[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[00:02] <Nevada_> They are thinking it's 3am in Berlin
[00:16] <Nevada_> Gotta love Linux
[00:18] <MrChrisDruif> Well it's 1.18 in Berlin afaik
[00:19] <MrChrisDruif> Nevada_: Was that including daylight-saving time?
[00:21] <Nevada_> it's one hour off any way
[00:21] <Nevada_> now it's time for my touchpad to stop working
[00:22] <Nevada_> I don't get it- something is just wrong.
[00:27] <maryslb> I installed Ubuntu on a HP notebook (new) along with Windows 7.  I cannot change anything or add programs when it asks for authorization.   It just greys out.  I also cannot hook up to wireless.  I have tried all the things I find on-line to do, but cannot add the ndisgtk program (reason earlier) cannot find the .inf program.  I am so frustrated.  Ready to uninstall, but cannot figure out how.
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: Uninstall Ubuntu?
[00:28] <maryslb> Remove from hard drive
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: http://www.lukeaddison.com/removing-linux-grub-restoring-windows-7-boot-gui/
[00:33] <maryslb> thank you.  If that works, would I be able to re-install with a different version?  I do like Ubuntu.  Have it on this computer.
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: It should work, and re-install ubuntu? That you can do without the previous link
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> Just install if over the current installation
[00:35] <maryslb> How?  I tried it with a back-up disk (used on this desktop) and nothing happened.  that would be my first option.
[00:36] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: What do you try to re-install? Ubuntu or Windows? (It's pretty late where I am)
[00:37] <maryslb> Ubuntu.  :-)
[00:37] <maryslb> If I can get the ubuntu to work properly, I will get rid of Windows.
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, great :)
[00:39] <MrChrisDruif> Back-up disk? I'm not sure what you mean by that, but you can boot the liveCD and install it. Make sure it boots from the CD and not you HDD
[00:41] <maryslb> I'll try some things.  I think I know what you are talking about, but I tried to get it to boot from a download of the netbook on a usb drive, and it wouldn't do that.
[00:42] <maryslb> The back up disk is the downloaded program copied to cd.
[00:42] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, USB. With what did you make that bootable USB? Is your system capable of booting from USB?
[00:44] <maryslb> Good question.  Since it's brand new, it should.  I changed the boot sequence (or tied) to boot the usb first.  It flashed and carried on, but the old ubuntu opened.
[00:44] <maryslb> I made it by downloading the netbook program from ubuntu.com
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> You've installed Ubuntu with that same USB?
[00:46] <maryslb> No.  I originally simply downloaded Ubuntu to this (desktop).    Trashed that windows.  With the new laptop, I tried to download with windows.  Now I can't get the wireless to work.
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: What timezone are you?
[00:47] <maryslb> I created the usb by downloading to the desktop - copy to usb.
[00:47] <maryslb> Arizona
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> So you downloaded the iso and just copied it to the usb?
[00:48] <maryslb> yes
[00:48] <MrChrisDruif> There should be a few with more compatible timezones be online...I wonder why they're not responding :P
[00:48] <MrChrisDruif> Anyways....
[00:48] <MrChrisDruif> When you just copy the ISO to your USB, it won't work
[00:48] <maryslb> Thanks anyway.  Maybe someone else will help.
[00:49] <maryslb> I was following the ubuntu instructions for doing so.
[00:50] <MrChrisDruif> On what system is the ISO downloaded/available?
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> It doesn't really matter, you need to do step 2 from this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> And select the system your creating your bootable USB from
[00:51] <maryslb> I did each of those steps.
[00:52] <maryslb> I know it's late where you are.  I will try some things and ask again if I can't get this working.  Thanks for your help.
[00:52] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm...then it should be good. Could you test it on another system? See if it boots from it?
[00:53] <maryslb> I'll try that too.  Have family matters to attend to.  Thanks again.
[00:53] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I hope to see you around maryslb :) Take care :)
[01:27] <kristian-aalborg> would anyone know if the "wifi woes" of 10.4 can be fixed with a sudo do-release-upgrade?
[01:32] <Nevada_> speaking about sudo... what's this? I've got an instruction here which tells me to "type the following: sudo vi /lib/udev/rules.d/etcetc..." how do I do that?
[01:35] <kristian-aalborg> Nevada_: it means you should edit the file /lib/udev/blabla
[01:35] <kristian-aalborg> I'd suggest you replace the "vi" with "nano" as it's easier
[01:36] <Nevada_> I still haven't figured out how to access such files. "Files&Folders" just show me my music, my documents etc
[01:43] <kristian-aalborg> you need to open a terminal
[01:45] <Nevada_> thanks, I've got it. I'm helpless as shit, spoiled by windows
[01:45] <kevin6888296> kristian-aalborg: i've never used "do-release-upgrade", but assuming it upgrades to the next release (in this case, 10.10), then it may fix it if the problem has been fixed in 10.10
[01:45] <kevin6888296> Nevada_: no you're not, what kind of talk is that
[01:46] <Nevada_> it's the way I feel
[01:46] <kristian-aalborg> Nevada_: we've all been there... I found linux so much more user friendly than Win these days
[01:47] <kristian-aalborg> I hope you'll grow to like it
[01:48] <Nevada_> I already do, that's why I decided to use it instead of windows the first place
[01:48] <kevin6888296> hmmmm, the way you feel
[01:48]  * kevin6888296 ponders
[01:49] <kevin6888296> that is a challenging problem :P
[01:49]  * kevin6888296 gives Nevada_ the stone of shame
[01:49] <kevin6888296> just wear that, and then we'll give you the stone of triumph later
[01:49] <kevin6888296> :D
[01:50] <Nevada_> thank you so much
[01:51] <Nevada_> thanks to the stone of shame, I'm able to ask a few more newby questions
[01:51] <Nevada_> so how do I save .. this terminal I opened
[01:52] <kevin6888296> i don't know what you mean by save Nevada_
[01:52] <kevin6888296> i don't think i've ever saved a terminal
[01:52] <kevin6888296> gnome-terminal i think is the binary file, so the terminal should be saved
[01:52] <Nevada_> then this must be a relict of windows. I already noticed that I don't have to apply changes
[01:52] <Nevada_> to anything
[01:53] <kevin6888296> perhaps it's a text file you have open
[01:53]  * kevin6888296 dons the stone of shame
[01:53] <kevin6888296> what is "relict"?
[01:53] <Nevada_> an ancient mindset of mine
[01:54] <kevin6888296> coooooool
[01:54] <kevin6888296> ancientness
[01:54] <kevin6888296> well, considering bug #1...
[01:55] <kevin6888296> you may be on to something
[01:55] <Nevada_> I'm on to what?
[02:01] <Nevada_> ah, in case you didn't notice, english is not my native language ^^"
[02:01] <kevin6888296> that ubuntu is a "relict" of windows, Nevada_
[02:03] <kevin6888296> or at least, attempting to be...except, it's open source
[02:03] <kevin6888296> perhaps when it becomes open source, windows will releases its code
[02:03] <kevin6888296> what is your native language Nevada_ ?
[02:04] <kevin6888296> i think mine is Intention
[02:04] <Nevada_> it's german
[02:05] <kevin6888296> coooool
[02:06] <Nevada_> depending
[02:07] <kevin6888296> i don't know many german words at all.  just "guten tag, bitte, and dumcoff"
[02:07] <kevin6888296> i think i'm spelling that last one wrong
[02:07] <Nevada_> Dummkopf
[02:07] <kevin6888296> oh and "mein kampf"
[02:08] <kevin6888296> haha, the irony of not being able to spell "stupid"
[02:08] <Nevada_> *g*
[02:08] <Nevada_> interesting to see how non-german speakers would spell it
[02:14] <Nevada_> I already like the terminal
[02:16] <geirha> Bier, bitte. That's the most important german words.
[02:16] <Nevada_> hehe true
[02:18] <kevin6888296> i think Schmerz Frieden are the two most important german words
[02:19] <kevin6888296> huh
[02:20] <Nevada_> why Schmerz?
[02:21] <kevin6888296> i'm not sure if that's the right word for "pain"
[02:22] <kevin6888296> pain is the greatest problem affecting sentience
[02:23] <Nevada_> yes, Schmerz is pain
[02:24] <Nevada_> interesting :)
[02:26] <Nevada_> okay! I got screen brightness and volume working now
[02:28] <kevin6888296> whoa, what'd you do Nevada_ ?
[02:29] <Nevada_> I followed a few instructions for Samsung N145 Netbook
[02:30] <kevin6888296> sweet
[02:30] <Nevada_> yes, indeed
[02:31]  * kevin6888296 gives Nevada_ the stone of triumph
[02:32] <Nevada_> basically I just need a browser and an advanced text editor. May I uninstall other pre-installed programs "provided by Ubuntu"?
[02:32] <Nevada_> Thank you :) *now proud*
[02:37] <kevin6888296> you can try Nevada_
[02:39] <Nevada_> Well, I'll do that anyway
[02:58] <Nevada_> How to keep the applications window open after opening an application?
[02:59] <kevin6888296> don't close it Nevada_ ?
[02:59] <Nevada_> it's disappearing by itself and I have to reopen it
[03:00] <kevin6888296> run the program from a terminal Nevada_
[03:00] <kevin6888296> then watch what it say in the terminal, might find a clue
[03:00]  * kevin6888296 puts the "detective hat" on Nevada_ 
[03:01] <Nevada_> uff... it's not worth that. Then I'll just leave it
[03:07] <gunndawg> hey guys I bought a USB KVM switch so that I can use the same keyboard and mouse for both my desktop computer and my ubuntu laptop
[03:08] <gunndawg> but when I siwtch it to my laptop then ubuntu takes my primary desktop monitor and acts as a 2nd monitor
[03:08] <gunndawg> so my laptop still shows the regular workspace/desktop and on my primary monitor its just a blank workspace
[03:16] <kevin6888296> hey gunndawg how's it going?
[03:18] <Nevada_> thank you kevin6888296 for your assistance. I'm going to keep the stone of triumph and the detective hat
[03:18] <kevin6888296> i guess...not so good under the circumstances
[03:18] <kevin6888296> Nevada_: coooool
[03:18] <kevin6888296> it makes me wonder what color the detective hat is...i guess beige or brown or some such
[03:19] <Nevada_> I imagine the same color
[03:19] <kevin6888296> ^5
[03:21] <Nevada_> goodbye
[03:53] <dfrybarger> i'm having problem with a printer that was installed and working but just stopped working today
[03:55] <kevin6888296> i've had trouble with printers before, i had to tinker with the buttons on the face of the printer
[03:56] <kevin6888296> i think it was a canon
[04:01] <dfrybarger> i'm looking for help with a printer
[04:03] <dfrybarger> it was working fine but stopped working today
[04:29] <ray_> >	I need help, hard drives both have bad sectors, I just read somewhere to do badblocks then fsck, I remember doing one or both of these before on another hard drive but I have never understood how to do this properly
[04:29] <ray_> >	What commands in what order should I do them from a live cd?, How can I have that put into a log or something to know what sectors to mark as bad?, etc?
[04:30] <kevin6888296> to run it's in the form: fsck /dev/sdb1
[04:30] <kevin6888296> not sure about logging ray_ , it may log somewhere in /var/log
[04:33] <ray_> Like I said, I read somewhere to run badblocks first, but I didn't say that that person also said because fsck will just cause problems for a failing hard drive, then he said to run fsck
[04:33] <ray_> I have 2 screen shots I am going to paste
[04:34] <kevin6888296> checking out the badblocks man page ray_
[04:34] <ray_> http://imagebin.org/147421
[04:34] <ray_> http://imagebin.org/147422
[04:34] <ray_> I will as well
[04:36] <ray_> Wait
[04:36] <ray_> I forgot to mention
[04:37] <ray_> It's in the second picture I posted
[04:37] <kevin6888296> it looks like sudo badblocks /dev/sd**
[04:37] <kevin6888296> hmmm, i have my own problem
[04:37] <ray_> right, I need to figure out what the device name is when I do this
[04:38] <kevin6888296> my browser is set to firefox for some reason
[04:38] <kevin6888296> are you employed ray_ ?
[04:38] <ray_> no
[04:38] <kevin6888296> you can do ls /dev/sd*
[04:38] <kevin6888296> to get a list of them
[04:38] <ray_> You need help setting Ubuntu to open a different browser?
[04:39] <kevin6888296> i dunno, i may need security help
[04:39] <ray_> I got a question I have always wondered regarding what you just said
[04:39] <kevin6888296> nah, just forgot what i did, which creeps me out
[04:39] <ray_> Does the device name change?
[04:39] <kevin6888296> your hdd?
[04:40] <kevin6888296> they have never changed on me
[04:40] <ray_> Like for instance, if I put a hard drive as master then change it to another hard drive, might they have the same name?
[04:41] <ray_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/591971/
[04:41] <kevin6888296> i'm not entirely sure.  i only have one hdd
[04:42] <ray_> That's what guis for this are great for
[04:42] <ray_> I will look
[04:43] <kevin6888296> ray_: this may help http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3158/hard-drive-device-partition-naming-convention-in-linux
[04:43] <ray_> currently I have /dev/sda mounted as the hard drive I am un
[04:44] <kevin6888296> yeah, so try sudo badblocks /dev/sda , but i think you may have to specify partitions
[04:44] <ray_> I put this info on a flash drive
[04:44] <kevin6888296> like /dev/sda1 etc.
[04:44] <kevin6888296> which info?
[04:44] <ray_> Any
[04:44] <ray_> info
[04:45]  * kevin6888296 wanders off
[04:45] <ray_> Alright, looking at Disk Utility and what you said maks sense
[04:46] <ray_> sory for being slow
[04:46] <ray_> OK, I got a question
[04:48] <kevin6888296> they came from...behind
[04:48] <ray_> Isn't there a way to quicken badblocks so that it reads a piece so many blocks away from each other so it doesn't take so long to pin point a bad blocks?, Why does it have to go through every block?
[04:49] <ray_> I am not sure if I put that in words that make sense from what I am trying to say
[04:49] <kevin6888296> you mean, you know where the badblock is?
[04:49] <kevin6888296> and what to tell badblocks where it is?
[04:49] <ray_> No
[04:49] <kevin6888296> *want
[04:49] <ray_> what I mean is
[04:49] <kevin6888296> in other words (iow)
[04:50] <ray_> I will reword it better
[04:50] <ray_> I don't know what iow is though
[04:51] <kevin6888296> well, if it's possible to make it go faster, i don't know how to do it
[04:51] <kevin6888296> perhaps it's in the man page
[04:51] <kevin6888296> what's the hurry though?
[04:51] <ray_> istead of going through every block, having it instead look at a bit out of every block or something like that
[04:51] <kevin6888296> just run it, and go do something else
[04:51] <kevin6888296> i think your question is beyond my knowledge, sorry
[04:52] <ray_> I remember this taking forever, I mean what it would have taken months at the pace Iit was going
[04:52] <kevin6888296> i've never run badblocks
[04:52] <kevin6888296> fsck seems to do the trick
[04:52] <kevin6888296> well, the time i did run it the hdd was beat
[04:52] <ray_> in fact with my other hard drive I never finished and gave up
[04:52] <kevin6888296> it was dropped
[04:53] <kevin6888296> and fsck?
[04:53] <ray_> I mean a long time ago
[04:53] <ray_> I don't know
[04:53] <ray_> I think I had tried doing both of them
[04:53] <ray_> It says in the pic I posted
[04:53] <ray_> 31 bad blocks
[04:54] <ray_> so it should already know where it is, wouldn't you think?
[04:54] <ray_> I meant sectors
[04:54] <ray_> sorry
[04:55] <kevin6888296> ohhhh, interesting analysis
[04:55] <ray_> 31 bad sectors
[04:55] <kevin6888296> very exciting
[04:55] <ray_> lol, I am not sure how I might deal with this
[04:55] <kevin6888296> but, i don't know, that would only be if fsck could check a previous run, and only check new blocks or something
[04:55] <kevin6888296> but, really, you're interested in fixing the hdd, right?
[04:56] <ray_> I need the right person, thank you for the help
[04:56] <kevin6888296> may the source be with you ray_
[04:56] <ray_> lol, may the source be with you as well
[04:57] <ray_> I am going to make notes
[04:59] <ray_> Hmm, I should try transfering a text file that
[04:59] <ray_> iI have previously made
[04:59] <ray_> and already transfered by the way
[04:59] <kevin6888296> that's a good idea, let me get my notebook
[05:00] <ray_> I mean before
[05:00] <kevin6888296> *drawing book
[05:01] <kevin6888296> drawing|note|book
[05:01] <kevin6888296> hmmm i think i'd rather have an ibook than an ipad
[05:02] <ray_> OK, I tried transfering files to and from both hard drive without and trouble, so it is troubled spots on the hard drive
[05:03] <ray_> The good thing is I already a backup of the files I was trying to transfer
[05:04] <ray_> I made note of the command you gave me and modified it to the device name
[05:04] <ray_> now I should study man badblocks
[05:04] <ray_> and fsck as well of coarse
[05:06] <ray_> I also put the link in the text file on my flash drive and I am reading that now
[05:07] <kevin6888296> oh, i see, backing up because your hdd are failing
[05:07] <kevin6888296> how old are the drives ray_ ?
[05:07] <ray_> It's all my fault
[05:07] <ray_> I was transfering files for too long
[05:07] <ray_> and it made the reading and writing part of the hard drive get messed up
[05:08] <kevin6888296> you worked them to failure?
[05:08] <ray_> more then a few months
[05:08] <ray_> yep
[05:08] <kevin6888296> that's extreme
[05:08] <kevin6888296> how'd you do it?
[05:08] <ray_> ha ha ha ha
[05:08] <ray_> ya
[05:09] <ray_> I need to go through all the files I have and start deleting
[05:09] <ray_> It's hard to decide
[05:09] <ray_> anyways
[05:10] <ray_> In that link it says:
[05:11] <ray_> oops
[05:11] <ray_> "/home is on /dev/sda2"
[05:13] <ray_> I think I these commands right though
[05:13] <ray_> "sudo badblocks /dev/sda1" and "sudo badblocks /dev/sdb1", unless of coarse these commands need options added
[05:14] <ray_> I will be reading man
[05:15] <ray_> Ah, see:
[05:16] <ray_>  Important  note:  If  the output of badblocks is going to be fed to the        e2fsck or mke2fs programs
[05:16] <ray_> it  is  strongly recommended that users not run badblocks directly, but        rather use the -c option of the e2fsck and mke2fs programs.
[05:20] <ray_> "note, don't use the -f option of badblocks unless the /etc/mtab file is incorrect"
[05:22] <ray_> Blocks aren't the same as sectors, right?
[05:25] <ray_> "OK, there is the -0 option" which Writes the list of bad blocks to  the  specified  file
[05:56] <kevin6888296> i'm pretty sure blocks aren't sectors...i think blocks are made up of sectors
[05:56] <ray_> OK, thank you for the info
[05:57] <kevin6888296> hmmm, looks like running badblocks is a bad idea
[05:57] <kevin6888296> i should've guessed that
[05:58] <ray_> OK
[05:59] <kevin6888296> i read the man page, but didn't catch that detail
[05:59] <ray_> Knowing what to do is hard to decide, there are live cds made to do this kind of thing I would guess then there are at least 4 programs mentioned so far
[06:00] <ray_> fsck, badblocks, and the 2 other mentioned on the manpage of badblocks
[06:02] <ray_> I think my head may explode, I am thinking of getting hard drives again and being more careful
[06:02] <ray_> OK, so I have a different question then
[06:05] <ray_> If I transfer a large file is there a way to make it transfer slower so it doesn't hurt my hard drives?, Or is it better to transfer that large file quicker?, Or rather what precautions should one take to transfer large files?, Like for instance how much info shouldn't someone transfer at any given day?
[06:06] <ray_> I meant within a certain amount of time for each day and so on
[06:06] <ray_> I know, I know, cut down how much info I have first
[06:07] <kevin6888296> i think you're questions are beyond beginner ray_
[06:08] <kevin6888296> i do find it intriguing
[06:08] <ray_> It's just like a beginner like me to ask too many questions, though I have been using Ubuntu for a couple of years
[06:08] <kevin6888296> perhaps we should take this to your LoCo
[06:09] <ray_> LoCo?
[06:09] <ray_> O
[06:09] <ray_> Local community
[06:09] <kevin6888296> ubuntu user group
[06:09] <kevin6888296> local team
[06:10] <ray_> I know where to find them
[06:10] <ray_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[06:10] <kevin6888296> i would have used http://loco.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <kevin6888296> but, yeah, that might work
[06:11] <kevin6888296> or #ubuntu-us ray_
[06:12] <ray_> checking
[07:15] <kevin6888296> i'm wondering if #ubuntu-beginners shouldn't be the default channel for support o_o
[07:35] <ray_> I'd say we need more supoort channels to be able to use for the people working together not to get in the way of other people working on another problem sometimes
[07:37] <kevin6888296> yeah, that's true ray_
[07:38] <ray_> ubuntu1, ubuntu2, ubuntu3
[07:38] <ray_> I will be back
[07:39] <ray_> I need to get on a live cd
[07:39] <ray_> thank you, fsck FTW I hope anyways
[07:39] <kevin6888296> i dunno about that, there should be triaging done up front
[07:39] <kevin6888296> that's how it work usually
[07:39] <kevin6888296> yeah, good luck
[07:39] <kevin6888296> may the source be with you
[07:39] <ray_> uh, triaging?
[07:40] <kevin6888296> yeah...triaging questions to proper channels of specialization
[07:40] <kevin6888296> but really, no foo for the unemployed
[07:40] <kevin6888296> this sounds like work to me
[07:40] <kevin6888296> blah to that
[07:42] <ray_> OK, I think I get it, ty for the help, sorry for the trouble, I know you just helped me out
[07:42] <kevin6888296> nah man
[07:42] <kevin6888296> i didn't do anything
[07:42] <kevin6888296> we were just chillin
[07:43] <ray_> I never thought to look up what Disk Utility maybe, also you did help because you told me what to use for options
[07:43] <ray_> God speed, and my the source and force be with you good friend
[07:45] <ray_> Alright although I will be back, I may not see you here later, so until next time, also I may be able to get back on here while using fsck but do what you want
[07:45] <ray_> bye
[07:47] <ray_> aha
[07:47] <ray_> I just looked in home
[07:47] <ray_> go look in home
[07:49] <ray_> "'/home/ray/gnome-disk-utility-2.30.1/doc/gnome-disk-utility-docs.xml'"
[07:49] <ray_> change username
[07:50] <ray_> oops
[07:50] <ray_> well there are docs in home
[07:51] <kevin6888296> yeah, that's where you downloaded the source i bet
[07:51] <ray_> yep
[07:51] <ray_> well, what ever
[07:52] <ray_> It's there to look at for fun for now I guess
[07:52] <kevin6888296> yeah, if you're into it
[07:52] <kevin6888296> i already looked couldn't find anything
[07:52] <kevin6888296> even asked in #gnome
[07:52] <kevin6888296> but, yeah fsck
[07:53] <ray_> I agree
[07:53] <kevin6888296> if it works, thank theordore t'so
[07:54] <ray_> Do you drag programs into the terminal to see how to open them in the terminal?
[07:54] <kevin6888296> no, haven't done that since i used window
[07:54] <kevin6888296> sssssssssssssssssss
[07:54] <ray_> I once opened Disk Usage Analyzer to find it is baobab which is a kind of African tree
[07:55] <kevin6888296> funky
[07:55] <kevin6888296> boa bab
[07:55] <kevin6888296> bow bab
[07:55] <kevin6888296> hmmm bab
[07:55] <ray_> Anyways, I will be back
[07:55] <ray_> he he, ya
[07:55] <kevin6888296> language
[07:55] <kevin6888296> going to bed dude, later
[07:56] <ray_> Wait
[07:56] <ray_> ha ha, I thought Ubuntu was pronounced You-bun-tu, but it is oo-boon-too
[07:57] <ray_> that all, sweet dreams
[07:57] <ray_> that's all folks
[07:57] <ray_> thank you
[07:57] <ray_> this is going to take a long time
[07:57] <kevin6888296> knight
[07:57] <ray_> This hard drive is 300 gb
[07:57] <ray_> how long do you thing with half a gb of ram
[07:58] <ray_> I can ask else where, ty, good night
[07:58] <ray_> knight, love it
[07:58] <ray_> dream of large women, lol, the princess bride
[07:59] <ray_> o/ atter lay
[07:59] <ray_> oct toon, oct toon
[07:59] <ray_> he he he he
[08:00] <bioterror> what
[08:00] <ray_> "O\"
[08:00] <ray_> I was just joking
[08:00] <ray_> Fake German
[08:02] <ray_> take care Lennie master
[08:02] <ray_> bye
[08:21] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/592025/
[08:27] <r4y> I thought the live cd of Ubuntu had fsck on it, am I wrong?
[08:27] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/592027/
[09:32] <r4y> I tried this command before but nothing happened I guess: http://paste.ubuntu.com/592025/
[09:32] <r4y> oops wrong channel
[10:47] <Nevada_> good morning
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Nevada_
[10:48] <Nevada_> it's me again
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> I see :P
[10:49] <Nevada_> I'm about to manually install a certain program and keep on wondering which directory I should choose best, to keep my computer tidy
[10:50] <MrChrisDruif> Manually insert a program?
[10:51] <Nevada_> by using a terminal
[10:55] <Nevada_> the program asks me where I would like to install. isn't there something like a "programs" folder?
[10:57] <MrChrisDruif> What kind of program is it?
[10:59] <Nevada_> It's called ELAN, I have to use it for work
[11:00] <MrChrisDruif> Never heard of it, but apparently you install "user" programs in /usr, but I'm not sure
[11:03] <Nevada_> I just don't want to have a mess afterwards :(
[11:04] <MrChrisDruif> That's what I've read, that user programs are installed in the /usr mount
[11:06] <Nevada_> An error pops up which says I don't have permission to install to usr
[11:07] <bobo123> hi
[11:07] <Nevada_> installing to home/myname/programs now
[11:09] <bobo123> if I want to mount a copy of a partition, where I have copied the whole disk to a file, and not just the partition - is that possible?
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> Nevada_: And sudo install?
[11:11] <Nevada_> I don't know? I think it's alright now
[11:11] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[16:06] <nctarheel> hello everyone. last night RedSingularity was helping me with a netowkr problem last night. I followed a guide to install the compat wireless drives now i have no wireless to chose from in the standard network manager. I also do not have it in ifconfig.
[16:06] <nctarheel> where do i go from here?
[16:07] <nctarheel> you can read our conversation on the ubuntu forums. my name there is nctarheel704
[16:07]  * holstein looking
[17:00] <head_victim> I've never used it but when you install a PPA using the software centre where does it put the source file? I'm trying to help someoen but it's not showing up the in sources.list where I'd expect it
[17:01] <holstein> head_victim: odd
[17:01] <holstein> thats what i would have expected
[17:01] <head_victim> holstein: so it's meant to put them there?
[17:02] <head_victim> I've only ever used nano to adjust my repositories :/
[17:02] <holstein> well, thats just an assumption
[17:02] <holstein> head_victim: are you sure its adding the repos?
[17:02] <head_victim> No idea, this user isn't exactly sure of much
[17:02] <head_victim> Trying to install the latest vlc and meeting dependency errors on lucid.
[17:02] <holstein> :/
[17:03] <holstein> head_victim: maybe you can just give them the sudo apt-add-repository line
[17:03] <head_victim> Well they've somehow broken it all apparenlty but I can't see anything at all but the default stuff in the sources.list
[17:03] <head_victim> It's the sort of person you just want ssh to find out what they've really done.
[17:03] <holstein> yeah
[17:04] <holstein> maybe stopping a big update mid-stream too
[17:04] <head_victim> holstein: anything is posisble.
[17:04] <holstein> good luck
[17:05] <Bipul`> hi i have problem in my ubuntu10.10 when i started my ub ubuntu i am inside  command prompt that is initramfs idk how to Access graphical mode
[17:06] <holstein> Bipul`: is this after an update?
[17:06] <holstein> can you see if you have older kernels listed
[17:06] <holstein> and try booting in using one of those
[17:07] <Bipul`> sory i dont get you
[17:07] <holstein> Bipul`: what im assuiming is
[17:07] <holstein> you did a system upgrade
[17:07] <holstein> and got a new kernel
[17:08] <holstein> and you can try booting an older one
[17:08] <holstein> if you get to the desktop
[17:08] <Bipul`> so how shud i know which one is new one
[17:08] <holstein> then we know something
[17:08] <holstein> Bipul`: while the machine is booting
[17:08] <holstein> you should be able to hit the shift key
[17:09] <holstein> the kernels should be in order
[17:09] <holstein> and they will be #'d
[17:09] <holstein> just arrow down with the keyboard
[17:09] <holstein> and try the next one in line
[17:09] <holstein> this doesnt change anything permanently
[17:11] <head_victim> holstein: apparently it stores them in a different location by design, just FYI
[17:11] <holstein> head_victim: odd
[17:11] <holstein> where?
[17:11] <holstein> thats so... buntu ;)
[17:11] <head_victim> Supposedly just under /etc
[17:11] <head_victim> ?
[17:11] <Bipul`> ok i have linux 2.6.35-28-generic then next Linux 2.6.35-28-generic (recovery mode)/ again same name with 27/25/24/23
[17:12] <holstein> head_victim: to have an alternate sources store
[17:12] <head_victim> holstein: yeah just trying to figure out if it's really under /etc or now
[17:12] <head_victim> not*
[17:12] <holstein> one of those fiddly buntu things that i'll have to remember :)
[17:12] <holstein> Bipul`: those are the sam
[17:12] <holstein> e
[17:13] <holstein> you see (recovery mode)
[17:13] <holstein> we are not using those right now
[17:13] <Bipul`> yes
[17:13] <holstein> you want to try maybe 2.6.25-27-generic
[17:13] <holstein> you'll see they are in pairs
[17:13] <holstein> with a recovery mode per kernel
[17:13] <holstein> we can try that next
[17:13] <holstein> but for now
[17:13] <Bipul`> i yea
[17:14] <holstein> just try the older kernel
[17:14] <Bipul`> yea it is in pair
[17:14] <holstein> that used to work for you
[17:16] <Bipul`> nops
[17:16] <Bipul`> same command prompt
[17:16] <holstein> Bipul`: just to be sure
[17:16] <holstein> since you are there
[17:16] <holstein> try again
[17:16] <holstein> using the oldest kernel
[17:16] <holstein> then we can try something else
[17:17] <Bipul`> i have try every kernel but i got the same result
[17:17] <holstein> Bipul`: OK
[17:17] <holstein> if i were you
[17:18] <holstein> i would go ahead and try updating
[17:18] <holstein> that cant really hurt any worse
[17:18] <Bipul`> Linux 2.6.35-22-generic
[17:18] <Bipul`> is the oldest i think
[17:18] <Bipul`> Linux 2.6.35-28-generic is the new i think
[17:18] <holstein> right
[17:19] <holstein> i think its safe to say that the kernel update is not the issue
[17:19] <holstein> like i was postulating
[17:19] <holstein> SO
[17:19] <holstein> i would try upgrading if you can
[17:19] <holstein> from that prompt
[17:19] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[17:19] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:19] <Bipul`> sudo apt-get update this one
[17:19] <holstein> and let all that happen
[17:19] <holstein> and reboot and check again
[17:20] <holstein> then we can talk about going through a recovery prompt
[17:20] <holstein> if that doesnt work
[17:20] <Bipul`> well when i boot it i just go inside initramfs mode
[17:21] <Bipul`> wher i cant use this command sudo apt-get update it says /bin/sh:sudo:not found
[17:21] <holstein> Bipul`: can you control+alt+F1 ?
[17:21] <holstein> or F2
[17:22] <holstein> anything like that get you a promt?
[17:22] <holstein> prompt*
[17:22] <head_victim> holstein: again just FYI http://paste.ubuntu.com/592212/ different file for each ppa
[17:22] <holstein> how odd...
[17:23] <Bipul`> nops
[17:23] <Bipul`> not working
[17:23] <head_victim> holstein: all new to me to :/
[17:24] <holstein> Bipul`: well, i would try a couple things
[17:24] <Bipul`> whT Is initramfs?
[17:24] <holstein> i would get some kind of diagnostic CD
[17:24] <holstein> and maybe test a few normal components
[17:24] <holstein> hardware*
[17:24] <holstein> like memory and hard drive
[17:24] <holstein> maybe try the recovery console first
[17:25] <holstein> http://www.proposedsolution.com/solutions/ubuntu-booting-to-initramfs-prompt/
[17:25] <holstein> ^ yeah, that link seems to be proposing a file system error
[18:52] <Bipul`> just help me
[18:52] <holstein> Bipul`: you got X ?
[18:52] <Bipul`> i cant able to reinstall my ubuntu
[18:52] <holstein> did you run fdisk?
[18:52] <holstein> Bipul`: i was going to say
[18:53] <holstein> if you are having filesystem errors
[18:53] <holstein> maybe the hard drive is failing
[18:53] <holstein> if you are doing what i think you are doing
[18:53] <holstein> which is a combination of freaking out, and cussing
[18:53] <holstein> then, i would try and test it a bit
[18:53] <Bipul`> i have file a bug also
[18:53] <holstein> Bipul`: a bug?
[18:54] <holstein> you might have a failing hard drive
[18:54] <Bipul`> yes check on Bipul wiki contains on launchpad
[18:55] <Bipul`> holstein: tell me buddy what to do now
[18:55] <holstein> i use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[18:55] <holstein> there are some vendor tools on there
[18:55] <holstein> and other ways to test hard drives
[18:55] <holstein> i would test the hard drive if i were you
[18:56] <Bipul`> well right now i AM on my laptop
[18:56] <Bipul`> and problem is with my desktop
[18:57] <Bipul`> whear my ubuntu having some issue
[18:57] <Bipul`> even now i cant able to install any OS
[18:57] <Bipul`> i have try Backtraack but it is not responding
[18:57] <Bipul`> even ubuntu10.10
[18:59] <holstein> right
[19:00] <holstein> that would be the behavior i would expect from a failing hard drive
[19:00] <holstein> the intraramfs error as well
[19:00] <Bipul`> YOU MEAN MY HARD DRIVE is courpted
[19:01] <holstein> well, corrupted implies that it can be repaired
[19:01] <holstein> im suggesting its worse
[19:01] <holstein> but, i really dont know for sure
[19:01] <holstein> you have to test it
[19:01] <Bipul`> so how to check
[19:01] <Bipul`> you knoq
[19:01] <Bipul`> know some way
[19:01] <holstein> well, i usually use that cd
[19:01] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[19:02] <holstein> there are nice vendor specific tools on it
[19:02] <holstein> but, theres a tool in the ubuntu live CD's too
[19:02] <Bipul`> what is the name i can able to run ubuntu via live cd
[19:03] <holstein> system - administraion - disk utility
[19:04] <MK`> I am getting constant error messages every few seconds: "intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP power or thermal limit exceeded." Yet my power and temperature are fine. What is this?
[19:05] <holstein> MK`: is this new?
[19:05] <holstein> or did it just start happening?
[19:05] <holstein> is this after an update
[19:05] <holstein> ?
[19:05] <holstein> fresh install?
[19:05] <holstein> 10.10?
[19:06] <MK`> No it's been doing it since I installed. 10.10
[19:06] <MK`> They come exactly every 5 seconds, logged in /var/log/syslog
[19:06] <coz_> MK`,  desktop?
[19:06] <MK`> laptop
[19:07] <holstein> MK`: if you havent updated
[19:07] <holstein> i would try that
[19:07] <coz_> MK`,  did you once have another distribution or version ofubuntu installed
[19:07] <holstein> just incase a fix has come in
[19:07] <MK`> No, brand new, and I update regularly
[19:08] <coz_> MK`,   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:08] <MK`> I know there's no temp problem because it isn't hot and my fan doesn't even spin up
[19:09] <Bipul`> it says file system is not clean
[19:09] <coz_> ?
[19:09] <MK`> coz_: ok, I ran that, it's all updated
[19:09] <holstein> Bipul`: right, i would try that fdisk like that link i posted suggested
[19:09] <coz_> MK`,   mm   ok back up ,, this is a new system ...yes?
[19:10] <holstein> *before trying to reinstall
[19:10] <coz_> MK`, rather hardware
[19:10] <Bipul`> whear to type fdisk>
[19:10] <holstein> Bipul`: but, there should be a disk test in the tool?
[19:10] <Bipul`> in terminal
[19:10] <MK`> Yes. New laptop, had win7 installed, I installed ubuntu on it, 10.10
[19:10] <MK`> It's been working with no other issues
[19:10] <holstein> the test you need to run takes about an hour Bipul`
[19:10] <coz_> MK`,  ok,, and you downloded the live cd  ,, minimal cd..or alternate cd ?
[19:10] <MK`> LiveCD
[19:11] <coz_> MK`,  and did you check the md5sum before burning it and then check the cd for errors in grub menu after burning it at 1x
[19:11] <coz_> MK`,  did you run the live session?
[19:12] <MK`> I did not :( I ran it from the live session and installed it in there, yes
[19:12] <MK`> Hm. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/636045
[19:12] <MK`> It seems this is common
[19:12] <coz_> MK`,  ok couple things to be sure of when using an iso of an OS... always check the md5sums of th e.iso image by opening a terminal ,,,  md5sum nameof.iso and compare it with the ubuntu hashes for that version
[19:13] <MK`> ok
[19:13] <coz_> MK`,   second is to always , if possible ,, burn the iso image at 1x  no more
[19:13] <MK`> I thought you were supposed to burn it at the speed it says on the disk
[19:13] <coz_> MK`,  always 1x if possible
[19:14] <MK`> Ok
[19:14] <coz_> MK`,  the way sort of around this is to use the minimal install cd  which downloads the system from the internet and the cd itself is about 25megs
[19:15] <coz_> MK`,  I am reading throught that bug report
[19:15] <Bipul`> but i am able to use via live cd this shows my hard disk is ok
[19:15] <MK`> I'm running 2.6.35-28-generic
[19:15] <MK`> the kernel
[19:15] <holstein> Bipul`: the hour long smart test?
[19:16] <holstein> theres a long self test
[19:16] <holstein> for the disk
[19:16] <holstein> if the disk is passing that
[19:16] <Bipul`> i think i dont hVE  patence
[19:16] <holstein> Bipul`: you need that information
[19:16] <coz_> MK`,  there is a fix to silent that error on that but report
[19:16] <holstein> otherwise
[19:17] <holstein> you will waste time trying to install to a dying disk
[19:17] <holstein> or worse
[19:17] <holstein> get ubuntu reinstalled
[19:17] <holstein> use it for a week or so
[19:17] <holstein> and it breaks again
[19:17] <holstein> hard drives go bad
[19:17] <holstein> all of them will eventually
[19:18] <MK`> coz_: to update to the latest upstream kernel?
[19:20] <coz_> MK`,   no  just to silent the error.. someone also mentioned a bios setting  that worked
[19:21] <MK`> well I don't want to silence the error incase it becomes an accurate one. I think I will just wait for Natty
[19:21] <coz_> sorry ,, I have to break here,,, be back a bit later
[19:50] <kristian-aalborg> which fs to use for a hdd that's ten years old or so?
[19:55] <MK`> any bad sectors kristian-aalborg?
[21:24] <gatorade> How do you flsh the bios from ubuntu 10.10 on a msi netbook?
[21:25] <gatorade> I have this annoying thing where my screen keeps flashing
[21:25] <gatorade> and they say to update the bios.
[21:26] <gatorade> flash, I meant.
[21:30] <gatorade> hello?
[21:30] <gatorade> hejsan?
[21:30] <gatorade> hola?
[21:34] <Daniel0108> gatorade: I don't think it's possible to flash your bios on ubuntu, flashing your bios is dangerous, you could destroy your whole computer.
[21:34] <Daniel0108> gatorade: I'd install the additional drivers first ;)
[22:09] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: doesnt really matter the age
[22:09] <holstein> id use ext4
[22:09] <holstein> until btrfs gets more ready
[22:10] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[22:10] <holstein> if you have a newer solid state
[22:10] <holstein> thats when you might *not* want ext4
[22:10] <kristian-aalborg> I went with the suggested ext3
[22:10] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/ :)
[22:10] <holstein> yeah, ext-whatever
[22:10] <holstein> you'll be fine with that