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| slangasek | lucas_: so I know your relationship with ruby packaging runs hot and cold... :) do you have any interest in fixing bug #749099, or know someone who might? libcairo-ruby fails to build because it bypasses pkg-config and tries to parse .pc files directly | 01:30 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 749099 in libcairo-ruby (Ubuntu) "libcairo-ruby version 1.8.1-1build1 failed to build on i386" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749099 | 01:30 |
| infinity | slangasek: Ick. | 01:50 |
| slangasek | infinity: is that the sound of you volunteering to fix it? :) | 01:52 |
| infinity | slangasek: It's the sound of me vomiting a little at people who feel the need to re-invent pkg-config. | 01:53 |
| ScottK | If you're going to be around Ruby much, you'll be needed a large barf bag. | 01:54 |
| slangasek | infinity: I should share the list of all the things I've had to fix in build systems for multiarch :) | 01:54 |
| slangasek | php still wins, hands down | 01:54 |
| slangasek | but you probably could already have guessed that :) | 01:55 |
| ScottK | yeah. that was a given. | 01:55 |
| infinity | slangasek: With our history with it, I can't imagine it surprised you, at least | 01:55 |
| slangasek | no, but I realized I'd repressed just how bad its autoconf usage was | 01:55 |
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| infinity | Heh. | 01:55 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: It looks to me like something ate your dh-autoreconf backport https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-autoreconf/+publishinghistory | 01:59 |
| ScottK | re Bug #755661 | 01:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 755661 in lucid-backports "Please backport dh-autoreconf" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755661 | 01:59 |
| ScottK | (I don't see it in New either) | 01:59 |
| psusi | say, umm... don't we have an auto generated list of packages that ftbs? so why file bug reports on them as well? | 02:08 |
| slangasek | because a list of packages that ftbfs doesn't let you claim/assign the issues, triage them, or file them against different packages that are the ultimate source of the breakage | 02:09 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: no, I just forgot to flush it | 02:12 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: That's a relief. | 02:12 |
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| cjwatson | ScottK: apologies for the duplicate NEW mails, lag-induced errors | 02:16 |
| ScottK | No problem. Thanks for taking care of it. | 02:16 |
| cjwatson | accepted now | 02:17 |
| ScottK | Great. I'll take care of binary New once it hits. | 02:20 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 02:21 |
| psusi | I have always explicitly specified -r or -h, but if you don't specify, shutdown seems to drop to runlevel s. Is this normal? the man page does not say what happens if you don't use any switches | 03:43 |
| * psusi is getting the feeling this is normal and this bug report should be converted into a request to improve the man page | 03:43 | |
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| abhinav- | cjwatson: Hi, one more question. Is "man -K" available only on Ubuntu ? I tried it on Opensuse , it wasn't available , although opensuse is also using man-db. | 05:44 |
| ohsix | doesn't that just call apropos, or vice versa | 06:03 |
| abhinav- | man -k calls apropos, in Ubuntu man -K does a full text search over man pages :) | 06:03 |
| hyperair | ooh nice. i never kenw that. | 06:04 |
| ohsix | you can grep the debdiff on the package page to see if it's added as a patch; that'll literally answer your question, but i don't personally know | 06:04 |
| ohsix | i see --global-apropos on lots of online manual listings | 06:05 |
| abhinav- | what does --global-apropos do ? | 06:06 |
| hyperair | maybe they all use ubuntu ;-) | 06:07 |
| hyperair | abhinav-: it's the longname for -K | 06:07 |
| abhinav- | oh | 06:07 |
| hyperair | it's in man man | 06:07 |
| ohsix | hyperair: looks like it could be :D | 06:07 |
| hyperair | heheh | 06:07 |
| abhinav- | :) | 06:08 |
| ohsix | hyperair: quick look at man page i know is modified for ubuntu doesn't have those modifications though | 06:08 |
| hyperair | mm what about debian? | 06:08 |
| hyperair | debian has -K as well. | 06:08 |
| ohsix | debian is awesome; they could be getting the man pages from there as well | 06:09 |
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| lucas_ | slangasek: [libcairo-ruby] I'll take a look | 06:35 |
| SpamapS | hrm.. autofs is frustrating.. no way to inform it that it should retry all failed mounts | 06:35 |
| ohsix | SpamapS: what are you using it for? | 06:38 |
| SpamapS | personally, nothing | 06:38 |
| slangasek | lucas_: ok :) | 06:38 |
| SpamapS | but trying to pinpoint when to start it during the boot | 06:38 |
| ohsix | its a bit of a speciality for a desktop thing when there's udisks | 06:39 |
| SpamapS | ohsix: basically in a server with static interfaces, 'started networking' is the exact right place to start autofs. On machines w/ dhcp or transient network connections.. this results in an autofs that takes 60 seconds to notice that it can mount an NFS share that it couldn't before. :-P | 06:39 |
| ohsix | i see | 06:40 |
| SpamapS | The kernel caches negative mount attempts and provides no way to flush that cache. :-P | 06:41 |
| SpamapS | just times them out | 06:41 |
| ohsix | theres a fuse filesystem that can do the same, but run arbitrary commands too | 06:41 |
| SpamapS | well regardless of that.. the current start on is totally broken.. 'and mounting TYPE=nfs' .. not sure what zul was thinking there. :-P | 06:42 |
| ohsix | lots of stuff is broken/weird with nfs :D | 06:43 |
| SpamapS | well autofs has lots of uses w/o nfs. | 06:43 |
| ohsix | right | 06:43 |
| SpamapS | and mounting is only emitted by mountall.. so not sure how it relates to autofs | 06:43 |
| ohsix | just saying theres a lot of weirdness to accept with nfs; how autofs interacts with it is just another one | 06:44 |
| SpamapS | meh.. autofs doesn't care what its mounting really. | 06:45 |
| ohsix | well mounting nfs manually is weird too; so i don't see how it'd drop out of the equation | 06:50 |
| SpamapS | Yeah it just depends on how you want to use nfs | 06:55 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: thats an oxymoron, no ? | 06:55 |
| SpamapS | true.. nobody *wants* to use NFS | 06:59 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: so, are you convinced yet that Cassandra is t3h suck? Or do I need to put Solandra/Lucandra on my oneiric-alpha-1 todo? | 06:59 |
| StevenK__ | SpamapS: Bah, I use NFS here. | 07:01 |
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| Guest27069 | Services, bite my shiny metal ... | 07:02 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: I got good feedback from mdennis | 07:04 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I thought I forwarded his 'can I'd love to come to UDS' mail to you/ | 07:04 |
| lifeless | s/can/and/ | 07:04 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: You may have. I'm just watching each patch release totally destroy at least a few peoples' installs and thinking they really don't understand what a stable release is yet. | 07:05 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: ouch | 07:05 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: that part I have no experience with yet | 07:06 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: have you played with lp:oopsrespository ? | 07:06 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: thats what I need solandra for | 07:06 |
| lifeless | s/need/think it might be nicer than solr | 07:06 |
| SpamapS | 0.7.1 and 0.7.2 were particularly ugly.. 0.7.3 gives you the tools to clean up the mess of those releases.. but then 0.7.4 broke anybody who went from < 0.7.3 to 0.7.4 ... | 07:06 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: though, TBH, if its still got the insane xml file for config | 07:07 |
| SpamapS | I haven't looked at all | 07:07 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: thats a bit uncool | 07:07 |
| SpamapS | It does seem like the best option for a hyper-scalable text search engine. | 07:07 |
| SpamapS | I have to wonder if there is something similar for Hbase | 07:09 |
| SpamapS | hmm.. I'm trying to upload a new version of autofs5 but dput is erroring out with "550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied. | 07:30 |
| geser | SpamapS: you used the right gpg key (the one LP knows about)? | 07:32 |
| SpamapS | geser: indeed, F4BCB38E | 07:33 |
| SpamapS | have used it to upload before | 07:33 |
| SpamapS | wondering if my recent python problems might be the culprit | 07:33 |
| SpamapS | no.. something else.. dupload has the same problem | 07:35 |
| geser | if gpg --verify works on the .changes files, then I've no idea and try in #launchpad | 07:35 |
| geser | it's not dput generating the error message but the ftp server on LP | 07:35 |
| geser | alternatively you can also try to upload via sftp | 07:37 |
| SpamapS | yeah I was thinking maybe dput was mangling the file | 07:37 |
| SpamapS | hrm looks like it worked the first time despite the error | 07:42 |
| lifeless | so we check the signature during the ftp session now | 08:27 |
| lifeless | which is pretty cool | 08:27 |
| lifeless | Unless others are having the same issue | 08:27 |
| slangasek | unless you started checking within the past 2 hours, I'm not | 08:28 |
| lifeless | nope | 08:28 |
| lifeless | a week or so now | 08:28 |
| lifeless | we were hoping it would stop the mysterious 'I uploaded and no error and no email back' situation | 08:28 |
| lifeless | bigjools blogged aboot it | 08:28 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: actually, 1.4.2 was the first time there _was_ an ubuntu branch, it had been a local one until then.. I just should've checked the archive too before uploading | 09:29 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: oh, in that case yes, I blame you! ;) | 09:29 |
| tjaalton | darn :) | 09:29 |
| tjaalton | can't keep my mouth shut | 09:30 |
| slangasek | ;) | 09:30 |
| tjaalton | there's still xserver 1.10.1rc2 and mesa 7.10.2 the team would like to upload before the freeze, libx11 was just a warmup :) | 09:35 |
| cjwatson | abhinav-: it's not Ubuntu-specific; I implemented it in man-db upstream. openSUSE are probably just a few versions behind and need somebody to prod them to come up to date. | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | abhinav-: The other GPLed man implementation, which used to be in Fedora (though Fedora switched to man-db recently) actually had -K first, although the implementation wasn't as good so it was several times slower to run. | 09:56 |
| abhinav- | cjwatson: oh ok. thanks. I was googling to learn more about man-db. I suppose man-db handles internationalization properly as opposed to the old man implementation ? | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | yes | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | when distros have switched to it, I think that's been the main reason for them | 09:59 |
| abhinav- | cjwatson: yes, I saw mailing list discussions, all of them had trouble with internationalization | 10:00 |
| cjwatson | yes, firstly it still uses catgets so it has no way to handle program translations in an encoding-safe way, and secondly it hasn't had enough work done on all the stuff you need to do to handle different encodings of manual pages themselves | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | I fixed all of that stuff in man-db years ago, so it's more than reached the point where distros might as well just switch if they're having problems | 10:02 |
| * cjwatson wonders if Gentoo will ever get around to actually doing that, having apparently decided to do so | 10:03 | |
| abhinav- | :) | 10:03 |
| abhinav- | the only point I can mention in my proposal for not using man-db is that it is under gpl :) | 10:04 |
| cjwatson | yes, I believe in free software actually staying that way. :) | 10:06 |
| abhinav- | that actually gives me the opportunity to get this project :-D . | 10:07 |
| click170 | I'm maintaining the TicGit-ng program, a fork of the original now unmaintained TicGit, but I've run into a problem. Both the deprecated TicGit gem and the TicGit-ng gem use the same bin file(s), so when installing the latter without the former, you get told that you need to install TicGit in order to use that bin file | 10:20 |
| click170 | How do I resolve the problem on Ubuntu where trying to call a bin file with TicGit-ng installed results in a notice telling you to install the TicGit gem? | 10:21 |
| lifeless | sounds like your script isn't installed properly | 10:22 |
| lifeless | and you are triggering command-not-found behaviour | 10:22 |
| click170 | Well, if I install the TicGit-ng gem on Debian, it works without problems. Do I need to do something more to satisfy a requisite for Ubuntu? | 10:23 |
| click170 | Am I in the wrong channel? Should I be in the rubygems channel instead? | 10:25 |
| lifeless | I don't know :) | 10:26 |
| lifeless | what does 'which <your command name>' report | 10:26 |
| click170 | 'which ticgitweb' has no results, but the file exists in '/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/ticgitweb'. This is a fresh install with git-core ruby and rubygems installed, and then TicGit-ng installed via gems. | 10:27 |
| lifeless | so, is /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin on your path? | 10:28 |
| click170 | Apparently not. Sounds like a bug in Rubygems... | 10:28 |
| click170 | lifeless: Thanks. I've gone to answers.launchpad.net to ask for more information there and to find out if this is a bug in rubygems or not. | 10:47 |
| seiflotfy | any1 here using natty on an intel chipset | 12:14 |
| seiflotfy | core i5 | 12:14 |
| seiflotfy | i cant use my external monitor | 12:14 |
| seiflotfy | it keeps flickering | 12:14 |
| c2tarun | seiflotfy: what is your laptops model? | 12:15 |
| bradm | I'm having huge problems with my laptop due to bug 727620, its random if it'll boot or not | 12:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 727620 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[Radeon HD 5650 and 5470] Driver crash during recovery boot and in normal boot (Regression from 2.6.38-3 to -4)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727620 | 12:19 |
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| pitti | chrisccoulson: binutils> awesome, as it's in the archive now, do you think we can land this by tomorrow freeze? | 13:37 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, can do. i've got some other globalmenu-extension bug fixes to land with firefox too though (most are fix committed already, but there is one which i haven't finished investigating yet) | 14:19 |
| chrisccoulson | i want to be sure i've not introduced any crashers before i upload though (so i'm running it today) | 14:20 |
| chrisccoulson | when is the cut-off tomorrow? | 14:20 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: we freeze at 0900 UTC | 14:37 |
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| chrisccoulson | pitti - oh, i guess i'll have to get it all fixed tonight ;) | 14:39 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: Sundays are overrated :) | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | jo works on sunday`s, which means i have my daughter here to help me | 14:58 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but in exchange you can slack tomorrow | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | and she likes using my laptop ;) | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | she has figured out that when she bashes the keypad, things happen on the screen | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | **keyboard | 14:59 |
| pitti | now this just needs a tad of coordination :) | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | she's even tried drawing her own image in the screen with a felt tipped pen | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure she has figured out yet how things are normally rendered on to the screen ;) | 15:01 |
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| pitti | chrisccoulson: oh, do you get that off the screen again? | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - she hasn't actually got as far as drawing on the screen yet. i stop her before she manages to do it | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | but she's got pretty close! | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | she's already drawn on the sofa ;) | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | but the cats do more damage to our sofa than her anyway ;) | 15:04 |
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| Laney | anyone available to process the gio-sharp sync? want to rebuild banshee against it before the freeze | 18:22 |
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| pitti | Laney: just doing | 19:32 |
| pitti | I did all outstanding syncs | 19:32 |
| Laney | cheers pitti | 19:34 |
| ricotz | pitti, hi | 19:38 |
| ricotz | docky needs to be built when gio-sharp is ready | 19:39 |
| pitti | ricotz: doesn't it have a versioned build-dep? | 19:39 |
| ricotz | docky copies the unstable lib to its private directory | 19:39 |
| ricotz | gio-sharp is considered unstable | 19:39 |
| pitti | then we'll need a -build1 upload, sorry | 19:40 |
| ricotz | ok | 19:40 |
| ricotz | no worries | 19:40 |
| Laney | i should have s/accepted/published/ in my comment | 19:41 |
| Laney | sorry | 19:41 |
| ricotz | pitti, but of course thank you for accepting it | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | doko: hi | 19:58 |
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| micahg | should I add tasks for the rdepends to bug 745544 | 20:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 745544 in gcc-4.3 (Ubuntu) "removal of GCC-4.3 packages in natty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745544 | 20:43 |
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| ScottK | micahg: Sounds reasonable. | 20:46 |
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| SpamapS | hrm.. twice now my box has panicced because building drizzle ate up all the RAM... | 21:26 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: what -j param are you passing? | 21:26 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: and -panic- wtf | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I know.. I'm getting an "OOM and no processes left to kill" | 21:27 |
| ScottK | I've hear lamont is particularly fond of -j 24 on armel. | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I'm not sure what -j it passes.. | 21:27 |
| ScottK | hear/heard | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | I'm pretty much at "defaults" | 21:27 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: package or upstream build | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: package | 21:27 |
| lifeless | whats your deb concurrency option set to | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I've never done anything to change it, so probably 1 | 21:28 |
| * SpamapS is almost religious about using defaults unless he fully understands the setting being changed. :-P | 21:29 | |
| SpamapS | plus w/ a dual core honestly using -j2 just means sacrificing being able to use the box. :-P | 21:30 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: heh | 21:34 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: my test build box is a (2 year old) i7 | 21:34 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: 8 cores 4eva | 21:34 |
| SpamapS | I have one box | 21:37 |
| SpamapS | a laptop | 21:37 |
| SpamapS | everything else is "in the cloud" :) | 21:37 |
| SpamapS | Ok so I think this is related to the chroot upstart support | 21:38 |
| SpamapS | its happening when installing dbus | 21:38 |
| lifeless | -win- | 21:38 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: how old is your laptop that its only 2 core? | 21:38 |
| SpamapS | macbook pro 15 5,1 | 21:39 |
| SpamapS | 1 root 20 0 962m 941m 1336 R 100 23.9 0:18.53 init | 21:39 |
| SpamapS | DOOHHH!!! | 21:39 |
| SpamapS | oh boy and its unstoppable | 21:39 |
| SpamapS | 1 root 20 0 962m 941m 1336 R 100 23.9 0:18.53 init | 21:39 |
| SpamapS | oops | 21:39 |
| SpamapS | 2.5G now | 21:39 |
| SpamapS | sync | 21:40 |
| SpamapS | haha my 'sync' came out in irc | 21:49 |
| SpamapS | box was a bit unresponsive by then.. :-P | 21:49 |
| SpamapS | ahh.. so dbus is special in that it sends SIGUSR1 to init... | 21:52 |
| DnaX | I've requested a FeatureFreeze Exception for Gweled package: bug #756877 | 22:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 756877 in gweled (Ubuntu) "Debian sync request for Gweled 0.9.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756877 | 22:20 |
| DnaX | can anyone in the release team look this? | 22:21 |
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| stgraber | cjwatson: sorry for the late response ;) I can confirm a race condition in plymouth-upstart-bridge. Out of 5 boots in my VM I only got one boot.log containing the upstart boot messages. | 23:04 |
| stgraber | it's testing with a desktop VM on my laptop, so it takes less than 5 seconds to boot the whole desktop. I'm guessing it's less visible on a "normal" system :) | 23:05 |
| stgraber | I'll see if I can "easily" fix that so I can then easily test bug 752393 | 23:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 752393 in lsb (Ubuntu) "lsb init scripts show line buffering problems on bootup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752393 | 23:06 |
| stgraber | as I don't really want to reboot 5 times everytime I want to test something ;) | 23:07 |
| stgraber | I could also find a slower machine (as in, non-SSD and with less than 8GB of RAM), that should workaround it ;) | 23:07 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: could just be that dbus starts so shortly before gdm that there's no time for p-u-b to do anything | 23:08 |
| cjwatson | it's possible for both gdm and p-u-b to start immediately after dbus, after all | 23:09 |
| cjwatson | p-u-b is more useful on server systems | 23:09 |
| cjwatson | but you could also just shove 'pre-start exec sleep 10' in /etc/init/gdm.conf, or something like that | 23:11 |
| stgraber | cjwatson: well, my choice of using ubuntu desktop was to make the boot process slower ;) which kind of worked but only 1 out of 5 times ... server was booting even faster so that I'd never get a boot.log containing upstart entries :( | 23:12 |
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| stgraber | I'm not sure the sleep 10 would work because on Friday I tried removing plymouth-stop.conf entirely, which means keeping a running plymouth after boot. But still didn't get anything in boot.log. I'm guessing the issue is really that p-u-b is starting "too late" and everything is already done | 23:14 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: roll on http://alban.apinc.org/blog/2011/02/16/introducing-multicast-unix-sockets/ or similar, and then we'd be able to talk to upstart without needing to wait for dbus-daemon to start | 23:19 |
| stgraber | that'd be nice indeed | 23:21 |
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