=== dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:30] lucas_: so I know your relationship with ruby packaging runs hot and cold... :) do you have any interest in fixing bug #749099, or know someone who might? libcairo-ruby fails to build because it bypasses pkg-config and tries to parse .pc files directly [01:30] Launchpad bug 749099 in libcairo-ruby (Ubuntu) "libcairo-ruby version 1.8.1-1build1 failed to build on i386" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749099 [01:50] slangasek: Ick. [01:52] infinity: is that the sound of you volunteering to fix it? :) [01:53] slangasek: It's the sound of me vomiting a little at people who feel the need to re-invent pkg-config. [01:54] If you're going to be around Ruby much, you'll be needed a large barf bag. [01:54] infinity: I should share the list of all the things I've had to fix in build systems for multiarch :) [01:54] php still wins, hands down [01:55] but you probably could already have guessed that :) [01:55] yeah. that was a given. [01:55] slangasek: With our history with it, I can't imagine it surprised you, at least [01:55] no, but I realized I'd repressed just how bad its autoconf usage was === chuck_ is now known as zul [01:55] Heh. [01:59] cjwatson: It looks to me like something ate your dh-autoreconf backport https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-autoreconf/+publishinghistory [01:59] re Bug #755661 [01:59] Launchpad bug 755661 in lucid-backports "Please backport dh-autoreconf" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755661 [01:59] (I don't see it in New either) [02:08] say, umm... don't we have an auto generated list of packages that ftbs? so why file bug reports on them as well? [02:09] because a list of packages that ftbfs doesn't let you claim/assign the issues, triage them, or file them against different packages that are the ultimate source of the breakage [02:12] ScottK: no, I just forgot to flush it [02:12] cjwatson: That's a relief. === asac_ is now known as asac [02:16] ScottK: apologies for the duplicate NEW mails, lag-induced errors [02:16] No problem. Thanks for taking care of it. [02:17] accepted now [02:20] Great. I'll take care of binary New once it hits. [02:21] thanks [03:43] I have always explicitly specified -r or -h, but if you don't specify, shutdown seems to drop to runlevel s. Is this normal? the man page does not say what happens if you don't use any switches [03:43] * psusi is getting the feeling this is normal and this bug report should be converted into a request to improve the man page === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [05:44] cjwatson: Hi, one more question. Is "man -K" available only on Ubuntu ? I tried it on Opensuse , it wasn't available , although opensuse is also using man-db. [06:03] doesn't that just call apropos, or vice versa [06:03] man -k calls apropos, in Ubuntu man -K does a full text search over man pages :) [06:04] ooh nice. i never kenw that. [06:04] you can grep the debdiff on the package page to see if it's added as a patch; that'll literally answer your question, but i don't personally know [06:05] i see --global-apropos on lots of online manual listings [06:06] what does --global-apropos do ? [06:07] maybe they all use ubuntu ;-) [06:07] abhinav-: it's the longname for -K [06:07] oh [06:07] it's in man man [06:07] hyperair: looks like it could be :D [06:07] heheh [06:08] :) [06:08] hyperair: quick look at man page i know is modified for ubuntu doesn't have those modifications though [06:08] mm what about debian? [06:08] debian has -K as well. [06:09] debian is awesome; they could be getting the man pages from there as well === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:35] slangasek: [libcairo-ruby] I'll take a look [06:35] hrm.. autofs is frustrating.. no way to inform it that it should retry all failed mounts [06:38] SpamapS: what are you using it for? [06:38] personally, nothing [06:38] lucas_: ok :) [06:38] but trying to pinpoint when to start it during the boot [06:39] its a bit of a speciality for a desktop thing when there's udisks [06:39] ohsix: basically in a server with static interfaces, 'started networking' is the exact right place to start autofs. On machines w/ dhcp or transient network connections.. this results in an autofs that takes 60 seconds to notice that it can mount an NFS share that it couldn't before. :-P [06:40] i see [06:41] The kernel caches negative mount attempts and provides no way to flush that cache. :-P [06:41] just times them out [06:41] theres a fuse filesystem that can do the same, but run arbitrary commands too [06:42] well regardless of that.. the current start on is totally broken.. 'and mounting TYPE=nfs' .. not sure what zul was thinking there. :-P [06:43] lots of stuff is broken/weird with nfs :D [06:43] well autofs has lots of uses w/o nfs. [06:43] right [06:43] and mounting is only emitted by mountall.. so not sure how it relates to autofs [06:44] just saying theres a lot of weirdness to accept with nfs; how autofs interacts with it is just another one [06:45] meh.. autofs doesn't care what its mounting really. [06:50] well mounting nfs manually is weird too; so i don't see how it'd drop out of the equation [06:55] Yeah it just depends on how you want to use nfs [06:55] SpamapS: thats an oxymoron, no ? [06:59] true.. nobody *wants* to use NFS [06:59] lifeless: so, are you convinced yet that Cassandra is t3h suck? Or do I need to put Solandra/Lucandra on my oneiric-alpha-1 todo? [07:01] SpamapS: Bah, I use NFS here. === StevenK__ is now known as StevenK === StevenK is now known as Guest27069 [07:02] Services, bite my shiny metal ... === Guest27069 is now known as StevenK [07:04] SpamapS: I got good feedback from mdennis [07:04] SpamapS: I thought I forwarded his 'can I'd love to come to UDS' mail to you/ [07:04] s/can/and/ [07:05] lifeless: You may have. I'm just watching each patch release totally destroy at least a few peoples' installs and thinking they really don't understand what a stable release is yet. [07:05] SpamapS: ouch [07:06] SpamapS: that part I have no experience with yet [07:06] SpamapS: have you played with lp:oopsrespository ? [07:06] SpamapS: thats what I need solandra for [07:06] s/need/think it might be nicer than solr [07:06] 0.7.1 and 0.7.2 were particularly ugly.. 0.7.3 gives you the tools to clean up the mess of those releases.. but then 0.7.4 broke anybody who went from < 0.7.3 to 0.7.4 ... [07:07] SpamapS: though, TBH, if its still got the insane xml file for config [07:07] I haven't looked at all [07:07] SpamapS: thats a bit uncool [07:07] It does seem like the best option for a hyper-scalable text search engine. [07:09] I have to wonder if there is something similar for Hbase [07:30] hmm.. I'm trying to upload a new version of autofs5 but dput is erroring out with "550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied. [07:32] SpamapS: you used the right gpg key (the one LP knows about)? [07:33] geser: indeed, F4BCB38E [07:33] have used it to upload before [07:33] wondering if my recent python problems might be the culprit [07:35] no.. something else.. dupload has the same problem [07:35] if gpg --verify works on the .changes files, then I've no idea and try in #launchpad [07:35] it's not dput generating the error message but the ftp server on LP [07:37] alternatively you can also try to upload via sftp [07:37] yeah I was thinking maybe dput was mangling the file [07:42] hrm looks like it worked the first time despite the error [08:27] so we check the signature during the ftp session now [08:27] which is pretty cool [08:27] Unless others are having the same issue [08:28] unless you started checking within the past 2 hours, I'm not [08:28] nope [08:28] a week or so now [08:28] we were hoping it would stop the mysterious 'I uploaded and no error and no email back' situation [08:28] bigjools blogged aboot it [09:29] slangasek: actually, 1.4.2 was the first time there _was_ an ubuntu branch, it had been a local one until then.. I just should've checked the archive too before uploading [09:29] tjaalton: oh, in that case yes, I blame you! ;) [09:29] darn :) [09:30] can't keep my mouth shut [09:30] ;) [09:35] there's still xserver 1.10.1rc2 and mesa 7.10.2 the team would like to upload before the freeze, libx11 was just a warmup :) [09:54] abhinav-: it's not Ubuntu-specific; I implemented it in man-db upstream. openSUSE are probably just a few versions behind and need somebody to prod them to come up to date. [09:56] abhinav-: The other GPLed man implementation, which used to be in Fedora (though Fedora switched to man-db recently) actually had -K first, although the implementation wasn't as good so it was several times slower to run. [09:58] cjwatson: oh ok. thanks. I was googling to learn more about man-db. I suppose man-db handles internationalization properly as opposed to the old man implementation ? [09:58] yes [09:59] when distros have switched to it, I think that's been the main reason for them [10:00] cjwatson: yes, I saw mailing list discussions, all of them had trouble with internationalization [10:02] yes, firstly it still uses catgets so it has no way to handle program translations in an encoding-safe way, and secondly it hasn't had enough work done on all the stuff you need to do to handle different encodings of manual pages themselves [10:02] I fixed all of that stuff in man-db years ago, so it's more than reached the point where distros might as well just switch if they're having problems [10:03] * cjwatson wonders if Gentoo will ever get around to actually doing that, having apparently decided to do so [10:03] :) [10:04] the only point I can mention in my proposal for not using man-db is that it is under gpl :) [10:06] yes, I believe in free software actually staying that way. :) [10:07] that actually gives me the opportunity to get this project :-D . [10:20] I'm maintaining the TicGit-ng program, a fork of the original now unmaintained TicGit, but I've run into a problem. Both the deprecated TicGit gem and the TicGit-ng gem use the same bin file(s), so when installing the latter without the former, you get told that you need to install TicGit in order to use that bin file [10:21] How do I resolve the problem on Ubuntu where trying to call a bin file with TicGit-ng installed results in a notice telling you to install the TicGit gem? [10:22] sounds like your script isn't installed properly [10:22] and you are triggering command-not-found behaviour [10:23] Well, if I install the TicGit-ng gem on Debian, it works without problems. Do I need to do something more to satisfy a requisite for Ubuntu? [10:25] Am I in the wrong channel? Should I be in the rubygems channel instead? [10:26] I don't know :) [10:26] what does 'which ' report [10:27] 'which ticgitweb' has no results, but the file exists in '/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/ticgitweb'. This is a fresh install with git-core ruby and rubygems installed, and then TicGit-ng installed via gems. [10:28] so, is /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin on your path? [10:28] Apparently not. Sounds like a bug in Rubygems... [10:47] lifeless: Thanks. I've gone to answers.launchpad.net to ask for more information there and to find out if this is a bug in rubygems or not. [12:14] any1 here using natty on an intel chipset [12:14] core i5 [12:14] i cant use my external monitor [12:14] it keeps flickering [12:15] seiflotfy: what is your laptops model? [12:19] I'm having huge problems with my laptop due to bug 727620, its random if it'll boot or not [12:19] Launchpad bug 727620 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[Radeon HD 5650 and 5470] Driver crash during recovery boot and in normal boot (Regression from 2.6.38-3 to -4)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727620 === sebner_ is now known as sebner [13:37] chrisccoulson: binutils> awesome, as it's in the archive now, do you think we can land this by tomorrow freeze? [14:19] pitti - yeah, can do. i've got some other globalmenu-extension bug fixes to land with firefox too though (most are fix committed already, but there is one which i haven't finished investigating yet) [14:20] i want to be sure i've not introduced any crashers before i upload though (so i'm running it today) [14:20] when is the cut-off tomorrow? [14:37] chrisccoulson: we freeze at 0900 UTC === sebner_ is now known as sebner [14:39] pitti - oh, i guess i'll have to get it all fixed tonight ;) [14:58] chrisccoulson: Sundays are overrated :) [14:58] heh :) [14:58] jo works on sunday`s, which means i have my daughter here to help me [14:58] chrisccoulson: but in exchange you can slack tomorrow [14:59] and she likes using my laptop ;) [14:59] she has figured out that when she bashes the keypad, things happen on the screen [14:59] **keyboard [14:59] now this just needs a tad of coordination :) [14:59] lol [15:00] she's even tried drawing her own image in the screen with a felt tipped pen [15:01] i'm not sure she has figured out yet how things are normally rendered on to the screen ;) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:03] chrisccoulson: oh, do you get that off the screen again? [15:03] pitti - she hasn't actually got as far as drawing on the screen yet. i stop her before she manages to do it [15:03] but she's got pretty close! [15:03] she's already drawn on the sofa ;) [15:04] but the cats do more damage to our sofa than her anyway ;) === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === emma_ is now known as em === doko_ is now known as doko === evilnhandler_ is now known as evilnhandler [18:22] anyone available to process the gio-sharp sync? want to rebuild banshee against it before the freeze === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|pizza [19:32] Laney: just doing [19:32] I did all outstanding syncs [19:34] cheers pitti [19:38] pitti, hi [19:39] docky needs to be built when gio-sharp is ready [19:39] ricotz: doesn't it have a versioned build-dep? [19:39] docky copies the unstable lib to its private directory [19:39] gio-sharp is considered unstable [19:40] then we'll need a -build1 upload, sorry [19:40] ok [19:40] no worries [19:41] i should have s/accepted/published/ in my comment [19:41] sorry [19:42] pitti, but of course thank you for accepting it === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === warp11 is now known as warp10 [19:58] doko: hi === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [20:43] should I add tasks for the rdepends to bug 745544 [20:43] Launchpad bug 745544 in gcc-4.3 (Ubuntu) "removal of GCC-4.3 packages in natty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745544 === jasono is now known as JasonO [20:46] micahg: Sounds reasonable. === MacSlow|pizza is now known as MacSlow === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [21:26] hrm.. twice now my box has panicced because building drizzle ate up all the RAM... [21:26] SpamapS: what -j param are you passing? [21:26] SpamapS: and -panic- wtf [21:27] lifeless: I know.. I'm getting an "OOM and no processes left to kill" [21:27] I've hear lamont is particularly fond of -j 24 on armel. [21:27] lifeless: I'm not sure what -j it passes.. [21:27] hear/heard [21:27] I'm pretty much at "defaults" [21:27] SpamapS: package or upstream build [21:27] lifeless: package [21:27] whats your deb concurrency option set to [21:28] lifeless: I've never done anything to change it, so probably 1 [21:29] * SpamapS is almost religious about using defaults unless he fully understands the setting being changed. :-P [21:30] plus w/ a dual core honestly using -j2 just means sacrificing being able to use the box. :-P [21:34] SpamapS: heh [21:34] SpamapS: my test build box is a (2 year old) i7 [21:34] SpamapS: 8 cores 4eva [21:37] I have one box [21:37] a laptop [21:37] everything else is "in the cloud" :) [21:38] Ok so I think this is related to the chroot upstart support [21:38] its happening when installing dbus [21:38] -win- [21:38] SpamapS: how old is your laptop that its only 2 core? [21:39] macbook pro 15 5,1 [21:39] 1 root 20 0 962m 941m 1336 R 100 23.9 0:18.53 init [21:39] DOOHHH!!! [21:39] oh boy and its unstoppable [21:39] 1 root 20 0 962m 941m 1336 R 100 23.9 0:18.53 init [21:39] oops [21:39] 2.5G now [21:40] sync [21:49] haha my 'sync' came out in irc [21:49] box was a bit unresponsive by then.. :-P [21:52] ahh.. so dbus is special in that it sends SIGUSR1 to init... [22:20] I've requested a FeatureFreeze Exception for Gweled package: bug #756877 [22:20] Launchpad bug 756877 in gweled (Ubuntu) "Debian sync request for Gweled 0.9.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756877 [22:21] can anyone in the release team look this? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [23:04] cjwatson: sorry for the late response ;) I can confirm a race condition in plymouth-upstart-bridge. Out of 5 boots in my VM I only got one boot.log containing the upstart boot messages. [23:05] it's testing with a desktop VM on my laptop, so it takes less than 5 seconds to boot the whole desktop. I'm guessing it's less visible on a "normal" system :) [23:06] I'll see if I can "easily" fix that so I can then easily test bug 752393 [23:06] Launchpad bug 752393 in lsb (Ubuntu) "lsb init scripts show line buffering problems on bootup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752393 [23:07] as I don't really want to reboot 5 times everytime I want to test something ;) [23:07] I could also find a slower machine (as in, non-SSD and with less than 8GB of RAM), that should workaround it ;) [23:08] stgraber: could just be that dbus starts so shortly before gdm that there's no time for p-u-b to do anything [23:09] it's possible for both gdm and p-u-b to start immediately after dbus, after all [23:09] p-u-b is more useful on server systems [23:11] but you could also just shove 'pre-start exec sleep 10' in /etc/init/gdm.conf, or something like that [23:12] cjwatson: well, my choice of using ubuntu desktop was to make the boot process slower ;) which kind of worked but only 1 out of 5 times ... server was booting even faster so that I'd never get a boot.log containing upstart entries :( === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [23:14] I'm not sure the sleep 10 would work because on Friday I tried removing plymouth-stop.conf entirely, which means keeping a running plymouth after boot. But still didn't get anything in boot.log. I'm guessing the issue is really that p-u-b is starting "too late" and everything is already done [23:19] stgraber: roll on http://alban.apinc.org/blog/2011/02/16/introducing-multicast-unix-sockets/ or similar, and then we'd be able to talk to upstart without needing to wait for dbus-daemon to start [23:21] that'd be nice indeed === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates