| McPeter | Hi, ubuntu's group contact, could you ask staffer to grant extended channel registration for ubuntu-fr-irc as it raise the limit | 00:03 |
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| rww | tsimpson, I choose you! | 00:03 |
| tsimpson | McPeter: you shouldn't need a GC to do that | 00:04 |
| McPeter | heu | 00:06 |
| rww | what does "extended channel registration" mean :\ | 00:08 |
| McPeter | we need gc to do that :) | 00:08 |
| McPeter | by default we can register max 30 channel with one account | 00:09 |
| McPeter | for more, we need a special account flag | 00:10 |
| McPeter | and freenode (staffer) give us if GC say "ok" :p | 00:10 |
| McPeter | (sorry for my english … i'm french :p) | 00:11 |
| tsimpson | McPeter: can I ask why you need more than 30 channels? | 00:11 |
| McPeter | tsimpson, for exemple we groups #kubuntu-fr / #xubuntu-fr --> #ubuntu-fr for the support | 00:12 |
| McPeter | we have #ubuntu-fr-meeting / -fr-party / -fr-pro / -fr-doc / -fr-devweb / -fr-modops (forums) / -fr-ops (irc) | 00:13 |
| JanC | you mean you have forwards on those? | 00:13 |
| McPeter | etc … | 00:13 |
| tsimpson | McPeter: the -fr group seems to have some channels that probably could be dropped | 00:16 |
| McPeter | tsimpson, rww look /notice | 00:19 |
| tsimpson | what notice? | 00:19 |
| McPeter | :) | 00:20 |
| McPeter | ok .. i paste in pv | 00:20 |
| rww | My opinion doesn't matter, but I agree with tsimpson about some of the channels on that list :\ | 00:20 |
| tsimpson | McPeter: why do you need all those channels though? | 00:21 |
| McPeter | for different activity | 00:23 |
| tsimpson | you need #ubuntu-fr-troll? | 00:24 |
| McPeter | example we have : #ubuntu-fr-dijon | 00:24 |
| McPeter | possible in future we have : #ubuntu-fr-marseille / -lille / etc … | 00:25 |
| McPeter | by town ( french association) | 00:25 |
| tsimpson | what about the 2 extra -ops channels? | 00:25 |
| McPeter | -ops-log and -ops ? | 00:26 |
| tsimpson | -ops-admin too | 00:26 |
| tsimpson | *-ops-admins | 00:27 |
| tsimpson | there's -jeux-night too, is that different from -jeux? | 00:27 |
| tsimpson | and the 3 ## channels | 00:28 |
| McPeter | -ops is moderate channel (for only operator/moderator) | 00:28 |
| McPeter | -ops-log is for uBOTu-fr log ban/quiet/ | 00:28 |
| McPeter | -ops-admins is for trivarium operator | 00:30 |
| tsimpson | what's trivarium? | 00:31 |
| McPeter | we used to always have 3 irc admins | 00:32 |
| IdleOne | so the Fr team had a council known as the trivarium? | 00:34 |
| niko | IdleOne: fr loco leader has all access, but french team split each medias ( web/irc/forum/email/party ) | 00:35 |
| niko | i guess the current issue is that few ops need to keep founder for few #ubuntu-fr* channel because the ubuntu-fr-irc account used for that raised the limit | 00:36 |
| IdleOne | well I think what tsimpson is saying is that some of those channels might not really be needed and could be dropped or merged | 00:36 |
| niko | such channel had been registered due to troll try, or because used time by time for few specific reason | 00:37 |
| IdleOne | -fr-dijon could be dropped and moved to ## because it is not an official loco. as far as I know Ubuntu LoCo's don't break down to city level. | 00:38 |
| tsimpson | niko: they should be dropped eventually though | 00:38 |
| tsimpson | the irc council is in the process of dropping many of those kinds of channels too | 00:39 |
| niko | well, /msg alis list *#ubuntu* shows many channel like that | 00:40 |
| tsimpson | "in the process" ;) | 00:40 |
| tsimpson | we're working through >1300 channels | 00:40 |
| niko | the dijon's one is a specific legal organisation | 00:41 |
| rww | #ubuntu* has 1300 channels? wow. | 00:41 |
| niko | at least, valid in fr country | 00:41 |
| tsimpson | more actually | 00:41 |
| tsimpson | rww: and don't forget #kubuntu*, #xubuntu*, #edubuntu*, etc | 00:41 |
| rww | true, but still, that's a lot. I'm surprised. | 00:42 |
| rww | are y'all group contacts for #lubuntu* too, or do they have their own? | 00:42 |
| tsimpson | that's why we're going through and dropping all the useless/unused ones | 00:42 |
| tsimpson | no, Lubuntu is not "an official derivative" | 00:43 |
| tsimpson | niko: what about the ## channels? | 00:44 |
| niko | tsimpson: ask fr-admins about that | 00:44 |
| tsimpson | I'm just struggling to see why there is a need for >30 channels, waiting to be convinced :) | 00:45 |
| niko | tsimpson: i guess it's because few ops needs to keep +F on few of them, because ubuntu-fr-irc is full | 00:46 |
| tsimpson | sure, but 30 is a large number of channels for a LoCo | 00:46 |
| niko | they used it for various things, support, party, webdev, admin, ops, etc | 00:47 |
| niko | with various level of access | 00:48 |
| niko | and keeping founder access on someone could break stuff | 00:48 |
| niko | as, if the op leave the team, is still have the ability to drop the channel or change many settings | 00:50 |
| niko | that's why they try to handle that into one account | 00:51 |
| tsimpson | I get why one account for all the channels is good, I just don't get why they need over 30 | 00:52 |
| niko | like, the per-city channel | 00:52 |
| JanC | ubuntu-fr is a large loco too, of course... ;) | 00:52 |
| tsimpson | per-city is not something you're supposed to use | 00:53 |
| niko | organisation per city are allowed, it's hard to tell them to move to ## | 00:54 |
| McPeter | in france we have association loi 1901" | 00:54 |
| niko | as they are very strong to fr loco and other french's ubuntu team | 00:54 |
| McPeter | "association loi 1901" | 00:54 |
| IdleOne | is there really that great of a need for -fr-city channels? | 00:56 |
| IdleOne | if so that is awesome. | 00:56 |
| rww | I am biased, but I consider imposing structure like that on LoCo teams from without to be rather flawed :\ | 00:56 |
| JanC | IdleOne: how many locoteams have release parties with thousands of visitors? ;-) | 00:57 |
| IdleOne | none that i know | 00:57 |
| JanC | ubuntu-fr has | 00:57 |
| McPeter | Ubuntu-Party :) | 00:57 |
| rww | JanC: does #ubuntu-release-party count? ;) | 00:57 |
| IdleOne | we need to go to France for a release party :) | 00:57 |
| McPeter | next week i go Angezrs | 00:57 |
| McPeter | to S.A.M. | 00:58 |
| McPeter | presente Ubuntu in University | 00:58 |
| McPeter | and next time | 00:58 |
| McPeter | we have Ubuntu Party 11.04 at Paris | 00:58 |
| tsimpson | I would have thought a ML would be better for organizing release parities ;) | 00:58 |
| JanC | rww: even that channel doesn't have 4000 people ;) | 00:59 |
| McPeter | oO | 00:59 |
| rww | JanC: you said "thousands"; #u-r-p hit over 1000 iirc ;) | 00:59 |
| rww | anyway, I'm being distracting, nvm. | 00:59 |
| niko | anyway nothing hurry, but they still have few op with founder access in channel they do not have :) | 00:59 |
| tsimpson | I'd like to see the unneeded channels dropped first | 01:00 |
| McPeter | and after we add all channels by op :) | 01:00 |
| tsimpson | I'm unaware of any other LoCo that has >30 channels, so I'm just a bit cautious about it | 01:01 |
| niko | tsimpson: feel free to paste the list to McPeter, he is one of the admin | 01:02 |
| tsimpson | well I don't know which ones are needed/used in the list, but the ## ones, and probably -trolls should go | 01:03 |
| tsimpson | and I'm unsure what #kubuntu-fr-users would be for | 01:03 |
| tsimpson | and -chat | 01:03 |
| niko | for historical reason | 01:03 |
| tsimpson | and -jeux-night | 01:04 |
| niko | during the merge/forward from #kubuntu-fr/#xubunut-fr to #ubuntu-fr few people would like to be able to continue as they were before | 01:04 |
| niko | -jeux-night is linked to -jeux | 01:04 |
| niko | it's the wolf channel of -jeux | 01:05 |
| McPeter | how say "sale gosse" in english ? :) | 01:06 |
| McPeter | *to | 01:06 |
| McPeter | in france we have many "sale gosse" :) | 01:06 |
| tsimpson | google suggests "brat" | 01:07 |
| JanC | I'm not sure those belong under #ubuntu :P | 01:07 |
| IdleOne | McPeter: Au Quebec gosse veut dire testicule, pas sure de l'expression sale gosse | 01:08 |
| McPeter | IdleOne, HAHA | 01:08 |
| McPeter | no no !! | 01:08 |
| McPeter | "sale gosse" .. maybe : "bad child" | 01:09 |
| McPeter | if u understand ? | 01:09 |
| IdleOne | ahh ok, a little brat | 01:09 |
| JanC | "nasty boy/girl", something like that, yes | 01:09 |
| McPeter | for example .. in france . when people is brake .. he create channel derivated | 01:10 |
| McPeter | #ubuntu-fr vs ##ubuntu-fr | 01:10 |
| IdleOne | ah you mean trolls | 01:10 |
| McPeter | i don't know if you understand me .. :\ | 01:11 |
| McPeter | IdleOne, mmh .. | 01:11 |
| McPeter | trolls vs idiot | 01:11 |
| IdleOne | yes, France has a large LoCo and sometimes people disagree with the official channel so they start their own channel | 01:11 |
| tsimpson | well, as long as their channels start with a ##... | 01:12 |
| McPeter | when we linkked #kubuntu-fr to #ubuntu-fr to centralise support | 01:12 |
| McPeter | 2-3 users create #kubuntu-fr-users | 01:12 |
| McPeter | to protected support and new ubuntu user .. we drop this channel | 01:12 |
| McPeter | and Ubuntu-fr-IRC register and linkked | 01:12 |
| tsimpson | hmm | 01:13 |
| McPeter | (i speak english same spanish cow) (french expression) | 01:13 |
| IdleOne | hahaha | 01:13 |
| IdleOne | I know that expression | 01:13 |
| McPeter | :p | 01:14 |
| * McPeter hides | 01:14 | |
| IdleOne | you speak English well. I think what the issue is that there are some channels the the -fr team has that don't seem like they are needed. | 01:15 |
| IdleOne | the the?? | 01:15 |
| IdleOne | that the* | 01:15 |
| McPeter | :) | 01:15 |
| IdleOne | I do that often | 01:16 |
| McPeter | hehe | 01:16 |
| tsimpson | McPeter: could you just drop an email to irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com requesting extended channel registration, and maybe a brief explanation? | 01:20 |
| tsimpson | I'd rather discuss it with the others than make a unilateral decision | 01:20 |
| tsimpson | and that way, I won't forget about it in the morning either | 01:20 |
| McPeter | ok | 01:21 |
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| head_victim | Good morning all, I was wondering if I could please have my cloak updated to reflect my new Ubuntu Membership. My launchpad profile is available at https://launchpad.net/~jarednorris | 19:39 |
| serfus | irccouncil ^ | 19:40 |
| head_victim | serfus: thanks | 19:41 |
| serfus | hum.. guess it doesn't highlight them, or they are not available right now | 19:45 |
| head_victim | serfus: it's ok, I live in Australia so I'm used to just lurking for responses. That and it's still Sunday in most parts of the world. | 19:46 |
| serfus | ya.. seems like all of them are /away | 19:48 |
| head_victim | It's ok, I'll hide in the corner until someone pops in :) | 19:49 |
| serfus | you can do that. or better, pray to IRC gods :P | 19:51 |
| head_victim | Oh so the council aren't the gods? ;) | 19:52 |
| serfus | they might be saints... freenode staff should be IRC gods | 19:52 |
| head_victim | Ah oh course. | 19:53 |
| jussi | head_victim: we dont give australians cloaks :P :P :P | 20:25 |
| jussi | nah, Ill go sort it for you now | 20:25 |
| head_victim | jussi: hah that sounds about right :P | 20:26 |
| jussi | (I'm an Aussie ;D ) | 20:26 |
| head_victim | Cheers, if we can keep the pdpc stuff that would be good | 20:26 |
| head_victim | I've seen you about the traps and google you so I almost feel like I know you :D | 20:26 |
| RawChid | Cool, I have the same request :) https://launchpad.net/~rachidbm | 20:26 |
| head_victim | I have a habit of checking up on lurkers in my spare time ;) | 20:27 |
| jussi | head_victim: everyone knows me :D | 20:27 |
| jussi | RawChid: on it :) | 20:28 |
| RawChid | Thanks :) | 20:29 |
| head_victim | jussi: you're still trying to work out if that's good or bad though right? | 20:29 |
| jussi | head_victim: no, its scary :P | 20:29 |
| jussi | head_victim: want ubuntu cloak first or second? | 20:30 |
| head_victim | Hah we're all friendly people :) | 20:30 |
| head_victim | jussi: umm is there a "standard" way of doing things? | 20:31 |
| jussi | head_victim: usually we do ubuntu/member/other cloak, but its really up to you. | 20:31 |
| head_victim | My main affiliation on here is to Ubuntu but I like to support PDPC for running the network I use so often. | 20:31 |
| jussi | head_victim: ok, lets put ubuntu first then | 20:31 |
| head_victim | Sounds splendid | 20:31 |
| RawChid | ubuntu/member is fine by me | 20:33 |
| RawChid | Great, thanks jussi | 20:47 |
| head_victim | Sounds splendid | 21:23 |
| head_victim | Hah wrong screen :/ | 21:23 |
| head_victim | jussi: thanks btw, been successfully testing my wan failover so was in and out. | 21:35 |
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