[00:03] <McPeter> Hi, ubuntu's group contact, could you ask staffer to grant extended channel registration for ubuntu-fr-irc as it raise the limit
[00:03] <rww> tsimpson, I choose you!
[00:04] <tsimpson> McPeter: you shouldn't need a GC to do that
[00:06] <McPeter> heu
[00:08] <rww> what does "extended channel registration" mean :\
[00:08] <McPeter> we need gc to do that :)
[00:09] <McPeter> by default we can register max 30 channel with one account
[00:10] <McPeter> for more, we need a special account flag
[00:10] <McPeter> and freenode (staffer) give us if GC say "ok" :p
[00:11] <McPeter> (sorry for my english … i'm french :p)
[00:11] <tsimpson> McPeter: can I ask why you need more than 30 channels?
[00:12] <McPeter> tsimpson, for exemple we groups #kubuntu-fr / #xubuntu-fr --> #ubuntu-fr for the support
[00:13] <McPeter> we have #ubuntu-fr-meeting / -fr-party / -fr-pro / -fr-doc / -fr-devweb / -fr-modops (forums) / -fr-ops (irc)
[00:13] <JanC> you mean you have forwards on those?
[00:13] <McPeter> etc …
[00:16] <tsimpson> McPeter: the -fr group seems to have some channels that probably could be dropped
[00:19] <McPeter> tsimpson, rww look /notice
[00:19] <tsimpson> what notice?
[00:20] <McPeter> :)
[00:20] <McPeter> ok .. i paste in pv
[00:20] <rww> My opinion doesn't matter, but I agree with tsimpson about some of the channels on that list :\
[00:21] <tsimpson> McPeter: why do you need all those channels though?
[00:23] <McPeter> for different activity
[00:24] <tsimpson> you need #ubuntu-fr-troll?
[00:24] <McPeter> example we have : #ubuntu-fr-dijon
[00:25] <McPeter> possible in future we have : #ubuntu-fr-marseille / -lille / etc …
[00:25] <McPeter> by town ( french association)
[00:25] <tsimpson> what about the 2 extra -ops channels?
[00:26] <McPeter> -ops-log and -ops ?
[00:26] <tsimpson> -ops-admin too
[00:27] <tsimpson> *-ops-admins
[00:27] <tsimpson> there's -jeux-night too, is that different from -jeux?
[00:28] <tsimpson> and the 3 ## channels
[00:28] <McPeter> -ops is moderate channel (for only operator/moderator)
[00:28] <McPeter> -ops-log is for uBOTu-fr log ban/quiet/
[00:30] <McPeter> -ops-admins is for trivarium operator
[00:31] <tsimpson> what's trivarium?
[00:32] <McPeter> we used to always have 3 irc admins
[00:34] <IdleOne> so the Fr team had a council known as the trivarium?
[00:35] <niko> IdleOne: fr loco leader has all access, but french team split each medias ( web/irc/forum/email/party )
[00:36] <niko> i guess the current issue is that few ops need to keep founder for few #ubuntu-fr* channel because the ubuntu-fr-irc account used for that raised the limit
[00:36] <IdleOne> well I think what tsimpson is saying is that some of those channels might not really be needed and could be dropped or merged
[00:37] <niko> such channel had been registered due to troll try, or because used time by time for few specific reason
[00:38] <IdleOne> -fr-dijon could be dropped and moved to ## because it is not an official loco. as far as I know Ubuntu LoCo's don't break down to city level.
[00:38] <tsimpson> niko: they should be dropped eventually though
[00:39] <tsimpson> the irc council is in the process of dropping many of those kinds of channels too
[00:40] <niko> well, /msg alis list *#ubuntu* shows many channel like that
[00:40] <tsimpson> "in the process" ;)
[00:40] <tsimpson> we're working through >1300 channels
[00:41] <niko> the dijon's one is a specific legal organisation
[00:41] <rww> #ubuntu* has 1300 channels? wow.
[00:41] <niko> at least, valid in fr country
[00:41] <tsimpson> more actually
[00:41] <tsimpson> rww: and don't forget #kubuntu*, #xubuntu*, #edubuntu*, etc
[00:42] <rww> true, but still, that's a lot. I'm surprised.
[00:42] <rww> are y'all group contacts for #lubuntu* too, or do they have their own?
[00:42] <tsimpson> that's why we're going through and dropping all the useless/unused ones
[00:43] <tsimpson> no, Lubuntu is not "an official derivative"
[00:44] <tsimpson> niko: what about the ## channels?
[00:44] <niko> tsimpson: ask fr-admins about that
[00:45] <tsimpson> I'm just struggling to see why there is a need for >30 channels, waiting to be convinced :)
[00:46] <niko> tsimpson: i guess it's because few ops needs to keep +F on few of them, because ubuntu-fr-irc is full
[00:46] <tsimpson> sure, but 30 is a large number of channels for a LoCo
[00:47] <niko> they used it for various things, support, party, webdev, admin, ops, etc
[00:48] <niko> with various level of access
[00:48] <niko> and keeping founder access on someone could break stuff
[00:50] <niko> as, if the op leave the team, is still have the ability to drop the channel or change many settings
[00:51] <niko> that's why they try to handle that into one account
[00:52] <tsimpson> I get why one account for all the channels is good, I just don't get why they need over 30
[00:52] <niko> like, the per-city channel
[00:52] <JanC> ubuntu-fr is a large loco too, of course...  ;)
[00:53] <tsimpson> per-city is not something you're supposed to use
[00:54] <niko> organisation per city are allowed, it's hard to tell them to move to ##
[00:54] <McPeter> in france we have association loi 1901"
[00:54] <niko> as they are very strong to fr loco and other french's ubuntu team
[00:54] <McPeter> "association loi 1901"
[00:56] <IdleOne> is there really that great of a need for -fr-city channels?
[00:56] <IdleOne> if so that is awesome.
[00:56] <rww> I am biased, but I consider imposing structure like that on LoCo teams from without to be rather flawed :\
[00:57] <JanC> IdleOne: how many locoteams have release parties with thousands of visitors?  ;-)
[00:57] <IdleOne> none that i know
[00:57] <JanC> ubuntu-fr has
[00:57] <McPeter> Ubuntu-Party :)
[00:57] <rww> JanC: does #ubuntu-release-party count? ;)
[00:57] <IdleOne> we need to go to France for a release party :)
[00:57] <McPeter> next week i go Angezrs
[00:58] <McPeter> to S.A.M.
[00:58] <McPeter> presente Ubuntu in University
[00:58] <McPeter> and next time
[00:58] <McPeter> we have Ubuntu Party 11.04 at Paris
[00:58] <tsimpson> I would have thought a ML would be better for organizing release parities ;)
[00:59] <JanC> rww: even that channel doesn't have 4000 people  ;)
[00:59] <McPeter> oO
[00:59] <rww> JanC: you said "thousands"; #u-r-p hit over 1000 iirc ;)
[00:59] <rww> anyway, I'm being distracting, nvm.
[00:59] <niko> anyway nothing hurry, but they still have few op with founder access in channel they do not have :)
[01:00] <tsimpson> I'd like to see the unneeded channels dropped first
[01:00] <McPeter> and after we add all channels by op :)
[01:01] <tsimpson> I'm unaware of any other LoCo that has >30 channels, so I'm just a bit cautious about it
[01:02] <niko> tsimpson: feel free to paste the list to McPeter, he is one of the admin
[01:03] <tsimpson> well I don't know which ones are needed/used in the list, but the ## ones, and probably -trolls should go
[01:03] <tsimpson> and I'm unsure what #kubuntu-fr-users would be for
[01:03] <tsimpson> and -chat
[01:03] <niko> for historical reason
[01:04] <tsimpson> and -jeux-night
[01:04] <niko> during the merge/forward from #kubuntu-fr/#xubunut-fr to #ubuntu-fr few people would like to be able to continue as they were before
[01:04] <niko> -jeux-night is linked to -jeux
[01:05] <niko> it's the wolf channel of -jeux
[01:06] <McPeter> how say "sale gosse" in english ? :)
[01:06] <McPeter> *to
[01:06] <McPeter> in france we have many "sale gosse" :)
[01:07] <tsimpson> google suggests "brat"
[01:07] <JanC> I'm not sure those belong under #ubuntu  :P
[01:08] <IdleOne> McPeter: Au Quebec gosse veut dire testicule, pas sure de l'expression sale gosse
[01:08] <McPeter> IdleOne, HAHA
[01:08] <McPeter> no no !!
[01:09] <McPeter> "sale gosse" .. maybe : "bad child"
[01:09] <McPeter> if u understand ?
[01:09] <IdleOne> ahh ok, a little brat
[01:09] <JanC> "nasty boy/girl", something like that, yes
[01:10] <McPeter> for example .. in france . when people is brake .. he create channel derivated
[01:10] <McPeter> #ubuntu-fr vs ##ubuntu-fr
[01:10] <IdleOne> ah you mean trolls
[01:11] <McPeter> i don't know if you understand me .. :\
[01:11] <McPeter> IdleOne, mmh ..
[01:11] <McPeter> trolls vs idiot
[01:11] <IdleOne> yes, France has a large LoCo and sometimes people disagree with the official channel so they start their own channel
[01:12] <tsimpson> well, as long as their channels start with a ##...
[01:12] <McPeter> when we linkked #kubuntu-fr to #ubuntu-fr to centralise support
[01:12] <McPeter> 2-3 users create #kubuntu-fr-users
[01:12] <McPeter> to protected support and new ubuntu user .. we drop this channel
[01:12] <McPeter> and Ubuntu-fr-IRC register and linkked
[01:13] <tsimpson> hmm
[01:13] <McPeter> (i speak english same spanish cow) (french expression)
[01:13] <IdleOne> hahaha
[01:13] <IdleOne> I know that expression
[01:14] <McPeter> :p
[01:14]  * McPeter hides
[01:15] <IdleOne> you speak English well. I think what the issue is that there are some channels the the -fr team has that don't seem like they are needed.
[01:15] <IdleOne> the the??
[01:15] <IdleOne> that the*
[01:15] <McPeter> :)
[01:16] <IdleOne> I do that often
[01:16] <McPeter> hehe
[01:20] <tsimpson> McPeter: could you just drop an email to irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com requesting extended channel registration, and maybe a brief explanation?
[01:20] <tsimpson> I'd rather discuss it with the others than make a unilateral decision
[01:20] <tsimpson> and that way, I won't forget about it in the morning either
[01:21] <McPeter> ok
[19:39] <head_victim> Good morning all, I was wondering if I could please have my cloak updated to reflect my new Ubuntu Membership. My launchpad profile is available at https://launchpad.net/~jarednorris
[19:40] <serfus> irccouncil  ^
[19:41] <head_victim> serfus: thanks
[19:45] <serfus> hum.. guess it doesn't highlight them, or they are not available right now
[19:46] <head_victim> serfus: it's ok, I live in Australia so I'm used to just lurking for responses. That and it's still Sunday in most parts of the world.
[19:48] <serfus> ya.. seems like all of them are /away
[19:49] <head_victim> It's ok, I'll hide in the corner until someone pops in :)
[19:51] <serfus> you can do that. or better, pray to IRC gods :P
[19:52] <head_victim> Oh so the council aren't the gods? ;)
[19:52] <serfus> they might be saints... freenode staff should be IRC gods
[19:53] <head_victim> Ah oh course.
[20:25] <jussi> head_victim: we dont give australians cloaks :P :P :P
[20:25] <jussi> nah, Ill go sort it for you now
[20:26] <head_victim> jussi: hah that sounds about right :P
[20:26] <jussi> (I'm an Aussie ;D )
[20:26] <head_victim> Cheers, if we can keep the pdpc stuff that would be good
[20:26] <head_victim> I've seen you about the traps and google you so I almost feel like I know you :D
[20:26] <RawChid> Cool, I have the same request :) https://launchpad.net/~rachidbm
[20:27] <head_victim> I have a habit of checking up on lurkers in my spare time ;)
[20:27] <jussi> head_victim: everyone knows me :D
[20:28] <jussi> RawChid: on it :)
[20:29] <RawChid> Thanks :)
[20:29] <head_victim> jussi: you're still trying to work out if that's good or bad though right?
[20:29] <jussi> head_victim: no, its scary :P
[20:30] <jussi> head_victim: want ubuntu cloak first or second?
[20:30] <head_victim> Hah we're all friendly people :)
[20:31] <head_victim> jussi: umm is there a "standard" way of doing things?
[20:31] <jussi> head_victim: usually we do ubuntu/member/other cloak, but its really up to you.
[20:31] <head_victim> My main affiliation on here is to Ubuntu but I like to support PDPC for running the network I use so often.
[20:31] <jussi> head_victim: ok, lets put ubuntu first then
[20:31] <head_victim> Sounds splendid
[20:33] <RawChid> ubuntu/member is fine by me
[20:47] <RawChid> Great, thanks jussi
[21:23] <head_victim> Sounds splendid
[21:23] <head_victim> Hah wrong screen :/
[21:35] <head_victim> jussi: thanks btw, been successfully testing my wan failover so was in and out.