[03:09] <chris4585> anyone know how to turn off a indicator on gnome-panel?
[03:13] <wrst> chris4585 hmm that's a good question :)
[04:08] <cyberanger> chris4585: details may help
[04:09] <chris4585> cyberanger, the little mail icon is there with no menu entries, quite annoying its there for no reason
[04:14] <cyberanger> wrst: mail, the envelope?
[04:15] <cyberanger> err, whoops
[04:15] <cyberanger> chris4585: mail, the envelope?
[04:15] <chris4585> yes
[04:15] <cyberanger> if so, right click, remove from panel
[04:15] <chris4585> cyberanger, if I do that then I lose my volume icon
[04:16]  * chris4585 thinks its been a while since cyberanger has been on gnome
[04:17]  * cyberanger thinks he is typing this from lucid, gnome
[04:18] <chris4585> :O!!
[04:18]  * cyberanger thinks it just worked for him 5 minutes ago
[04:18] <chris4585> well that was my shock of the night
[04:18] <chris4585> yes well this is 10.10
[04:19] <chris4585> I love the indicators but in all seriousness the lack of gui options for them is very frustrating
[04:19] <cyberanger> chris4585: yeah, I personally favor other setups, openbox and lxde the most, but aim for stock so far (unity is making me wonder a little if lubuntu is going to become my stock support)
[04:20] <cyberanger> and my custom setups are not as popular at work, for the desktop rigs
[04:20] <cyberanger> chris4585: so it will not do that on 10.10?
[04:20] <chris4585> so you're saying you may try unity more?
[04:20] <chris4585> cyberanger, I don't believe so
[04:20] <cyberanger> I'm saying in it's current forum, it's not ready for new ubuntu users
[04:21] <cyberanger> so I will be, but the deal is, it's this or lubuntu, and lubuntu is winning atm
[04:21] <chris4585> ah
[04:21] <chris4585> what I can't stand is Unity is changing so much
[04:21] <cyberanger> chris4585: can you right click on the envelope and give me a list of options
[04:22] <chris4585> last week we got the blue ubuntu icon when there is a notification, I loved that! but now its just the tip of the corner is blue and I don't really like that as much..
[04:23] <chris4585> cyberanger, that wont work... the right click option for it defaults to the applet handler to remove it etc..
[04:23] <chris4585> and it wont remove it alone, it will remove the whole indicator applet
[04:23] <chris4585> with the volume Icon
[04:24] <cyberanger> did in my case too, overlooked that (which is fine, my case is set and done, icecast source client)
[04:25] <cyberanger> http://www.wiredrevolution.com/ubuntu/remove-the-envelope-icon-from-the-gnome-indicator-applet
[04:26] <chris4585> only if there was a gui to do that except to disable it
[04:27] <cyberanger> additional step, desired end result for us both (however since this is mostly pulseaudio and vlc, I could strip 9/10ths of this out and use alsamixer really, might as well leave it stock-ish)
[04:27] <cyberanger> chris4585: that package needs to go, if you can just disable it, that works too
[04:27] <chris4585> I think earlier I actually did remove that with a bunch of other things and accidentally removed gnome-panel with a few other things...
[04:28] <cyberanger> chris4585: I bet gconf has a boolean for it
[04:29] <cyberanger> lemme see
[04:29] <chris4585> probably
[04:29] <chris4585> but gconf just shouldn't be the only way
[04:33] <cyberanger> should vs is, ubuntu does some things that should be different in my mind at times
[04:33] <cyberanger> you might be right
[04:34] <cyberanger> but that is a point, it might be the only way
[04:37] <cyberanger> chris4585: right or wrong, http://www.wiredrevolution.com/ubuntu/remove-the-envelope-icon-from-the-gnome-indicator-applet method does work
[04:37] <cyberanger> so if we look in that, we can see what's able to be disabled
[04:37] <chris4585> indeed
[04:37] <cyberanger> instead of purging it
[04:38] <cyberanger> (however, honestly, I'd purge it anyhow, chat is on my server, ssh in, email is thunderbird, applet ignored, what else does it do worth anything)
[04:39] <chris4585> I'd rather purge it in reality
[04:39] <chris4585> but my argument was for the common person
[04:40] <cyberanger> yeah, I know
[04:41] <cyberanger> I guess in ubuntu's mind, common person wants window buttons on the left, like a mac
[04:41] <cyberanger> and the new indicator setup
[04:42] <cyberanger> despite how I hear alot to the contrary
[04:42] <chris4585> well after a week of using the window setup I didn't mind it actually I prefer it now since I have muscle memory built up
[04:42] <cyberanger> (and they have yet to do anything to really justify it)
[04:42] <chris4585> I figured I might as well not fight it
[04:42] <cyberanger> muscle memory, heh, works better when all match
[04:43] <cyberanger> and unfortunately, not so, I rarely see a mac in the shop
[04:43] <cyberanger> they break sure, but one out of 15 are mac, at best
[04:43] <chris4585> they kind of did, the indicators are designed to be on the right so in unity maximized windows's controls will be beside the ubuntu icon
[04:44] <cyberanger> so ubuntu is the odd ball
[04:44] <chris4585> lol
[04:44] <cyberanger> chris4585: unity perhaps
[04:44] <chris4585> I don't see why they couldn't be on the right but meh
[04:45] <chris4585> I honestly can't wait to give fedora 15 with gnome shell a shot
[04:45] <cyberanger> (I mean ubuntu is already the oddball, but I'm the linux guy, servers aside, not much is linux aside from my toolkits)
[04:51] <cyberanger> seems alot of us have thoughts of jumping ship
[04:52] <chris4585> oh I'm not jumping, just playing on the jungle gym
[04:53] <cyberanger> so far, same
[04:53] <cyberanger> but that's merely due to the way I run things, I'm not really doing things differently from debian
[23:57] <vychune> o/
[23:59] <cyberanger> hey vychune
[23:59] <vychune> evening