| ScottL | ailo, i'm hoping to test the -generic and -lowlatency kernels tomorrow morning before anyone wakes up | 04:11 |
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| ScottL | ailo, any suggestions on what you would like to see? | 04:11 |
| ailo | ScottL, You mean 2.6.39? | 04:11 |
| ScottL | ailo, any specifics you might want? | 04:11 |
| ScottL | yes for the -lowlatency 2.6.39 | 04:11 |
| ScottL | i don't even know if 2.6.39 -generic is available at this point | 04:12 |
| ailo | They were built wrong, so they are actually -generic kernels | 04:12 |
| ScottL | oh, okay, maybe not then | 04:12 |
| ailo | ScottL, They are a little unstable too. I get some crashes with them, so it might be a good idea to wait a little | 04:12 |
| ScottL | i'll wait, i'll spend the time playing with the ubuntustudio plymouth theme and see if i can suss out why it isn't working (at least for me) | 04:13 |
| ScottL | ailo, someone filed a bug about -controls not building for natty, i kinda laughed a little when i read that | 04:14 |
| ailo | ScottL, The original -controls? | 04:15 |
| ScottL | i'll respond to the bug report to say that -controls are no longer in the natty seeds and report the state of -controls | 04:15 |
| ScottL | ailo, i expect the original -controls | 04:15 |
| ScottL | bug 756080 | 04:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 756080 in ubuntustudio-controls (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio-controls version 0.4.7build1 failed to build on i386" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756080 | 04:16 |
| ScottL | i might just change the importance at this point so nobody gets worried about something that isn't even going on the image for natty | 04:16 |
| ScottL | maybe this is because of the new gcc, maybe not, just thinking about all the trouble falktx has been having | 04:17 |
| ailo | ScottL, I can take that bug, if you don't mind, since I'm already doing two others on that | 04:17 |
| ScottL | ailo, oh sure :) | 04:20 |
| ScottL | ailo, if you can't change the importance just let me know | 04:20 |
| ailo | ScottL, That I can't. But, I did change it to invalid, and made a comment | 04:22 |
| ailo | Though, perhaps invalid is not right, after all? | 04:24 |
| ScottL | i'm not really sure myself | 04:59 |
| ailo | ScottL, I will take another look later. At least I will have to explain why it shouldn't be built for Natty. | 05:02 |
| ailo | Unless, one is changing the source | 05:02 |
| ailo | And, what is that they are building? It's python, so he must only be trying to build the package | 05:03 |
| ailo | ScottL, I deem it invalid, because he is trying to build a package for Natty that won't be included in Natty. | 05:08 |
| Kokito | hello folks | 05:46 |
| ailo | Hey Kokito | 05:54 |
| Kokito | hey ailo | 06:03 |
| ailo | sup? | 06:03 |
| Kokito | not much ailo | 06:09 |
| Kokito | relaxing after having a good plate of spinach ravioli for dinner | 06:10 |
| * ailo had some waffles before with coffee, while working on some puredata code | 06:11 | |
| Kokito | ailo: am I right to assume that you are somewhere in Europe? | 06:15 |
| ailo | Kokito, Gothenburg, Sweden | 06:17 |
| ailo | Kokito, Kokito sounds Japanese | 06:17 |
| Kokito | ah, cool. I am in northern California, about 100km east of San Francisco | 06:18 |
| Kokito | ailo: Kokito is the diminutive of Koki, which was my nickname when I was a child :) | 06:18 |
| Kokito | although I am kind of half-Japanese, not ethnically, but in spirity, because I lived there for about 23 years :) | 06:19 |
| ailo | Kokito, Wow. Then you must be. I find there is some resemblance between my country men and Japanese people. I'm really a Finn, but grew up in Sweden. | 06:20 |
| ailo | No samurais in Finland, though | 06:21 |
| Kokito | hehe :) | 06:22 |
| Kokito | I did hear something to the effect that finns and Japanese have some commonalities, but I am not sure what they are | 06:23 |
| ailo | Kokito, The language is somewhat similar. But, not directly. Also, there are some cultural peculiarities that show in statistics. Higher suicide rate amongst other things | 06:25 |
| ailo | The language may be related, but the trail goes back really far. Turkish and Japanese are probably related, and Finno-Ugric is probably related to Turkish | 06:26 |
| ailo | The grammatics is what makes them similar | 06:27 |
| Kokito | interesting | 06:30 |
| Kokito | that would make it easy for me to learn the Finnish language then :) | 06:31 |
| ailo | Kokito, I would think so. They are phonetically similar too. I saw a Japanese comedy show where they would call up Finnish people using a phone book, laughing at their last names, cause they meant something funny in Japanese | 06:33 |
| ailo | Kokito, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeCOzpYXrKE | 06:34 |
| * Kokito is watching | 06:35 | |
| Kokito | ailo: it is funny | 06:35 |
| ScottL | ailo, gnome3 "superkey and start typing app name" way of opening a file has good things and bad things | 14:13 |
| ScottL | to start firefox was quick :) | 14:13 |
| ScottL | to start terminal was not :( | 14:13 |
| ScottL | for firefox i hit "super" "fire" and pushed the enter key...viola, firefox was up -> nice :) | 14:14 |
| ScottL | for terminal i hit "super" "terminal" and pushed enter....booo, i got terminal services -> argh :( | 14:14 |
| ailo | I was able to use the word terminal, and it's searching at the same time I type, on Unity. I can then use the arrows to choose the terminal | 14:15 |
| ScottL | i tried "super" "terminal" tab key, then enter (thinking it might jump over to terminal from terminal services...didn't work | 14:15 |
| ScottL | ah, didn't try the arrow key, i can do that after it installs the studio packages | 14:15 |
| ailo | The lauchers appear under the search field for me | 14:15 |
| ailo | But, I would want those functions to be even smarte | 14:16 |
| ailo | smarter* | 14:16 |
| ScottL | it does under gnome3, just in the small panel on the left instead of the main screen | 14:16 |
| ailo | Also, I realized that I need to choose a category, before apps that weren't installed appear as search results. | 14:16 |
| ScottL | if i'm going to the trouble to take my hand of the mouse i want to make sure i can complete my task without putting it back on the mouse :/ | 14:16 |
| ailo | I feel I can do that, but not with perfect smoothness | 14:17 |
| ScottL | i'm still leaning towards the thought that having a small set of definable icons that the use can change their visibility based on a "category" that only requires one click (perhaps two at most) to launch an applicaiton is better, faster, easier | 14:17 |
| ailo | I don't feel one needs to exclude the other, but I don't know what quick-launcher-bars will work under these systems | 14:18 |
| ailo | wbar didn't seem to work under Unity | 14:19 |
| ScottL | i'm also worried that the gnome3 that i'm using is a generation or so behind the gnome3 that was released this week | 14:19 |
| ScottL | therefore, to make an accurate test of gnome3 i might have to wait until it is released properly for natty | 14:20 |
| ailo | Waiting for Alpha 1 is a long wait. One would want to try on the system before that, but then it won't probably be very stable. | 14:21 |
| ScottL | but i would hope it's feature set would be more complete, even if unstable | 14:23 |
| ScottL | i just realized that i did not just try to search for gnome3 packages in synaptic while under natty, i kept trying "tutorials" on the web that suggested various PPA's | 14:24 |
| ScottL | i might find gnome3 just under synaptic in natty now :P | 14:24 |
| ailo | ScottL, Since Gnome3 will include the classic desktop, that is also an option for Oneiric | 14:25 |
| ailo | At least, I think it will include it | 14:25 |
| ScottL | that's a good question, it's unfortunate that shuttleworth and the "inner circle" aren't very vocal about what their direction is :/ | 14:29 |
| ScottL | i suppose it is possible that they don't have a definitive directions and are waiting to see how things "develop" (sorry for the pun) | 14:30 |
| ailo | ScottL, I'm sure they need some user experience | 14:31 |
| ScottL | i don't know, i'm starting to read some criticism of canonical not including community in decisions from quarters that have been, unto now, quite biased towards ubuntu/canonical | 14:32 |
| ScottL | i don't want to be misunderstood, i believe wayland is a good move ultimately, x is old and retains crap loads of legacy code | 14:33 |
| ScottL | but i don't like being blindsided by some of the decisions, especially when we are trying to develop an officially recognized flavour of ubuntu | 14:34 |
| ailo | It's like they are being a little bold, and making waved. I hope this will lead to faster progress. After all, the changes seem to be pretty big | 14:34 |
| ailo | waves* | 14:34 |
| ScottL | right | 14:35 |
| ScottL | but my point is that if they are making long term decisions, it would be nice to be involved slightly, even if just a courtesy email as a "head up" | 14:35 |
| ScottL | i realize we are such a niche flavour, we don't get mentioned much in magazines unless it's a special about ubuntu studio, i routinely see the rote "ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, mythbuntu" tag | 14:36 |
| ScottL | but i also wonder how much consideration the other flavours received in the decision making process, i'm presuming not much | 14:37 |
| ScottL | which i understand for kubuntu and xubuntu for the most part, they use different DE's | 14:37 |
| ailo | Yeah, don't think KDE is affected in any way. | 14:38 |
| ailo | And perhaps not XFCE either | 14:38 |
| ScottL | if we could get the documentation in order and really, really organized and effective | 14:40 |
| ScottL | if we could update the website so that it is suave and new and compelling | 14:40 |
| ScottL | if we could blitz the media with emails, blogs, maybe even interviews (and i mean even emailing published magazines) | 14:41 |
| ScottL | even sending emails to linux outlaws, canonical or jono | 14:41 |
| ScottL | i think we could step up respect for ubuntu studio | 14:41 |
| ScottL | get more people involved and active | 14:41 |
| ailo | ScottL, It would be really great if Oneiric was a release where US turns a leaf and becomes a truly well supported multimedia system | 14:41 |
| ScottL | but the distro would need to be lean, efficient, and effective | 14:42 |
| ScottL | ailo, yes, it would | 14:42 |
| ScottL | :) | 14:42 |
| ailo | ScottL, I'm on the boat and determined to get documentation and -controls in order. | 14:42 |
| ScottL | that's awesome! | 14:42 |
| ScottL | i really, really, really (really!) appreciate you involvement | 14:43 |
| ScottL | you and old holstein are the two most involved people | 14:43 |
| ScottL | alessio is too, but it's rather specific of course ;) | 14:43 |
| ScottL | if we could get a better grip on the other multimedia parts of studio i bet i could even setup an interview with libre grahics magazine | 14:44 |
| ailo | ScottL, Well. I'm really happy to be involved. Once you see what needs to be done, you just to get it done. The unfinished work is like a bad dream, you want to get rid of ;) | 14:44 |
| ScottL | they have already offered us a full-page advert for free :) | 14:44 |
| ScottL | ailo, aye, it's the "getting it done" part that troubles most people | 14:45 |
| ScottL | they have good intentions but it seems that most of them require someone to tell them how to do it step-by-step | 14:45 |
| ScottL | which is not bad if it's one or two people :P | 14:45 |
| ailo | This time around, I'm ahead of what I need to know in order to work things out. Natty was too much at once for me | 14:46 |
| ailo | So, I can forgive myself on account of that | 14:46 |
| ScottL | lol, yeah it was a lot to do in one cycle :) | 14:46 |
| ScottL | hmmm, i just realized that i probably broke my gnome3 install by installing ubuntustudio-default-settings | 14:48 |
| ScottL | it will try to adjust the menu and panels :( | 14:48 |
| ScottL | i should have just installed ardour and let it pull in the required dependencies :/ | 14:48 |
| ailo | ScottL, Did you see Ralfs last post? I think he might be warming up on the idea of using a preempt kernel without the realtime patch :P | 14:49 |
| ailo | Since Rui had good things to say about it, if nothing else | 14:49 |
| ScottL | i saw that i had email and that he was one of them | 14:49 |
| ScottL | ralf seems very smart, just seems to have some trouble interfacing with people sometimes | 14:50 |
| ailo | He has an unusual way of getting his point across. | 14:52 |
| ScottL | he certainly seems very, very knowledgeable | 15:02 |
| ScottL | eh, all the studio apps installed okay on gnome3, but it's still a pain to switch between the apps | 15:31 |
| ScottL | but of course that is the gnome3 on maverick which may not be the best testing platform | 15:33 |
| ailo | ScottL, If I have an objection against Unity (and will have to try Gnome3 to find out) its' not being able to switch apps easily. | 15:43 |
| ailo | I use Alt + Tab, but it's a little slow and hard to identify the open windows | 15:44 |
| ailo | I would rather it just brought up a window on top, instead of showing a list of small windows | 15:44 |
| ailo | I'll be gone for most of the day. See you later.. | 15:45 |
| rlameiro | evening | 23:47 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: ping | 23:52 |
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