| orngjce223 | What I learned today: JACK /hates/ being suspended, qjackctl does not interact well with having a sudo or a gksudo in a startup script (so I have to run that manually), and ALSA loves to latch onto my sound card and /not let go/ until the ports have been pried from its cold dead hands. | 03:07 |
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| orngjce223 | Other than that, it's flawless. | 03:09 |
| orngjce223 | :v | 03:12 |
| orngjce223 | But yeah. The last 10%. I like having Pulse funnel into JACK with minimal effort, certainly, the thing is there's so many other components in here that no one piece is the solution. | 03:12 |
| orngjce223 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/756254 | 03:51 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 756254 in qjackctl (Ubuntu) "cannot use "sudo" or "gksudo" in the commands qjackctl runs before starting jackd" [Undecided,New] | 03:51 |
| orngjce223 | ...Okay, browsing a little bit more, that's not exactly the writing style that other people who write bugs use. I thought "the way I write when I write recipes, so as to minimize confusion", which I suppose is suitable but not suitable /enough/. | 03:52 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Could be killing pulse is what causes qjackctl to crash, because qjackctl suspends pulse | 03:54 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Why are you killing pulse btw? | 03:55 |
| ailo | orngjce223, I didn't realize you meant a startup script in qjackctl (maybe I misread before). I thought you meant like startup script at login | 03:56 |
| ailo | So, don't think it's sudo or gksudo that affects qjackctl, since the script isn't directly related to qjackctl. It does affect pulse, however | 03:57 |
| orngjce223 | Well, see, if I don't kill pulse, the startup script doesn't work just the same, I think it's the sudo. | 04:04 |
| ailo | orngjce223, I'm pretty sure it's not sudo. You could try using sudo for something else just to confimr | 04:05 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Isn't qjackctl suspending pulse, or isn't it doing that because you have a custom launcher? | 04:05 |
| ailo | Can't verify that at the moment | 04:06 |
| ailo | sudo won't work unless you are able to give a password in a terminal, so you would need to use gksudo with a couple of arguments | 04:06 |
| ailo | Like: gksudo -kA | 04:07 |
| orngjce223 | Hmm. | 04:08 |
| orngjce223 | I'll look into gksudo arguments | 04:08 |
| holstein | yeah, dont suspend with jack orngjce223 :) | 04:09 |
| orngjce223 | Haha, yeah. | 04:09 |
| holstein | JACK is really a use as-needed tool | 04:09 |
| holstein | i say | 04:09 |
| holstein | i had https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/756254 | 04:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 756254 in qjackctl (Ubuntu) "cannot use "sudo" or "gksudo" in the commands qjackctl runs before starting jackd" [Undecided,New] | 04:10 |
| holstein | on my EEE | 04:11 |
| holstein | an update seems to have fixed it though | 04:11 |
| holstein | dinner.. BBL | 04:11 |
| orngjce223 | Don't get me wrong, jack's cool, but yeah, it's definitely one of those things you don't want on /every/ desktop because it's so optimized for niche purposes. | 04:13 |
| semitones | hey -- is there a guide to how to use USB keyboards in linux? | 04:18 |
| semitones | I got jackd, but i'm not sure if it's the right tool | 04:18 |
| * orngjce223 turns logging on, this might be a useful ansewr | 04:19 | |
| semitones | hehe | 04:19 |
| semitones | orngjce223, ok here's how you do it | 04:23 |
| semitones | you open up JACK | 04:23 |
| semitones | and click "connect" -- then you find your usb keyboard on the lefthand list | 04:23 |
| semitones | and the program you want on the right hand list | 04:23 |
| semitones | select both and hit connect :D | 04:23 |
| orngjce223 | Cool. | 04:25 |
| semitones | orngjce223, do you remember how to get the low latency kernel? | 04:26 |
| ailo | orngjce223, Did you try: pasuspender -- jackd -bla -bla | 04:26 |
| ailo | semitones, What system are you on? | 04:26 |
| orngjce223 | semitones, I believe the package is linux-preempt | 04:26 |
| semitones | I'm on standard 10.10 64bit right now | 04:27 |
| semitones | my keyboard doesn't sound very responsive, so i don't know what else to do except a low latency kernel | 04:27 |
| ailo | semitones, There's no low latency kernels for that release, but it is possible to use a natty kernel, however, I would rather either just use Lucid or Natty instead | 04:28 |
| semitones | yeah i would probably just use natty :P | 04:28 |
| ailo | semitones, Have you tried adjusting frames/period ? | 04:29 |
| semitones | ailo, no, how would I do that? | 04:29 |
| ailo | Don't know what is the lowest you can use without getting xruns, but if you're lucky, 256 frames/period | 04:29 |
| ailo | semitones, In qjackctl -> Setup | 04:32 |
| ailo | Look for frames/period. Try with 128. If it works, great. Otherwise raise it | 04:33 |
| ailo | It's part of what decides your latency | 04:33 |
| ailo | You'll see in the lower part of the setup window, what latency you get | 04:33 |
| semitones | it was on \1024, so i'm trying 256 | 04:34 |
| semitones | this is a little better :) | 04:34 |
| semitones | 11.6 msec latency now | 04:34 |
| ailo | That's not bad | 04:34 |
| ailo | No xruns? | 04:34 |
| semitones | would I know if I had xruns? | 04:35 |
| orngjce223 | They would show up in the messages window and/or as the red number to the left of the qjackctl display thing. | 04:36 |
| ailo | semitones, You'll see them in the qjackctl message window, as well as on qjackctl itself. Red numbers showing how many xruns so far. Also, you'll often hear them. | 04:36 |
| semitones | well i don't see any yet | 04:37 |
| ailo | semitones, 11 ms is not too bad, and if you can get 128 frames/period you don't need a low latency kernel. May depend on what programs you use, though | 04:37 |
| semitones | is it safe to try lower frames/period? | 04:37 |
| semitones | ailo, yeah because there still seems to be significant delay with using amSynth | 04:38 |
| ailo | semitones, The only bad thing that can happen is that you hear crackle in the sound, or jack crashes, in which case you just start it again | 04:38 |
| semitones | cool | 04:38 |
| semitones | so what kind of music do people do here? | 04:40 |
| ailo | All kinds, I would expect | 04:40 |
| ailo | semitones, Did you check out #opensourcemusicians ? | 04:40 |
| semitones | headin there now :P | 04:40 |
| semitones | when natty is released, could I run natty studio from USB | 04:41 |
| semitones | like regular ubuntu | 04:42 |
| semitones | or just convert regular ubuntu to ubuntu studio | 04:42 |
| ailo | semitones, Maybe, but it isn't mean to be. At least you can't have a persistent usb | 04:42 |
| ailo | We're hoping to have a live DVD for the release after that | 04:42 |
| semitones | ailo, nice :D | 04:43 |
| semitones | yeah i'd like to just see what the operating system feels like before installing | 04:43 |
| semitones | and i don't have a dvd drive :) | 04:43 |
| frigOvuotO_ | ciao ci sono italiani per ubuntustudio? | 14:06 |
| ailo | frigOvuotO_, Don't think the Ubuntu Studio community is big enough for multiple languages, unless you find someone who speaks Italian. I know there are a couple of people who do. | 14:23 |
| rayo11 | hola | 15:49 |
| holstein | o/ | 15:56 |
| frigOvuotO__ | help me for winasio in the software guitar rig 4 + jack | 16:16 |
| holstein | frigOvuotO__: whats that? | 16:16 |
| holstein | is that effects for guitar? | 16:17 |
| holstein | the offical native tools are guitarix and rakarrack | 16:17 |
| holstein | i use rakarrack for effects on other instruments | 16:17 |
| frigOvuotO__ | rakarrack distorsion and volumi troppo alti non prende il suono dalla mia chitarra | 16:18 |
| holstein | its great, full-featured, well supported, and light-weight :) | 16:18 |
| holstein | frigOvuotO__: you need to catch rlameiro | 16:18 |
| holstein | i think he speaks italian | 16:18 |
| holstein | frigOvuotO__: you speak spanish? | 16:18 |
| frigOvuotO__ | preferisco spanish thanks | 16:19 |
| holstein | frigOvuotO__: you could try #musix | 16:20 |
| holstein | they are nice folks | 16:20 |
| holstein | its based on ubuntu | 16:20 |
| holstein | and they are spanish speaking almost exclusively | 16:20 |
| frigOvuotO__ | asp traduco con google | 16:21 |
| holstein | winasio :/ | 16:22 |
| holstein | JACK :) | 16:22 |
| frigOvuotO__ | hello, anyone has ever installed and configured the libraries winasio.dll, I use guitar rig with four wine and jack .... my problem is that I hear too much distortion and Rumer background amplified the effects themselves .. | 16:23 |
| frigOvuotO__ | you know how I can fix? | 16:23 |
| holstein | my suggestion would be *not* using winasio | 16:24 |
| frigOvuotO__ | non usare? e becouse? | 16:25 |
| holstein | the native tools in linux are better | 16:25 |
| holstein | in linux | 16:25 |
| holstein | frigOvuotO__: if you can catch someone over in #kxstudio | 16:26 |
| holstein | those guys use a lot of windows apps | 16:26 |
| holstein | *some of them do | 16:26 |
| frigOvuotO__ | the effect rig 4 is the best | 16:26 |
| holstein | frigOvuotO__: call or email them | 16:27 |
| holstein | and ask for linux support | 16:27 |
| frigOvuotO__ | why linux no have effects the guitar rig 4? | 16:27 |
| frigOvuotO__ | i have teamviewer for enter in my computer | 16:28 |
| holstein | i assure you, no one envolved with linux | 16:29 |
| holstein | is keeping guitar rig from you | 16:29 |
| holstein | you can try | 16:29 |
| holstein | http://www.native-instruments.com/en/company/contact-ni/ | 16:29 |
| holstein | ^ and ask them to make a linux version | 16:29 |
| holstein | rakarrack seems to work great for me | 16:30 |
| holstein | between that and guitarix | 16:30 |
| frigOvuotO__ | http://www.native-instruments.com/en/search/#/?q=linux | 16:32 |
| frigOvuotO__ | :) | 16:32 |
| frigOvuotO__ | For more information on ALSA drivers, please see here. | 16:33 |
| frigOvuotO__ | All Native Instruments ALSA drivers are listed here. ......the firts o the second?? | 16:33 |
| holstein | http://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/compatibility/linux/ | 16:33 |
| holstein | cool | 16:33 |
| holstein | thats nice of them | 16:34 |
| holstein | i think the break down is that you are either trying a product that doesnt have linux support | 16:34 |
| holstein | or, you are trying to use it with winasio | 16:34 |
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