[03:07] What I learned today: JACK /hates/ being suspended, qjackctl does not interact well with having a sudo or a gksudo in a startup script (so I have to run that manually), and ALSA loves to latch onto my sound card and /not let go/ until the ports have been pried from its cold dead hands. [03:09] Other than that, it's flawless. [03:12] :v [03:12] But yeah. The last 10%. I like having Pulse funnel into JACK with minimal effort, certainly, the thing is there's so many other components in here that no one piece is the solution. [03:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/756254 [03:51] Ubuntu bug 756254 in qjackctl (Ubuntu) "cannot use "sudo" or "gksudo" in the commands qjackctl runs before starting jackd" [Undecided,New] [03:52] ...Okay, browsing a little bit more, that's not exactly the writing style that other people who write bugs use. I thought "the way I write when I write recipes, so as to minimize confusion", which I suppose is suitable but not suitable /enough/. [03:54] orngjce223, Could be killing pulse is what causes qjackctl to crash, because qjackctl suspends pulse [03:55] orngjce223, Why are you killing pulse btw? [03:56] orngjce223, I didn't realize you meant a startup script in qjackctl (maybe I misread before). I thought you meant like startup script at login [03:57] So, don't think it's sudo or gksudo that affects qjackctl, since the script isn't directly related to qjackctl. It does affect pulse, however [04:04] Well, see, if I don't kill pulse, the startup script doesn't work just the same, I think it's the sudo. [04:05] orngjce223, I'm pretty sure it's not sudo. You could try using sudo for something else just to confimr [04:05] orngjce223, Isn't qjackctl suspending pulse, or isn't it doing that because you have a custom launcher? [04:06] Can't verify that at the moment [04:06] sudo won't work unless you are able to give a password in a terminal, so you would need to use gksudo with a couple of arguments [04:07] Like: gksudo -kA [04:08] Hmm. [04:08] I'll look into gksudo arguments [04:09] yeah, dont suspend with jack orngjce223 :) [04:09] Haha, yeah. [04:09] JACK is really a use as-needed tool [04:09] i say [04:10] i had https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/756254 [04:10] Ubuntu bug 756254 in qjackctl (Ubuntu) "cannot use "sudo" or "gksudo" in the commands qjackctl runs before starting jackd" [Undecided,New] [04:11] on my EEE [04:11] an update seems to have fixed it though [04:11] dinner.. BBL [04:13] Don't get me wrong, jack's cool, but yeah, it's definitely one of those things you don't want on /every/ desktop because it's so optimized for niche purposes. [04:18] hey -- is there a guide to how to use USB keyboards in linux? [04:18] I got jackd, but i'm not sure if it's the right tool [04:19] * orngjce223 turns logging on, this might be a useful ansewr [04:19] hehe [04:23] orngjce223, ok here's how you do it [04:23] you open up JACK [04:23] and click "connect" -- then you find your usb keyboard on the lefthand list [04:23] and the program you want on the right hand list [04:23] select both and hit connect :D [04:25] Cool. [04:26] orngjce223, do you remember how to get the low latency kernel? [04:26] orngjce223, Did you try: pasuspender -- jackd -bla -bla [04:26] semitones, What system are you on? [04:26] semitones, I believe the package is linux-preempt [04:27] I'm on standard 10.10 64bit right now [04:27] my keyboard doesn't sound very responsive, so i don't know what else to do except a low latency kernel [04:28] semitones, There's no low latency kernels for that release, but it is possible to use a natty kernel, however, I would rather either just use Lucid or Natty instead [04:28] yeah i would probably just use natty :P [04:29] semitones, Have you tried adjusting frames/period ? [04:29] ailo, no, how would I do that? [04:29] Don't know what is the lowest you can use without getting xruns, but if you're lucky, 256 frames/period [04:32] semitones, In qjackctl -> Setup [04:33] Look for frames/period. Try with 128. If it works, great. Otherwise raise it [04:33] It's part of what decides your latency [04:33] You'll see in the lower part of the setup window, what latency you get [04:34] it was on \1024, so i'm trying 256 [04:34] this is a little better :) [04:34] 11.6 msec latency now [04:34] That's not bad [04:34] No xruns? [04:35] would I know if I had xruns? [04:36] They would show up in the messages window and/or as the red number to the left of the qjackctl display thing. [04:36] semitones, You'll see them in the qjackctl message window, as well as on qjackctl itself. Red numbers showing how many xruns so far. Also, you'll often hear them. [04:37] well i don't see any yet [04:37] semitones, 11 ms is not too bad, and if you can get 128 frames/period you don't need a low latency kernel. May depend on what programs you use, though [04:37] is it safe to try lower frames/period? [04:38] ailo, yeah because there still seems to be significant delay with using amSynth [04:38] semitones, The only bad thing that can happen is that you hear crackle in the sound, or jack crashes, in which case you just start it again [04:38] cool [04:40] so what kind of music do people do here? [04:40] All kinds, I would expect [04:40] semitones, Did you check out #opensourcemusicians ? [04:40] headin there now :P [04:41] when natty is released, could I run natty studio from USB [04:42] like regular ubuntu [04:42] or just convert regular ubuntu to ubuntu studio [04:42] semitones, Maybe, but it isn't mean to be. At least you can't have a persistent usb [04:42] We're hoping to have a live DVD for the release after that [04:43] ailo, nice :D [04:43] yeah i'd like to just see what the operating system feels like before installing [04:43] and i don't have a dvd drive :) [14:06] ciao ci sono italiani per ubuntustudio? [14:23] frigOvuotO_, Don't think the Ubuntu Studio community is big enough for multiple languages, unless you find someone who speaks Italian. I know there are a couple of people who do. [15:49] hola [15:56] o/ [16:16] help me for winasio in the software guitar rig 4 + jack [16:16] frigOvuotO__: whats that? [16:17] is that effects for guitar? [16:17] the offical native tools are guitarix and rakarrack [16:17] i use rakarrack for effects on other instruments [16:18] rakarrack distorsion and volumi troppo alti non prende il suono dalla mia chitarra [16:18] its great, full-featured, well supported, and light-weight :) [16:18] frigOvuotO__: you need to catch rlameiro [16:18] i think he speaks italian [16:18] frigOvuotO__: you speak spanish? [16:19] preferisco spanish thanks [16:20] frigOvuotO__: you could try #musix [16:20] they are nice folks [16:20] its based on ubuntu [16:20] and they are spanish speaking almost exclusively [16:21] asp traduco con google [16:22] winasio :/ [16:22] JACK :) [16:23] hello, anyone has ever installed and configured the libraries winasio.dll, I use guitar rig with four wine and jack .... my problem is that I hear too much distortion and Rumer background amplified the effects themselves .. [16:23] you know how I can fix? [16:24] my suggestion would be *not* using winasio [16:25] non usare? e becouse? [16:25] the native tools in linux are better [16:25] in linux [16:26] frigOvuotO__: if you can catch someone over in #kxstudio [16:26] those guys use a lot of windows apps [16:26] *some of them do [16:26] the effect rig 4 is the best [16:27] frigOvuotO__: call or email them [16:27] and ask for linux support [16:27] why linux no have effects the guitar rig 4? [16:28] i have teamviewer for enter in my computer [16:29] i assure you, no one envolved with linux [16:29] is keeping guitar rig from you [16:29] you can try [16:29] http://www.native-instruments.com/en/company/contact-ni/ [16:29] ^ and ask them to make a linux version [16:30] rakarrack seems to work great for me [16:30] between that and guitarix [16:32] http://www.native-instruments.com/en/search/#/?q=linux [16:32] :) [16:33] For more information on ALSA drivers, please see here. [16:33] All Native Instruments ALSA drivers are listed here. ......the firts o the second?? [16:33] http://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/compatibility/linux/ [16:33] cool [16:34] thats nice of them [16:34] i think the break down is that you are either trying a product that doesnt have linux support [16:34] or, you are trying to use it with winasio === frederickjh is now known as frederickjh_away === frederickjh is now known as frederickjh_away