[03:24] apachelogger: ping [04:20] this imagebin http://imagebin.org/147560 is of time when I was switching my workspace, why I am getting the options menu in b/w :/ [04:20] Riddell: ^^ [04:46] ^^ Problem fixed on rebooting. [05:13] anybody else having problems with shutdown in 4.6.2? [05:13] ever since installing it, my laptop doesn't ever shut down [05:13] valorie: Fix was uploaded yesterday. [05:13] ah, ok [05:14] I'd wait until Tuesday to update though. [05:14] ok [05:14] Beta 2 freeze is in ~4 hours and so who knows what crap people are shoving in right now. [05:14] indeed [05:45] can anyone please look at this imagebin http://imagebin.org/147565 earlier I was getting something kind of menu while switching workspaces and now I am getting image or yakuake while switching workspaces :/ [05:48] /s/or/of [05:48] /s/or/of/ [05:48] s/or/of/ [05:48] c2tarun meant: "/s/of/of/" [05:48] :/ [08:16] Riddell and apachelogger: I finally got motivated and uploade 4.5.5 to -proposed. I would appreciate it if one of you would upload the language packs since you know all about the magic script (4.5.5 lang packs never got uploaded to the PPA, so I guess from ktown). [08:16] Bug #757065 [08:16] Launchpad bug 757065 in oxygen-icons (Ubuntu) "Tracking bug for SRU update of KDE to 4.5.5 in Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757065 [08:23] ScottK: what is -proposed? and by language pack do you mean kde-l10n? [08:23] Yes. [08:24] It's the archive pocket for testing post release changes before they are released for all users in -updates. [08:24] ScottK: I packed it for maverick 4.6.2, may be I can do it for 4.5.5 as welll [08:25] c2tarun: No. I need someone who has upload rights to the main Ubuntu archive to do it. [08:25] Thanks for offering though. [08:26] ScottK: oh.. :) np === JohnFlux__ is now known as JohnFlux === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:24] morning [09:40] Is there a way to be sure that an e-mail is not a fake ? (without gpg signing) [09:52] bambee, do you know how to read email headers? [09:52] if you have a bunch from the person, and can compare, that is pretty good, I would say [09:54] valorie: I can save it as ".eml" from my e-mails client and read the header [09:54] (correct me If I am wrong) [09:55] sad -- you used to just be able to do a key combo, and see them all [09:55] in kmail too [09:55] but kmail doesn't work for me anymore [09:55] :( [09:56] I use thunderbird [09:56] * bambee hides [09:56] heh [09:56] I used to use Mozilla [09:57] until it lost like 9 months of my mail [09:57] o_O [09:59] yeah [09:59] from then on I went to IMAP on our own server [10:01] bambee: just press ctrl+u if you want to see the headers [10:01] debfx: thanks [10:02] that's the bit, yeah [10:05] agateau: I've filed and fixed bug #755537 in Ubuntu. Hopefully my bug description is accurate enough so you can fix it easily upstream. [10:05] Launchpad bug 755537 in Plasma Widget Message Indicator "Indicator icon turns green when clicking on it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755537 [10:07] debfx: interesting, I can't reproduce the bug, though. do you run the applet in the systemtray or standalone? [10:07] apachelogger, around? I'm adding a short description about the UADW sessions today. Do you want me to say something in particular about your session on plasma widgets? [10:09] agateau: standalone but I can only reliably reproduce it in plasmoidviewer [10:10] happy beta freeze [10:12] agateau: on my desktop (at home) I can reproduce it when the applet runs in the systemtray... at least I reproduced it few days ago... I did not try recently [10:13] apachelogger: I've uploaded kde4libs now, it would still be good if you could have a look at it [10:19] it is surprising how many stupid people you can meet in only 2 hours [10:19] debfx: the patch is goody [10:20] although I am a bit concerned that it does a qstring compare [10:20] maybe the patch should be dropped :P [10:20] valorie: "Authentification-Results" looks good (apparently I need to check it), it's not a fake... wow... o_O [10:22] dpm: let me get more coffee and I'll tell you :) [10:25] apachelogger, no worries, take your time :) [10:38] dpm: Plasma is the shell of the KDE Software Collection and available for many different form factors, it is almost entirely built out of widgets. Harald will show you how to create such amazing widgets, with surprisingly little code, to enrich your desktop experience and maybe even share with others. [10:38] how is that? [10:40] bambee -- as I recall, it is up to the mail server whether or not that is worthwhile or not [10:40] haven't discussed it with my son recently, since we don't have mail set up on our server now [10:41] since kmail doesn't work, there didn't seem much point [10:49] valorie: so it's not really a proof ? [10:50] apachelogger, that sounds wonderful, thanks :) [10:50] I would do some research before trusting it, yes [10:50] unfortunately [10:51] perhaps some of the bigger ISPs have finally started doing authentication [10:51] <\sh> apachelogger: angeber ;) [10:51] which would be great [10:51] they were not a couple of years ago [10:51] \sh: what did I do? [10:51] the description? [10:52] <\sh> apachelogger: yeah ;) [10:52] apachelogger: where did you find all the stupid people? [10:52] \sh: well, I am in management :P [10:52] stuff needs to get sold ;) [10:52] valorie: university [10:53] <\sh> apachelogger: hehe :) yes :) I know the management slang...it's disgusting ;) [10:53] that's where the smart people hang out, I thought? === EqS is now known as EgS [10:53] they put the stupid there, in Austria? [10:54] <\sh> not only in austria... [10:54] \sh: lolz, you geeks are all the same :P [10:54] heh [10:54] valorie: it is moron central really [10:54] if you dont feel like working -> go to university [10:56] you're destroying my faith in education! [10:57] <\sh> how many IT students you need to write a good and valid timezone calculation? 10 and still the result is/will be always wrong...because they don't know what DST is *bhod* [10:57] actually, I have no faith in education [10:57] only learning [10:57] * apachelogger has no faith in DST [10:57] * apachelogger supports the UTC everywhere movement [10:58] \sh, valorie: what widget should I make today? [10:59] <\sh> apachelogger: believe me, you will scream: Java Dev: "We are now in UTC+2, right?" Me: "No, we are not in UTC+2, we are still UTC+1" "But we have 10:00am, and UTC time is 08:00am, so we are" "No, fool, it's UTC+1 + DST" "What is DST?" "Bah, go away, you stink" [11:00] * apachelogger giggles [11:00] java [11:00] * apachelogger giggles some moar [11:00] <\sh> apachelogger: angry birds on plasma? or "Slice It on Plasma"? I'm addicted [11:00] knock knock [11:00] I'm pretty sure your favorite is Where is my Pr0n? [11:01] hmmm [11:01] \sh: no idea what the latter is [11:01] but that presumably isn't suitable for a class [11:01] <\sh> apachelogger: andoird market -> search -> slice it [11:01] meh [11:02] for angry birds the physics would take too long to work out [11:02] though generally possible with qml & plasma [11:02] valorie: so you say :P [11:03] <\sh> apachelogger: then "rewrite" http://www.phoboslab.org/ztype/ in c++ or python, pls [11:03] * apachelogger only does jahavascript [11:03] * apachelogger is a jahava witness [11:07] gah, brain has died [11:07] sleeeeep [11:07] plasma active [11:07] * apachelogger feels a slight PITA [11:07] valorie: nini [11:13] can't login anymore [11:13] on natty [11:13] no protocla specified [11:14] protocol [11:19] no protocol specified xinit giving up unable to connect to X server connection refused [11:36] anyone around for a bit of test0ring [11:38] here [11:39] damn i have just fixed my natty [11:39] xD [11:39] home full [11:39] = no login [11:39] run plasmaengineexplorer -> select notifcations in the drop down [11:39] do you see anything in the table below? [11:40] Peace-: you did not get a notification about your filled up home last time you were logged in? [11:40] yep but i was doing remastersys so i have stopped [11:41] k [11:41] and i have not checked how much space i left [11:41] rebotin i have thinked about that [11:41] xd [11:41] well, not logging when disk full without proper error message and the means to fix it sorta sux [11:42] i got a strange error [11:42] like [11:42] no protocol specified [11:42] XD [11:42] report a bug plz [11:42] then i have made ubuntu-bug X [11:42] and take a look at the plasmaengineexplorer thing :P [11:43] and i have got the message you home is full :P [11:43] lucly i have my puppylinux :P [11:50] * apachelogger thinks plasma dataengines are one big lie [11:51] i have modified the init javascript [11:52] xD for plasma desktop [11:52] so i get gnome style layout for panels [11:58] o wow kpackagekit doens' have some dependences [11:58] xD [12:02] good evening :) [12:03] c2tarun: good afternoon :P [12:03] apachelogger: hey finally you replied :) [12:04] I always reply [12:04] I am the reply0r [12:04] apachelogger: only when you are around ;) [12:04] for obvious reasons :P [12:04] apachelogger: anyway u remember the project you suggested me (phonon for android) [12:04] yes [12:05] apachelogger: I failed to get that into GSoC now I want to take it to SoK, but for preparing the report I need some information about technical details. [12:05] apachelogger: I dont have any experience with android and phonon, can you please suggest me where to start? [12:07] c2tarun: get the android sdk, set it up, try to create some hello world app or similar [12:08] apachelogger: any reference documentation available on internet? [12:08] android.com [12:08] c2tarun: there is also google, you really should try google [12:08] apachelogger: ok, and what about phonon? [12:08] they actually made it a business to tell people whether there is documentatio and where to find it [12:09] c2tarun: see phonon headers [12:09] headers? [12:09] .h files [12:09] http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/lesson1.html [12:10] apachelogger: okay.... I'll do my research, and please I'll ping again if I get stuck [12:11] * apachelogger ponders using the photo of markey sleeping at his desk in his presentation ^^ === yofel_ is now known as yfoel === yfoel is now known as yofel [13:00] ooh kubuntu-mobile image works [13:00] not very well, but it works [13:38] valorie: What's the problem with kmail (it's working for me quite well)? [13:39] Riddell: Did you see my ping for translation updates (4.5.5) for maverick? [13:39] ScottK: oh yes, I can add that to my todo [13:39] Thanks. [13:40] I talked with pitti and we can probably do it tomorrow after the buildds have calmed down from the pre-beta2 rush. [13:40] Anytime before then. [13:41] hmm, no darkwingduck or nixternal to hassle about docs [13:48] what is the release date of beta2? [13:49] Riddell: ping === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:50] c2tarun: Thursday. [14:00] hi Quintasan [14:04] Riddell: hi :) is there any work except testing? [14:06] not immediately [14:09] mrgh, didnt read properlyt and upgraded... now no kde :( [14:14] jussi01: how did you upgrade? [14:14] Riddell: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:14] ug, don't do that, surely you've been around long enough to know that [14:15] yeah, bit silly, force of habbit :( [14:16] hmm, I'm getting kde uninstall on natty dist-upgrade too, I wonder what's causing it [14:16] Riddell: oh yeah, what am I supossed to put in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O ? [14:17] * Quintasan just added Who goes, who will participate remotely and Specs sections [14:17] Quintasan: whatever we should have sessions on at UDS [14:17] world domination [14:18] Riddell: hmmm, and where do I take them from? Launchpad? [14:19] * Quintasan can imagine we would want to cover some stuff on our Todo as well [14:19] true, aptitude wants to remove a whole bunch of stuff, yesterday it was only the translations [14:21] hi [14:22] kdelibs5-plugins: Depends: kdelibs5-data (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu2 is installed. [14:22] danimo: hello [14:22] who is working on the Qt Creator packages? [14:22] us [14:22] danimo: :) [14:22] Quintasan: anyone who feels particulary involved? [14:22] danimo: if it is urgent I can do it [14:22] no, more of a general thing [14:23] we received a bug report: QTCREATORBUG-3561 [14:23] http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-3561 [14:23] (it's quite old at some point) [14:23] at this point [14:24] I want to close it, because I don't think we can deliver a good expirience with the "nightly" packages, especially because they often require an up to date Qt [14:24] that is unless you guys have a better idea [14:25] danimo: hmm, we can incorporate it in Project Neon if you want nigthly packages [14:25] yofel, shadeslayer: ^ [14:25] Quintasan: we do have nightly builds, but in a binary installer that comes with a snapshot of an up-to-date Qt version [14:25] oh [14:25] I see [14:25] yofel: what can we do about it? [14:26] Quintasan: and there are other fancy things, like you need the private headers of the Qt version you build against [14:26] Riddell: ^ [14:26] so the resulting binaries are tied to the specific creator version [14:26] err, specific Qt version [14:26] does project neon come with its own Qt? [14:27] danimo: we build kde-qt [14:27] in Project Neon [14:27] (the reason for requiring Qt internals is QML tooling, because some QML introspection has no exposed API) [14:28] yofel: could you request a Qt rebuild later for Neon? [14:31] Quintasan: from all the kubuntu developers and contributors [14:31] yofel and jussi01: Sound like archive skew and you're on amd64. Just wait an hour or so, apt-get update, and try again. [14:32] danimo: I think I don't get something here. if you close it, what happens to the nightly installer and how's that relevant to us? [14:32] Quintasan: if I close it, I close it, nothing more [14:33] Quintasan: the question just was if it was a hard effort to automate it [14:33] ScottK: ahh, thanks. I will do so [14:34] danimo: well, as I said, I think we could provide nightlies of qtcreator in Project Neon repository, in Project Neon we use kde-qt, is this enough for the nightlies? [14:34] Quintasan: do you know which version that currently is? [14:34] Quintasan: and if it installs private headers [14:35] hmmm [14:35] the package version is 2+git20110326+r934-33 [14:35] so it was built not so long ago [14:36] well, from which branch? 4.7? master? [14:36] >This is KDE’s copy of Qt, containing the latest release, plus patches for Qt that haven’t been accepted (yet) by Qt Software. [14:36] danimo: we don't package the private qt headers [14:37] brb [14:37] danimo: so yeah, it should be the latest release [14:37] dunno about private headers [14:38] but I think we could easily modify our packaging so it installs them [14:38] Quintasan: why? [14:38] yofel: why new Qt build? To see if it still works :P [14:39] ah, if it still builds? [14:39] no difference for me :P [14:40] note that kde-qt is for *some* reason using 4.7.1 [14:40] that's what qmake --version says at least [14:40] Using Qt version 4.7.1 in /opt/project-neon/lib [14:41] I how's that bad? [14:42] s/I/and [14:42] danimo: was asking what version kde-qt wa [14:42] *was [14:43] well, let's just wait for him to show up and tell us which version do we need [14:44] In that I'll do my homework so I won't be wasting time [14:45] k, I'm off for lunch [14:45] yofel: Enjoy [14:47] Riddell: Can you append "Add specs to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O" to the topic? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 2 bugs http://goo.gl/HbXHe | Add specs to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O [14:57] Riddell: Thanks [14:57] ScottK: 4:4.5.85really4.5.5-0ubuntu1ppa1 <-- that's really good, [14:59] Someone accidentally uploaded to the wrong PPA. [14:59] So that one I understand, but I'm not going to put it in the main archive that way. [15:00] Well, putting it there like that would be baaad. [15:01] wiki is down ? [15:02] apparently... [15:02] Wiki is always down [15:02] :) [15:02] or throws 401 errors [15:07] * Quintasan just got a brilliant idea [15:09] * bambee is testing weblive... it rocks your socks !!! [15:10] yofel: Look at my ingenious idea! Problem: math exercises take a lot of space and I already I have filled over half of my 192 A4 pages. Solution: http://bit.ly/g6WXOs [15:10] Why didn't it occur to me earlier? [15:12] The most simple solutions are the best ones! [15:14] Don't do your homework would be simplest. [15:14] I don't recommend it though. [15:14] ScottK: I don't do any homework except for Maths and Physics [15:15] well, History sometimes but that's if I don't forget we have one. [15:32] ^^ [15:33] Quintasan: another solution would be to use LaTeX :D [15:34] neon qt-kde rebuild triggered [15:34] bambee: >implying I can use LaTeX notation in my notebook :O [15:34] since LaTeX rocks and was originaly designed for maths... it can help... but... you've to write your exercises on a computer xD [15:34] that's overkill for homework [15:34] yofel: Thanks [15:34] * yofel needs to learn latex one of these days though... [15:35] esp. since libreoffice is getting on my nerves... [15:35] since I upgraded to kde4.6.2 my system never recovers from sleep mode. Is anyone else facing this problem? [15:36] adding plasma-active to neon might be a good idea, give us something to put on http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation [15:36] * jussi01 hands yofel lyx ;) [15:38] hi Riddell [15:38] hm, worth a try I guess, thanks [15:39] hi rbelem [15:40] Riddell, did you see the what i said to you some hours ago? [15:41] rbelem: update of plasma mobile not feasable? [15:41] rbelem: that's ok, kubuntu mobile loads fine for me today [15:41] does plasma-mobile need kde-workspace with GLES? [15:41] Riddell, ok :-) [15:41] and what exactly is -active? [15:41] Riddell, i really would like to see it in natty [15:42] :'-( [15:42] yofel, i think it works whiout gles [15:42] yofel: it seems to be plasma-mobile getting extended to include plasma tablet, it's on various blogs on planetkde today [15:42] ah, guess I should actually read my feeds these days... [15:43] yofel, /j #active :-) [15:44] well, kde:plasma-mobile builds with neon, although we obviously won't have armel builds [15:44] rbelem: are you guys purposely missing a /topic ? ^^ [15:45] yofel, i uploaded to revu the latest snapshot of plasma-mobile [15:46] yofel, hum... should i guess? :-) [15:48] well, if you want it I can add a neon build for it, as long as at least one person is actually going to try that [15:48] yofel, i will [15:49] k [15:50] Riddell: I'd be good with a post-beta 2 FFe for plasma-active as part of -mobile if someone can package it and see if it works. [15:51] ScottK, plasma-active is the same plasma-mobile, but with some changes in qml files [15:51] ScottK: rbelem tried to package it but it needs trunk kdelibs etc, [15:51] OK. [15:51] Ah. [15:52] That's a bit problematic then. [15:52] neon sounds like a great place for it [15:52] ScottK, and it needs lots of backports :'( in kde-runtime and kdelibs [15:52] * ScottK nods [15:53] ScottK, i pushed some branches caontaining the backports [15:55] ScottK, if you want to try... it is working but not 100% [15:57] bambee: are you/did you backport that kget fix? [15:58] not yet, Can I do it this evening ? [15:58] (for kdeplasma-addons and kdenetwork) [15:58] (I have imported two patches) [15:58] bambee: sure, you'll need to file a bug with the debdiffs and subscribe the security team [15:58] ohh [15:59] bambee: kdeplasma-addons doesn't need backport, just the kget issue because it's a security issue [15:59] Riddell: ok [16:03] Riddell: kget fix is in the 4.5.5 update I pushed for maverick-proposed. [16:04] (security should still fix 4.5.1 in the mean time though) [16:04] rbelem: plasma-mobile needs a cmake check to make sure kde-workspace is installed, currently cmake is happy without it but the build fails [16:05] I've already filed bug #757526 for the kget issue [16:05] Launchpad bug 757526 in kdenetwork (Ubuntu) "Updated fix for CVE-2010-1000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757526 [16:05] ScottK: you sure? it was only committed two days ago [16:05] Riddell: Yes. I added the patch myself before uploading. [16:05] would be great if someone prepared debdiffs for karmic-maverick [16:06] Riddell: I reviewed kde svn/git for all the packages for post-4.5.5 changes we needed. [16:06] debfx: oh thanks :) [16:06] ScottK: groovy [16:07] apachelogger: what do you think about adding a X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Context key to desktop files in pkg-kde-tools? that way we only need to do one lookup in kdesktopfile [16:19] Riddell: That last two things I checked because I thought maybe I ought to try and get them in before beta2 (k-d-s and kubuntu-meta updates) you did on Friday. Thanks for being a step ahead of me. [16:24] Quintasan, yofel: back [16:27] rbelem: enjoy https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-plasma-mobile [16:28] yofel: does it build and run? [16:29] build: yes, run: not tested yet [16:50] oh right, this week is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek for those that don't know yet, starting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [16:54] thanks yofel, just blogged http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4406 [16:55] Riddell: any chance we can package Qt with private headers? [16:56] Riddell: or package Qt Creator to ship its own private Qt? [16:56] danimo: umm, doesn't that defeat the purpose of them bring private? [16:56] Riddell: (for neon) [16:56] Riddell: well, Creator needs them if you want QML tooling [16:56] Riddell: not a big fan either, trust me [16:57] Riddell: make it into an extra package if you will [16:57] it does indeed. well yes we probably could [16:57] I don't have much to do with neon myself [16:57] but there's a crack team of packaging ninjas who do [16:57] Riddell: right, my problem exactly :) [16:59] danimo: where are those headers? [17:00] danimo: we can take the discussion to #project-neon too if you want [17:01] thanks yofel :-) [17:02] ok :) === dpm_ is now known as dpm [18:45] Riddell: ping, I've to use 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.1 for maverick right ? (and not 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2) [18:52] bambee: what's the current version? [18:53] bambee: looks like current version is 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.1 so we need a 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.2 [18:53] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork => 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.1 [18:53] Riddell: ok, thanks [19:56] hey, I just updated my natty and there is a blank panel on the top of screen :/ do you have it? [19:56] * ari-tczew is preparing a screenshot [19:59] http://img853.imageshack.us/f/kde462.png/ [19:59] anybody knows how to avoid that blank panel? [19:59] I just run update [20:00] ulysses: update of what? [20:02] ari-tczew: Natty [20:02] ulysses: do you have this blank panel? [20:02] I'll see in a minute, after the reboot [20:03] yes, it was started after reboot [20:05] ari-tczew: no extra panel [20:06] :/ [20:06] ulysses: do you know how to remove it? [20:06] right click, configure: panel -> remove panel? [20:09] ulysses: it's part of desktop :/ [20:09] not stricte panel [20:09] use a black tape [20:09] in the right-up corner is Toolbox, not Panel tool box [20:10] strange [20:49] OMG... I did not see harald's presentation about "Widgetcraft: The Art of Creating Plasma Widgets" ... (I totally forgot it) [20:49] o_O [20:50] s/presentation/talk/ [20:50] bambee: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [20:54] what are virtual packages?\ [20:55] bambee: there are logs anyway ^^ [21:04] yofel: I know, but It's always better in live :) === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [22:24] 'night [22:31] Hello, I'm wondering who is responsible for packaging KDEGames in Kubuntu? [22:35] Parkotron: kubuntu [22:36] Parkotron: we're a team [22:37] Ah. So there's no one in particular I should be bugging? :) [22:37] depends if you want to bug us to accept some champaign for doing such a great job [22:39] mhhh, booze [22:43] kubotu: order booze for apachelogger [22:43] * kubotu slides booze down the bar to apachelogger [22:46] apachelogger: that was a great talk earlier, I managed to get the code running, was lazy with my brackets being a python lova ;) [23:20] effie_jayx: cool [23:22] I wonder what kinda apps are cool for widgets though [23:40] gosh we do attract some curious users http://paste.kde.org/10857/ [23:40] well [23:40] there is a pink version [23:42] ooh good answer, I'll remind him about that [23:43] * apachelogger giggles [23:52] hehe [23:53] nice. Tragedy theme stuff rocks btw [23:56]