[00:00] <IdleOne> I prefer to be insulted in -offtopic
[00:00] <jiohdi> there has been no peep out of any on topic stuff in a long while
[00:00] <gordonjcp> yay, midnight!
[00:00] <gordonjcp> byebye unity
[00:00] <ubuntuguy> :P
[00:00] <ubuntuguy> I love unity
[00:00] <jiohdi> IdleOne, I do not feel insulted by my lack of hacker status... just challenged
[00:00] <ubuntuguy> don't hate unity
[00:00] <ubuntuguy> xD
[00:00] <gordonjcp> I said I'd give it a week, I gave it a week
[00:00] <ubuntuguy> lol
[00:00] <gordonjcp> it's still horrible
[00:00] <ubuntuguy> unity is awesome man
[00:00] <gordonjcp> it's unusable
[00:01] <jiohdi> unity is still a work in progress
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> For now
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> but don't forgot
[00:01] <gordonjcp> well
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> that it isn't released
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> yet.
[00:01] <jiohdi> its main goal is for touch screens
[00:01] <gordonjcp> window buttons on the wrong side
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> Nah
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> I say netbooks
[00:01] <gordonjcp> big ugly drop shadows everywhere
[00:01] <gordonjcp> no weather applet
[00:01] <gordonjcp> no alt-f2
[00:01] <jiohdi> the goal though is for sliding it with your fingers
[00:01] <gordonjcp> jiohdi: that's not something I'm ever going to do
[00:02] <IdleOne> gord: indicator-weather
[00:02] <IdleOne> err gordonjcp ^^
[00:02] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: ?
[00:02] <IdleOne> you said there is no weather applet
[00:02] <IdleOne> there is a PPA for indicator-weather
[00:03] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: oh, so you've got to install it separately, from a third-party source
[00:03] <IdleOne> for now yes
[00:03] <ubuntuguy> I'm sure it will be there during final release
[00:03] <IdleOne> maybe
[00:04] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: I must admit, I find it hard to determine a rational reason behind some of the design decisions in Ubuntu
[00:04] <ubuntuguy> Explain gordan
[00:04] <IdleOne> gordonjcp: I know what you mean. I am not a fan of Unity either.
[00:05] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: I still don't get the point of the big ugly bar with the squares down the left side
[00:05] <jiohdi> if you read the rational, touch screen as the future was their idea... so its not suprizing that non-touch screen users will not find it the very best
[00:05] <gordonjcp> jiohdi: right, but no-one uses a touchscreen on a desktop
[00:05] <ubuntuguy> I love the unity bar
[00:06] <gordonjcp> so does this mean that Ubuntu is no longer a desktop OS?
[00:06] <ubuntuguy> I think it's a great edition
[00:06] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: I don't
[00:06] <ubuntuguy> I personally love it
[00:06] <jiohdi> gordonjcp,  you have a about a half a dozen desktop choices in ubuntu, you are not stuck with unity
[00:06] <IdleOne> gordonjcp: it is, you can still use classic destop
[00:06] <gordonjcp> old-style task bars, you want to raise a particular window so you click on its name on the taskbar
[00:06] <ubuntuguy> And think ubuntu is going in the right direction
[00:06] <ubuntuguy> to be a different linux
[00:06] <ubuntuguy> operating system
[00:07] <gordonjcp> the new unity one, you need to bring the mouse pointer up to the top of the screen, wait for it to appear, then mouse over each square in turn to see what it is
[00:07] <ubuntuguy> gordan
[00:07] <jiohdi> gordon you can hold and drag
[00:07] <ubuntuguy> they're comign up with a new option
[00:07] <ubuntuguy> where all you have to do
[00:07] <ubuntuguy> is
[00:07] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: only in 11.04, but that'll be gone in 11.10
[00:07] <jiohdi> which is for the touch and drag
[00:07] <ubuntuguy> move you mouse to the left side
[00:07] <rww> !enter
[00:07] <ubuntuguy> and the bar will appear
[00:07] <ubuntuguy> much like a dock on auto-hide
[00:07] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: right, but that still doesn't solve the problem
[00:08] <IdleOne> gordonjcp: I don't remember seeing that announcement
[00:08] <ubuntuguy> Which problem?
[00:08] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: it shouldn't autohide, it should be along the bottom and it should have the names of the app windows instead of just squares
[00:08] <gordonjcp> otherwise they're really hard to tell apart
[00:08] <ubuntuguy> you mean liek a windows vista taskbar?
[00:09] <ubuntuguy> like*
[00:09] <ubuntuguy> where you have the names
[00:09] <ubuntuguy> ?
[00:09] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: well, like the Gnome 2 taskbar
[00:09] <delac> gordonjcp: you can disable the autohide, so that it remains visible all the time
[00:10] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: I don't know what Windows Vista looks like
[00:10] <rww> I never get tired of people constantly comparing Ubuntu to WIndows or OS X
[00:10] <gordonjcp> delac: still doesn't solve the problem
[00:10] <delac> gordonjcp: yes, there are mmore problems, but that would make one less :)
[00:10] <ubuntuguy> oh
[00:10] <ubuntuguy> I hated that
[00:10] <ubuntuguy> but I'm sure someone will code something like that
[00:10] <gordonjcp> delac: the big problem is working out what the squares all mean
[00:11] <rww> maybe you need a more informative icon theme :#
[00:11] <delac> gordonjcp: hmm, for me most of them are quite clear
[00:11] <ubuntuguy> Idk how it's hard though
[00:11] <gordonjcp> delac: I can't "see" icons
[00:11] <ubuntuguy> the squares are super clear
[00:12] <gordonjcp> it's a dyslexia type thing
[00:12] <ubuntuguy> Your unity must be messed up
[00:12] <ubuntuguy> And if you hover over the squares
[00:12] <ubuntuguy> it gives you the application's name
[00:12] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: yes, but that's slow and a PITA
[00:12] <rww> ubuntuguy: stop abusing your enter key, please
[00:12] <ubuntuguy> The icons are quite clear if you ask me
[00:13] <delac> gordonjcp: ah, that I must admit that the accessibility of these recent ubuntu releases has not been very good
[00:13] <delac> gordonjcp: can't but hope that they start to take that into account
[00:13]  * IdleOne takes the enter key from ubuntuguy and brings it to the enterkey_safehouse.
[00:13] <ubuntuguy> Lol, I'll stop pressing enter
[00:13] <gordonjcp> ubuntuguy: they may be quite clear to you, they are not clear to me
[00:14] <ubuntuguy> Oh, ok gordon
[00:15] <rww> Where's the Windows version of Startup Disk Creator hiding these days?
[00:17] <mali> erm hmm, strange, Im sure I asked.. lol.. how do we get rid of that menubar on panelbar option
[00:17] <mali> when using my 'classic' gnome
[00:17] <benzaldehyde> rww: i think the altenate cd has all that rescue capability built in
[00:21] <mali> hello? No, simple re-configuraiton to normal layout not easily explained or ?
[00:21] <rww> benzaldehyde: I'm not looking for rescue capability, I'm looking for the Windows version of the program to make Ubuntu LiveUSB stisk.
[00:21] <rww> sticks **
[00:21] <rww> Since Ubuntu needs a magical program to do that instead of dd, because it's silly that way :\
[00:22] <nit-wit> rww; you want a window install with peistance?
[00:22]  * rww faceplams
[00:23]  * rww hates this keyboard, facepalms
[00:23] <nit-wit> *persistence.
[00:23] <rww> nit-wit: No, I want a USB stick that can install Ubuntu. Which is what I said twice now.
[00:24] <jiohdi> unetbooten
[00:24] <lcb> rww, search for unetbootin
[00:24] <BUGabundo> netboot.me ftw
[00:24] <Scunizi> what's the easy cli command to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04? sudo do-release-upgrade -d or something similar?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> that
[00:25] <delac> is it already reported that compiz crashes when you enable/disable plugins?
[00:25] <lcb> Scunizi: better checkon the page you downloaded
[00:25] <jiohdi> or sudo update-manger -d
[00:25] <jiohdi> manager*
[00:25] <jiohdi> then it will tell you that a new distro is availible
[00:25] <lcb> mrmist:
[00:26] <nit-wit> rww; you doest think i actually care.;)
[00:26] <lcb> oops, wrong call
[00:26] <Scunizi> jiohdi: cool.. ok.. 10.10 is in a vm so I don't care if all goes belly up
[01:11] <MTecknology> GAH!
[01:11] <MTecknology> 720 updates to this system
[01:36] <aauthor> In the update manager, I am not able to select (i.e. check) two of the given updates: translations for language English and GNOME translations for language English.
[01:36] <aauthor> Anyone else have this problem?
[01:52] <katsrc> hey all
[01:53] <katsrc> now stable is natty beta 1?
[01:53] <katsrc> anyone using it on their desktop?
[01:54] <jiohdi> katsrc, I have been using it for over a week, no major issues
[01:55] <jiohdi> firefox4 seems to have the most problems
[01:55] <jiohdi> flash flickers and crashes a bit
[01:55] <jiohdi> nothing unrecoverable
[01:55] <U-b-u-n-t-u> how is the unity change working?
[01:56] <jiohdi> unity refused to work at all on mine, went to iceWM
[01:56] <katsrc> jiohdi: does the new GTK hide the excessive space in Firefox?
[01:56] <jiohdi> katsrc, not even sure what that means :)
[01:56] <katsrc> jiohdi: is like menu button on the title bar of your Firefox 4 window?
[01:57] <aauthor> katsrc: sure does.
[01:57] <jiohdi> I use Opera anyways, which is not part of the standard set up
[01:57] <jiohdi> katsrc, its more streamline and compact, better over all
[01:57] <katsrc> aauthor: do you have a screenshot to share?
[01:57] <aauthor> Yeah, just a sec.
[01:57] <katsrc> thanks
[01:57] <jiohdi> I like the new lava theme
[01:58] <jiohdi> red and blue
[01:58] <jiohdi> the scroll bars glow when you move them through cracks
[01:58] <aauthor> katsrc: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5725314/Screenshot-2.png
[01:59] <aauthor> jiohdi: Is the lava theme part of ubuntu or opera?
[02:00] <jiohdi> firefox
[02:00] <jiohdi> part of their new theme set
[02:01] <katsrc> aauthor: can you do one without full screen?
[02:01] <katsrc> if it's not too much to ask...
[02:06] <aauthor> Np, just a sec.
[02:08] <aauthor> katsrc: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5725314/Screenshot-ZOMBO%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[02:08] <katsrc> aauthor: ah, great thanks!
[02:09] <katsrc> looks like it still hasn't taken advantage of the new version of GTK
[02:09] <katsrc> it might me something at Mozilla's end
[02:09] <aauthor> How do you mean?
[02:10] <rww> !web2.0
[02:10] <rww> boo, channel specific factoids :(
[02:10] <katsrc> aauthor: you see where the title bar is?
[02:10] <jiohdi> one thing the new firefox sometimes does is to have the tabs auto-hide
[02:11] <katsrc> it's suppose to be merged with the tab bar for Firefox 4
[02:11] <katsrc> but since GTK wasn't ready yet Mozilla left it out
[02:11] <jiohdi> what is a gtk?
[02:11] <katsrc> Windows supports it
[02:11] <aauthor> !gtk
[02:12] <katsrc> hopefully someone from the community will have a patched PPA
[02:12] <katsrc> i guess it's too late to get that in Natty
[02:12] <jiohdi> sooner or later
[02:13] <jiohdi> it seems that gimp 2.8 has been delayed since 2006
[02:13] <jiohdi> and still delaying
[02:13] <katsrc> but Mozilla is going to release next versions very soon also
[02:13] <katsrc> jiohdi: i heard it was due in May?
[02:13] <jiohdi> of what year?
[02:13] <jiohdi> :)
[02:13] <katsrc> this
[02:13] <jiohdi> they have been saying that for what 5 years now :)
[02:14] <katsrc> it was a few bugs that kept it back from being released already
[02:14] <katsrc> they were suppose to release it in march
[02:14] <jiohdi> I have a gimp bible written in 2006 promising a 2.8 release
[02:15] <katsrc> lol
[02:16] <katsrc> 2.7 gets annoying to use
[02:16] <katsrc> cause it doesn't remember any of the single window settings
[02:16] <katsrc> i'm also anxious for 2.8
[02:16] <jiohdi> I am still using 2.6 but the menu tear offs which I like in concept do not work
[02:36] <Scunizi> ok.. so does 11.04 run in a vm with VBox?  I just did the upgrade from 10.10, enabled 3d in Vbox and still see gnome 2.xx
[02:36] <Scunizi> not unity
[02:36] <ubuntuguy> scunizi, I don't think it works
[02:36] <nOStahl> speaking of unity
[02:37] <nOStahl> is there a way I can make it so you bump mouse to top left to activate the menu like gnome-shell
[02:38] <Scunizi> So how does one test Unity without a text box or dual boot?  is there another method?
[02:39] <jiohdi> live cd?
[02:39] <nOStahl> .... man with a scary voice being loud outside my office window...
[02:39] <nOStahl> lol
[02:39] <jiohdi> virtual box
[02:40] <Scunizi> vbox doesn't allow unity to run
[02:40] <nOStahl> you can enable 3d in virtualbox
[02:40] <Scunizi> did that.. no dice
[02:40] <nOStahl> I use a live usb drive myself
[02:41] <Scunizi> I could do that.. better than cd.. but still slow
[02:41] <nOStahl> faster than upgrading an already installed system
[02:41] <jiohdi> upgrade takes about 3 hrs
[02:42] <Scunizi> true.. maybe I'll just upgrade my lappy.. or install from usb.. were's the link to the iso for the beta?
[02:42] <nOStahl> ubuntu.com
[02:42] <nOStahl> was on the main page earlyer today
[02:42] <Scunizi> for the beta.. I've looked and looked.. unless it's hidden well, I didn't see it
[02:43] <Scunizi> AH HA.. you're right.. At the top.. 11.04 beta..
[02:44] <Scunizi> It's in the header flash (or something) component.. if you click after it moves to Netbook then you have to wait.
[02:50] <nOStahl> what all differences are there in the netbook version
[02:50] <nOStahl> i've always ran the desktop version on my eeepc 901
[03:05] <Scunizi> nOStahl: the netbook version is now also unity
[03:43] <nOStahl> ah so same across board
[03:44] <nOStahl> are they getting rid of netbook subset then
[04:06] <torchie> test
[04:06] <torchie> test
[04:07] <rww> !test
[04:09] <torchie> lol
[04:09] <torchie> sorry
[04:09] <torchie> has anyone had trouble changing channel topic with empathy?
[04:09] <torchie> it just doesn't happen whether or not I use /topic or msg chanserv
[04:09] <torchie> which probably isn't an issue with empathy...
[04:10] <rww> messaging chanserv with "TOPIC #channelname some topic here" doesn't work?
[04:11] <torchie> nope, nothing
[04:11] <torchie> there's no confirmation or anything
[04:11] <rww> odd, there should be. I don't use empathy though, so...
[04:11] <torchie> about to try on another irc client
[04:17] <torchie> strange
[04:17] <torchie> other client showed channel topic but empathy displays nothing
[04:24] <torchie> installing the microsoft truetype core fonts from software center doesn't seem to get Times New Roman in LibreOffice
[04:24] <torchie> do you have to get it a different way?
[04:25] <ubuntuguy> bACK
[04:26] <ubuntuguy> Ubuntu 11.4 = beast :D
[04:27] <Jerub> i'm trying to figure out what's wrong with my font rendering. i think it may be something to do with swapping (briefly) to try kde4.6 and going back to gnome :/
[04:29] <nOStahl> sounds like penalty for going to the dark side
[04:33] <Jerub> nOStahl: that's an interesting reaction. was that just because it's fun to say negative things? or do you actually consider kde to be the dark side?
[04:33] <nOStahl> every time i've tried kde things were broken feeling.
[04:33] <Jerub> well, the reason i tried it was because of how badly unity worked for me.
[04:34] <Jerub> and it was really quite good, but it broke badly when shifting monitor configurations (and this is a laptop) so i stopped using it.
[04:34] <nOStahl> myself I cant wait for gnome-shell
[04:34] <nOStahl> I love being able to bump mouse up to top left of screen
[04:34] <nOStahl> and type few letters and hit enter and my app is open
[04:35] <nOStahl> im playing with 11.04 and unity right now
[04:35] <nOStahl> getting all my apps installed on a fresh install
[04:35] <nOStahl> so far so good
[04:35] <nOStahl> what went wrong on your end?
[04:37] <Jerub> the "typ ea few letters" thing is broken if you hit enter too quickly.
[04:37] <Jerub> it launches the result of the previous search
[04:38] <Jerub> (instead of the command that you type in which is an exact match from /usr/bin)
[04:41] <torchie> yeah I love unity's super -> "app name"
[04:41] <Jerub> torchie: that's exactly the thing i was talking about
[04:42] <torchie> it's fly!
[04:42] <torchie> though I'm hoping unity'll work on my machine by the time natty goes gold
[04:42] <Jerub> and that's one of the 'features' that convinced me to explore something else, because it's broken.
[04:42] <nOStahl> the daily build of gnome-shell sure looks nice
[04:42] <Jerub> example, super "xeyes" (wait 2 seconds) <enter>
[04:42] <Jerub> then super "xlogo<enter>"
[04:42] <torchie> I've been in no effects classic, been having crashes on unity
[04:42] <Jerub> it will launch 2 xeyes
[04:43] <torchie> hmm
[04:43] <Jerub> becasue the launcher isn't a 'run' dialog, it's an incremental search dialog, and 'enter' launches the top search result.
[04:43] <torchie> think that could be fixed by end of april?
[04:43] <Jerub> so if the incremental search doesn't complete between the typing and hitting enter, it will launch the wrong thing, such as the previous search result from the previous run.
[04:44] <Jerub> i don't know, i noted my findings on a bug report last week, haven't seen any activity on it.
[04:44] <Jerub> it seemed to be that there was a disconnect between the design, the implementations, and the expectations.
[04:45] <torchie> I'm a bit worried about the dock not being visible most of the time
[04:45] <Jerub> yeah, the dock behaved weirdly for me. couldn't access the icons that were at the bottom of the screen
[04:45] <torchie> like if I were to hand off the computer to someone else and tell them to open firefox it'd just be "where is that"
[04:45] <nOStahl> why did they even start the unity project?
[04:45] <Jerub> i don't know if that was intentional or not.
[04:45] <nOStahl> gnome-shell has everything a guy could want heh
[04:46] <digitalfiz> i like unity better then gnome-shell
[04:47] <Jerub> digitalfiz: do you know if the dock icons being inaccesable via the mouse is a bug or not?
[04:47] <Jerub> or a fix for it?
[04:47] <nOStahl> why digitalfiz
[04:48] <digitalfiz> i have no clue Jerub i havent had that problem mysql
[04:48] <digitalfiz> nOStahl, i dont know it just seems easier to use for me
[04:48] <digitalfiz> gnome-shell was very confusing
[04:48] <nOStahl> whens last one you used
[04:48] <digitalfiz> unity is more familiar
[04:48] <torchie> never tried gnome shell
[04:48] <digitalfiz> its probably been 4months or so
[04:49] <nOStahl> download the daily build live-iso
[04:49] <nOStahl> much more refined now
[04:49] <Jerub> digitalfiz: oh your icons don't go all the way to the bottom of the screen?
[04:49] <torchie> worried about the fragmentation between non-unity menu systems and unity menubar
[04:49] <digitalfiz> Jerub, my icons scroll when i have a lot of stuff open and the scrolling seems to work fine
[04:50] <digitalfiz> nOStahl, ill check it out im interested in gnome 3 also
[04:51] <digitalfiz> ive kind of gotten used to the global menu thing jumping back and forth between ubuntu and osx i really like the continuity
[04:51] <torchie> global menu <3
[04:51] <digitalfiz> some people dont like it on multiple screens because of the mouse track you have to do
[04:51] <torchie> I've been using OSX for the past 4 years heh
[04:51] <nOStahl> globalmenu is quite nice
[04:51] <digitalfiz> but i tell them learn to use the keyboard :P
[04:51] <torchie> so it's interesting seeing unity be almost exactly like my dock-on-left setup
[04:52] <digitalfiz> torchie, i also use the elementary theme so its all very familiar to osx
[04:52] <nOStahl> dont you hate it when you tell yourself to put your shoes back on...
[04:52] <nOStahl> those thing smell bad lol
[04:52] <digitalfiz> window controls on left side and colors are similair
[04:52] <torchie> well I'd rather not just have something that behaves like OSX
[04:52] <torchie> but something with the most well designed user interface paradigms
[04:52] <torchie> (which, the better you make them, the closer you end up to Apple)
[04:52] <digitalfiz> i mainly use the elementary theme because the window controls
[04:52]  * torchie ducks.
[04:53] <digitalfiz> i hate when they are on the right side hehe
[04:55] <nOStahl> any of you guys into electronics?
[04:55] <nOStahl> send me message
[05:01] <Jerub> nOStahl: wrong channel. you want #electronics
[05:02] <nOStahl> thats why I said send message
[05:02] <digitalfiz> i so read that as "thats what she said"
[05:02] <nOStahl> lol
[05:02] <nOStahl> the best joke even invented
[05:03] <digitalfiz> agreed
[05:03] <Jerub> i'm confused. you're asking if i'm an electronics enthusiast, and the reason is because this is the wrong channel and you want #electronics ?
[05:04] <nOStahl> thats what she sai....err ya that didnt quite work there...
[05:05] <digitalfiz> since the last few updates compiz isnt crashing im me so often
[05:05] <digitalfiz> that makes me happy
[05:07] <flopex> Does anyone have problems with (11.04) windows being stuck to the panel (on top)?
[05:08] <nOStahl> not here
[05:09] <digitalfiz> flopex, hold alt and click in the window to move it down
[05:10] <digitalfiz> there is a weird issue where the windows sometimes hide the controls up under the top global menu
[05:10] <flopex> digitalfiz, yeah I know but I mean a way to fix it.
[05:10] <digitalfiz> i belive its been fixed in the latest updates because it has stopped doing that for me
[05:25] <torchie> wow
[05:25] <torchie> I don't think I'll ever trust LibreOffice again
[05:26] <nOStahl> whats up
[05:26] <torchie> I just attempted to print my docx-formatted paper with a few tables and times new roman double spaced
[05:26] <torchie> opened it on word 07 at the library PC
[05:26] <torchie> absolutely demolished :(
[05:27] <nOStahl> ? you opened a printed document?
[05:27] <torchie> tables were scrambled around the page and unreadable
[05:27] <torchie> I opened my document on the library PC to print it lol
[05:28] <torchie> I had to select all, copy it, paste it into wordpad, and paste that back into word 07, then resize the tables
[05:28] <rww> Maybe you should not trust Microsoft Office instead.
[05:28] <nOStahl> ya
[05:28] <rwhittle> i have a installed application that does not show up in my installed applications but when i type its name in a alt-f2 box, it launches, and goes to panel with icon.  its kde dependencies with it i think.  i'd like to add to dock permanantly
[05:28] <nOStahl> carry a openoffice flash drive install
[05:28] <torchie> I'd love to not trust the most popular word processor on the planet
[05:29] <torchie> would the formatting carry over properly if i saved in ODT and opened the ODT in word?
[05:31] <nOStahl> i'd install openoffice win version on a flash drive if you need to open something
[05:32] <torchie> that's
[05:33] <nOStahl> it works perfect cause you already are using flash drive to transfer file to computer with printer anyhow
[05:33] <torchie> I'm using dropbox
[05:33] <nOStahl> why
[05:34] <torchie> this makes both libreoffice and the operating system that comes with it preinstalled a bit difficult to advocate
[05:36] <nOStahl> i'd use a flash drive :P
[05:37] <torchie> well, you can't break dropbox or leave it in your other pants pocket
[05:37] <nOStahl> they have a keychain holder on all flash drives i've ever had
[05:37] <nOStahl> I use the micro sd 16gig in my phone personally
[05:37] <torchie> being able to save the file on one machine and it being automagically accessible on a bunch of others simultaneously is quite nice
[05:37] <nOStahl> I always have it with me
[05:37] <torchie> it's like a personal repository
[05:37] <torchie> I'm done trusting microSD for anything
[05:38] <torchie> sandisks, kingstons, class 10 16gb wintec filemates; just not dependable
[05:39] <torchie> I'm hype to get a nexus S; all internal mmm
[05:39] <nOStahl> mine is still truckin along, bought it with my eeepc 901 brand new back in the day
[05:41] <torchie> the 16GB I have right now I've been using in a nook color; the damn thing started declaring it unnreadable despite working perfectly in the mac
[05:42] <torchie> and then most of the music on it got corrupted
[05:42] <nOStahl> nook problem?
[05:42] <torchie> everything running into each other
[05:42] <torchie> nook problem maybe maybe not
[05:42] <torchie> regardless the internal memory on that device and every other has been far more reliable by comparison
[05:43] <nOStahl> I use my iphone for e-reader
[05:43] <nOStahl> think im over 30 or so books i've read through on the iphone so far
[05:43] <nOStahl> love it
[05:44] <torchie> the nook is both the gift that keeps on giving and a bit of a curse
[05:44] <torchie> there is nothing decent you can design with a 7 inch screen
[05:44] <torchie> I'd rather a 10 inch android; though I'm not sure about the viability of honeycomb tablets right now
[05:44] <nOStahl> I do development on my 8.9 inch screen heh
[05:45] <Jerub> ouch. that's not sustainable, you need bigger screens and keyboards to get an ergonomic environment.
[05:46] <torchie> I mostly developed on a 13 inch
[05:46] <nOStahl> I type over 90 words a minute on my eeepc 901
[05:46] <torchie> I'm wondering how well off I'd be using a netbook exclusively if I got desperate
[05:46] <torchie> my macbook finally kicked the bucket and this dv6000 isn't quite cutting it :(
[05:46] <Jerub> okay, so you also know how slowly you type. :)
[05:46] <nOStahl> and I love the huge battery life I get with a 13500mah battery
[05:47] <nOStahl> come warm weather you'll see me down at the lake sitting on a bench writing articles listening to pandora heh
[05:47] <nOStahl> tough life
[05:47] <nOStahl> when I get behind a fullsize keyboard I feel like im typing on a Piano haha
[05:48] <torchie> how long is the battery life?
[05:48] <nOStahl> depending on settings 7-10 hours
[05:48] <torchie> dream machine right now would be an ultra thin and light 13" with 10 hours
[05:48] <nOStahl> motorola rokr bluetooth stereo headphones paired up for music
[05:49] <torchie> a rokr eh?
[05:49] <torchie> that's compatible with 16GB?
[05:49] <nOStahl> its bluetooth headphones
[05:50] <torchie> oh not the phone
[05:50] <nOStahl> paired with my cell phone and my eeepc 901
[05:51] <nOStahl> trying banshee for first time to sync my iphone
[05:51] <nOStahl> it wont do it untill I delete my e-books on there that were synced with i-tunes
[05:51] <nOStahl> I guess itunes used the same naming profile for the books as the music artists heh
[05:51] <nOStahl> bye bye 1674 ebooks
[05:52] <Jerub> torchie: X201s advertises a max battery life of 13 hours, that's a 12"
[05:52] <Jerub> the X300 is a 13" they say does 10 hours.
[05:52] <torchie> I love me some thinkpads
[05:52] <torchie> if only I wasn't poor
[05:52] <torchie> does it do 10 hours with the stock battery?
[05:52] <torchie> or would I have to get some bulgey 9 cell?
[05:53] <Jerub> i'm sure they have different battery options and start with the smallest.
[05:53] <nOStahl> going with a larger cell batt for my eeepc 901 made it even better
[05:53] <Jerub> there's no way they'd advertise that the smaller battery had 13 hours if htere was a 20 hour battery you could buy as an option :P
[05:53] <nOStahl> handle to grip on too the thing so its not so slippery
[05:55] <torchie> no doubt an unwieldly slice
[06:20] <wjlafrance> Yikes. I just upgraded to natty and on boot I just get a flashing underscore prompt. :(
[06:20] <nOStahl> woot! thats like getting the boredwalk monopoly piece at mc donalds!
[06:21] <nOStahl> you won!
[06:21] <wjlafrance> lol
[06:23] <torchie> BINGO
[06:36] <Hick0rd> Hello, video's within youtube has no sound on the new ubuntu 11.04 - Any ideas?
[06:37] <Hick0rd> Anyone around?
[06:44] <wjlafrance> "It seems you do not have the hardware required to run Unity." YES!
[06:44] <rww> lol.
[06:44] <Hick0rd> wjlafrance, I have switch to ubuntu classic
[06:45] <Hick0rd> switched*
[06:45] <wjlafrance> Okay, riddle me this one
[06:45] <wjlafrance> PS2 keyboard works in BIOS, not in Ubuntu
[06:46] <wjlafrance> USB keyboard works in Ubuntu, not in BIOS
[06:46] <Hick0rd> Also, I have re-installed flashplugin-nonfree to check if something was wrong
[06:47] <rww> You people are looking at this the wrong way. Unity is a chance to increase your Launchpad karma! You should be embracing it!
[06:47] <rww> file dem bugs
[06:49]  * Debolaz has the hardware to run unity on his ooold eee.
[06:49] <wjlafrance> I'm using a 2.66GHz Pentium 4 :P
[06:49] <rww> Speaking of which, I just booted a LiveUSB of the current natty daily and get a cursor on a black screen. Which package do I file that against?
[06:50] <rww> lol ^
[06:50] <wjlafrance> great, now my keyboard AND mouse won't respond
[06:50]  * wjlafrance grumbles something about whippersnappers
[06:51] <arand> rww: Video drivers or gdm?
[06:51]  * arand guesses
[06:52] <rww> arand: I ran ubuntu-bug and ran through the wizard. Let's see where it goes.
[06:52] <rww> xorg, by the look of it.
[06:52] <rww> though it attached gdm output too, so whatevs.
[07:25] <truculent> anybody here running dual monitors?
[07:29] <skyjumper> yeah but not with unity
[07:38] <Jerub> truculent: i am, yes.
[07:39] <truculent> I'm guessing I have to use something other than unity with dual monitors?
[07:40] <Jerub> truculent: why's that. i found it wasn't horrible with dual monitors
[07:40] <Jerub> can you identify things that specifically don't work as expected?
[07:40] <truculent> I can't figure out how to get anything onto my right monitor
[07:41] <Jerub> can you move your mouse to it?
[07:41] <truculent> jerub: it's active and the pointer moves between them easily
[07:41] <Jerub> can you drag a window to it?
[07:41] <truculent> jerub: but the windows want to do the "aero snap" when I try to move one there
[07:42] <truculent> I can't drag a window there because it stops and wants to half maximize when it reaches the right boundary of the monitor
[07:43] <Jerub> it's not a boundary you can drag past?
[07:43] <Jerub> just as a thought, try dragging with alt-left click on the main window body.
[07:43] <truculent> it won't do that
[07:43] <Jerub> this isn't a problem i've experienced, it might be a feature you can disable in one of the compiz configuration tools
[07:48] <truculent> is there any way to configure unity?  or is all through compiz?
[07:52] <Debolaz> truculent: Compiz.
[07:54] <Visitor_1971> hi guys,can anyone help me log into Kubuntu?
[07:55] <Debolaz> truculent: Unity is a plugin to compiz, so most stuff is actually managed by compiz. And as such, you can modify most of the window behavior.
[07:56] <Visitor_1971> there is no option to pick which session I want to start
[07:57] <truculent> Debolaz:  Okay, that makes sense, it's been a few months since I have used Ubuntu and this is semi-new to me
[07:57] <Visitor_1971> Debolaz: lemmee check the settings-manager
[08:00] <Chr|s> beta 2 comes out soon doesn't it?
[08:00] <Chr|s> !schedule
[08:01] <Chr|s> 14th :D
[08:08] <Amtrask> Is 11.04 set to use GNOME or Unity?
[08:10] <arand> Unity by default
[08:13] <Debolaz> Amtrask: Unity by default, with gnome 2 as alternative (Gnome 3 will be available from a ppa)
[08:15] <rww> Amtrask: The blog reports about Ubuntu not using Unity by default aren't based on much of anything :\
[08:17] <Amtrask> I honestly prefer GNOME, it's good to know I can still use it though
[08:17] <rww> The option for that's at the bottom of the login screen, btw.
[08:20] <Amtrask> cool, thank you guys
[08:21] <Debolaz> Amtrask: Unrelated, what do you think of gnome 3?
[08:31] <laza> Running natty building modules via dkms stopped working.It complains "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." But I have the sources installed. Any hints?
[08:32] <torchie> can i update to beta 2 through beta 1
[08:34] <arand> It will do so automatically, betas are labes, not releases as such.
[08:35] <arand> s/labes/labels/
[08:35] <laza> And currently I can't install language-pack-de because it's in conflict with language-pack-de-base ?!
[08:46] <Chr|s> beta 2 is out already?
[08:47] <Chr|s> oh never mind, read it wrong
[08:47] <rww> nope, comes out on the 14th
[09:34] <majnoon> they fix wubi in natty ??
[09:50] <mvo> JamesMR: once the logs are upload, could you please ping me with the bugnumer?
[09:51] <JamesMR> mvo: wrong tab complete?
[09:52] <JamesMR> Hi, I'm looking for some help/advice with an error I'm getting when trying to use apt, this is the error - "dpkg: syntax error in file triggers file `/var/lib/dpkg/triggers//File'" I'm on 10.10, it started appearing after trying to update to 11.04 beta via update-manager -d and my system froze partway through. 11 hours later I decded to rebooot my computer, the error has been bugging me since
[10:03] <mvo> JamesMR: the error you see is most likely a result of the upgrade, this is why I would like you to file a bug with the logs for the upgrade freeze
[10:03] <mvo> (from #ubuntu): could you please file a bug against update-manager and include all the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* ? that should help diagnose the freeze
[10:35] <Atahualpa> hi there !
[10:36] <Atahualpa> how can i modify the size of the bar in the unity ?
[10:48] <obscurant1st> in my panel, in the indicator applet, instead if icons now to red circles with a cross bar(a sign for broken) is shown.
[10:49] <obscurant1st> in my panel, in the indicator applet, instead of icons now two red circles with a cross bar(a sign for broken) is shown.
[10:49] <obscurant1st> somebody pls help me with this. :(
[10:50] <Strangelove> hello, can someone explain to me how I upgrade from LTS to natty without an internet connection?
[10:51] <Strangelove> I know this is a wired thing, but I do not see an other option for me
[10:51] <Strangelove> I have a natty cd
[10:52] <Strangelove> but I do not manage to get ubuntu read is as a upgrade cd
[10:52] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey guys. Does unity 2D also use compiz?
[10:59] <elFidel> Hi - is 'System Settings' -> 'CompizConfig Settings Manager' -> 'Unity Plugin' -> Hide = Never supposed to work in unity 2d?
[11:00] <elFidel> i can select 'never' - but the launcher/bar is still hiding if a window touches it
[11:01] <delac> as far as I understand, Unity 2d doesn't use Compiz, so making changes there don't have any effects
[11:02] <coachj> will the unity desktop run off the live CD?
[11:02] <delac> coachj: yes
[11:02] <coachj> thks
[11:10] <SupeR_NovA> help
[11:10] <SupeR_NovA> usr lib gconv utf 16 so
[11:19] <SupeR_NovA> usr lib gconv utf 16 so..?
[11:20] <SupeR_NovA> nod32
[11:40] <elFidel> i can select 'never' - but the launcher/bar is still hiding if a window touches it
[11:41] <elFidel> Hi - is 'System Settings' -> 'CompizConfig Settings Manager' -> 'Unity Plugin' -> Hide = Never supposed to work in unity 2d?
[11:42] <elFidel> basically i would like to just disable the entire hide-function
[11:45] <coz_>  good day al;l
[12:00] <elFidel> hi - is it possible to disable the HIDE function of the unity-launcher?
[12:09] <gidorah> helloi i upgraded to 11.04 but after make some changes on compiz-config unity has gone. there is no gui. please help me to restore the original settings.
[12:12] <coz_> elFidel,  open ccsm and click on the compiz unity plugin ,, you will find it under the pull down menu
[12:13] <coz_> gidorah,   can you get into  tex console...yes?
[12:13] <susundberg> gidorah: radical, but easy way is to rename home directory
[12:13] <coz_> text
[12:13] <coz_>  text console rather
[12:13] <gidorah> ctrl+alt+t wont start terminal
[12:14] <elFidel> coz_: i found the basic settings already in compiz -> unity
[12:14] <elFidel> but it doenst work
[12:14] <elFidel> or are you talking about a different switch?
[12:14] <coz_> elFidel,  which did you choose under there?
[12:14] <elFidel> i selected compiz -> ubuntu unity plugin
[12:14] <susundberg> gidorah: how about ctrl+alt+f1 =
[12:14] <elFidel> there i choose NEVER
[12:14] <susundberg> = equals ?
[12:15] <coz_> elFidel,  mm that should work
[12:15] <elFidel> coz_: i even tested a re-login. but stil lthat unity launcher seems to love hiding
[12:15] <gnomefreak> compiz is broken still when trying to use plugins, they are not compatible
[12:15] <elFidel> coz_: well it doenst for me on 11.04 using unity-2d
[12:15] <gnomefreak> dont recall bug # though
[12:15] <coz_> elFidel,   mm  did you also update the system with    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   ...yes?
[12:16] <coz_> gnomefreak,  can you open ccsm
[12:16] <elFidel> coz_: after doing that setting? i dont see a reason
[12:16] <elFidel> but yeah i can for sure double-check if there are outstanding updates
[12:17] <elFidel> coz_: running it again - interessted in the result after having finished the upgrades?
[12:17] <coz_> gnomefreak,   you might want to remove the compiz settings from the previous install under  ~/home/yourname    hit ctrl+h to show hidden files,, click on .config and delete the compiz folder
[12:17] <coz_> elFidel,  yep :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> coz_: its not just me its a big bug
[12:18] <coz_> gnomefreak,  oh? ok then  I am not aware of it
[12:19] <coz_> gnomefreak,  I will have to log into unity to test it
[12:21] <gnomefreak> coz_: im looking for the bug atm
[12:21] <coz_> ok
[12:24] <SupeR_NovA> help
[12:24] <SupeR_NovA> usr lib gconv utf 16 so..?
[12:24] <SupeR_NovA> nod32
[12:24] <gidorah> ctrl+alt+f1 works
[12:24] <gidorah> what i must do?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> coz_: elFidel see Bug #685552 for more info. that should be what your seeing or at least close to it. remember i just got here
[12:26] <gnomefreak> my bug is one of the duplicates
[12:26] <Debolaz> Hmm, full disk encryption with btrfs is broken in Natty.
[12:27] <gnomefreak> i cant add a launcher to panel anymore
[12:28] <forces> is it true? natty wont have RC version?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> well i got it there but not like i had hoped
[12:29] <yofel_> forces: yes, instead we're getting 2 betas
[12:29] <gnomefreak> forces: i havent heard but it is possible. although alot of work still needs to be done
[12:30] <gidorah> hello, after i made some changes on compiz-config  gui has crashed. gui wont start. how will i restore the original settings?
[12:30] <yofel> the RC was dropped as it would have been released during easter, where most canonical folks are on holiday
[12:30] <arand> Debolaz: Is it even supported?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> gidorah: see Bug #685552
[12:31] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:34] <Debolaz> arand: It worked fine in the previous ubuntu release.
[12:34] <Debolaz> arand: I'm not sure if it's the FDE or btrfs that is causing the problem though.
[12:34] <arand> Debolaz: Oh, well in that case report it as a bug for sure.
[12:34] <Debolaz> arand: I will try doing an installation with btrfs only later.
[12:35] <arand> Debolaz: Are you doing btrfs with subvolumes? Bofore as well?
[12:35] <Debolaz> arand: Just a standard installation with ext4 replaced with btrfs.
[12:35] <arand> Automatic from Ubiquity?
[12:36] <xskydevilx> Can I and how do I install Gnome 3 in Maverick Meerkat?
[12:36] <arand> Do you have a separate /boot?
[12:36] <arand> xskydevilx: Using a PPA, but it is unstable still
[12:37] <Debolaz> arand: Using the alternate iso, I let the installer set up the partitions. The installer creates a separate /boot by default yes. Then I change the plan for / from ext4 to btrfs.
[12:37] <yofel> xskydevilx: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but it seems like the gtk theming doesn't quite work at the moment
[12:38] <Debolaz> arand: This formula works with 10.10, but not 11.04
[12:38] <yofel> xskydevilx: ah wait, I don't think we have gnome3 for maverick, only natty
[12:38] <arand> Debolaz: Well, the installer sets up two subvolumes for / and /home by default, I'm not sure if that was the case in 10.10 and if the encryption can handle this...
[12:39] <xskydevilx> arand: Really? I though it was available for Maverick as well.
[12:39] <arand> yofel: It's possible to do I've heard, probably even more unstable that it already is for natty though...
[12:39] <gnomefreak> we dont as they it wont work on maverick. you can build it yourself however it will have more breakage than most can stand, as one example the themeing will be off as yofel said
[12:39] <gnomefreak> -they
[12:39] <Debolaz> arand: Having an encrypted drive is officially supported though. I doubt what you describe there is the problem, but if it is, it's a huge bug.
[12:40] <arand> xskydevilx: Hmm, the PPA is meant for natty, it may be possible to shoehorn it it, again expect it to break though...
[12:40] <gnomefreak> IIRC you will lose use of classic desktop so once you do it you are stuck with it
[12:41] <yofel> yep
[12:41] <Debolaz> But like I said, I suspect that btrfs is the problem. Full disk encryption is fairly well tested and understood in Linux; Having / as btrfs is otoh fairly new, I suspect an update may have broken that.
[12:41] <arand> Debolaz: Yea, either it's a technical bug, or a bug that the installer doesn't warn about it.
[12:41] <nerdy_kid> hi every one, i am using nautilus elementary with Unity, and I get this problem:  http://ubuntuone.com/p/m3b/  (icons are too far to the left) is there a way to fix this?
[12:41] <xskydevilx> arand: Yeah, thanks for the info, anyways.
[12:42] <elFidel> mh - running another dist-upgrade didnt solve the unity-2d-hide-issue
[12:42] <gnomefreak> best to wait 3 or 4 weeks when natty is released but there are still alot of unity bugs left, but they *should* be fixed by release
[12:42] <elFidel> anyone able to disable the unity-2-d-launcher-hide-function via compiz-settings?
[12:42] <Debolaz> It takes over 2 hours to install an encrypted harddrive (Due to what I suspect is a wildely inefficient writing implementation), so I dont really have the time to test that, but I can test a btrfs installation.
[12:43] <yofel> elFidel: I somehow doubt that even should work as unity-2d obviously doesn't use compiz
[12:43] <Debolaz> If btrfs is what's broken, it's not the end of the world, it's not officially supported. It's just a shame since it worked so beautifully in 10.10 :)
[12:44] <elFidel> yofel: oh - thats a good point
[12:44] <elFidel> i ignored that fact that i am using 2d - and just searched how to disable the hid-function for unity in general
[12:44] <gnomefreak> yay i finally got minefield where i wanted it in dock :)
[12:44] <elFidel> yofel: thanks for the idea
[12:44] <yofel> elFidel: it might be worth a report though that the settings aren't shared between 2D and 3D
[12:45] <gnomefreak> does it work in classic?
[12:45] <elFidel> yofel: do you know by chance where to report?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> desktop edition needs 3d where as classic does not
[12:46] <gnomefreak> elFidel: open terminal and type ubuntu-bug packagename   replace package name with name of package
[12:46] <yofel> elFidel: I would use 'ubuntu-bug unity-2d'
[12:46] <arand> Debolaz: I'm asking in -installer, hoping cjwatson is around... Should at least clear out what would be the best target to report the bug against.
[12:46] <yofel> and I heard the option does work in unity, but I'm not using it myself
[12:46] <psypher246> hi all, under which application would i log a bug for Grid animations (aero snap)
[12:47] <elFidel> thanks guys
[12:47] <Debolaz> arand: Could you mail me the details of where to report it when you find out?
[12:47] <Debolaz> arand: I may not be around on IRC for a little while. Sitting on the train atm. :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> is it the installer or is it the choice?
[12:47] <arand> Debolaz: Sure
[12:48] <Debolaz> I'll have the btrfs installation tested later tonight.
[12:48]  * gnomefreak too lazy to scroll today
[12:49] <arand> Debolaz: "12:47 < cjwatson> arand: maverick didn't do the subvolumes thing.  I don't know about btrfs + full-disk encryption - would need to see logs"
[12:50] <gnomefreak> flash is still screwed up here
[12:50] <arand> Debolaz: So it may be that it is dependent on the different behaviour of subvolumes, though I'm not sure...
[12:50] <Debolaz> arand: As long as FDE still works with ext4, I'll be mostly happy.
[12:52] <arand> Debolaz: You could try (if possible) to add a "rootflags=subvol=@" option to the kernel boot line?
[12:53] <arand> Debolaz: http://paste.debian.net/113677/
[12:55] <arand> Debolaz: the logs from the installer would likely be very helpful when you report the bug.
[12:55] <Debolaz> Unfortunately, I need this netbook most of this week, so I can't spend the 5 hours needed until the weekend. :)
[12:55] <Debolaz> (FDE installations are *very* slow with Ubuntu)
[12:55] <psypher246> hi all, under which application would i log a bug for Grid animations (aero snap)
[12:56] <Debolaz> (Well, on crappy hardware anyway)
[12:56] <arand> Debolaz: Ah, =)
[12:56] <Debolaz> Writing to an FDE disk = Bonecrushingly slow. Reading is as fast as reading from a normal disk though.
[12:57] <Debolaz> So it's not a problem except during installation.
[12:57] <elFidel> yofel: thx again - i didnt knew ubuntu-bug/apport-bug before. Submitted the issue - lets see if its really unity-2d vs compiz related.
[12:59] <Debolaz> I suspect this is due the need to read the entire block before writing to any part of it, and the Linux implementation hasn't optimized that much.
[12:59] <Debolaz> And it's probably exponentially more noticable on slower harddrives.
[13:01]  * Debolaz disappears (Or at least disconnects from bouncer), train almost there.
[13:28] <psypher246> hi all, under which application would i log a bug for Grid animations (aero snap)	
[13:28] <psypher246> compiz?
[13:28] <Pici> I'd think so.
[13:32] <Iszak> Is it safe to upgrade to 11.04 via update-manager -d?
[13:34] <psypher246> Pici: is says: sihnce i am running unity is the issue with unity or compiz?
[13:41] <spthysis_> I have 11.04 on the MBA
[13:41] <spthysis_> but sound isn't working.
[13:44] <Hoaas> Hi. I currently have Firefox (or, Minefield) 4.2 set as preferred browser. There is no other option on the list, found at System > Preferences > Preferred Applications. Can I manually change this somehow? (I want Firefox 4.0 to be default browser)
[13:47] <spthysis_> Help anyone?
[13:47] <spthysis_> 11.04 no sound :/
[13:52] <Omega> spthysis_: Did it work with 10.10?
[13:52] <spthysis_> yes
[13:52] <Omega> spthysis_: Not many people are here right now, I think it's better to ask on the forum.
[13:52] <spthysis_> Omega: Alright.
[14:00] <bullgard4> [Banshee 2.0.0] I play a song from Music > Unheard. After it has been played to its end, it does not disappear from Music > Unheard. Is this a known bug?
[14:01] <elFidel> does it disappear after restarting the app?
[14:03] <bullgard4> !prefix | elFidel
[14:05] <elFidel> bullgard4: i assume you know who i was talking too - right? ;)
[14:11] <LarsTorben> hello
[14:11] <LarsTorben> can i get help here ?
[14:11] <thiebaude> hey LarsTorben
[14:11] <dan___> just ask
[14:11] <dan___> maybe someone can help
[14:11] <LarsTorben> okay
[14:12] <LarsTorben> first:
[14:12] <LarsTorben> can i install Ubuntu 11.04 beta 2 on my pc or isnt it good ?
[14:13] <thiebaude> that might vary from person to person, its ok np here :)
[14:13] <dan___> i would not install it on a maschine youe need on a daily basis
[14:13] <thiebaude> LarsTorben,
[14:13] <LarsTorben> should i change to kde at ubuntu 11.10
[14:13] <thiebaude> i use it as my only oS
[14:13] <thiebaude> os
[14:13] <dan___> why do you wnat to switch?
[14:13] <dan___> if oyu like kde better, sure
[14:13] <LarsTorben> ubuntu 11.10 come without
[14:13] <LarsTorben> gnome i heard
[14:13] <dan___> it comes without the normal gnome desktop afaik, without the gnome shell
[14:14] <dan___> only with the unity feature
[14:14] <yofel> no, it comes with gnome 2.32, but unity is used by default
[14:14] <LarsTorben> ok
[14:14] <LarsTorben> i mean ubuntu 11.10
[14:14] <LarsTorben> not 11.04 ? ;)
[14:14] <dan___> last i read, 11.10 will only feature unity
[14:14] <LarsTorben> yes
[14:14] <LarsTorben> me 2
[14:14] <yofel> LarsTorben: the plans for oneiric are deicded on UDS-O which is in May
[14:14] <dan___> but its a safe bet to say there will be third party repositorys for normal gnome
[14:14] <LarsTorben> yofel: so is only unity ?
[14:15] <dan___> not sure yet, seems at the moment
[14:15] <yofel> no idea, I don't follow neither marks plans nor canonicals much, but before UDS everything are only rumors
[14:15] <LarsTorben> i dont like unity
[14:15] <LarsTorben> what should i do if only unity there ??
[14:15] <dan___> geizhals.at
[14:15] <dan___> gamestar.de
[14:15] <dan___> sry
[14:15] <dan___> that was not supposed to go in here
[14:16] <yofel> well, this is a gnome distro, so I would be surprised if they completely dropped gnome-shell
[14:16] <dan___> LarsTorben: there will be third party repositorys for normal gnome
[14:16] <dan___> yofel: its not in 11.04 surprise surprise
[14:16] <thiebaude> gnome is not going anywhere soon :)
[14:16] <LarsTorben> okay are YOU using gnome too ?
[14:16] <dan___> i am
[14:16] <LarsTorben> ok thanks
[14:16] <dan___> installing gnome-shell on 11.04 right now
[14:17] <thiebaude> dan___, tell me how it goes, cos i might do that myself
[14:17] <yofel> well, I'm using KDE, but from my unity/gnome tests I prefer gnome-shell over gnome, although I don't really like neither
[14:17] <yofel> er... gnome-shell over unity
[14:17] <dan___> thiebaude: will do
[14:17] <thiebaude> thanks
[14:17] <thiebaude> been using gnome over 5 years now :)
[14:17] <LarsTorben> i dont want gnome shell and i dont want unit y
[14:18] <yofel> gnome-shell from the PPA works here, but the gtk theming seems broken for me
[14:18] <dan___> i cant work with unity, ill give gnome-shell a try now, if thats a no go either i remain with gnome 2.x
[14:18] <thiebaude> me either dan___
[14:18] <yofel> LarsTorben: then stick to natty with ubuntu classic or use KDE/XFCE/LXDE/...
[14:18] <LarsTorben> ok
[14:18] <LarsTorben> at the moment i use ubuntu 10.04
[14:18] <benzaldehyde> <- fluxbox
[14:19] <yofel> LarsTorben: probably worth to stick to that then
[14:19] <LarsTorben> yes but i maybe upgrade
[14:19] <LarsTorben> to 11.04
[14:19] <LarsTorben> but no 10.10
[14:19] <LarsTorben> not
[14:19] <dan___> thiebaude: i am trying out the UGR now
[14:20] <yofel> LarsTorben: we don't support upgrading from 10.04 to 11.04 *without* upgrading to 10.10 in between
[14:21] <LarsTorben> yes
[14:21] <LarsTorben> i do new install
[14:21] <yofel> ah ok
[14:21] <LarsTorben> :)
[14:21] <rocky> hrm... as of this morning's natty updates i can no longer click on the tomboy icon in my task tray
[14:22] <thiebaude> dan___, ok cool
[14:22] <thiebaude> i went to get my coffee,lol :)
[14:22] <dan___> thiebaude: some dep errors till now, lets see how it works out
[14:22] <thiebaude> ok
[14:23] <jedix> 10.04->10.10->11.04 is twice as likely to have issues
[14:23] <jedix> that's the way I see it
[14:23] <dan___> i upgraded from 6.x
[14:23] <thiebaude> i know when i tried gnome 3 from the ppa the last 2 times it messed my system up
[14:23] <dan___> every release
[14:23] <dan___> noo problems
[14:24] <thiebaude> i got to go and install 102mb of updates :)
[14:28] <mbeierl> sorry if this has been asked far too often already: what's the upgrade plan for unity vs. people who want to stick to their current compiz rotating cube?
[14:28] <Pici> mbeierl: Upgraded installs will keep their current desktop environment.
[14:29] <mbeierl> Pici: thanks!  I've got one daughter who already switched to unity in 10.10 for her netbook, and the second hates it and wants to keep the more traditional menu approach.  Didn't want a war on my hands :)
[14:29] <dan___> mbeierl: on the login screen select ubuntu classic desktop
[14:30] <mbeierl> dan___: even better!  an easy switch approach!
[14:40] <audhi> wallyworld i cannot add extra animatiions in ubuntu 11.04
[14:40] <audhi> say any idea geojorg
[14:41] <geojorg> audhi, Hi
[14:41] <BluesKaj>  Howdy
[14:41] <wallyworld_> audhi: sorry, i can't really help you there.
[14:42] <geojorg> audhi: What is the problem ?
[14:42] <audhi>  i cannot add extra animations in ubuntu 11.04  what do i have to do geojorg
[14:43] <geojorg> audhi: do you use nvidia, ati or intel ?
[14:44] <audhi> i use intel do i have install driver?
[14:44] <audhi> geojorg
[14:53] <dan___> thiebaude: dependency issues with the meta package, allthough gnome shell installs
[14:54] <thiebaude> dan___, thanks dan, i better hold off on that for now :)
[14:57] <Milos_SD> Hello
[14:58] <Milos_SD> I just did update, and now I can't enter Unity and Gnome classic sessions
[14:59] <Milos_SD> I didn't updated libnux, becouse it wants to remove unity :)
[15:00] <Saamm>  how to fix this bug...I can't use firefox 4 in unity becoz of this --> Bug #751067
[15:03] <spthysis_> Hi
[15:04] <thiebaude> hi spthysis_
[15:07] <gman> hello
[15:07] <Milos_SD> the problematic packages are: nux-tools (updated), libnux-0.9.0 and libnux-0.9-common (not updated becouse it says they "brokes" unity)
[15:08] <Milos_SD> "breaks" unity*
[15:09] <spirals> Synergy broken for anyone else since yesterday? Trying to troubleshoot/work out a fix at the moment. Starting by applying today's updates.
[15:09] <spirals> I'm running Synergy 1.3.6-1ubuntu1 on the Ubuntu side as server, 1.3.6 stable on the Win7 side as client. Client won't connect, times out mysteriously after it says it's connected.
[15:13] <nit-wit> spirals, haven't tried synergy but here is a link..http://www.webupd8.org/2010/07/synergy-control-multiple-computers-with.html
[15:13] <benzaldehyde> trying to rid myself of that hideous splash screen at the gdm login point to no avail
[15:23] <spirals> nit-wit, thank you. I did have it all working for years :)
[15:24] <spirals> nit-wit, it seems to have broken via some subtle interaction of libs in a recent natty update, I'm sure it will un break ... as nothing I have done short of updating to 1.4 beta Synergy has fixed it, and I didn't change the client config before it broke
[15:24] <spirals> Going to try 1.4 if today's natty push doesn't fix it
[15:28] <forces> saluton
[15:34] <IdleOne> !gnome3
[15:34] <arand> IdleOne: Cheers =)
[15:35] <IdleOne> Pici: added it
[15:35] <IdleOne> I was just testing :)
[15:35]  * Pici nods
[15:35] <thiebaude> god luck with that,lol
[15:35] <thiebaude> good
[15:36] <arand> It's a _very_ common question...
[15:41] <spirals> nit-wit, Awesome! Today's natty updates fixed the problem - so it was probably only broken for 24 hours or so in repos
[15:41] <spirals> nit-wit, if you haven't used Synergy I do highly recommend it for ANY multiple computer office setup. Can't live without it myself.
[15:41] <thiebaude> what is synergy?
[15:42] <nit-wit> spirals, cool
[15:42] <spirals> Synergy lets you share a computer's keyboard and mouse across the network.
[15:42] <thiebaude> cool :)
[15:42] <spirals> You have your key/mouse machine be the server, and any number of clients connect
[15:42] <spirals> it's wicked
[15:42] <spirals> totally seamless, with clipboard support
[15:42] <nit-wit> spirals, I like what it looks to do but have no actual use, I'm a student and owner operator of my own businesss.
[15:43] <spirals> nit-wit, I use it to run my laptop while on my desktop. It's great for that.
[15:43] <dan___> yeah but keyboard layout gets lost when switching maschine with synergy
[15:43] <dan___> at least with gnome 3
[15:44] <ceed^> It's an insane amount of updates today. Any serious problems with them noticed?
[15:44] <spirals> dan___, interesting. i've been using it with gnome2, kde 4.6, fluxbox on the server side... win7 home on the client side... same layout on both machines though
[15:44] <spirals> ceed^, the updates actually fixed problems for me, i'd say the last push before this was the 'problem' hehe
[15:44] <dan___> spirals: here too, just istalled gnome3
[15:45] <dan___> english keyboard on gnome3 laptop which is controled by desktop synegry
[15:45] <dan___> both machines have german layout, very weird
[15:45] <ceed^> spirals, good to know, thanks. My install is pretty buggy right now. I do not think I could take much worse :)
[15:45] <Pici> !gnome3
[15:45] <Daekdroom> They not only may, but they currently do break the system for sure, don't they?
[15:45] <dan___> !yawn
[15:46] <yofel> gnome-shell works for me yesterday from the PPA
[15:46] <Daekdroom> yofel, does the GTK themeing work?
[15:46] <Daekdroom> GDM?
[15:46] <dan___> installed the ugr an hour ago
[15:46] <Daekdroom> Unity?
[15:46] <yofel> I heard the PPA does break unity though
[15:46] <dan___> works somewhat ;)
[15:46] <yofel> and I don't use GDM, I use KDM, the themeing doesn't quite work either, true
[15:47] <ceed^> dan___, "somewhat" is a hard term to interpret at times. :)
[15:47] <dan___> indeed :)
[15:47] <dan___> would not use it on a mashcine i use on a daily basis
[15:47] <Daekdroom> Atleast Gnome shell doesn't crash mutter every 30 seconds like it used to.
[15:59] <audhi> is geojorg online?
[16:02] <audhi>  geojorg are you here?
[16:03] <bp0> anyone got ubuntu beta working in virtualbox 4.04?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> bp0: I can install in VBox, but not see unity. It has to run the classic-gnome session instead
[16:05] <thiebaude> bbl, got to setup my computer in another area :)
[16:05] <bp0> I can install also, but when it tries to start after rebooting, vbox crashes
[16:05] <bp0> i can't even use classic-gnome
[16:05] <bp0> doesn't get that far
[16:10] <Milos_SD> Hi
[16:10] <Milos_SD> Anyone haveing problems with Unity and Classical gnome sessions?
[16:11] <Milos_SD> When I login to "Ubuntu desktop", "Ubunti classic" or "Ubuntu classic (no effects). my PC freez
[16:11] <Milos_SD> and I need to hard restart it
[16:12] <Milos_SD> KDE session works btw ...
[16:12] <ceed^> Milos_SD, what kind of graphisc card, and are you using the correct driver, and is it installed properly?
[16:12] <Milos_SD> ceed^, I have nvidia card, with nvidia drivers installed :)
[16:13] <Milos_SD> ceed^, it worked ok until todays updates :(
[16:13] <ceed^> yikes. installing those now. And I have nvidia also....
[16:14] <Milos_SD> It seems like something is eating memory... I managed to enter classical desktop without effects ones, and system monitor applet showed I/O wait when PC froze
[16:14] <ceed^> Milos_SD, I've noticed a large memory leak in Compiz. Hoping it's fixed now.
[16:15] <Milos_SD> ceed^, it is not compiz, classic seassion (no effects) doesn't have compiz on :)
[16:16] <Milos_SD> maybe it has something to do with update to gtk ( from 2.91 to 3.0 ) :)
[16:16] <ceed^> ah, sorry didn't get that part. Copiz has a leak though :)
[16:16] <ceed^> Gonna reboot after the 95 updates. Wish me luck :)
[16:16] <Milos_SD> ceed^, Install KDE desktop just to be sure you can use your PC :)
[16:17] <Milos_SD> and good luck :)
[16:17] <ceed^> Milos_SD, but I thought no effects desktop still works for you?
[16:17] <Milos_SD> ceed^, no it doesn't ... I managed to enter it ones, and use it for few minutes
[16:18] <Milos_SD> until I clicked on panel and "add applets to panel"
[16:18] <Milos_SD> that it froze :)
[16:18] <ceed^> yikes. KDE here I come! :) Reboot canceled! :)
[16:19] <ceed^> Which package makes sure I get a working KDE installed?
[16:19] <Milos_SD> ceed^, kubuntu-desktop maybe... don't know... I installed it a long time ago ...
[16:19] <Milos_SD> but never used it :)
[16:20] <ceed^> ah ok
[16:21] <arand> Debolaz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/757631 (also emailing).
[16:21] <ceed^> Gotta figure that out first.
[16:23] <ceed^> 304 packages to get kde....
[16:36] <ceed^> Milos_SD, works fine here in Unity after the updates. Says I have Kubuntu now though when I boot. :)
[16:37] <yofel> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[16:37] <yofel> there you can change that back
[16:41] <araujo> guys, is it ok to install http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.38-natty/ in Maverick ?
[16:41] <araujo> has anyone tried?
[16:41] <jedix> I haven't tried.. I'd build my own kernel before doing that
[16:42] <arand> Mainline is always to be considered unstable...
[16:42] <araujo> ok, I see
[16:42] <arand> Though very useful for taesting
[16:43] <jedix> isn't it backported?
[16:43] <arand> Mainline kernels will be stripped of all ubuntu-specific patches as well.. afaik.
[16:43] <jedix> mainline is unstable?
[16:43] <benzaldehyde> araujo: i'm not in maverick but then i did upgrade to that kernel, there was a error i did not recognize about crypt something on my / partition and fstab, looked into it and supposedly has something to do with casper and initramfs, all things that are above my head. not saying do not do it, not saying do it.
[16:43] <jedix> mainline is not unstable.. ubuntu-specific patches are gone for sure.
[16:44] <jedix> especially a kernel which has had three releases
[16:44] <arand> Well unsupported and "may fail to work with ubuntu" is I guess more correct terminology.
[16:45] <araujo> benzaldehyde, I see.. well, basically I am trying to get a newer kernel for maverick than the current 2.6.35 , because I hit this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/524281
[16:46] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:54] <Milos_SD> ceed^, then it is something with my install or hardware :(
[17:06] <Milos_SD> ceed^, Unity works now... very strange :S I didn't do anything (no updates) :
[17:13] <ubuntu> hello
[17:17] <skpl> anyone awake in here?
[17:17] <hicham> hi, is this the right place to ask about unity ?
[17:17] <trism> hicham: in 11.04, yes
[17:18] <hicham> trism: I am trying to build it on Fedora, but some build/install options seems to be hard to find
[17:18] <lcb> was skpl the person in charge of the wakeup call? :o
[17:19] <thiebaude> lol :)
[17:20] <lcb> :)
[17:22] <hicham> compiz plugin seems to be installed to the home dir
[17:25] <trism> hicham: may want to ask in #ayatana or on the mailing list found here: http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/ , recent news articles give me the impression it may not be entirely straightforward to get working well in fedora
[17:25] <hicham> trism : it builds here anyway
[17:28] <lizard_2k1> hi all again
[17:30] <thiebaude> hey lizard_2k1
[17:30] <lizard_2k1> yesterday my gnome wear kde and run out.. today i return theys..
[17:31] <lizard_2k1> i pride myself :-<
[17:41] <ninjai> hey guys, any reason why virtualbox's controls are all grayed out in 11.04?
[18:06] <ceed^> Is there a way to restart unity without logging out?
[18:07] <arand> ceed^: My guess would be unity --replace &disown
[18:10] <ceed^> arand, I'll try that, thanks.
[18:10] <phoenix_firebrd> I have been getting updates daily. There are more than 50 compoents for update on daily. I see some of them are getting repeated. Apps like xbmc, firefox etc. The firefox  before the update was version 4  stable and when i see the change log for firefox update it shows " push firefox to version 4 final". Are these updates normal or is something wrong with my sources list
[18:11] <thiebaude> firefox was changed from the rc to final in the updates phoenix_firebrd
[18:11] <arand> phoenix_firebrd: Not really, dev version sees rapid changes since it's developing...
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> arand: how do i know mine is dev version
[18:12] <arand> dev version as in natty...
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> thiebaude: when was the update issued?
[18:13] <arand> !lp
[18:13] <thiebaude> i had mine about 3 hrs ago
[18:13] <SwedeMike> they rebuild the packages a lot of the time.
[18:13] <thiebaude> 102 mb worth of updates
[18:13] <SwedeMike> phoenix_firebrd: things happen quickly in the alpha/beta stage 11.04 is in right now
[18:13] <hicham> trism : last issue is how to change gconf install dir for unity ?
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> thiebaude: then its because of what arand said
[18:13] <thiebaude> exaclty
[18:14] <hicham> trism: schemas get installed to /usr/share/gconf/schemas
[18:14] <thiebaude> and what SwedeMike  says
[18:15] <phoenix_firebrd> SwedeMike: hmmm, i am not aware of that, but i didnt expect so much of updates per day. Thats a good sign of developement
[18:15] <SwedeMike> phoenix_firebrd: well, if you update every 3-4 days, then you'll still just get the new package ones, instead of the X revisions in between. Unless you have a serious problem, it might be good to not update several times a day.
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> SwedeMike: ya right. i will change the update check intervel now
[18:17] <ninjai> hey guys, any reason why virtualbox's controls are all grayed out in 11.04?
[18:19] <thiebaude> bbl off to watch "thetechbuzz":)
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Thank you guys for the support
[18:20] <charlie-tca> ninjai: they are grayed until you create a virtual machine and click on it
[18:20] <charlie-tca> ninjai: Also they gray out for the machine in use
[18:22] <ninjai> charlie-tca, what? That makes no snese.  They weren't in ubuntu 1.04.
[18:22] <charlie-tca> times change, VBox changes too
[18:23] <ninjai> charlie-tca, my windows xp VM is up and running right now, I cannot 'send ctrl+alt+del', for example.  EVERYTHING but close is gray
[18:23] <charlie-tca> I don't what is causing that. My VM allows me to use everything in Machine
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Although, I don't have Windows here, so can't test that at all
[18:24] <ninjai> charlie-tca, the only thing i can think of is that this VM is moved from another install
[18:57] <pasjr> Help, I am looking for the Unity Launcher files in Ubuntu 11.04.  Can any one tell me where to find them?
[18:58] <pasjr> Is there any Unity experts in here?
[18:58] <elshaka> halloQ
[18:58] <elshaka> !
[19:00] <blueyed> Is it expected that gsettings uses a memory backend?
[19:01] <blueyed> e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/592745/
[19:01] <blueyed> Might that be the reason that my "keep in starter" settings do not stick after re-login?
[19:01] <Daekdroom> pasjr, try #ayatana
[19:01] <blueyed> (e.g. removing Impress from the starter)
[19:02] <pasjr> O ok
[19:06] <coz_> is natty beta 2 yet?
[19:06] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[19:06] <charlie-tca> coz_: no, not scheduled until Thursday
[19:07] <MPX> Hello, added a few hundred new mp3's to my "Music" folder, but banshee or any other music player, will not add them to the library list. I figured it was an ubuntu problem and not a music player specific since the problem is also in clementine. Is there a cache somewhere that needs to be refreshed?
[19:07] <coz_> charlie-tca,  thanks I should have looked that up,, that's exactly what I wou ld have linked someone too   *:)
[19:07] <MPX> I've rescanned media, but it will only add the ones that were there before I copied over the new.
[19:07] <coz_> how are daily builds holding up?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> coz_: until today, great! today there are issues, and most of the desktop builds failed to build
[19:08] <coz_> charlie-tca,  oh  ok,, well I guess I dont download although I found alink to the minimal cd
[19:09] <coz_> charlie-tca,  the only issue with minimal is it cannot be installed from usb as far as I am aware
[19:09] <MPX> Nevermind that problem, I figured out through the terminal that none of my new files have the ".mp3" extension. Is there somehow I can do a job that adds .mp3 to all files in that folder that does not have that extension?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> coz_: I think you are correct.
[19:17] <Utkarsh> So I got this alert when I first logged into Ubuntu 11 (had low graphics settings) http://lh6.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TPgTzJw98oI/AAAAAAAACZI/KuBcFN81jtc/ubuntu11.04-no-3d-unity.png Now how can I try to enable Unity again?
[19:22] <blueyed> Can somebody please try if "gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist" uses the memory backend?
[19:23] <blueyed> MPX: in the folder (in a shell:( for i in * ; do mv "$i" "$i.mp3" ; done
[19:23] <blueyed> MPX: wait.
[19:24] <blueyed> MPX: you want to exclude files with .mp3 suffix in them already probably?
[19:25] <blueyed> MPX: use "*^*.mp3" as pattern when using zsh. otherwise you would have some more magic in the loop.
[19:25] <flopex> having a problem with 11.04. It logs out unexpectedly, for no apparent reason(without notice) it logs out.
[19:26] <blueyed> aka crashes?! look at ~/.xsession-errors(.1) (or similar)
[19:29] <blueyed> I've reported the gsettings bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/757866
[19:30] <flopex> blueyed, I don't know if the message was meant for me but I looked up the file and it contained a few warnings related to gconf
[19:34] <blueyed> flopex: yes, it was meant for you. warnings there are normal. have you looked at the .1 file? (it gets created for every login, so any error would be in the last one). I only suspect it to be a crash.
[19:38] <flopex> blueyed, I can't seem to find that .1 file.
[19:39] <blueyed> flopex: sorry, would be ~/.xsession-errors.old
[19:42] <flopex> blueyed, XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0"
[19:43] <blueyed> flopex: that might have been your X server crashing. Have you enabled apport?
[19:43] <flopex> blueyed, no I haven't. What is apport?
[19:44] <blueyed> !apport
[19:44] <blueyed> flopex: it's a service to catch crashed and make them easily reportable.
[19:44] <yofel> apport should be enabled by default currently, if not enable it in /etc/default/apport
[19:45] <blueyed> From my experience it is not good at catching X crashes anyway, so it might have just been missed.
[19:46] <zniavre> good evening
[19:46] <zniavre> do you still hav icons inside the launcher please?
[19:46] <flopex> blueyed, apport is already enabled
[19:46] <flopex> yofel, apport is already enabled
[19:47] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/AHsPn.png > mine looks empty but it is working ,just icons are missing
[19:47] <yofel> flopex: do you have anything in /var/crash/ ?
[19:49] <flopex> yofel, yes. compiz,gnome-power-manager,nautilus,gnome-settings-daemon
[19:49] <yofel> heh, then all of those crashed at some point
[19:49] <zniavre> coz_ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[19:50] <zniavre> ooops sorry too late ...
[19:53] <blueyed> zniavre: yes, I have icon still.
[19:53] <blueyed> +s
[19:54] <zniavre> blueyed,  thank you   :o(
[19:54] <zniavre> i did something wrong maybe ...
[19:59] <ZzBuntu> Anyone have issues with firefox imposing itself over default Chromium?
[20:00] <jedix> imposing itself?
[20:00] <ZzBuntu> Yea like. Ill click a link in my chat client or an email in thunderbird. And it opens in firefox
[20:00] <ZzBuntu> My default is set for chromium
[20:00] <jedix> oh, I get that in thunderbird
[20:00] <jedix> no idea how to change it
[20:01] <ZzBuntu> Its been annoying me... Its in any program for me pretty much... >.<
[20:01] <jedix> my chat client is irssi+screen, so it's hard for that to happen in here
[20:01] <ZzBuntu> Oh yea that would be
[20:01] <ZzBuntu> I use pidgin
[20:01] <jedix> i see
[20:01] <jedix> pidgin has its own setting
[20:01] <jedix> or used to
[20:01] <ZzBuntu> it does not now
[20:02] <ZzBuntu> * yes it does
[20:02] <ZzBuntu> interesting
[20:02] <jedix> yeah
[20:02] <jedix> thunderbird I dunno
[20:02] <jedix> let me see if I can fix mine
[20:02] <ZzBuntu> It gave me gnome settings
[20:02] <ZzBuntu> this is interesting
[20:03] <jedix> are you in kde or unity?
[20:03] <ZzBuntu> seems gnome has its own defaults? and so does ubuntu?
[20:03] <ZzBuntu> unity
[20:03] <ZzBuntu> well that fixed pidgin.. ill test thunderbird
[20:03] <jedix> I bet this is my issue to.. I'm in kde
[20:03] <ZzBuntu> i dont know how to get to that otherwise
[20:03] <jedix> I bet it checks gnome's default
[20:03] <ZzBuntu> yea it does
[20:03] <yofel> iirc thunderbird has it's own setting for filetype http https, so check that
[20:04] <ZzBuntu> That fixed thunderbird as well
[20:04] <ZzBuntu> Go to the gnomesearch thing and type default. There is a thing called preferred applications that seems to be causing this.
[20:04] <ZzBuntu> unless you have kde in which case i have no idea.
[20:05] <jedix> ...step one, login to gnome.. :P
[20:06] <ZzBuntu> xD
[20:06] <yofel> I'm on kde, and I usually just change the settings in thunderbird
[20:07] <ZzBuntu> idk, gnome has a new thing.. preffered applications that are messing my stuff up
[20:07] <ZzBuntu> *were
[20:07] <yofel> they changed the settings from gconf key entries to mimetype settings iirc, but that doesn't seem to work quite well currently
[20:08] <yofel> or rather not all apps take that into consideration
[20:10] <jedix> I logged into gnome and changed it in preffered applications, it works now
[20:10] <jedix> funny.
[20:11] <yofel> the details of desktop/gui-toolkit inter-communications are always funny, esp. since they don't exist most of the time
[20:11] <jedix> I wonder if it was being caused by having a gnome directory
[20:19] <ManoloMtnez> hello everyone
[20:20] <ManoloMtnez> can someone forward me to the launchpad for the following bug -have been unable to find it:
[20:20] <ManoloMtnez> when turning off natty, it cycles through a white/red/blue/green ... screens, endlessly
[20:21] <ManoloMtnez> any help? Thx
[20:22] <somewhereinthewi> im trying the 11.04 beta. ive experienced some icon problems in panel but im writing because i want install greasemonkey from software center but dont see the install button to click
[20:22] <somewhereinthewi> do i have to add some download source?
[20:27] <solidslash> somewhereinthewind: apparently it's been deleted from the main repository, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/amd64/xul-ext-greasemonkey
[20:27] <solidslash> but you can still get it from launchpad
[20:28] <solidslash> oh, i meant the universe repo
[20:30] <somewhereinthewi> solidslash: universe repo?
[20:31] <solidslash> it used to be there, i dunno really because i'm a chromium user
[20:31] <ceed^> How do I get the Home launcher added in Unity?
[20:31] <solidslash> yet you can install greasemonkey off the addons.mozilla.org
[20:32] <ManoloMtnez> hello, should I ask my question again?
[20:33] <robin0800> ManoloMtnez, is that a bug?
[20:33] <ManoloMtnez> Definitely. This is not the right channel?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> ManoloMtnez: that should come under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Freeze%20during%20boot%20or%20shutdown%20screen
[20:34] <trism> ceed^: it is in /usr/share/applications, you can drag the "Home Folder" one to the launcher (although the actual name is nautilus-home.desktop)
[20:35] <ceed^> trism, thansk! Can I do that with any folder, or?
[20:35] <trism> ceed^: yes, any .desktop file
[20:35] <ManoloMtnez> Thx, charlie-tca You are not aware of this bug, I gather?
[20:35] <ceed^> ah ok, good to know. I still feel a bit "on the outside" when it comes to Unity after years of Gnome use :)
[20:35] <charlie-tca> no, I can't think of one about that in natty
[20:36] <charlie-tca> I thought they were all fixed
[20:37]  * ceed^ thinks that natty this weekend has been the buggies buntu beta experience ever. todays updates took care of a lot of it.
[20:38] <ManoloMtnez> Oh, maybe my computer is special in a bad way, then. Not the 1st time u_u
[20:40] <ceed^> trism, one more question: How do I add a terminal based program like htop which does have a .desktop file, but runs in a terminal?
[20:41] <trism> ceed^: you could use something like: gnome-terminal -x htop; in the .desktop file on the Exec line
[20:41] <ceed^> trism, but how do I add it to the launcher in Unity? Drag the .desktop file there?
[20:41] <guntbert> how can I access the "main menu" (in unity)?
[20:41] <trism> ceed^: although the .desktop file should already do that
[20:42] <trism> ceed^: yes, you can drag any .desktop file there and it should work
[20:42] <trism> ceed^: with the update today, you're also supposed to be able to drag from the dash, but i need to relog to try it
[20:42] <ceed^> trism, ah ok. I now open htop by opening a terminal since I do not have direct access to the good 'ol main menu.
[20:43] <guntbert> ceed^: did I read correctly? "I do not have direct access to the good 'ol main menu" ?
[20:44] <ceed^> trism, I reinstalled htop now and I can access it from Unity now. It wasn't there before.
[20:44] <somewhereinthewi> solidslash: thanks for the tip on greasemonkey
[20:44] <ceed^> trism, there are items in the main menu I can't access from Unitu, like wine entries and crossover items
[20:44] <trism> guntbert: the applications launcher near the bottom should have similar functionality, you can select the categories from the drop-down at the top right
[20:45] <ceed^> guntbert, I do not have access to all the items in the main menu from Unity is what I meant.
[20:46] <guntbert> trism: yes - similar :(   - I was only wondering because the full old main menu is still editable from system preferences
[20:47] <guntbert> ceed^: understood - that was essentially my question: "is the main menu gone for good"?
[20:48] <SupeR_NovA> help
[20:48] <SupeR_NovA> nod23
[20:48] <SupeR_NovA> ilb/usr/gconv/UTF-16.so
[20:48] <SupeR_NovA> nod32*
[20:48] <Logan_> !details | SupeR_NovA
[20:48] <ceed^> guntbert, Unity seems to add the same items as the main menu. I do not know if it get it from the main menu though, or if items are added to unity separately when you install a program.
[20:48] <SupeR_NovA> !details
[20:49] <ceed^> guntbert, I wish there was a launcher editor like the menu editor available for the main menu
[20:50] <guntbert> ceed^: hmmm , I only looked at it for an hour - not certain that I dislike it ;-)
[20:51] <ceed^> guntbert, to try and answer your question: The main menu is still there since Gnome is is still an option and other desktop environments are using the main menu. However, I do not know in detail how the relationship between Unity and the main menu works.
[20:53] <guntbert> ceed^: brilliantly put, thx :-)
[20:53] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/757990
[20:54] <ceed^> guntbert, I'm going to try to manually add an item using the main menu editor and then see if that item shows up in Unity.
[20:54] <guntbert> ceed^: Good luck :-)
[20:56] <BluesKaj> someone gave me his condolences for being on KDE ..I'm beginning to think I should be offering them to him and other gnome users , due to all confusion about Unity/gnome3/classic gnome options and defaults
[20:56] <yofel> heh
[20:58] <ceed^> guntbert, I added an item to the main menu and it immediately showed up in Unity. Means that Unity gets it items directly from the main menu. However, wine menu items do not show up correctly in Unity (yet).
[20:59] <SupeR_NovA> please install the following files or packages: lib/usr/gconv/UTF-16.so
[20:59] <SupeR_NovA> ?
[20:59] <guntbert> ceed^: thx for telling me - I have no natty at hand at the moment to check your findings
[21:01] <yofel> SupeR_NovA: that's the old path, with dpkg now using multiarch it's now in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gconv/UTF-16.so
[21:11] <rww> dpkg uses multiarch in natty?
[21:11]  * rww figured they'd put it off until o-release
[21:13] <yofel> well, they forced the dpkg 1.16 pre-release into natty esp. for that
[21:14] <rww> shiny
[21:23] <DreamsofanEagle> Hey All, Ubuntu 11.04 on Dell Mini 1018, Both keyboard and Touchpad inoprative on Live CD Boot using a thumbdrive
[21:23] <DreamsofanEagle> I havn't checked to see if the installer recognizes the keyboard
[21:26] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: lenovo keyboard?
[21:26] <DreamsofanEagle> ?
[21:26] <somewhereinthewi> some icons from panel disappeared and some have other functions is there a way to reset them?
[21:27] <DreamsofanEagle> No
[21:27] <zniavre> unity --reset-icons ?
[21:27] <DreamsofanEagle> Its the built in keyboard and touchpad
[21:27] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: since you have not tried the installer does that mean at boot up you can decide which to run with the keyboard
[21:28] <DreamsofanEagle> yes, but I selected that with my USB mouse
[21:29] <DreamsofanEagle> you want me to see if the keyboard works in the installer or with the USB mouse removed?
[21:30] <somewhereinthewi> how to insert panel icons that are not in the add option like the internet connector
[21:30] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: have you checked the hardware capaitbility database at hdwdb.ubuntu.com? or filed the bug with launchpad https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty
[21:30] <DreamsofanEagle> I've tried with launchpad
[21:31] <somewhereinthewi> wich are the panel icons defaults?
[21:31] <DreamsofanEagle> I keep getting told by the website to use the prorgram
[21:31] <DreamsofanEagle> which requires a keyboard
[21:32] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: i had a simialar issue with 9.10 that turned out to be a conflict with xorg-xserver-input-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics removing the package removed the conflict
[21:32] <DreamsofanEagle> if I click on "report bug, I get sent to this page" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[21:34] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: i am in an xterm
[21:34] <DreamsofanEagle> ?
[21:35] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: no links or cut and paste in xterm
[21:36] <ceed^>  benzaldehyde , using xterm not gnome-terminal?
[21:36] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: that is correct
[21:37] <DreamsofanEagle> I get sent to the "how to report bugs" page on the ubuntu site
[21:37] <somewhereinthewi> does ubuntu have artificial intelligence? ask this cause right know the symbol to connect to internet is the shut down one. :)
[21:37] <ceed^> wow, haven't used xterm in ages.
[21:37] <ceed^> DreamsofanEagle, do you want to report a bug?
[21:37] <DreamsofanEagle> yeah, that would be nice
[21:37] <DreamsofanEagle> but I can't do it for the kernel thats the problem
[21:38] <DreamsofanEagle> keyboard doesn't work
[21:38] <DreamsofanEagle> for that matter, neither does the touch pad
[21:39] <ceed^> and this is the stock natty kernel? sounds like an xorg problem to me tho
[21:40] <DreamsofanEagle> so far as I know, I created a Live CD USB drive and tried to boot to it, but no keyboard or touch pad
[21:40] <ceed^> Never done a USB install and not even doing dual-boot, so I am not good a mixed environments.
[21:41] <DreamsofanEagle> lemme see if the keyboard works for the installer
[21:41] <DreamsofanEagle> brb
[21:42] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: why not give the alternate a try, i think the live alternate is minus a GUI but then you might be able to selectively figure out the problem by adding different window managers, if that is possible
[21:42] <benzaldehyde> dreamnid: amd or remove packages to find the conflict, if again, that being possible
[21:44] <ceed^> Wow, Chromium has lost it's orange in the latest udates. Nice! :)
[21:45] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: can't use chromium, no ppc64 support, i use midori it has a little green leaf, it's a japanese thing
[21:46] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: it uses webkit
[21:46] <ceed^> benzaldehyde, tried it a year or so  ago. was a little skimpish then. Gotten better I take it?
[21:46] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: i consider it the lesser of two evils
[21:46] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: more glitzy than dillo, faster than sea monkey
[21:46] <ceed^> I know Google is one evil, who's the other?
[21:47] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: google i don't consider evil, google is my homepage
[21:47] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: i would use chromium if given the choice
[21:48] <ceed^> benzaldehyde, A company feeling the need to tell everybody they're not eveil is as suspect in my opintion :)
[21:48] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: do no evil i believe is the motto
[21:48] <benzaldehyde> ceed^: not we are not evil
[21:48] <benzaldehyde> :D
[21:49] <ceed^> lol
[21:49] <ceed^> benzaldehyde, If you knew who I actually work for your xterm would crash :)
[21:50]  * ceed^ uses chromium anyhow
[21:50] <DreamsofanEagle> That would be a negative
[21:50] <mns`> after the last update, unity seems more fast! =D
[21:50] <DreamsofanEagle> no keyboard useability in the installer
[21:51] <mns`> i i guess the beta2 will be nice
[21:51] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: did you get my suggestion earlier?
[21:51] <ceed^> DreamsofanEagle, have you tried to load the Live CD/DVD from the drive?
[21:51] <ceed^> dvd/drive that is
[21:51] <DreamsofanEagle> yes, I can load Live CD and boot into an Ubuntu enviroment, but no keyboard
[21:52] <DreamsofanEagle> uhhhh, its a netbook
[21:52] <DreamsofanEagle> it has no CD/DVD drive
[21:52] <mello> Hi! i got a big problem, i updstet my ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 beta and when i restarted to finsih teh update it now says. error: symbol not found: grub_env_export grub rescue >
[21:52] <DreamsofanEagle> reformat and start over?
[21:53] <lcb> hello. is there a way of filling default sources.'list' repos without typing it? did an install and for some reason only cd is in there:  'deb cdrom: [Ubuntu 11.04...*... (20110411.1)]/ natty main restricted
[21:53] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: i like the netbook generation. i think cloud books have an optical drive. is yours an asus
[21:53] <DreamsofanEagle> Dell
[21:54] <mello> do i need to format and start over?
[21:54] <DreamsofanEagle> Inspiron Mini 1018, newest version
[21:54] <DreamsofanEagle> this is why I was going to opt for installing 11.04 alongside 10.10
[21:54] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: did you read what i said earlier about the alternate
[21:55]  * DreamsofanEagle bangs his head
[21:55] <mello> could i get some help plz, if any one knows what i need to do.
[21:55] <DreamsofanEagle> NO KEYBOARD
[21:55] <DreamsofanEagle> it makes the installer just a tad difficult
[21:56] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: i meant if you put the alternate image on your usb
[21:56] <charlie-tca> mello: got to reinstall grub now
[21:56] <charlie-tca> !grub2
[21:56] <DreamsofanEagle> I didn't even see that
[21:56] <DreamsofanEagle> gimme a sec
[22:00] <lcb> how to add a clean default list repositories from cli - to sources.list?
[22:01] <DreamsofanEagle> Ok, so if that works, and I get keyboard in the installer, what are my options and what do I have to do to get the regular Natty minus the Xorg conflicts?
[22:03] <gordonjcp> is it possible to run the old Gnome "Run Program..." alt-f2 launchy thing instead of the new one?
[22:04] <gordonjcp> the new one just plain doesn't work
[22:04] <zniavre> without gnome-panel it is not possible i guess
[22:04] <gordonjcp> well, I wonder if it's possible to stop it trying to auto-guess what I'm going to type
[22:04] <DreamsofanEagle> Heh
[22:04] <zniavre> :o)  i do not know
[22:05] <DreamsofanEagle> "great in theory, horrible in practice"
[22:05] <gordonjcp> I can't get used to pressing alt-f2, typing the thing I want to run, then having to wait a few seconds while it catches up, then click on the square for the program I want
[22:05] <skyjumper> gordonjcp: http://www.launchy.net/
[22:06] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: i thought you were just interested in the Live use but if you install natty from the alternate you will need access to the internet, i suggest wired vs wireless and write down ports.ubuntu.com you will need that when it asks you for a mirror. if you do an install it will put the GUI on it. the Live alternate won't, at least this is my understanding. if you aren't abl to get keyboard access from the very beginning w
[22:06] <gordonjcp> skyjumper: interesting
[22:06] <DreamsofanEagle> I went into live just to see something first
[22:06] <skyjumper> cross platform
[22:07] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: if however i am wrong you might try just installing the base system and take it from there
[22:07] <DreamsofanEagle> I was going to full install
[22:07] <mello> charlie-tca: i cant boot from the cd, how do i reinstall grub?
[22:07] <DreamsofanEagle> however without a keyboard that makes it a tad difficult
[22:07] <gordonjcp> skyjumper: well, it's got source
[22:07] <charlie-tca> That will make it harder. What about booting from usb?
[22:08] <mello> it wont start reading the cd or the usb jumps to the error right away
[22:08] <DreamsofanEagle> I don't have access to a LAN
[22:08] <DreamsofanEagle> all I have is Wifi
[22:11] <DreamsofanEagle> I'm rather suprised that Wifi works on 11.04 but not 10.10, but now the keyboard doesn't work
[22:11] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: well perhaps you will have better luck than me, if not you can, once you install the base system, go to the main isntall screen 'execute shell' subsequently issue a few commands to iwconfig to load your essid and key and all that then ifconfig up the interface and dhclient to get an ip, after you install the base system you may have to type out the full path to these tools i.e. /target/sbin/dhclient wlan0
[22:12] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: but not necessarily
[22:15] <kelbek> 1
[22:15] <kelbek> hi
[22:15] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: to be clear it is my understanding Live Alternate has no native GUI but install from alternate does, this is what i understand to be so
[22:18] <DreamsofanEagle> in english please
[22:19] <DreamsofanEagle> wait, nm
[22:19] <kelbek> hello
[22:19] <kelbek> is anyone here
[22:19] <benzaldehyde> kelbek: hello
[22:19] <kelbek> I'm newbee here
[22:19] <benzaldehyde> kelbek: welcome
[22:20] <kelbek> thx alot
[22:20] <DreamsofanEagle> Ok, it was a challenge just to compile a program, I'm not going to try something more complicated ATM
[22:20] <DreamsofanEagle> me and networks hate each other
[22:20] <DreamsofanEagle> Ok, if I manage to install Natty, can I remove the offending software?
[22:21] <kelbek> it is realy complex here :-)
[22:21] <kelbek> so much command, i firstly lern the commands
[22:21] <mello> charlie-tca: so what can i do? can i write some commands in the rescue line or something?
[22:21] <benzaldehyde> DreamsofanEagle: i am just stating what may arise, you may actually have zero issues with an install from alternate. i know for sure that 99 percent of the time whenever someone has a problem with the usb install that it is suggest to do the alternate route. there is also WUBI if your dell came with windows all ready installed you might try using WUBI
[22:22] <kelbek> i hope. i can get it :-)
[22:22] <DreamsofanEagle> No, windows 7 decided to say F you anytime I booted into it and deleted grub
[22:23] <DreamsofanEagle> I've removed Windows
[22:23] <DreamsofanEagle> just taking up space anyway
[22:23] <benzaldehyde> kelbek: you learn as you go with help from google, the forums, irc
[22:23] <DreamsofanEagle> oh crap
[22:23] <DreamsofanEagle> I've only got 2 USB ports
[22:24] <kelbek> i have it open now, i'm reading the irssi page :-)
[22:24] <DreamsofanEagle> Ok, so lets take the mouse out when I need the numpad and swap
[22:27] <kelbek> i need some help about the mount option of USB devices
[22:28] <kelbek> i try to mount my USB with the command mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[22:28] <kelbek> but i doesn't work
[22:28] <kelbek> i get an error that the fs option is false
[22:29] <kelbek> the usb device is shown correct in dmesg and /var/log/messages file
[22:30] <kelbek> other USB stick work without problem an the same laptop
[22:30] <kelbek> i just get the problem with one of them
[22:30] <kelbek> any idea, how can i fix this problem?
[22:31] <kelbek> would be very glad
[22:31] <kelbek> if anyone would/could help me
[22:32] <charlie-tca> mello:  bug 745532
[22:33] <charlie-tca> That´ s probably not the right bug?
[22:35] <mello> no its not
[22:37] <Visitor_71> hi, I just upgraded to 11.05, but at the login screen I have no options whatsoever to switch my Unity to KDE or Gnome... pls help
[22:38] <aguitel> is there anyway to install gnome 3 in ubuntu ?
[22:39] <DreamsofanEagle> aaaand, it crashes on drive repartition
[22:40] <DreamsofanEagle> unless it takes a solid 5 minutes to seperate the drives
[22:42] <benzaldehyde> kelbek: what is the result of sudo file -s /dev/sdb1
[22:43] <BajK> is there going to be some improvement in Kubuntu's installer or is partitioning still slow as hell?
[22:44] <benzaldehyde> BajK: which fs do you use
[22:44] <BajK> benzaldehyde: ext4
[22:44] <BajK> but that's not the point
[22:44] <BajK> the interface is slow as hell
[22:45] <BajK> *click on empty space* *New partition -> ext4 -> mounta s /boot -> ok* wait.. wait.. wait.. loading.. wait.. loading.. wait
[22:45] <BajK> it is a huge pain to create four partitions.. and it frequently crashes
[22:45] <BajK> i only managed to install 10.10 on my SSD using the alternate install
[22:46] <benzaldehyde> BajK: the alternate is the only thing that works for me as well
[22:46] <BajK> the Ubuntu installer is quite ok, it supports WiFi and even usb smartphone tethering!! but the Kubuntu one just ...
[22:46] <mello> i cant even format my computer what should i do, throw it out the window?
[22:47] <lcb> yes, please
[22:47] <lcb> i live downstairs
[22:47] <benzaldehyde> HA!
[22:47] <DreamsofanEagle> LOL
[22:48] <lcb> mello: what happened? maybe we can help and you trow that away with natty installed already
[22:49] <mello> got the grub rescue error
[22:49] <lcb> mello: did you tried SHIFT after bios already?
[22:50] <mello> yes when i do that it just hangs on black screen
[22:50] <benzaldehyde> i just read that a woman received plastic surgerey in the back room of a tile business and died. gee. what kind of world are we living in that a woman can not pick a few tile colors from swatches and have a little fat sucked out in the back of a dirty warehouse and live to tell the tale
[22:50] <lcb> mello: sorry i didn't see what you wrote back... you know what i mean by SHIFT before grub?
[22:51] <mello> yeah that i press shift after the bios has loaded
[22:52] <lcb> and you don't get the recovery thingy?
[22:52] <mello> no just a black screen
[22:53] <lcb> mello: if you get grub prompt and you really want to go over it to restore your system instead of installing natty again read this. it might help you http://linux-sxs.org/administration/grub-cmd.html
[22:53] <lcb> mello: or.. boot from live cd ad repair it
[22:53] <aguitel> is there anyway to install gnome 3 in ubuntu ?
[22:54] <mello> lcb: thats the problem cant boot from cd, usb anything
[22:54] <lcb> mello: are you sure your bios is accepting booting from cd?
[22:55] <mello> lcb: what do u mean accepting?
[22:55] <lcb> mello: try holding F8 to get the device for booting
[22:55] <mello> u mean boot order list
[22:55] <lcb> yes
[22:56] <lcb> +/-
[22:56] <mello> cd is first
[22:56] <lcb> and hitting F8 while loading bios ...?
[22:56] <lcb> you still don't get the cd that way?
[22:57] <thiebaude> !gnome3
[22:57] <mello> lcb: no i dont
[22:57] <lcb> thanks thiebaude & ubottu, Inc
[22:57] <thiebaude> i have tried twice and it borked my system
[22:57] <thiebaude> yw
[22:57] <lcb> mello, so that's a bios problem
[22:57] <lcb> mello: even from usb... i guess
[22:58] <mello> how can it be bios problem? it has always worked
[22:58]  * thiebaude boot to cd :)
[22:58] <lcb> mello: who knows... is the pc case open? (just curiosity)
[22:59] <mello> no
[23:00] <lcb> hmm... recheck cables, power down the syste, first. unplug the power cord. hit and hold DEL for a bit, also the power button for a bit. then while loading hit pgUp or pgDown
[23:01] <lcb> syste/m
[23:02] <lcb> before the last step you need to plug the power cord, of course
[23:03] <lcb> you might clear the system from "garbage" that way. it's not the same as resetting the bios but you might get lucky
[23:03] <mello> should i take out the bios battery and re plug it-?
[23:04] <lcb> mello: if you want to do that + the jump you'll reset the bios
[23:05] <lcb> jumpers, don't jump yet
[23:05] <lcb> you need to check where is the jumper to reseet the bios
[23:06] <lcb> damn, only typos. my middle finger is typing faster than the other ones
[23:10] <lcb> anyone know where i can get PCTV 330e driver?
[23:10] <lcb> for natty, of course
[23:10] <mello> took out the battery and still the same
[23:11] <lcb> mello, is that a production system?
[23:11] <mello> if ur asking me if im the stupidest guy on earth then yes
[23:11] <lcb> mello, remove hd and everything else except cd from bios setup
[23:12] <lcb> mello: yes, i am
[23:12] <lcb> j/k:)
[23:12] <lcb> mello: remove that from the priority device loading, i mean
[23:12] <lcb> the HD is important to remove
[23:14] <mello> srill the same
[23:14] <lcb> mello, if you don't have too many important things in the system then i thing you should install again natty. get a new iso, in case that one had something corrupted while downloading or burning
[23:14] <lcb> thing=think (in typenglish)
[23:15] <mello> yeah i would if i could boot from cd or anything
[23:15] <gordonjcp> mello: how did you install in the first place?
[23:15] <lcb> do you have hiren's,  ultimate boot cd or something like that handy?
[23:16] <mello> whats that, an external cd drive?
[23:16] <lcb> i know what you gonna say but not... sometimes those will boot
[23:16] <lcb> mello: boot utilities
[23:16] <mello> well i have one and tried with that as well
[23:16] <lcb> in cd
[23:16] <lcb> or usb
[23:16] <mello> same thing it wont boot
[23:16] <lcb> geez
[23:17] <lcb> so, trow the pc... give me 30 secs so i can run to get it.
[23:17] <lcb> :)
[23:17] <mello> lol
[23:18] <genec> mello: do you get the ISOLINUX banner or the little ICON set about to touch the keyboard for choices?
[23:18] <lcb> mello: that's sad... i'm not too familiar with grub. but anyway you are not able to get grub prompt either, isn't?!
[23:18] <mello> genec: o i dont
[23:19] <mello> no all i get is grub rescue
[23:19] <lcb> that's really weird
[23:19] <lcb> oh
[23:19] <lcb> so you might be able to rescue that :)
[23:19] <lcb> let me read the commands, if no one here helps you
[23:20] <lcb> that page i gave you b4
[23:22] <lcb> mello, it seems to be this one -> setup INSTALL_DEVICE [IMAGE_DEVICE]
[23:23] <lcb> wait
[23:23] <lcb> type root
[23:23] <mello> ok
[23:25] <lcb> mello, what is the error you get when you boot the pc?
[23:25] <lcb> exactly
[23:26] <mello> YES!!!!!!!!!!
[23:26] <lcb> yes!!
[23:26] <mello> i unpluged my hdd and i think it worked
[23:26] <lcb> damn, i didn't go outside
[23:26] <mello> yes it did
[23:26] <lcb> might be all damage
[23:26] <lcb> damaged too
[23:26] <lcb> ohh you got it.. i see
[23:26] <mello> unpluged it and repluged it and it worked
[23:26] <lcb> great
[23:26] <lcb> now take an easy, wait!
[23:27] <mello> thax for all the help lcb
[23:27] <lcb> are you waiting?
[23:27] <mello> i am
[23:27] <lcb> you need to hit SHIFT before loading grub, then select the kernel to recover
[23:27] <mello> fuck
[23:28] <lcb> then before dpkg etc, do grub first
[23:28] <mello> i dint get teh boot to work i got the os to work lcb
[23:28] <lcb> reboot and do same thing again but hitting also dpkg, clean and grub again
[23:28] <mello> im inside ubuntu, but i dont ge the meny just the bckground image
[23:29] <lcb> yeah, but you need to correct those problems. who knows you'll get them again. that's why that recovery console exists
[23:30] <mello> ok lets start over then, my bad
[23:30] <mello> what do i need to do to fix em?
[23:30] <lcb> right after bios messages press SHIFT
[23:31] <mello> ok
[23:32] <lcb> then, recovery kernel
[23:32] <lcb> then wait until loads it
[23:32] <mello> shift wont work
[23:33] <mello> o now it did
[23:33] <lcb> :)
[23:33] <mello> ok its doing its thing now
[23:33] <lcb> take it easy, the world only ends next year, december 21st, i think
[23:33] <mello> got a m:9
[23:33] <mello> it has loaded
[23:33] <lcb> you got the dialog?
[23:34] <mello> yes
[23:34] <lcb> select grub
[23:34] <lcb> wait.. a bit
[23:34] <mello> ok done
[23:34] <lcb> ok, lets do dpkg now
[23:35] <lcb> wait until finishes
[23:35] <mello> finished press enter
[23:35] <lcb> yes, updated things?
[23:36] <lcb> now clean
[23:36] <lcb> then reboot
[23:36] <lcb> then do it again but also failsafeX
[23:36] <mello> resume normal boot?
[23:36] <lcb> nooo
[23:36] <lcb> reboot
[23:36] <lcb> select root prompt
[23:36] <lcb> i think that's what is saying there
[23:37] <mello> ok and then i redo all this things?
[23:37] <lcb> then $ reboot
[23:37] <lcb> no, you'll reboot the machine
[23:37] <mello> yes but i mean after the reboot
[23:38] <lcb> you gonna press shift again to correct those x problems you got
[23:38] <lcb> trying to correct....
[23:38] <mello> yeah im in the grub meny
[23:38] <lcb> again or still?
[23:38] <mello> again
[23:38] <lcb> ahh ok, do failsafeX
[23:39] <lcb> select defaults
[23:40] <lcb> then hit cancel and resttart X
[23:40] <lcb> restart too
[23:40] <lcb> restart X is one of the options...
[23:41] <lcb> by the way, that failsafeX is weird... it needs to cancel after selecting the way to recover
[23:42] <mello> it says my graphic card and device settings could not be detected corectly u need to fix em manually
[23:42] <lcb> mello, select default
[23:42] <mello> no such option
[23:42] <lcb> it will apply the generic driver
[23:43] <lcb> yes you have
[23:43] <lcb> hit cancel until you get the first dialog again
[23:43] <mello> ok im on the first dialog again
[23:44] <lcb> do you have a choice of selecting default configuration there?
[23:44] <lcb> or after selecting recover whatever is there?
[23:44] <lcb> or repair...
[23:44] <mello> resume,clean,dpkg,failsafeX,grub,netroot,root
[23:44] <lcb> lol
[23:45] <lcb> ok... select failsafeX
[23:45] <mello> ok done it
[23:45] <lcb> now?
[23:45] <mello> now i get these options
[23:45] <lcb> repair?
[23:45] <lcb> select the one that says repair or recover
[23:46] <mello> low.grapicics mode, reconfigure, troubleshoot the error, exit to console again, restart x
[23:46] <lcb> reconfigure
[23:46] <lcb> then default
[23:46] <mello> ok noe theres a default :)
[23:46] <mello> now restart pc?
[23:47] <lcb> hit cancel. unless you get an OK
[23:47] <lcb> nooo
[23:47] <lcb> cancel, then restart X
[23:47] <lcb> restart x option, not pc
[23:47] <mello> ok did it
[23:47] <lcb> ok, now pray and send me the bill
[23:47] <lcb> not clinton
[23:47] <lcb> well, unless you know his daughter
[23:48] <lcb> kidding...
[23:48] <mello> im praying and it worked
[23:48] <lcb> hehehe
[23:48] <mello> ur the king m8
[23:48] <mello> now il send u what ever u want
[23:48] <lcb> ok, time for a pause, these ppl here might be hatting me
[23:49] <mello> dame it hanged :(
[23:49] <lcb> do it all over, the shift thing etc
[23:49] <lcb> install natty again
[23:50] <lcb> from a new iso
[23:50] <mello> will do
[23:50] <lcb> it would be better, it seems like you have that all messed up
[23:51] <lcb> mello: check those hd cables again :p
[23:51] <mello> will do that too :)
[23:51] <lcb> ok, bye buddy. keep using natty unless you want to trow the pc over the window. (this one)
[23:52] <mello> thanx again really apriciated it very much m8
[23:52] <lcb> it's ok. i get paid for it
[23:53] <lcb> most of ppl i help turn out being very good fire fighters. they learn how to extinguish their pc/s
[23:53] <lcb> :)
[23:54] <mello> :)
[23:56] <genec> mello: here's a suggestion: when you download the ISO, check it before burning it (md5sum, sha1sum and/or sha256sum)
[23:56] <genec> then burn a CD-R no faster than 16x and verify it after the burn.
[23:56] <wingnut2626> hey how can i keep my monitors from dimming
[23:56] <wingnut2626> the power management settings dont seem to affect the display dimmer
[23:59] <wingnut2626> is there anything that i can do?