[00:00] I prefer to be insulted in -offtopic [00:00] there has been no peep out of any on topic stuff in a long while [00:00] yay, midnight! [00:00] byebye unity [00:00] :P [00:00] I love unity [00:00] IdleOne, I do not feel insulted by my lack of hacker status... just challenged [00:00] don't hate unity [00:00] xD [00:00] I said I'd give it a week, I gave it a week [00:00] lol [00:00] it's still horrible [00:00] unity is awesome man [00:00] it's unusable [00:01] unity is still a work in progress [00:01] For now [00:01] but don't forgot [00:01] well [00:01] that it isn't released [00:01] yet. [00:01] its main goal is for touch screens [00:01] window buttons on the wrong side [00:01] Nah [00:01] I say netbooks [00:01] big ugly drop shadows everywhere [00:01] no weather applet [00:01] no alt-f2 [00:01] the goal though is for sliding it with your fingers [00:01] jiohdi: that's not something I'm ever going to do [00:02] gord: indicator-weather [00:02] err gordonjcp ^^ [00:02] IdleOne: ? [00:02] you said there is no weather applet [00:02] there is a PPA for indicator-weather [00:03] IdleOne: oh, so you've got to install it separately, from a third-party source [00:03] for now yes [00:03] I'm sure it will be there during final release [00:03] maybe [00:04] IdleOne: I must admit, I find it hard to determine a rational reason behind some of the design decisions in Ubuntu [00:04] Explain gordan [00:04] gordonjcp: I know what you mean. I am not a fan of Unity either. [00:05] IdleOne: I still don't get the point of the big ugly bar with the squares down the left side [00:05] if you read the rational, touch screen as the future was their idea... so its not suprizing that non-touch screen users will not find it the very best [00:05] jiohdi: right, but no-one uses a touchscreen on a desktop [00:05] I love the unity bar [00:06] so does this mean that Ubuntu is no longer a desktop OS? [00:06] I think it's a great edition [00:06] ubuntuguy: I don't [00:06] I personally love it [00:06] gordonjcp, you have a about a half a dozen desktop choices in ubuntu, you are not stuck with unity [00:06] gordonjcp: it is, you can still use classic destop [00:06] old-style task bars, you want to raise a particular window so you click on its name on the taskbar [00:06] And think ubuntu is going in the right direction [00:06] to be a different linux [00:06] operating system [00:07] the new unity one, you need to bring the mouse pointer up to the top of the screen, wait for it to appear, then mouse over each square in turn to see what it is [00:07] gordan [00:07] gordon you can hold and drag [00:07] they're comign up with a new option [00:07] where all you have to do [00:07] is [00:07] IdleOne: only in 11.04, but that'll be gone in 11.10 [00:07] which is for the touch and drag [00:07] move you mouse to the left side [00:07] !enter [00:07] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [00:07] and the bar will appear [00:07] much like a dock on auto-hide [00:07] ubuntuguy: right, but that still doesn't solve the problem [00:08] gordonjcp: I don't remember seeing that announcement [00:08] Which problem? [00:08] ubuntuguy: it shouldn't autohide, it should be along the bottom and it should have the names of the app windows instead of just squares [00:08] otherwise they're really hard to tell apart [00:08] you mean liek a windows vista taskbar? [00:09] like* [00:09] where you have the names [00:09] ? [00:09] ubuntuguy: well, like the Gnome 2 taskbar [00:09] gordonjcp: you can disable the autohide, so that it remains visible all the time [00:10] ubuntuguy: I don't know what Windows Vista looks like [00:10] I never get tired of people constantly comparing Ubuntu to WIndows or OS X [00:10] delac: still doesn't solve the problem [00:10] gordonjcp: yes, there are mmore problems, but that would make one less :) [00:10] oh [00:10] I hated that [00:10] but I'm sure someone will code something like that [00:10] delac: the big problem is working out what the squares all mean [00:11] maybe you need a more informative icon theme :# [00:11] gordonjcp: hmm, for me most of them are quite clear [00:11] Idk how it's hard though [00:11] delac: I can't "see" icons [00:11] the squares are super clear [00:12] it's a dyslexia type thing [00:12] Your unity must be messed up [00:12] And if you hover over the squares [00:12] it gives you the application's name [00:12] ubuntuguy: yes, but that's slow and a PITA [00:12] ubuntuguy: stop abusing your enter key, please [00:12] The icons are quite clear if you ask me [00:13] gordonjcp: ah, that I must admit that the accessibility of these recent ubuntu releases has not been very good [00:13] gordonjcp: can't but hope that they start to take that into account [00:13] * IdleOne takes the enter key from ubuntuguy and brings it to the enterkey_safehouse. [00:13] Lol, I'll stop pressing enter [00:13] ubuntuguy: they may be quite clear to you, they are not clear to me [00:14] Oh, ok gordon [00:15] Where's the Windows version of Startup Disk Creator hiding these days? [00:17] erm hmm, strange, Im sure I asked.. lol.. how do we get rid of that menubar on panelbar option [00:17] when using my 'classic' gnome [00:17] rww: i think the altenate cd has all that rescue capability built in [00:21] hello? No, simple re-configuraiton to normal layout not easily explained or ? [00:21] benzaldehyde: I'm not looking for rescue capability, I'm looking for the Windows version of the program to make Ubuntu LiveUSB stisk. [00:21] sticks ** [00:21] Since Ubuntu needs a magical program to do that instead of dd, because it's silly that way :\ [00:22] rww; you want a window install with peistance? [00:22] * rww faceplams [00:23] * rww hates this keyboard, facepalms [00:23] *persistence. [00:23] nit-wit: No, I want a USB stick that can install Ubuntu. Which is what I said twice now. [00:24] unetbooten [00:24] rww, search for unetbootin [00:24] netboot.me ftw [00:24] what's the easy cli command to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04? sudo do-release-upgrade -d or something similar? [00:25] that [00:25] is it already reported that compiz crashes when you enable/disable plugins? [00:25] Scunizi: better checkon the page you downloaded [00:25] or sudo update-manger -d [00:25] manager* [00:25] then it will tell you that a new distro is availible [00:25] mrmist: [00:26] rww; you doest think i actually care.;) [00:26] oops, wrong call [00:26] jiohdi: cool.. ok.. 10.10 is in a vm so I don't care if all goes belly up [01:11] GAH! [01:11] 720 updates to this system [01:36] In the update manager, I am not able to select (i.e. check) two of the given updates: translations for language English and GNOME translations for language English. [01:36] Anyone else have this problem? [01:52] hey all [01:53] now stable is natty beta 1? [01:53] anyone using it on their desktop? [01:54] katsrc, I have been using it for over a week, no major issues [01:55] firefox4 seems to have the most problems [01:55] flash flickers and crashes a bit [01:55] nothing unrecoverable [01:55] how is the unity change working? [01:56] unity refused to work at all on mine, went to iceWM [01:56] jiohdi: does the new GTK hide the excessive space in Firefox? [01:56] katsrc, not even sure what that means :) [01:56] jiohdi: is like menu button on the title bar of your Firefox 4 window? [01:57] katsrc: sure does. [01:57] I use Opera anyways, which is not part of the standard set up [01:57] katsrc, its more streamline and compact, better over all [01:57] aauthor: do you have a screenshot to share? [01:57] Yeah, just a sec. [01:57] thanks [01:57] I like the new lava theme [01:58] red and blue [01:58] the scroll bars glow when you move them through cracks [01:58] katsrc: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5725314/Screenshot-2.png [01:59] jiohdi: Is the lava theme part of ubuntu or opera? [02:00] firefox [02:00] part of their new theme set [02:01] aauthor: can you do one without full screen? [02:01] if it's not too much to ask... [02:06] Np, just a sec. [02:08] katsrc: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5725314/Screenshot-ZOMBO%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png [02:08] aauthor: ah, great thanks! [02:09] looks like it still hasn't taken advantage of the new version of GTK [02:09] it might me something at Mozilla's end [02:09] How do you mean? [02:10] !web2.0 [02:10] boo, channel specific factoids :( [02:10] aauthor: you see where the title bar is? [02:10] one thing the new firefox sometimes does is to have the tabs auto-hide [02:11] it's suppose to be merged with the tab bar for Firefox 4 [02:11] but since GTK wasn't ready yet Mozilla left it out [02:11] what is a gtk? [02:11] Windows supports it [02:11] !gtk [02:11] GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI [02:12] hopefully someone from the community will have a patched PPA [02:12] i guess it's too late to get that in Natty [02:12] sooner or later [02:13] it seems that gimp 2.8 has been delayed since 2006 [02:13] and still delaying [02:13] but Mozilla is going to release next versions very soon also [02:13] jiohdi: i heard it was due in May? [02:13] of what year? [02:13] :) [02:13] this [02:13] they have been saying that for what 5 years now :) [02:14] it was a few bugs that kept it back from being released already [02:14] they were suppose to release it in march [02:14] I have a gimp bible written in 2006 promising a 2.8 release [02:15] lol [02:16] 2.7 gets annoying to use [02:16] cause it doesn't remember any of the single window settings [02:16] i'm also anxious for 2.8 [02:16] I am still using 2.6 but the menu tear offs which I like in concept do not work [02:36] ok.. so does 11.04 run in a vm with VBox? I just did the upgrade from 10.10, enabled 3d in Vbox and still see gnome 2.xx [02:36] not unity [02:36] scunizi, I don't think it works [02:36] speaking of unity [02:37] is there a way I can make it so you bump mouse to top left to activate the menu like gnome-shell [02:38] So how does one test Unity without a text box or dual boot? is there another method? [02:39] live cd? [02:39] .... man with a scary voice being loud outside my office window... [02:39] lol [02:39] virtual box [02:40] vbox doesn't allow unity to run [02:40] you can enable 3d in virtualbox [02:40] did that.. no dice [02:40] I use a live usb drive myself [02:41] I could do that.. better than cd.. but still slow [02:41] faster than upgrading an already installed system [02:41] upgrade takes about 3 hrs [02:42] true.. maybe I'll just upgrade my lappy.. or install from usb.. were's the link to the iso for the beta? [02:42] ubuntu.com [02:42] was on the main page earlyer today [02:42] for the beta.. I've looked and looked.. unless it's hidden well, I didn't see it [02:43] AH HA.. you're right.. At the top.. 11.04 beta.. [02:44] It's in the header flash (or something) component.. if you click after it moves to Netbook then you have to wait. [02:50] what all differences are there in the netbook version [02:50] i've always ran the desktop version on my eeepc 901 [03:05] nOStahl: the netbook version is now also unity [03:43] ah so same across board [03:44] are they getting rid of netbook subset then [04:06] test [04:06] test [04:07] !test [04:07] Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use #test ) [04:09] lol [04:09] sorry [04:09] has anyone had trouble changing channel topic with empathy? [04:09] it just doesn't happen whether or not I use /topic or msg chanserv [04:09] which probably isn't an issue with empathy... [04:10] messaging chanserv with "TOPIC #channelname some topic here" doesn't work? [04:11] nope, nothing [04:11] there's no confirmation or anything [04:11] odd, there should be. I don't use empathy though, so... [04:11] about to try on another irc client [04:17] strange [04:17] other client showed channel topic but empathy displays nothing [04:24] installing the microsoft truetype core fonts from software center doesn't seem to get Times New Roman in LibreOffice [04:24] do you have to get it a different way? [04:25] bACK [04:26] Ubuntu 11.4 = beast :D [04:27] i'm trying to figure out what's wrong with my font rendering. i think it may be something to do with swapping (briefly) to try kde4.6 and going back to gnome :/ [04:29] sounds like penalty for going to the dark side [04:33] nOStahl: that's an interesting reaction. was that just because it's fun to say negative things? or do you actually consider kde to be the dark side? [04:33] every time i've tried kde things were broken feeling. [04:33] well, the reason i tried it was because of how badly unity worked for me. [04:34] and it was really quite good, but it broke badly when shifting monitor configurations (and this is a laptop) so i stopped using it. [04:34] myself I cant wait for gnome-shell [04:34] I love being able to bump mouse up to top left of screen [04:34] and type few letters and hit enter and my app is open [04:35] im playing with 11.04 and unity right now [04:35] getting all my apps installed on a fresh install [04:35] so far so good [04:35] what went wrong on your end? [04:37] the "typ ea few letters" thing is broken if you hit enter too quickly. [04:37] it launches the result of the previous search [04:38] (instead of the command that you type in which is an exact match from /usr/bin) [04:41] yeah I love unity's super -> "app name" [04:41] torchie: that's exactly the thing i was talking about [04:42] it's fly! [04:42] though I'm hoping unity'll work on my machine by the time natty goes gold [04:42] and that's one of the 'features' that convinced me to explore something else, because it's broken. [04:42] the daily build of gnome-shell sure looks nice [04:42] example, super "xeyes" (wait 2 seconds) [04:42] then super "xlogo" [04:42] I've been in no effects classic, been having crashes on unity [04:42] it will launch 2 xeyes [04:43] hmm [04:43] becasue the launcher isn't a 'run' dialog, it's an incremental search dialog, and 'enter' launches the top search result. [04:43] think that could be fixed by end of april? [04:43] so if the incremental search doesn't complete between the typing and hitting enter, it will launch the wrong thing, such as the previous search result from the previous run. [04:44] i don't know, i noted my findings on a bug report last week, haven't seen any activity on it. [04:44] it seemed to be that there was a disconnect between the design, the implementations, and the expectations. [04:45] I'm a bit worried about the dock not being visible most of the time [04:45] yeah, the dock behaved weirdly for me. couldn't access the icons that were at the bottom of the screen [04:45] like if I were to hand off the computer to someone else and tell them to open firefox it'd just be "where is that" [04:45] why did they even start the unity project? [04:45] i don't know if that was intentional or not. [04:45] gnome-shell has everything a guy could want heh [04:46] i like unity better then gnome-shell [04:47] digitalfiz: do you know if the dock icons being inaccesable via the mouse is a bug or not? [04:47] or a fix for it? [04:47] why digitalfiz [04:48] i have no clue Jerub i havent had that problem mysql [04:48] nOStahl, i dont know it just seems easier to use for me [04:48] gnome-shell was very confusing [04:48] whens last one you used [04:48] unity is more familiar [04:48] never tried gnome shell [04:48] its probably been 4months or so [04:49] download the daily build live-iso [04:49] much more refined now [04:49] digitalfiz: oh your icons don't go all the way to the bottom of the screen? [04:49] worried about the fragmentation between non-unity menu systems and unity menubar [04:49] Jerub, my icons scroll when i have a lot of stuff open and the scrolling seems to work fine [04:50] nOStahl, ill check it out im interested in gnome 3 also [04:51] ive kind of gotten used to the global menu thing jumping back and forth between ubuntu and osx i really like the continuity [04:51] global menu <3 [04:51] some people dont like it on multiple screens because of the mouse track you have to do [04:51] I've been using OSX for the past 4 years heh [04:51] globalmenu is quite nice [04:51] but i tell them learn to use the keyboard :P [04:51] so it's interesting seeing unity be almost exactly like my dock-on-left setup [04:52] torchie, i also use the elementary theme so its all very familiar to osx [04:52] dont you hate it when you tell yourself to put your shoes back on... [04:52] those thing smell bad lol [04:52] window controls on left side and colors are similair [04:52] well I'd rather not just have something that behaves like OSX [04:52] but something with the most well designed user interface paradigms [04:52] (which, the better you make them, the closer you end up to Apple) [04:52] i mainly use the elementary theme because the window controls [04:52] * torchie ducks. [04:53] i hate when they are on the right side hehe [04:55] any of you guys into electronics? [04:55] send me message [05:01] nOStahl: wrong channel. you want #electronics [05:02] thats why I said send message [05:02] i so read that as "thats what she said" [05:02] lol [05:02] the best joke even invented [05:03] agreed [05:03] i'm confused. you're asking if i'm an electronics enthusiast, and the reason is because this is the wrong channel and you want #electronics ? [05:04] thats what she sai....err ya that didnt quite work there... [05:05] since the last few updates compiz isnt crashing im me so often [05:05] that makes me happy [05:07] Does anyone have problems with (11.04) windows being stuck to the panel (on top)? [05:08] not here [05:09] flopex, hold alt and click in the window to move it down [05:10] there is a weird issue where the windows sometimes hide the controls up under the top global menu [05:10] digitalfiz, yeah I know but I mean a way to fix it. [05:10] i belive its been fixed in the latest updates because it has stopped doing that for me === SuBmUnDo is now known as SuBZzzzZZZZzzz [05:25] wow [05:25] I don't think I'll ever trust LibreOffice again [05:26] whats up [05:26] I just attempted to print my docx-formatted paper with a few tables and times new roman double spaced [05:26] opened it on word 07 at the library PC [05:26] absolutely demolished :( [05:27] ? you opened a printed document? [05:27] tables were scrambled around the page and unreadable [05:27] I opened my document on the library PC to print it lol [05:28] I had to select all, copy it, paste it into wordpad, and paste that back into word 07, then resize the tables [05:28] Maybe you should not trust Microsoft Office instead. [05:28] ya [05:28] i have a installed application that does not show up in my installed applications but when i type its name in a alt-f2 box, it launches, and goes to panel with icon. its kde dependencies with it i think. i'd like to add to dock permanantly [05:28] carry a openoffice flash drive install [05:28] I'd love to not trust the most popular word processor on the planet [05:29] would the formatting carry over properly if i saved in ODT and opened the ODT in word? [05:31] i'd install openoffice win version on a flash drive if you need to open something [05:32] that's [05:33] it works perfect cause you already are using flash drive to transfer file to computer with printer anyhow [05:33] I'm using dropbox [05:33] why [05:34] this makes both libreoffice and the operating system that comes with it preinstalled a bit difficult to advocate [05:36] i'd use a flash drive :P [05:37] well, you can't break dropbox or leave it in your other pants pocket [05:37] they have a keychain holder on all flash drives i've ever had [05:37] I use the micro sd 16gig in my phone personally [05:37] being able to save the file on one machine and it being automagically accessible on a bunch of others simultaneously is quite nice [05:37] I always have it with me [05:37] it's like a personal repository [05:37] I'm done trusting microSD for anything [05:38] sandisks, kingstons, class 10 16gb wintec filemates; just not dependable [05:39] I'm hype to get a nexus S; all internal mmm [05:39] mine is still truckin along, bought it with my eeepc 901 brand new back in the day [05:41] the 16GB I have right now I've been using in a nook color; the damn thing started declaring it unnreadable despite working perfectly in the mac [05:42] and then most of the music on it got corrupted [05:42] nook problem? [05:42] everything running into each other [05:42] nook problem maybe maybe not [05:42] regardless the internal memory on that device and every other has been far more reliable by comparison [05:43] I use my iphone for e-reader [05:43] think im over 30 or so books i've read through on the iphone so far [05:43] love it [05:44] the nook is both the gift that keeps on giving and a bit of a curse [05:44] there is nothing decent you can design with a 7 inch screen [05:44] I'd rather a 10 inch android; though I'm not sure about the viability of honeycomb tablets right now [05:44] I do development on my 8.9 inch screen heh [05:45] ouch. that's not sustainable, you need bigger screens and keyboards to get an ergonomic environment. [05:46] I mostly developed on a 13 inch [05:46] I type over 90 words a minute on my eeepc 901 [05:46] I'm wondering how well off I'd be using a netbook exclusively if I got desperate [05:46] my macbook finally kicked the bucket and this dv6000 isn't quite cutting it :( [05:46] okay, so you also know how slowly you type. :) [05:46] and I love the huge battery life I get with a 13500mah battery [05:47] come warm weather you'll see me down at the lake sitting on a bench writing articles listening to pandora heh [05:47] tough life [05:47] when I get behind a fullsize keyboard I feel like im typing on a Piano haha [05:48] how long is the battery life? [05:48] depending on settings 7-10 hours [05:48] dream machine right now would be an ultra thin and light 13" with 10 hours [05:48] motorola rokr bluetooth stereo headphones paired up for music [05:49] a rokr eh? [05:49] that's compatible with 16GB? [05:49] its bluetooth headphones [05:50] oh not the phone [05:50] paired with my cell phone and my eeepc 901 [05:51] trying banshee for first time to sync my iphone [05:51]