[07:06] aloha [07:58] good morning all [08:04] good morning [08:05] hey dholbach, good morning [08:06] hey dpm [08:23] hello everyone [08:24] dpm: hey, did you see my mail? [08:24] we don't have confirmed IRC nicks for 2 people I think [08:25] hi dholbach :) [08:25] hi nigelb, let me read it now. Who are the people we don't have nicks for? [08:25] dpm: the person from nokia and... erm let me check again [08:27] dpm: aha, and https://launchpad.net/~jose-exposito89 [08:28] nigelb, ok. I'll ask them. They are not usually on IRC, and I'm not even sure they've got a usual nickname, that's why [08:29] dpm: Yeah, I thought so :) We'd want the nicknames for classbot [08:29] nigelb, yeah, I'll ask them. Luckily they're not running sessions today yet :) [08:31] dpm: Yeah, that's why I was sort of relaxed and filled in TBD. [08:31] I'll be around tonight mostly if you need help :) [08:32] nigelb, awesome, thanks! [08:45] Morning everyone [08:46] hey kim0 :) [08:46] nigelb: heey :) [08:46] dholbach: dpm o/ hey folks [08:46] hey kim0 [08:47] heya kim0! [11:31] hmm .. someone has proposed a branch for merging into my code, I "approved" the review already. What else do I need to do to merge the code into trunk [11:32] pull his branch inside your branch and push [11:33] you'll have to use bzr though, can't be done from lp [11:33] oh that's too manual :) [11:33] okie [11:34] thanks that worked [11:34] :) [11:35] hey kim0 [11:35] just fixed bug 736113 [11:35] daker: hey man [11:35] * kim0 kicks the bot [11:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cloud-portal/+bug/736113 [11:35] * nigelb searches for the bot... [11:35] daker: pad.lv/736113 ;) [11:36] ah yes ツ [11:36] kim0, can you create an RT ticket ? [11:37] daker: awesome .. why is it marked on last line as invalid though [11:38] the ubuntu-website-content project is related to the ubuntu.com content not *.u.c [11:39] nigelb, why .lv ? [11:39] pad love :) [11:40] nigelb: mm how do I get the nice graphics with branches being merged and stuff :) [11:40] daker: IS ticket opened .. Thanks man [11:41] ticket #45205 [11:41] nop [11:41] I wonder if non canonical people can open IS tickets ? [11:41] yes [11:41] just mail rt at ubuntu dot com [11:42] daker: no idea, that's what the lp team got :) [11:42] ahh, pad love :) [11:43] ok [11:43] kim0: graphics where? [11:43] nigelb: like on https://code.launchpad.net/~kim0/mapuntu/trunk .. there is not branch graphics [11:43] which on https://launchpad.net/unity there is [11:44] kim0, https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=45205 <= "Could not load ticket 45205" [11:45] Anyone interested in relaunching maps.ubuntu.com to be hyper useful (imagine a global maps about team locations, events, markers with an api) ..etc [11:45] If so check out the great stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mapuntu/API .. join the conversation [11:45] I should blog about this today [11:45] daker: I kinda hate anything with rt in the name .. so :) [11:47] kim0, are you sure its 45205 [11:47] ? [11:50] kim0: looking [11:51] daker: I might have filed it on the canonical rt not ubuntu's [11:52] kim0: I didn't get what you meant by branch graphics [11:52] nigelb: at the unity page .. can you see the yellow area with branches ..etc [11:56] kim0: no :( [11:57] nigelb: sorry my fault :) it's not yellow [11:57] hehe [11:57] nigelb: Talking about "Series and milestones" [11:57] hah [11:58] and I guess there isnt any, coz I'd have to set some milestones first [11:58] kim0: aha, I'm fairly sure you can set milestones and assign branches for it etc [11:58] nigelb: thanks man :) sorry for the unclear wording :) [12:01] kim0: np :) === daker_ is now known as daker [12:24] Morning nigelb, [12:24] hey all, may I ask you for some help promting UADW? I could do with some RT'ing http://twitter.com/dplanella/status/57402905745047552 / http://identi.ca/notice/70815657 [12:25] (*promoting, I meant) [12:27] hey doctormo [12:27] dpm: User Advancement Day Week? [12:27] And er, request ticketing? [12:28] * nigelb kicks doctormo [12:28] nigelb: We should play another game of Westnoth at some point [12:28] Yeah [12:33] nigelb: Let me know what times of the day you're normally available to do that, maybe we can set up one of those pleia2 time-charts she uses for meetings. [12:33] haha [12:34] the problem with me is that I don't have a fixed time for sleeping and waking up [12:54] nigelb, that no fixed time thing will kill ya...:-P [12:54] * akgraner mumbles something about a pot and kettle ;-) [13:00] kids at least give you a fixed time for waking up [13:00] akgraner: did you sleep this weekend? [13:01] Pendulum, I'll say yes ;-) and imply that it means I got a lot of sleep... [13:02] hah [13:02] that I don't believe :P [13:03] mhall119, yep, though I am thinking mine are teenagers now they should in theory be able to get themselves up and out the door...however, mommy guilt kicks in and I can't help it - I have to get up with them... [13:03] Pendulum, nah I got more than I usual :-) [13:04] akgraner: I remember being a teenager....I'd sleep in past school time if allowed [13:04] mhall119, hehe [13:06] Funny thing..a friend of mine who is a die hard mac user, not reformed like me, was reading an article I had written in Linux Pro then said, yeah but you aren't aren't a professional til you've been interviewed by Leo (Laporte). Talk to me after you've made it to one of his podcasts...I died laughing and sent him a link [13:07] He then says - ok maybe there is something to this Ubuntu thing then [13:09] however he then turns to Pete and says, "you gotta a CD of this thing handy" (I mumbled a few words to them both) but at least he is looking into trying it... [13:09] lol [13:09] haha [13:11] Pete said, "Dude I download what I want - talk to Amber she *always* has a cd stashed somewhere..." [13:13] +1 [13:13] Michelle tends to have them in her car [13:14] I've mostly gone to USB nowadays [13:14] I had a box of left-over 10.04 CDs, for ubuntu, kubuntu and server, I dropped them off at my old office my last day of work [13:16] popey: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-create-screencast-in-gnome-3.html [13:16] mhall119, I only keep one or two CD's on hand (in my computer bag, purse or car) at any given time but if you were to look in my computer bag there are more than an handful of USB sticks.... [13:17] CDs are still quite useful, since buying memory sticks and giving them out is still too pricey. $1 each for CDs is a good deal. [13:18] akgraner: I lol'ed at your adventure with the mac user. [13:19] doctormo, that's a day in my life - I have crazy adventures/conversations like this all the time..Pete asked me to stop wearing an Ubuntu T-shirt when we travel b/c I talk to too many people in the airports [13:20] akgraner: Aren't they always fascinating to talk to though? [13:20] My wife is scared to bring anyone to the apartment for drinks, since she knows they'll go home with either a full install or a CD and a brainf ull of advocacy. [13:21] of course...however Pete is how do I say this, not always the most social being on the earth to total strangers... [13:21] akgraner: i get that a lot using my laptop at the airport with all its Ubuntu stickers [13:24] My kids warn their friends with the following Public Service announcement: "Do not mention computers, don't go into their offices, and don't ask what they do" [13:24] duanedesign, yep - gotta luv stickers :-) [13:24] akgraner: I guess I will get that in 16 years time from my sprog. [13:24] akgraner: pot, kettle :p [13:25] nigelb, I know right :-) [13:25] doctormo: just want to point out that it's App Developer Week not Developer Week (2 different things with very similar names) [13:26] Pendulum: Ah damn, well I guess I'm just going to call them _both_ developer weeks. Kind ofs. [13:26] :) [13:26] What is the other developer week for? [13:26] ubuntu development [13:26] the other one is more general developing ubuntu [13:27] this one is developing apps for ubuntu [13:27] one is devloping ubuntu itself [13:27] Maybe we should brand that one System Developer Week [13:27] one is developing on ubuntu (apps) [13:27] or Distro Developer Week [13:28] I think my message was generic enough that folk will check out the schedule and make their minds up from there. [13:28] yeah [13:28] I just wanted to make sure you knew it wasn't the same thing (becuase I think it's confusing anyway) [13:28] one is for using ubuntu as the development platform and the other is for developing Ubuntu, is how I explain it to people... [13:29] akgraner: I think it's just the names that make it confusing [13:29] I was just about to say that... [13:29] then I just send people to the wiki pages [13:29] App Developer Week was originally Opportunistic Developer Week, right? [13:29] yep [13:29] but even that confused people [13:29] yeah [13:30] people are destined to be confused beings :-) [13:30] haha [13:30] we can just help them out [13:30] especially on Monday mornings :P [13:30] akgraner: A-Men! [13:30] oh man, that needs to be quoted on something [13:30] we need an ubuntu quote db [13:30] there was one at some point [13:31] but it kinda flopped :) [13:31] paultag: we won 2 games! I am far too excited about this :P [13:31] something like 'words of wisdom from akgraner' [13:31] Pendulum, especially on Monday mornings - it's win-win in the confusion time continuum [13:31] apparently we're not as funny as other IRC going folks [13:31] Pendulum: against the *YANKEES*!!!! [13:31] I know! [13:31] God, I hate new york! [13:31] * paultag hugs Pendulum [13:31] Apparently what we needed was the Yankees in Boston :) [13:31] duh :) [13:31] dammit, we need #ubuntu-community-red-soxs [13:32] hehehe [13:32] s/soxs/sox [13:32] go sox! [13:32] :D [13:32] argh, extra s [13:32] Anyone here have a BSD Machine? [13:32] I might try to get tickets for Patriots Day [13:32] they still had them when I checked Saturday [13:32] Pendulum: yeah? [13:32] go for it, dude! :) [13:33] I don't want to go to a night game because it's a 2-hour drive home [13:33] paultag: I thought you were the BSD guy [13:33] (otherwise I'd have gotten tickets for this week) [13:33] paultag: mozilla has http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/ btw [13:33] nigelb: god no, I don't like it :) [13:33] Pendulum: yeah, for sure [13:33] nigelb: haha [13:34] this is my /very/ favorite http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/5303 [13:34] find people to eat... ;) [13:34] nigelb: top rated :) [13:34] nigelb, "words of wisdom from akgraner" sounds like an oxymoron to me...just sayin' :-P [13:35] but seriously, anyone have a BSD machine? I need to see if printf("foo %zu", bar); will work, given bar = size_t integer [13:35] akgraner: haha [13:35] paultag: vm vm vm vm vm ;) [13:35] akgraner: The only oxymoron I've heard of is Microsoft Works ;) [13:35] nigelb: I'm at my uni, and my home internet died so fast [13:36] nigelb: the modem started resetting it's self on loop [13:36] nigelb: so as soon as it's back up, it faults and reboots [13:36] haha [13:36] so I don't have internets right now at the house [13:36] sounds like your modem :P [13:36] for all we know, you rewrote the firmware for it :P [13:36] and T-W wants me to "diagnose my net connection with my mac or pc computer connected to the router on cat5" [13:36] grr - time to get ready for work..bbiab :-) [13:36] akgraner: cheerio! [13:36] You know, they need an ISP for people who can prove they are technical [13:37] and just put in support tickets [13:37] Hey folks, can I get RT on this please https://twitter.com/#!/ak_kim0/status/57421765927895040 .. Thanks :) [13:37] paultag: I hate having to "troubleshoot" with the cable company [13:37] I don't want to spend 2 hours debugging an issue I already damn well understand [13:37] mhall119: it sucks [13:37] paultag: I usually lie [13:37] mhall119: "Can you do $foo" "Yes, still doesn't work" [13:37] kim0: done [13:38] woohoo thanks [13:38] mhall119: it sucks so much [13:38] I don't know why I have to do the "dance" to get a new bit of hardware [13:38] kim0: np :) [13:38] nigelb: more like they tell me to do something in windows, I do the Linux equiv, and tell them the answer [13:38] mhall119: Ahhh. Nice. [13:38] mhall119: There are those of us that don't know it. [13:38] mhall119: We should document it! [13:39] nigelb: probably [13:39] mhall119: it's not always obvious to know the linux equivalent of course [13:39] like there is that thing to set it in TCP/IP settings [13:39] I sometimes just ask them to skip to step where they ask for the information [13:39] paultag: I once spent 45 minutes with TW doing that dance. Just for them to agree with me on the issue. And I'm not even that geek! [13:39] Pendulum: so frustrating! [13:39] My modem is from 2006 [13:39] I don't need 10 steps to tell me how to find my IP address, I know my damned IP address, just ask me for it [13:39] there's a really good chance it's broken by now [13:40] mhall119: +100000 [13:40] that alone should get me a new modem [13:40] and then I think it took them most of a week to come fix it [13:40] (this was a less than 6month old modem at the time) [13:40] Pendulum: T-W is really not very friendly to the users [13:40] paultag: open it up, short circuit stuff until you seem smoke, then call them back and say it's not turning on anymore [13:40] mhall119: ... [13:40] mhall119: that's actually brilliant [13:40] http://imagebin.org/147603 [13:41] paultag: I have yet to find a cable (or really any ISP) that is [13:41] mhall119: um those little blinky things are not doing anything [13:41] Pendulum: it's so lame. [13:41] doctormo: ah ha hah ha [13:41] doctormo: hahah, good one [13:42] hahahah doctormo [13:42] Gawd he's fast :) [13:42] when I was in NYC it was TW or DSL and the DSL people couldn't get their acts together to actually show up to install so I gave up [13:42] What's TW? [13:43] well or Verizon (non-fios), but we had so many Verizon issues at work that I wasn't going near them [13:43] nigelb: Time Warner. A big cable company in the US [13:43] there are some smaller ISPs that are okay, but they are often business ISPs and a lot more expensive than a consumer ISP... [13:43] Ahh, that TW [13:43] Verizon always sends a CD of software you need to install to "Activate" your connection, but I swear it's just a Java program that sends Windows to use DHCP, then installs 200MB of crap [13:43] OK, got to run to class! :) [13:43] much love, ya'll [13:43] nigelb: I have to slow down to teach inkscape ;-) I get complaints about the speed. [13:44] The first 6 months I was working in NYC, our net went down at least once a month [13:44] (at work) [13:44] Verizon was useless [13:44] so I vowed to stay the hell away [13:44] yeah, we tried FiOS for a few months, nothing but trouble [13:45] My ISP hates doctormo :( [13:45] we used to measure how bad customer service things were based on whether the bookeeper would rather call them or Verizon [13:45] nigelb: Or your entire country, and it's not me, they hate Verizon's home ip-address block. [13:45] mhall119: that activation tool probably also resets the internet settings on every boot, causing all sorts of problems when people change ISP ? :p [13:46] JanC: I don't recall it doing that [13:46] 621\\\\\/5 [13:46] ugh [13:46] I do recall it requiring some ancient version of MS Java though [13:46] mhall119: well, that's one thing they did better than 1 IPS did over here... :P [13:46] wouldn't run on Sun's JVM [13:46] ISP [13:46] JanC: yeah, that doesn't sound quite legal [13:46] speaking of Verizon fuck-ups. In an e-mail from my uncle (he's a Windows Server engineer) about a job he did on Friday: The T1 internet connection wouldn't connect, (Verizon had disconnected the Smart Jack when they went in to install the phones); [13:47] we had rumors of Verizon cutting the phone lines when they installed FiOS around here, so you couldn't go back [13:47] I'm not sure if that actually happened though [13:48] mhall119: Might be a shadow cultural queue [13:48] Not actuall policy, just hinted at the right thing to do(tm) [13:48] part of the problem with DSL in NYC was all the lines were owned by Verizon [13:49] so no matter your provider, you were going to have to deal with Verizon somewhere down the line [13:49] TW at least installed quickly and actually other than the one night of frustration, treated me fairly well [13:50] mhall119: the "feature" was added because some people messed around with Windows settings and broke their setup that way, so this would fix it with a simpel reboot--of course they never thought about long-term consequences, or the fact that most consumers wouldn't think to uninstall it before switching ISPs... [13:50] they even came and installed on a Saturday (which I've never gotten any other ISP to do) [13:50] Pendulum: Actually network infrastructure monopoly is an interesting subject on socialist governmental policy debate. [13:50] ISPs do installs themselves? [13:50] installs are all done by subcontractors here... [13:51] and the cheaper the subcontractor the better [13:51] The theory goes that the actual wires should be chartered non-profit organisation in charge of running the network. Then any service company can run a service on top of that infrastructure. [13:52] Same thing for fiber as it is for cell-phone towers, municipal wifi, water pipes, power lines, you name it. [13:52] JanC: if they're subcontractors, they're wearing uniforms from the ISP [13:52] service companies obviously pay the network org the at costs for running the thing. [13:52] at least that's been my experience with ISPs in CT and NY [13:53] Pendulum: well, they did in the past, but nowadays they only have a cap or a t-shirt sometimes, and a small sticker on their van--all to make them cheaper I guess ;) [13:53] Political economic theory: even less popular IRC topics have been known, but not in the wild. [13:54] JanC: TW I think it was just a shirt (usually a polo shirt) and regulated colour for the trousers, but Cox (which is what my parents have) I think has a full uniform [13:54] doctormo: I could see how that would benefit customers in some ways, but not in others [13:54] I would be interested to see how it effects cost to the consumer [13:54] All you need is a fluorescent vest, tool box, fake id and cast iron balls and most people will trust you enough to mess about with their building's wires. [13:55] doctormo: I would love to see a truly independent network operator [13:56] Pendulum, JanC: British powerlines are an interesting case study, since they operate a high demand, critical system. While maintaining constant supply and a market trading floor for for-profit power generators and electricity service providers who buy the power and resell it to customers. [13:57] The LLU roll-out has been very successful in the UK too, at least as far as decoupling British Telecom (BT) from owning both the ADSL infrastructure and operating the reseller service market. [13:58] To be honest, BT should have never have been allowed to operate both service and infrastructure. It was a bad mistake, as bad as how Bell was broken up in the USA. [14:00] in Belgium it's still 1 company owning the telephony network and being the largest ISP on it :-( [14:01] and because the government owns about 50% of it, it's sort of a cash cow that many politicians don't want to slaughter... :-( [14:12] JanC: Ah yes, governments using infrastructure as money boxes, they tried that rubbish with the Royal Mail too. [14:12] Hence why Terry Pratchett's "Going Postal" is so critical of the practice. [14:17] * dpm steps out for a while [14:18] hm, I think the postal service here has only been making losses most of the time, so not much of a cash cow... :P [14:20] JanC: If your government service isn't loosing money, it's either not serving enough, or charging too much :-D [14:20] ☺ === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [15:11] brb === jono_ is now known as jono [15:54] nigelb: you've got mail :) [15:54] nigelb: it's a bit long, but totally worth it :) [15:55] paultag: awesome, thanks [15:56] nigelb: thank *you* :) [15:58] paultag: a rought drawing of your dream layout would be nice :D [16:00] nigelb: I'll do that now :) [16:00] kim0, all set? [16:00] jono: um I'm on a call for the book thing .. can we push it 10 mins [16:01] kim0, no worries [16:01] cool [16:01] kim0, book thing? [16:01] kim0, oh I know [16:01] nevermind [16:11] nigelb: this is the best I can do on my uni computers -- http://i.imgur.com/Jjo6c.png [16:11] nigelb: that sorta thing is what I'm going for [16:12] paultag: WHAT UP. [16:12] heyya jcastro [16:12] jcastro: nada jabroni, what's new over in that "state" of michigan? [16:13] paultag: that works great for me! thanks :) [16:13] nigelb: rock on! [16:13] paultag: not much, gettin' ready for the Red Wings playoff run [16:13] the town is alive! [16:14] jcastro: hahaha [16:15] jcastro: I'm trying to get nigelb to write me an app. I'm calling it codename "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot" [16:19] is it a tiling window manager? [16:19] vish: did your house icon change in today's update? [16:20] * czajkowski hugs jcastro no more crashing askubuntu app [16:20] nice! [16:20] mine doesn't load right now though [16:20] my lens is blank [16:20] jcastro: nah. I dig on tiling window managers, but narp. I'm trying to get an email-inbox'ey feel to incoming patches against software I help with. It'll be nice to run on my vertical secondary screen [16:21] jcastro: I'm a GSoC mentor for fluxbox, so I'll be having a bunch of patches coming in [16:21] I'd due an update but internet in house is rather flakely atm [16:21] paultag: via email? [16:22] jcastro: well, I'm abstracting it. I'm going to write an email that scrapes a mailing list for [PATCH] mails, as well as forked branches or something. WTF won't deal with that, so much, methinks. [16:22] jcastro: but yeah, email. For the most part. [16:22] email scraper * [16:22] paultag: have you seen "notmuch"? [16:23] http://notmuchmail.org/ [16:23] build it on top of that ^ [16:23] right up your alley [16:23] jcastro: hummmmm, that's pretty rad [16:24] jcastro: eventually, I'll have it do some cool stuff, like register the instances on a server, share patch states and allow other instances to kick off builds on the local machine (to check other arches) [16:24] jcastro: but for now, a normal sane review GUI is something I need :) [16:28] OK, I need to head home. Not sure when I'll get 'net back again [16:28] On elove [16:28] one love* [16:33] made two Unity convert this weekend [16:34] all it took was beer and moving the buttons:) [16:34] jcastro: it Ubuntu monospace font going to be in 11.04? [16:35] I assume if it was it'd be in there by now [16:35] Technoviking: sladen is the person to ask, he's the fontmeister [16:35] think I like the house better than folder with the house [16:42] dholbach: you're intro-ing? [16:43] nigelb, yep [16:43] let me add you as helper [16:43] gracias [16:43] I'll also mention it in a bunch of other IRC channels [16:43] done [16:43] thanks [16:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [16:59] dholbach: go go go :) [16:59] nigelb, yep :) [17:00] jcastro: seems it has been uploaded [17:00] yup, released [17:01] oops, wrong channel :) [17:05] <--- lunch [17:30] jono, 1m? [17:30] nigelb: ah, you know I said I would do a lightning talk [17:30] nigelb: unfortunately at 21:00 UTC on Friday I will be rather drunk [17:30] and more importantly, not online [17:31] AlanBell: you mean if you were drunk and online you'd do it? [17:31] sure! [17:31] haha [17:31] AlanBell: sure, np :) [17:32] dholbach, wrapping a mail [17:36] jono: Very nice blog post today. [17:38] http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5610287328/ [17:38] anyone jealous of pleia2 yet? ;) [17:38] thanks doctormo [17:38] dholbach, all set? [17:38] jono, yes [17:58] alright my friends - I'm calling it a day [17:58] see you tomorrow [17:58] HUGS [18:24] nigelb: where did she go? [18:25] Technoviking: puerto rico :) === daker is now known as daker_ [18:28] nigelb: nice [18:30] Daviey: ping === dpm_ is now known as dpm [18:42] jcastro: o/ [18:42] wanna talk Etherpad in like an hour or so? [18:44] jcastro: on the road at the moment, but perhaps in about 3 hours ? [18:44] sure [18:44] whenever [18:44] so like, dustin packaged the thing [18:44] we just need to figure out what to do next [18:45] unless it's really urgent, you could call me on my mobile :) [18:45] jcastro: did you not see replies from James Page? [18:45] jcastro: that packaging is not the issue [18:45]