[00:09] cjwatson, will that partman-auto fix automatically make its way into ubiquity, or does more work need done? ( or did you already do it? ) [00:14] * stgraber really hates race condition ... it's been 10 boot that pub doesn't get any event [00:31] cjwatson: updated bug 752393 with some more examples and thoughts. I'll change the package from lsb to plymouth as it seems to be a plymouth issue. [00:32] Launchpad bug 752393 in lsb (Ubuntu) "lsb init scripts show line buffering problems on bootup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752393 [00:32] ok [00:32] I'm going to bed shortly, will look tomorrow === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === asac_ is now known as asac [02:34] The archive mirrors aren't updating right now. IS are aware === cjwatson changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Mirror updates stopped (hw problems) | Archive: Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [07:18] Good morning [07:22] Good morning pitti [07:22] pitti: How was your weekend? [07:26] hey cdbs; was nice, thanks! how are you? [07:27] pitti: Completely fine :) [07:35] pitti: good morning. What do you think about the screenshot problem in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/357847 [07:35] Ubuntu bug 357847 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug wish: allow to just point at the window of a buggy application" [Wishlist,Fix released] [07:36] pitti: good morning, I'm finishing up a pidgin merge, would you be able to sponsor before the freeze [07:37] abhinav-: sorry, what's the problem? [07:37] micahg_: yes, no problem [07:37] abhinav-: what does this have to do with screenshots? the main task there is to find out the process ID of the faulty app through the window ID? [07:38] pitti: yes, but in the comments, there was a suggestion to take screenshot as well of the window having problem [07:39] abhinav-: ah, so that's something different then [07:39] abhinav-: well, both GNOME (gnome-screenshot) and KDE have builtin screenshot capabilities [07:39] pitti: gnome-screenshot doesnt let take screenshot by pointing at a window ? [07:41] abhinav-: apparently not via CLI [07:43] pitti: but I suppose the solution has to be generic enough, so that it works on both KDE and GNOME ? [07:44] abhinav-: not necessarily; there can be a method in AbstractUI, and the Gtk/KDE/CLI implementations can then differ [07:48] pitti: right. I will look more into gnome-screenshot then. Although there is another screenshot application shutter, which provides the feature to point at a window and take screenshot. But it uses0 libgnome2-wnck-perl [07:50] Before I start trying to argue with people on the internet, does anybody else want to look at http://lifehacker.com/#!5790311 and confirm that e4rat shouldn't make more than a ~100ms max difference over a correctly functioning ureadahead? [07:52] Ok this is weird, for some reason dput is erroring out for me saying that my public key isn't valid... but its the same key I've been using to upload packages for ages, and I've changed nothing locally or in lp. [07:52] Can anybody else confirm? [07:52] TheMuso: Yes, ScottK mentioned it in #launchpad. [07:53] ah ok [07:53] I'm not sure what is going on yet. [07:53] np I'll jump over there to follow. [07:54] thanks [07:54] abhinav-: shutter and its dependencies are an additional 19 MB compressed packages, which is prohibitively expensive [07:55] TheMuso: confrimed [07:55] TheMuso: it still uploads, though [07:55] pitti: oh does it? [07:55] I pulled my hair out on that one for an hour yesterday when uploading langpacks [07:55] until I noticed that they actually work [07:55] TheMuso: well, it did for me. YMMV [07:55] Right, we'll see what happens. [07:56] I uploaded twice thinking something was transient. :) [07:56] * TheMuso checks natty-changes. [07:56] abhinav-: You can get a one-window screenshot out of gnome-screenshot, too, I'm sure. GNOME Do appears to, at least :) [07:56] RAOF: you can, but it takes the currently focused window, there's no picker [07:57] Eh. That's a SMOP. [07:57] pitti: the author of shutter gave me a perl script (~100 lines) which does this, but it requires libgnome2-wnck-perl :) [07:58] abhinav-: then you can probably do the equivalent in python with gir1.2-wnck-1.0 [08:02] pitti: yes, perhaps. I can try. thanks. :) [08:02] abhinav-: great; good luck! [08:03] pitti: yeah my upload went through too. [08:04] good morning [08:11] if I have a PKG_CHECK_MODULES check in configure, should the Cflags automatically get added or do I need to do something else? [08:12] PKG_CHECK_MODULES() will automatically add cflags to a variable for you [08:12] as long as that variable is then referenced in Makefile.in, you should be good [08:12] ah, that's what I need to do, thanks :) [08:12] micahg_: no, they won't; you have to do something like myprogram_CFLAGS = $(MYLIB_CFLAGS) [08:12] micahg_: you give it a name (e.g. PKG_CHECK_MODULES([GLIB], [glib-2.0]) ) and then it defines, e.g., GLIB_CFLAGS and GLIB_LDFLAGS (or is it GLIB_LIBS? i don't remember) [08:13] _LIBS iirc [08:13] _LIBS, yes [08:13] and confusingly myprogram_LDADD = $(MYLIB_LIBS) [08:13] I was trying to add a proper check for launchpad integration for pidgin since the check it was under before was dropped [08:16] hello [08:16] I need a bit of help [08:16] anyone here? [08:16] !ask | damno [08:16] damno: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [08:17] i just compiled abiword [08:17] successfully [08:17] but coolab isnt orking [08:17] sorry, collab [08:17] pitti: I've uploaded KDE 4.5.5 for Maverick and filed Bug #757065 to track it. I was hoping we could use the free buildd time once the Beta 2 freeze solidifies a bit to get it out the door. [08:18] Launchpad bug 757065 in oxygen-icons (Ubuntu) "Tracking bug for SRU update of KDE to 4.5.5 in Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757065 [08:18] ScottK: that sounds like a good opportunity indeed; I would like to wait a bit still, as the buildds are still quite busy, and I expect some more last-minute uploads [08:18] pitti: Certainly. I was guessing likely tomorrow. [08:19] the install process created a archive named 'backup-041120111230-pre-abiword.tgz'. is it essencial to keep it? [08:19] The core packages are all there. I don't have the translation updates yet. [08:19] No need to particularly wait on those though. [08:20] meh, Launchpad's "I hate your key" messages are really confusing [08:20] pitti: Currently being investigated. [08:21] But yes, it's exposing internals in an ugly way. [08:21] Yes, and prevents dput uploading multiple packages simultaneously. [08:21] Since an error is being thrown. [08:21] Yes. Yes it does. [08:22] ScottK: Oh yeah, that would have been painful. [08:22] ScottK: ok if I upload a new kubuntu-restricted-addons to drop the NBS kopete-gcall? [08:22] you guys are too busy to help a new guy , I think [08:22] buy [08:22] pitti: Certainly. === smb` is now known as smb [08:41] pitti: in the interest of getting this done, would it be ok to attach the launchpad integration check onto something else (like glib), I can't seem to get this to work [08:41] it was previously attached to startup notification [08:41] micahg_: so perhaps just leave it where it was before, on startup-notification? [08:42] pitti: would have loved to do that, but that check was removed in 2.7.11 :) [08:48] hi seb128, since you've done most of the pidgin merges, do you have an opinion about the above? (4 lines) === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:49] just put it on whatever is used to build that part of the code [08:49] ok [08:53] <\sh> hmm...did anyone see this error lately on natty while uploading? http://paste.ubuntu.com/592510/ [08:54] yes [08:54] its being fixed [08:54] gpg.conf file got reaped by tmpreaper [08:54] <\sh> lifeless: means? [08:55] <\sh> lifeless: error on user side or on server side? [08:55] server side [08:55] workaround is in place if you want to try again [08:56] <\sh> lifeless: ok...so I don't care, actually the package was accepted [08:57] hrm, alsa-lib on amd64 failed for some weird reason. I386 built fine. http://paste.ubuntu.com/592512/ [08:57] This is on the buildds. [08:57] TheMuso, yeah, saw that as well. "gcc: not found" seems to be the error [08:58] * micahg_ thinks slangasek was talking about that earlier [08:58] Ok thanks. [09:00] there is an incantation (possibly as tasksel one) including a ^ which says 'install everything i would expect to have installed' [09:00] can anyone remind me what it is? [09:00] apw: that's called installing a task [09:00] apw: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ should do that [09:01] pitti, ahh that looks like it ... thanks :) [09:01] hey apw [09:01] pitti, hiya [09:04] seb128: for the new symbols, do you just copy them from Debian and add an epoch? [09:07] TheMuso, micahg_: no, I was talking about a change that's in a linux-libc-dev version that isn't published yet [09:07] hrm ok thanks. [09:11] micahg_, yes [09:13] TheMuso, micahg_: oh oops, I read the output wrong - yes, linux-libc-dev is published on amd64, so that explains perfectly the failure [09:15] slangasek: ok thanks. [09:15] seb128: do we care about sort order? [09:15] no [09:15] seb128: thanks [09:29] pitti: bug 757146 if you have time to sponsor [09:29] Launchpad bug 757146 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "Please merge pidgin 2.7.11-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757146 [09:30] TheMuso: verified that gcc-multilib 4:4.5.2-1ubuntu2 will fix this; as soon as that publishes we can retry alsa-lib [09:30] slangasek: Thanks. [09:33] micahg_: on it [09:33] pitti: thanks [09:46] Hi, I'm looking for some help/advice with an error I'm getting when trying to use apt, this is the error - "dpkg: syntax error in file triggers file `/var/lib/dpkg/triggers//File'" I'm on 10.10, it started appearing after trying to update to 11.04 beta via update-manager -d and my system froze partway through. 11 hours later I decded to rebooot my computer, the error has been bugging me since [09:48] JamesMR, try in #ubuntu [09:48] or rather, #ubuntu+1 [09:48] pitti: did you upload pidgin yet? (if not, hold off) [09:48] micahg_: too late [09:49] clint's in a us timezone, right? [09:49] i wanted to push along https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/707075 [09:49] Ubuntu bug 707075 in bzr (Ubuntu Lucid) "[sru] lp-propose fails with a 404 error" [Undecided,New] [09:49] ugh, I built this thing multiple times, and the last time it tells me symbols are missing [09:50] heh [09:56] * micahg_ wonders if -j17 had anything to do with it [10:09] pitti: I think I'll have a fixed pidgin in a few minutes, it seems if a symbol is listed twice it fails now [10:12] * micahg_ is confused, not all the duplicates failed [10:26] ok, so there's something I don't understand, can the same symbol appear multiple times in a file? [10:26] micahg_: the same symbol /name/ can, but only if it has a different symbol version AFAIK [10:28] slangasek: ok, so these are all the same version [10:28] can I safely remove one? [10:29] sorry, maybe I'm confused - are you talking about removing it from a symbols file or from a library? [10:29] symbols file [10:29] ah, I thought you were talking about an object file. Sorry, I'm not sure I know the answer then [10:31] micahg_: Which package? [10:32] soren: pidgin [10:32] I probably don't know the answer, I'm just curious :) [10:33] heh [10:33] I'm rebuilding without the duplicate symbols which I expect to succeed locally, I just would like to know if it's safe for the archive [10:34] "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/pidgin" takes a while... [10:34] soren: try pull-lp-source pidgin :) [10:35] not a bad idea [10:35] libpurple0.symbols? [10:35] soren: yep [10:37] so Debian removed the symbols, I'm just not sure why, it also wasn't noted in their changelog, but they're duplicates, so idk if that means anything was removed or not [10:44] pitti: so, the build succeeded w/out the duplicate symbols, but idk if that's the right thing to do or not [10:44] micahg_: duplicate *.symbol entries don't really make sense, so this sounds like the right solution [10:45] Well, this particular symbols file has information for two separate libraries. [10:45] libpurple.so.0 and libpurple-client.so.0 [10:45] ah [10:45] They could both export the same symbol. [10:45] Whether they actually *do*... I don't know. [10:46] I can imagine situations where it makes sense, but I have no idea if that applies here. === doko_ is now known as doko [10:46] Say, if the same binary package ships two flavours of the same library, both exporting (mostly) the same symbols. [10:47] Now that I've added to the confusion, I'll wander off. Toodles :) [10:48] pitti: so, they're not duplicates, it's as soren suggested, they are gone from libpurple-client and now solely in libpurple [10:49] Without a soname bump? [10:49] *sob* [10:49] Oh, right I wandered off. [10:51] * micahg_ doesn't think the pidgin devs know what the so version is for, it seems to be tied to their dev version instead of soname changes [10:52] or it could just be coincidence [11:03] pitti: so, options are, upload an ubuntu2 that follows what Debian did (remove symbols w/out soname bump) or upload a 2.7.9-2 version and try to get this fixed properly [11:04] micahg_: I think just removing the duplicates from libpurple-client will do [11:04] at most it'll affect library dependency versions, but they should already be alright with the other symbols [11:04] pitti: ok, I'll attach the debdiff [11:07] ...i thought freeze was at 9:00UTC. [11:08] TheMuso: yes, freezing right now; the higher priority for the admins was to get the archive mirrors back working :) === cjwatson changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: [11:08] right [11:08] (mirrors should return shortly) [11:10] pitti: bug 757311, thanks [11:10] Launchpad bug 757311 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "pidgin fails to build due to missing symbols" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757311 [11:11] micahg_: cheers, uploaded [11:12] pitti: thanks, sorry for all the trouble :) [11:12] micahg_: no worries, thanks to you for sorting it out! === pitti changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Beta-2/Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: [11:14] archive now frozen for beta-2 [11:17] * ogra_ curses this insane freeze time [11:17] ? [11:17] we shouldnt do freezes on monday mornings [11:17] that kind of forces people into weekend work [11:18] either have them in the evening or on the friday before [11:18] the main difference is that the release team cross-checks the uploads; little difference for developers [11:18] i know :) [11:18] ogra_: how would a freeze on Friday help in any way? [11:18] well, I sympathise with the weekend work bit, but how would moving it help? if you haven't got the work done yet, you haven't got it done, and moving the freeze would make little difference [11:18] if you don't work on the weekend, fri/mon morning freeze is no different [11:19] if you have work to do that requires less than a day you dont have to work on the weekends to make it into the archive before freeze [11:19] if the freeze is in the evening or afternoon UTC [11:19] moving it later, sure; however that does have other consequences for the release team [11:20] ogra_: you can still do that; freeze -> controlled what's going in, not "doors firmly closed" [11:20] we already have negotiated an exception for unity [11:20] the later it is, the higher the chances of Tuesday's daily builds not being usable and us having to scramble [11:20] but we really need to coordinate uploads, to not collide with image builds, QA smoke testing, etc. [11:20] i know, i also have discussed the possible alsa and pulse changes with kate [11:20] in private or in channel/bug? [11:20] but i still would like to give the community more time before we freeze [11:21] cjwatson, during fridays meeting [11:21] ok [11:36] pitti, is the amd64 retracer possibly down or backlogged? bug 757219 has been pending for 3 hours so far [11:36] Error: Launchpad bug 757219 could not be found [11:36] mdz: it was, but the log was empty; I restarted it for now [11:40] pitti, I've restarted it 2 times already today [11:40] seb128: and it doesn't produce any log? [11:40] it does "consolidating the duplicates" and seem to crash [11:40] ah, log_dupcheck [11:40] or never went over that [11:41] pitti, well there is nothing in the logs, I guess I should try to run it manually [11:45] sladen: your ubuntu-mono upload dropped --with-scour, but doesn't document why? [11:46] pitti: oh bollocks, could swear I did bzr revert debian/rules first [11:46] sladen: want me to reject and you reupload? [11:46] (same version number is fine) [11:46] pitti: yes [11:47] pitti: I just do that to save 20 minutes on the local build time [11:47] quite a large set of new icons as well, I hope they got some testing? [11:48] pitti: urm? Should only be 1. But a lot of symlinks/alternate names [11:48] sladen: ah, then debdiff just got confused :0 [11:49] pitti: it's overriding one icon (and all of its aliases) from Humanity, as Humanity maintainers/upstream don't want the icon that Mark wants, but Humanity upstream (vish) is being kind enough to ensure it correctly goes into ubuntu-mono as a mutal solution :) [11:51] pitti: weird. debian/rules has --with-scour, and bzr status shows nothing [11:51] sladen: maybe you had an older source package around? [11:51] pitti: do you intend to address all the other v4l issues too? [11:52] doko: so far I am aware of gambas (which built locally, but not on the buildds, sorry), and hal, but both are fixed now [11:52] doko: what else? [11:52] I'm mainly fixing NBS right now, but can look into other issues if required [11:56] pitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ftbfs+natty+v4l&field.tags_combinator=ALL === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:57] * pitti sighs on timeout [11:58] doko: if you happen to have the page open, perhaps you can toss me a bug list on IRC? [11:58] tried 5 times now [11:59] pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/592569/ [12:00] nobody noticed any new firefox issues since i turned on -pie in the builds again last night? [12:01] chrisccoulson: hardly, as the mirrors are still not updated :) [12:01] ah [12:01] that's not good ;) [12:01] doko: any priorities there? I can do two or three, but not 25 [12:02] enoclue, I just filed these with the tag, because it's obvious from the build logs [12:07] ScottK: "fond" isn't exactly the word I would use [12:08] doko: I'll grab linphone, vdr, and kino then, they seem to be the most popular [12:08] doko: ah, linphone already fixed [12:09] yeah, sorry, I may have filed issues for superseded versions [12:09] ah, no, LP output is just confusing [12:09] it went to universe, that's why it shows published on Apr 8 [12:09] so yeah, will have a look at these three === yofel_ is now known as yfoel === yfoel is now known as yofel [12:55] what is the procedure for freeze exception uploads? [12:55] I wonder if there is a... [12:55] !ffe [12:55] Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. [12:59] arand, thanks [12:59] janimo, adding features ? === claudinux is now known as Claudinux [13:02] ogra_, nope, hopefully fixing the gconftool crash [13:03] working around actually by building with -O0 :( [13:03] well, just have a bug for it and mention the bug number in the changelog will suffice [13:03] bugfixes that dont add new features dont need an FFE [13:03] just upload and be in #ubuntu-release if the reviewer has questions [13:04] (all uploads get reviewed anyway from now on) [13:04] ogra_, ok, just joined that channel [13:04] makes sense prior to milestones and during freezes [13:09] lamont: Speaking of stuff you're fond of ... What are the chances of fpc on armel bootstrapping this cycle? [13:09] well, I did say I'd see about throwing it against the wall again to see if this time is any different than the last 3 times [13:10] OK. [13:11] of course, if it does bootstrap, it'll just fail to run on most of the buildds, I'm guessing === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === chuck_ is now known as zul === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:04] seb128, any luck with the retracer? [14:04] mdz, the amd64 is running [14:05] seb128, great, I guess it will catch up soon then [14:05] mdz, but there is quite some backlog from the weekend so it might take another hour before getting yours [14:05] ack [14:05] pitti, I disabled the job which consolidates the db for now to get the retracing going btw [14:06] pitti, I will try to restart it manually once we clear the backlog [14:06] seb128: ah, thanks === bregma_ is now known as bregma [14:27] geser: DMB meeting? [14:31] doko: FYI, I uploaded linphone and kino fixes, and will do a vdr sync after the buildd backlog settled down; then these three are fixed === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === diwic is now known as diwic_afk [14:49] doko: Hi Matthias, there is a rumor that you're patch pilot today. ;-) === sconklin-gone is now known as sconklin === kentb_ is now known as kentb_dell === kentb_dell is now known as kentb === kentb is now known as ubuntu-touch === ubuntu-touch is now known as kentb === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [15:17] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Beta-2/Feature/UI freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: kirkland [15:18] GunnarHj: hi, i'm on pilot duty, too, fwiw [15:21] kirkland: Hi Dustin, it's worth a lot. :) [15:21] kirkland: There are two things I'd appreciate your help with. First I'm wondering if it's possible to commit only one of the revisions (322) from https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/profile/+merge/56426, or should I create a separate MP for it? (Rev. 323 is pending furter discussion.) [15:21] GunnarHj: reading ... [15:25] GunnarHj: hmm, I echo seb128's question ... you should easily be able to: . $HOME/.profile || true [15:25] GunnarHj: and . $HOME/.xprofile || true [15:27] cjwatson, about? seeing any reports of loss of graphical boot? my first test box i updated seems to go from purple to black with a cursor ? [15:27] kirkland: Think I have to test it again, to recall why I made another conclusion... [15:27] GunnarHj: so if you just do: [15:28] Guest24406: . $HOME/.profile || true [15:28] GunnarHj: the || true will catch the error that you're testing for with -f (file existence) [15:28] GunnarHj: and it will also catch any syntax errors in the sourcing of that file [15:29] kirkland: Will get back to you about that. [15:30] kirkland: Then there is https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/language-selector/help/+merge/57109. Is a pure docs change affected by BetaFreeze? [15:30] cjwatson, a quick poke seems to imply that linux_gfx_mode is not keep, ie changing the set to keep gets it back [15:31] GunnarHj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationStringFreeze [15:32] apw: first I've heard of it [15:32] cjwatson, i don't see to have a gfxblacklist.cfg [15:32] cjwatson, i don't see to have a gfxblacklist.txt even [15:32] apw: do you have /boot/grub/gfxblacklist.txt? [15:32] kirkland: I know, but that document is not subject to translation yet (won't be until after the Natty release). [15:32] hm, maybe it falls over if that file's missing [15:33] cjwatson, nope no such file [15:33] GunnarHj: ah [15:33] and dpkg can't find one either [15:33] GunnarHj: okay, then i'm willing to sponsor that one, if you open a bug for it [15:33] cjwatson, isn't that file from its own package ? [15:34] cjwatson, this machine just has had an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ run on it too, so its in theory complete [15:34] no, it's from grub-gfxpayload-lists, which I forgot to MIR (doing now) [15:34] but grub should tolerate its absence anyway [15:35] bug me [15:35] cjwatson, welll in theory it might be the right behavour in the absense of the file ... [15:36] I think on balance I'd rather default on [15:37] cjwatson, ok touching that in seems to fix the issue [15:37] cjwatson, i assume you want a bug against grub2 ? [15:37] yes [15:37] cjwatson, also ... i have a feeling that something other than drm is switching off the display, contributing to the length of the 'black with no backlight' phase [15:37] does that ring a bell at all ? [15:38] plymouthd when it starts or something? [15:39] GunnarHj: can you get me a bug number for the language-selector fix? [15:40] apw: no bells ringing there [15:40] kirkland: Sure, just give me two minutes. [15:41] cjwatson, bug #757603, want it assigned ? [15:41] Launchpad bug 757603 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "graphical boot is disabled when the gfxblacklist.txt is missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757603 [15:41] I'll grab it [15:42] ack [15:43] kirkland: Done. Used an ongoing bug on i18n documentation. === jono_ is now known as jono [15:52] doko, mterry, didrocks: we have two urgent MIRs for beta-2, bug 754661 and bug 757600; does any of you have some time to review them? [15:52] Launchpad bug 754661 in python-psutil (Ubuntu Natty) "[FFe] [MIR] python-psutil" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754661 [15:52] Launchpad bug 757600 in grub-gfxpayload-lists (Ubuntu) "[MIR] grub-gfxpayload-lists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757600 [15:52] pitti, sure [15:52] * mterry takes first, will take second if no one else does [15:52] mterry: cheers [15:58] * didrocks still triages unitish things [15:59] kees: answered on bug #755146, can you please have a look once you have time for it? [15:59] Launchpad bug 755146 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_source_unref() (dup-of: 740897)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755146 [15:59] Launchpad bug 740897 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_source_unref()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740897 [16:01] didrocks, njpatel suggested that's a duplicate of the ccsm crash earlier [16:03] seb128: ok, let's hope so :) weird that we still have a missing unref in sources, I checked everything apart from the dash, will have another look [16:03] kees, did you get your compiz crashes when using ccsm? [16:04] GunnarHj: #? [16:05] SpamapS: ping [16:05] kirkland: Sorry, bug 742857 [16:05] Launchpad bug 742857 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "i18n matters ought to be properly documented" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742857 [16:07] seb128: from the ubuntu-devel mailing list: " crashed when clicking launcher for Terminator while Terminators were running" [16:08] GunnarHj: cool, pushed, uploaded [16:08] GunnarHj: let me know about the gdm one [16:09] didrocks, ok so maybe njpatel was wrong ;-) [16:09] seb128: that's why I'm pinging kees :-) [16:09] seb128: well, the issue will also result in ccsm being uncheck [16:10] kirkland: Thanks. I will (in a few minutes). [16:25] kirkland: Please see my latest comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/profile/+merge/56426 [16:31] cjwatson, about grub-gfxpayload-lists, I don't see any existing blacklisted IDs and it doesn't seem to install a dpkg trigger, so is this package currently a no-op? [16:33] mterry: tseliot was thinking of adding entries to fglrx/nvidia packages, although I'm not sure whether he actually has yet [16:33] mterry: rightly or wrongly (perhaps wrongly) the current design is that packages that install blacklist files should call update-grub-gfxpayload [16:34] (I wouldn't mind a bug to triggerise that, although I don't think it's necessary for natty) [16:34] cjwatson, sure, OK. [16:34] cjwatson, mterry: both fglrx and nvidia-current install such blacklist file (currently empty though) [16:34] right - I want to have the facility in place though [16:40] pitti, both approved [16:41] mterry: thanks [16:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [16:49] dholbach: will the IRC logs be available ? [16:49] abhinav-: irclogs.ubuntu.com [16:50] cjwatson, Can't exec "unxz": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/IPC.pm line 261. <- That's from the xz work I assume? It implies that the updated dpkg is installed, but an xz package is missing? [16:50] abhinav-, yes, they'll be also put on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek afterwards [16:50] dholbach: cool. Thanks :) [16:53] mdz, your bug got retracers, it's an overlay scrollbar issue [16:54] seb128, thanks. when apport filed it, it was tagged ayatana-scrollbar (before even being retraced), but was still filed on rhythmbox for some reason [16:54] is that how it's supposed to work? [16:54] mdz, the tag just means that the scrollbar binary is installed [16:54] oh [16:54] it doesn't mean the bug is due to those [16:55] james_w: is that on a DC machine? [16:55] I thought it might have been because of ?? () from /usr/lib/liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1.so.0 [16:55] cjwatson, yeah, jubany [16:55] but that makes more sense [16:55] james_w: current versions of dpkg pre-depend on xz-utils [16:55] seb128, isn't the scrollbar binary package installed by default though? [16:55] mdz, right, I need to talk to ken about that [16:55] james_w: one of the versions floating around the -cat archives might be suitable for jubany; I'd suggest asking IS [16:56] mdz, we should add something to reassign to overlay-scrollbar if liboverlay-scrollbar is in the stacktrace [16:56] cjwatson, ok, thanks [16:56] seb128, yeah, similar to the nautilus->ubuntuone rule [16:57] mdz, well in fact I just checked I was wrong, it does add the tag if the scrollbars are in the ProcMaps, but it just tell you that the application which crashed had those loaded [16:57] not that it crashed in there [16:57] ah === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [17:11] didrocks, seb128: I have no idea where the 755146 crash came from, honestly. the other one (755167) was totally a crash while in ccsm. [17:11] kees: ok, so "known and prioritized issue" [17:12] didrocks: cool, thanks! [17:12] didrocks: after turning off focus-follows-mouse, I have had 0 more problems. === herton is now known as herton_lunch [17:12] I don't like not using FFM, but it does keep me from having unity crash :) [17:12] kees: yeah, ffm is not supported from the start :/ [17:13] didrocks: if that's the case, unity should refuse to run if FFM is on. ;) [17:13] kees: there were a discussion about this 2 monthes ago, but some people argued it was working, so we didn't touch it [17:15] didrocks: does the unity (or compiz) apport hook report the state of FFM? [17:18] kees: no, and yes, nice suggestion :) [17:18] kees: I'll add that [17:19] thanks :) [17:19] didrocks: cool; that should really help weed out stuff [17:20] right === JasonO_ is now known as JasonO [17:22] GunnarHj: okay, another message, back at you ;-) [17:28] stgraber: pong, I read your analysis of the console issue. Makes sense to me. [17:35] SpamapS: can you post the boot.log file after you switch to that lsb-base-logging.sh ? assuming you still have the VM around [17:37] stgraber: I do (I have 2 like it actually). Booting them now. :) [17:38]