/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/11/#ubuntu-ops.txt

ubottuPante59 called the ops in #kubuntu ()00:29
LjL#kubuntu still exists? *blinks*00:29
apacheloggerLjL: only so that I can ban people every now and then :P00:57
ubottushcherbak called the ops in #ubuntu (Please, whats silly.)01:34
LjLhacker_01:35
rwwheh, I guess I didn't do Floodbot cleanup in a while. 7 bans and 12 exempts removed.02:14
Flannelrww: It grew unchecked during the epoch of your k-train.02:24
Seven_Six_Twois ZykoticK9 an op?08:06
rwwSeven_Six_Two: which channel?08:07
Seven_Six_Two#ubuntu08:07
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: as far as I can tell no, why asking?08:08
rwwSeven_Six_Two: no, see /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list . I haven't looked at the scrollback in there, but given the most common reasons for asking that question, I feel it's best to point out that #ubuntu has a norm that you don't need to be an op to give good advice about behavior.08:08
rwwah, the gksudo/sudo thing.08:09
rwwUse gksudo for graphical apps, even if you don't see the point. You really don't want to bother having that argument.08:09
Seven_Six_Tworww, thanks. I've tried to call someone on bad advice in the apache channel before, and had a guy threaten to "moderate" me for it...08:09
rwwSeven_Six_Two: there's another #ubuntu norm that waving op status around as a bludgeon is very bad taste (:08:10
Seven_Six_Tworww, oh I don't see a difference either way, but I don't want to make enemies08:10
rww(brb, restarting my local computer)08:11
Seven_Six_Tworww, and he sent this link:  http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo    from ubottu, that is external, and very outdated. and not at all applicable, from what I saw and read08:11
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: to make it short and clear: we dot not like having any kind of argumentation sudo vs gksudo in our support channels; gksudo (or kdesudo) is the supported method.08:12
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, fair enough! Thanks.08:12
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: I see regularly messed up systems due to the sudo usage, so it still applies (:08:13
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, I guess if you have to pick one or the other for clarity and all that fun stuff08:13
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, not clarity. Unity. pun intended. Bye for now08:14
Tm_Tbye and thanks08:14
Tm_Tthere's no luxury of choice really but meh...08:14
ubottuRiddell called the ops in #ubuntu ()11:42
ikoniaI see it11:51
Tm_T?11:51
ikoniathe language11:51
ubottuIn ubottu, arand said: !gnome3 is <reply> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu, a PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 However these packages are _unstable_ and may break your system.15:17
Pici!gnome315:17
PiciIs there a reason why we don't have a gnome3 factoid yet? I've seen a few submissions so far.15:18
LjLbecause hardly anybody here ever considers submissions15:18
LjL(i guess)15:18
PiciI'm not sure I like suggesting to people to install something that has this warning: "This PPA is EXPERIMENTAL and MAY BREAK YOUR SYSTEM. There is no downgrade process."15:21
LjLi have no idea whether that's just a token disclaimer or what, there being no downgrade process isn't surprising15:23
PiciIt is a bit scary.15:23
LjLi think the question is, is it better than people going on to compile it or install it from some other source if some exists?15:24
PiciThat PPA is for Natty only :/15:28
LjLmight want to add it for #ubuntu+1 then, after all the people in there are already using something that they ought to know may cause nasal demons15:29
Pici!gnome3-#ubuntu+1 is <reply> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu, a PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 However these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system.15:33
ubottuI'll remember that, Pici15:33
Pici!gnome3-#ubuntu+115:33
ubottuGnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu, a PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 However these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system.15:33
IdleOneGood morning15:34
PiciHowdy15:34
ikoniawhat's the gnome 3 stuff for 10.10 ?16:16
PiciNo, natty only.16:16
ikoniathere was a package the other day called gnome-3 that I was confused about16:17
Piciikonia: !msgthebot16:17
ikoniamaybe I was wrong,16:18
ikoniaahh that was it, gnome-shell is there16:18
ikoniastill the 2 version though16:18
ikonia@mark #ubuntu x_ bad part message16:49
ubottuThe operation succeeded.16:49
PiciLjL: Any news about releasing floodbot's source?20:24
LjLi'm still not even really sure it's a good idea, i've been advised both ways20:30
Pici!hardy20:36
ubottuUbuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Desktop support will end on May 12 2011. See !upgrade, !lts and !eol for more details.20:36
rwwFor what it's worth, that Gnome3 PPA has actually broken several peoples' natty installs that I've seen, as opposed to the general "PPAs might eat your cat!" sentiment.20:50
LjLah20:50
ikonianot impressed with the non-support of gnome320:51
rwwYes, I have rather strong and predictable opinions about how things are turning out :)20:51
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !glx-dock is a Mac OS X-like dock for the GNOME desktop; see http://glx-dock.org/20:55
rww!info glx-dock20:55
ubottuPackage glx-dock does not exist in maverick20:55
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: no, !cairo-dock is <alias> glx-dock20:55
rww!info glx-dock natty20:55
ubottuPackage glx-dock does not exist in natty20:55
Logan_rww: hmm...20:56
Logan_maybe !cairo-dock should just be deleted, in that case20:56
rwwLogan_: cairo-dock was renamed to glx-dock, I take it?20:56
Logan_yes20:56
rww!cairo-dock20:56
ubottucairo-dock is a MacOS X -like dock for the gnome desktop, see www.cairo-dock.org20:56
rwwI don't think we really need a factoid about it at all, tbh.20:56
Logan_hmmk20:57
Logan_just trying to update it :P20:57
rww!-cairo-dock20:57
ubottucairo-dock has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-08-09 12:28:37 - last edited by Seveas on 2008-01-29 22:58:2420:57
Logan_but if it's not even in the repo, then I guess we should delete it20:57
rww!forget cairo-dock20:57
ubottuI'll forget that, rww20:57
Logan_cool20:57
Logan_thanks rww20:57
rwwno problem, thanks for bringing it up :)20:57
Logan_:) always trying to clean out the factoid db20:58
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !dock is <alias> awn20:58
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !docks is <alias> awn20:58
rwwtrying to get me to delete awn, too :3?20:59
Logan_lol20:59
Logan_is that not in the repo either?20:59
Logan_!info awn20:59
LjL[21:59:25] <BestBot> LjL, avant-window-navigator, cairo-dock, gnome-do, stalonetray  —  GNOME: simdock  —  KDE: kdocker, kooldock20:59
ubottuPackage awn does not exist in maverick20:59
rwwmight be best to forget the specific ones and make !dock is <reply> Ubuntu's repositories have several dock-like programs, try...20:59
Logan_rww: agreed21:00
Logan_that's the only specific dock left21:00
* LjL should still integrate BestBot with ubottu21:00
Logan_LjL: mmhmm21:00
Logan_that would be cool21:00
rwwLjL: gnome-do => docky now, btw21:00
rww!awn21:00
ubottuAvant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for  the Linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/ - Awn-Manager can be found in Universe from Hardy (8.04) onwards.21:00
rww!-awn21:00
ubottuawn aliases: avant - added by Hobbsee on 2008-04-09 14:41:16 - last edited by elky on 2009-09-19 16:55:3021:00
rww!forget avant21:00
ubottuI'll forget that, rww21:00
rww!forget awn21:00
Logan_lag?21:01
LjLrww: are they quite the same though, or was it a rewrite? if the latter, i'd rather keep both for users of older versions21:01
Logan_what's with ubottu? :P21:01
LjLit probably just didn't want to repeat the same thing twice21:02
IdleOne!awn21:02
rww!dock is <reply> Ubuntu includes several dock-like navigation bars. Some options are: avant-window-navigator, cairo-dock, docky (formerly part of gnome-do), stalonetray, simdock, kdocker, kooldock.21:02
ubottuI'll remember that, rww21:02
rwwLjL: indeed.21:02
Logan_oh, ok21:02
Logan_rww: cool21:02
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !docks is <alias> dock21:03
rwwLjL: docky got extracted out from gnome-do and spun off into a separate project, afaik21:03
rww!docks is <alias> dock21:03
ubottuI'll remember that, rww21:03
Logan_:)21:03
Logan_let's see what else I can wreak havoc on in the factoids db :P21:04
rwwcareful, you'll turn into me ;P21:04
Logan_lol21:04
* rww got bored and corrected the capitalization of "freenode" in all the database once21:04
* LjL turned all the "" into «», all the | into - and more :P21:06
Logan_haha21:06
rwwsubsequently, other ops started a | incursion21:06
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget oglf21:06
LjL;(21:06
rww!oglf21:06
ubottuOntario GNU/Linux Fest. October 23, 2010 in Toronto. http://oglf.ca/21:06
Logan_it's an event that never occurred :P21:06
rww!-oglf21:06
ubottuoglf has no aliases - added by nhandler on 2010-08-17 15:57:1821:06
rww!scope > nhandler21:07
ubottunhandler, please see my private message21:07
rww!forget oglf21:07
ubottuI'll forget that, rww21:07
LjLharsh21:07
rww;P21:07
Logan_lol21:07
macoit was cancelled21:07
maco!olf21:07
macoaww21:07
rwwLjL: I prefer the term "hilarious"21:07
LjLrww by the way honest question, did you not get my pm because you were away or decided not to answer it? =)21:07
Logan_lmao21:07
maco!olf is <reply> Ohio LinuxFest is September 9-11, 2011 in Columbus Ohio. http://ohiolinux.org21:08
ubottuI'll remember that, maco21:08
rwwI don't think we need a factoid for Linux conventions.21:08
rwwLjL: now isn't a good time, given my current annoyedness level :|21:08
LjLmaybe it's for some specific channel, i'm not sure it can hurt much anyway...21:08
LjLrww: ok21:08
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget raptors21:09
IdleOne!raptors21:09
ubottuNot as big as you thought they were. But just as dangerous. "... clever girl..."21:09
Logan_:D21:09
IdleOne!forget raptors21:09
ubottuI'll forget that, IdleOne21:09
rwwotoh i think a factoid about raptors is essential.21:09
Logan_Madpilot...21:09
* LjL votes keep21:09
IdleOne!unforget raptors21:09
ubottuI suddenly remember raptors again, IdleOne21:09
rwwI am disappointed that it does not include an xkcd link or three.21:10
IdleOne2 to 1 the 2's win21:10
Logan_IdleOne: at least make it #ubuntu-offtopic :P21:10
rwwLogan_: you're too new to remember the last time raptors attacked #ubuntu ;(21:10
Logan_lol21:10
rwwmany good nicks dropped that day :'(21:10
Logan_!lazy21:11
ubottuBut perhaps operators are lazy, and would rather wait for you to submit a good factoid entry instead...21:11
Logan_what is this I don't even21:11
rwwin before LjL21:11
rww!-lazy21:11
ubottulazy has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-12-28 03:07:0121:11
rwwin after LjL.21:11
LjLi think it's supposed to be an answer to things like "please add factoid about x" :P21:12
LjLnot sure!21:12
rww!forget LjL21:12
ubottuI know nothing about LjL yet, rww21:12
rwwerm21:12
rww!foget lazy21:13
IdleOnefoget!21:13
IdleOnegoget it noa!21:13
Pici!forget how to spell21:13
ubottuI know nothing about how to spell yet, Pici21:13
rwwLjL: see what I mean :(21:13
Logan_foget :P21:13
rww!forget lazy21:13
ubottuI'll forget that, rww21:13
IdleOne!forget raptors21:13
ubottuI'll forget that, IdleOne21:13
Piciraptors?!21:13
LjLraptors!21:13
Pici!uforget raptors21:13
Pici!unforget raptors21:13
ubottuI suddenly remember raptors again, Pici21:13
IdleOneno U21:13
Pici!raptors21:13
ubottuNot as big as you thought they were. But just as dangerous. "... clever girl..."21:13
LjLPici: it doesn't work like umount21:14
Pici:(21:14
Pici!forget raptors21:14
ubottuI'll forget that, Pici21:14
rwwumount is an imperative sentence.21:14
IdleOneall know species of raptors are from Toronto21:14
IdleOneknown*21:14
Piciall know?21:14
rwwtoday is keyboard faiure da21:15
IdleOne^^21:15
LjLrly21:15
Picikeybard21:15
rwwverily, I am a keybard21:15
Logan_lol21:17
Logan_!outyet21:17
ubottuYes.21:17
IdleOnethat is useful21:17
Piciverily;21:17
Logan_IdleOne: especially once Natty comes out :P21:18
rww!outyet is <reply> No! Come back on April 28th!21:18
ubottuBut outyet already means something else!21:18
rww!no, outyet is <reply> No! Come back on April 28th!21:18
ubottuI'll remember that rww21:18
Pici!no outyet is <alias> isitout21:18
ubottuI'll remember that Pici21:18
rwwoops21:18
Pici!outyet21:18
ubottuIts way too early for it to be out, check back on the 28th.21:18
rwwAPOSTROPHE21:19
rwwalso comma splice21:19
Picirww: do the honors of fixing it then21:19
rww!-outyet21:19
ubottuoutyet is <alias> isitout - added by Pici on 2009-04-22 17:21:04 - last edited by Pici on 2011-04-11 20:18:3421:19
rww!-isitout21:19
ubottuisitout aliases: outyet, isoutouyet, is it out yet, releasetime, isitoutyet - added by LjL on 2008-10-30 01:48:02 - last edited by Pici on 2011-04-04 13:48:0721:19
Piciwut? I don't remember editing that.21:19
Logan_rww: question21:19
rww!isitout =~ s/Its way too early for it to be out,/It's way too early for it to be out;/21:19
ubottuI'll remember that rww21:19
rww!outyet21:19
ubottuIt's way too early for it to be out; check back on the 28th.21:19
Logan_rww: nvm21:19
PiciWe already had someone today asking when #u-r-p opens :|21:20
Logan_"way too early?"21:20
Logan_it's only 17 days :P21:20
rwwWhen /does/ #ubuntu-release-party open?21:20
rwwLogan_: hush, we're trying to forget that.21:20
LjLPARTY!21:20
PiciUsuaully a week before the release.21:20
Logan_rww: lol21:20
tonyyarussorww: when tonyyarusso gets bored21:20
Logan_!norelease21:20
ubottuThe release manager saw his shadow and went back into his burrow, so we'll have six more weeks of Hardy.21:20
rwwrelease time is filled with headaches and sorrow21:20
LjLhardy <321:20
Picihardy?21:20
rwwhardy :|21:20
LjLi'll have at least one more year of hardy i'm sure21:20
* tonyyarusso just got his "Hardy reaches EOL" text message21:21
Pici!norelease =~ s/his/her/21:21
ubottuI'll remember that Pici21:21
rwwLjL: I hope you're on server!21:21
charlie-tcaWe are done with hardy desktop May 1221:21
Pici!norelease =~ s/his/her/21:21
LjLrww: lolno, i'm on kubuntu21:21
tonyyarussorww: Hardy server is EOL May 12th.21:21
rww!norelease =~ s/her/hir/21:21
ubottuI'll remember that rww21:21
tonyyarussowait21:21
tonyyarussonvm21:21
Logan_rww: lol21:21
rwwtonyyarusso: what.21:21
Picirww: no...21:21
LjLthis is craziness21:21
* tonyyarusso is silly - ignore him21:21
Logan_!no0tic21:21
ubottuHi, how can I help you?21:21
charlie-tcatonyyarusso: server is 5 years, desktop is 321:21
rwwI for one welcome our gender-neutral pronoun overlords.21:21
rwwby which I mean me.21:21
Picirww: Kate Stewart is a her.21:21
tonyyarussoDAPPER!  That's the one that server is finally EOLing.21:21
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget no0tic21:22
Pici!dapper21:22
ubottuUbuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was the fourth release of Ubuntu. Desktop support ended on July 14th 2009, Server support will end in June 2011. See !upgrade for upgrade instructions21:22
charlie-tcaThat's the one! 6.0621:22
IdleOne!forget no0tic21:22
ubottuI'll forget that, IdleOne21:22
rwwPici: No need to write the factoid so that it needs to be rewritten every time we get a new RM :321:22
Pici!forget n0tic21:22
ubottuI know nothing about n0tic yet, Pici21:22
rwwWrite it using non-standard English instead, much better.21:23
LjLwrite it in italian21:23
LjLthe equivalent pronoun is gender-neutral21:23
Logan_lol21:23
Logan_!10.421:23
ubottuIts 10.04!!21:23
rwwERROR: problematic rww-mood detected, removing Linode access21:23
Pici!fiesty21:23
ubottuIt is spelt "FEIsty" :)21:23
Picimod_rww?21:24
Logan_Pici: wait, people actually spelled it that way?21:24
LjLcourse21:24
PiciLogan_: Yes.21:24
IdleOnechmod -x rww21:24
Logan_that's depressing :P21:24
LjLmisspelling every release of ubuntu is a long honored tradition21:24
Pici!gusty21:24
ubottuIt is spelt !guTSy :)21:24
rwwdid we set up the ten or so misspellings of the real name of Offtopic Otter yet?21:24
* rww doesn't even try21:24
Pici!search spelt21:24
ubottuFound: interpid, mavrick, gusty, fiesty21:24
Logan_what will Natty be?21:24
Logan_Nttay?21:24
LjLrww: brits will spell it Ottre i'm sure21:24
PiciLogan_: Nasty21:24
Logan_lol21:24
rww!nasty21:24
rww):21:24
LjLPici: no rewriting factoids to suit your silly american conventions now ;(21:25
Logan_!nasty is <reply> It is spelt !naTTy :)21:25
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, Logan_ said: !nasty is <reply> It is spelt !naTTy :)21:25
Logan_no kidding :P21:25
IdleOne!nasty is <reply> It is spelt !naTTy :)21:25
ubottuI'll remember that, IdleOne21:25
Logan_LjL: what did you mean by this one?21:25
Logan_!my own21:25
ubottuHere you go!21:25
* Pici blinks21:26
LjLLogan_: don't ask me such questions :<21:26
Logan_:321:26
IdleOneubottu: needs a !forget <submitted> LjL21:26
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:26
IdleOnemake life easier on Logan_21:27
LjL!-my own21:27
ubottumy own has no aliases - added by LjL on 2008-09-30 23:53:1021:27
Logan_IdleOne: lol21:27
LjLi was young!21:27
LjLi still had my hair!21:27
IdleOne!forget my own21:27
ubottuI'll forget that, IdleOne21:27
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget lynoure21:27
IdleOne!lynoure21:27
ubottuLynoure has the answer!21:27
IdleOnewho is/was Lynoure?21:28
Logan_who was phone?21:28
IdleOne!forget lynoure21:28
ubottuI'll forget that, IdleOne21:28
LjL-ot user i believe21:28
IdleOne!phone21:28
Logan_another strange one from the same user21:28
Logan_!newstome21:29
ubottunewstome is ohh wow, I missed the 11 o'clock bulletin21:29
LjLdoes sound like ompaul21:29
IdleOnethat we can use in -ot21:29
Logan_!test again21:31
Logan_hmm, gone21:31
Logan_!list-it21:31
ubottulist-it is questo è un canale di aiuto solo, non è un canale o rete di distributione di fila21:31
LjLugh the grammar21:32
IdleOnein questo canale si parla solo l'italiano ou bien le francais21:32
IdleOneque?21:32
LjLnada21:33
IdleOnegracias21:33
LjLbitte21:33
ubottuIn ubottu, Logan_ said: !sfd  =~ s/20th September 2008/17th September 2011/21:33
TheEvilPhoenixyou've got someone in #ubuntu using extremely vulgar language21:33
TheEvilPhoenixi already did a !lanugage to them21:33
Logan_rww: see my request above21:34
Logan_and/or LjL or IdleOne21:34
LjLseems he's trying to get attention, i think he deserves all the attention he can get21:34
LjLi can't edit factoids, that privilege was removed from me because of obvious abuse!21:34
Logan_lol21:35
tonyyarusso!karmic21:35
ubottuUbuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. !End-Of-Life on April 29th 2011, see http://goo.gl/UUTAB for details.21:35
IdleOneTheEvilPhoenix: he parted but if he returns with the same attitude please let us know21:35
TheEvilPhoenixIdleOne:  you'll be the first to know ;)21:35
IdleOneheh21:35
Logan_<ubottu> In ubottu, Logan_ said: !sfd  =~ s/20th September 2008/17th September 2011/21:35
Logan_:/21:35
IdleOnewhat is sfd?21:36
Logan_some event21:36
Logan_!sfd21:36
ubottuSoftware Freedom Day, Saturday 20th September 2008 http://softwarefreedomday.org/ Get involved21:36
tonyyarussoSoftware Freedom Day21:36
Logan_I faux-updated it with the 2011 date21:36
Logan_so just run that command :P21:36
IdleOnethat is the right date?21:36
Logan_yep21:36
IdleOne!sfd  =~ s/20th September 2008/17th September 2011/21:36
ubottuI'll remember that IdleOne21:36
Logan_gracias21:36
IdleOneprego21:37
Logan_ah, this is fun21:37
Logan_:P21:37
IdleOnewould be a lot easier if you just emailed rww a list with all your changes/updates/deletes21:37
Logan_mmhm21:37
Logan_well, I'd best be parting21:38
Logan_cya ops :P21:38
IdleOnelater21:38
IdleOnehey21:38
Logan_yes?21:38
IdleOnethanks for the hard work with the factoids :)21:38
Logan_haha, no prob21:38
Logan_ubottu's my homie :P21:38
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:38
Logan_...or not21:38
IdleOne!cookie > Logan_21:38
ubottuLogan_, please see my private message21:38
Logan_!opsnack | IdleOne21:39
ubottuIdleOne: Chocolate! And Strawberries! And ICE CREAM! oOo! and 60 minutes +m!21:39
Picifloodbots can ban for that sort of thing now?23:37
LjLPici: it's not new. if you're a webchat user, they ban you whenever you get kicked or muted23:37
LjLPici: and that guy got muted for flooding23:37
PiciLjL: oh right.23:38
PiciLjL: I missed the part where he was flooding.23:38
LjLPici: err well you know the "flooding" algorithm does consider certain particular patterns as more "floody" than others ;P23:38

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