[00:29] <LjL> #kubuntu still exists? *blinks*
[00:57] <apachelogger> LjL: only so that I can ban people every now and then :P
[01:35] <LjL> hacker_
[02:14] <rww> heh, I guess I didn't do Floodbot cleanup in a while. 7 bans and 12 exempts removed.
[02:24] <Flannel> rww: It grew unchecked during the epoch of your k-train.
[08:06] <Seven_Six_Two> is ZykoticK9 an op?
[08:07] <rww> Seven_Six_Two: which channel?
[08:07] <Seven_Six_Two> #ubuntu
[08:08] <Tm_T> Seven_Six_Two: as far as I can tell no, why asking?
[08:08] <rww> Seven_Six_Two: no, see /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list . I haven't looked at the scrollback in there, but given the most common reasons for asking that question, I feel it's best to point out that #ubuntu has a norm that you don't need to be an op to give good advice about behavior.
[08:09] <rww> ah, the gksudo/sudo thing.
[08:09] <rww> Use gksudo for graphical apps, even if you don't see the point. You really don't want to bother having that argument.
[08:09] <Seven_Six_Two> rww, thanks. I've tried to call someone on bad advice in the apache channel before, and had a guy threaten to "moderate" me for it...
[08:10] <rww> Seven_Six_Two: there's another #ubuntu norm that waving op status around as a bludgeon is very bad taste (:
[08:10] <Seven_Six_Two> rww, oh I don't see a difference either way, but I don't want to make enemies
[08:11] <rww> (brb, restarting my local computer)
[08:11] <Seven_Six_Two> rww, and he sent this link:  http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo    from ubottu, that is external, and very outdated. and not at all applicable, from what I saw and read
[08:12] <Tm_T> Seven_Six_Two: to make it short and clear: we dot not like having any kind of argumentation sudo vs gksudo in our support channels; gksudo (or kdesudo) is the supported method.
[08:12] <Seven_Six_Two> Tm_T, fair enough! Thanks.
[08:13] <Tm_T> Seven_Six_Two: I see regularly messed up systems due to the sudo usage, so it still applies (:
[08:13] <Seven_Six_Two> Tm_T, I guess if you have to pick one or the other for clarity and all that fun stuff
[08:14] <Seven_Six_Two> Tm_T, not clarity. Unity. pun intended. Bye for now
[08:14] <Tm_T> bye and thanks
[08:14] <Tm_T> there's no luxury of choice really but meh...
[11:51] <ikonia> I see it
[11:51] <Tm_T> ?
[11:51] <ikonia> the language
[15:17] <Pici> !gnome3
[15:18] <Pici> Is there a reason why we don't have a gnome3 factoid yet? I've seen a few submissions so far.
[15:18] <LjL> because hardly anybody here ever considers submissions
[15:18] <LjL> (i guess)
[15:21] <Pici> I'm not sure I like suggesting to people to install something that has this warning: "This PPA is EXPERIMENTAL and MAY BREAK YOUR SYSTEM. There is no downgrade process."
[15:23] <LjL> i have no idea whether that's just a token disclaimer or what, there being no downgrade process isn't surprising
[15:23] <Pici> It is a bit scary.
[15:24] <LjL> i think the question is, is it better than people going on to compile it or install it from some other source if some exists?
[15:28] <Pici> That PPA is for Natty only :/
[15:29] <LjL> might want to add it for #ubuntu+1 then, after all the people in there are already using something that they ought to know may cause nasal demons
[15:33] <Pici> !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 is <reply> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu, a PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 However these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system.
[15:33] <Pici> !gnome3-#ubuntu+1
[15:34] <IdleOne> Good morning
[15:34] <Pici> Howdy
[16:16] <ikonia> what's the gnome 3 stuff for 10.10 ?
[16:16] <Pici> No, natty only.
[16:17] <ikonia> there was a package the other day called gnome-3 that I was confused about
[16:17] <Pici> ikonia: !msgthebot
[16:18] <ikonia> maybe I was wrong,
[16:18] <ikonia> ahh that was it, gnome-shell is there
[16:18] <ikonia> still the 2 version though
[16:49] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu x_ bad part message
[20:24] <Pici> LjL: Any news about releasing floodbot's source?
[20:30] <LjL> i'm still not even really sure it's a good idea, i've been advised both ways
[20:36] <Pici> !hardy
[20:50] <rww> For what it's worth, that Gnome3 PPA has actually broken several peoples' natty installs that I've seen, as opposed to the general "PPAs might eat your cat!" sentiment.
[20:50] <LjL> ah
[20:51] <ikonia> not impressed with the non-support of gnome3
[20:51] <rww> Yes, I have rather strong and predictable opinions about how things are turning out :)
[20:55] <rww> !info glx-dock
[20:55] <rww> !info glx-dock natty
[20:56] <Logan_> rww: hmm...
[20:56] <Logan_> maybe !cairo-dock should just be deleted, in that case
[20:56] <rww> Logan_: cairo-dock was renamed to glx-dock, I take it?
[20:56] <Logan_> yes
[20:56] <rww> !cairo-dock
[20:56] <rww> I don't think we really need a factoid about it at all, tbh.
[20:57] <Logan_> hmmk
[20:57] <Logan_> just trying to update it :P
[20:57] <rww> !-cairo-dock
[20:57] <Logan_> but if it's not even in the repo, then I guess we should delete it
[20:57] <rww> !forget cairo-dock
[20:57] <Logan_> cool
[20:57] <Logan_> thanks rww
[20:57] <rww> no problem, thanks for bringing it up :)
[20:58] <Logan_> :) always trying to clean out the factoid db
[20:59] <rww> trying to get me to delete awn, too :3?
[20:59] <Logan_> lol
[20:59] <Logan_> is that not in the repo either?
[20:59] <Logan_> !info awn
[20:59] <LjL> [21:59:25] <BestBot> LjL, avant-window-navigator, cairo-dock, gnome-do, stalonetray  —  GNOME: simdock  —  KDE: kdocker, kooldock
[20:59] <rww> might be best to forget the specific ones and make !dock is <reply> Ubuntu's repositories have several dock-like programs, try...
[21:00] <Logan_> rww: agreed
[21:00] <Logan_> that's the only specific dock left
[21:00]  * LjL should still integrate BestBot with ubottu
[21:00] <Logan_> LjL: mmhmm
[21:00] <Logan_> that would be cool
[21:00] <rww> LjL: gnome-do => docky now, btw
[21:00] <rww> !awn
[21:00] <rww> !-awn
[21:00] <rww> !forget avant
[21:00] <rww> !forget awn
[21:01] <Logan_> lag?
[21:01] <LjL> rww: are they quite the same though, or was it a rewrite? if the latter, i'd rather keep both for users of older versions
[21:01] <Logan_> what's with ubottu? :P
[21:02] <LjL> it probably just didn't want to repeat the same thing twice
[21:02] <IdleOne> !awn
[21:02] <rww> !dock is <reply> Ubuntu includes several dock-like navigation bars. Some options are: avant-window-navigator, cairo-dock, docky (formerly part of gnome-do), stalonetray, simdock, kdocker, kooldock.
[21:02] <rww> LjL: indeed.
[21:02] <Logan_> oh, ok
[21:02] <Logan_> rww: cool
[21:03] <rww> LjL: docky got extracted out from gnome-do and spun off into a separate project, afaik
[21:03] <rww> !docks is <alias> dock
[21:03] <Logan_> :)
[21:04] <Logan_> let's see what else I can wreak havoc on in the factoids db :P
[21:04] <rww> careful, you'll turn into me ;P
[21:04] <Logan_> lol
[21:04]  * rww got bored and corrected the capitalization of "freenode" in all the database once
[21:06]  * LjL turned all the "" into «», all the | into - and more :P
[21:06] <Logan_> haha
[21:06] <rww> subsequently, other ops started a | incursion
[21:06] <LjL> ;(
[21:06] <rww> !oglf
[21:06] <Logan_> it's an event that never occurred :P
[21:06] <rww> !-oglf
[21:07] <rww> !scope > nhandler
[21:07] <rww> !forget oglf
[21:07] <LjL> harsh
[21:07] <rww> ;P
[21:07] <Logan_> lol
[21:07] <maco> it was cancelled
[21:07] <maco> !olf
[21:07] <maco> aww
[21:07] <rww> LjL: I prefer the term "hilarious"
[21:07] <LjL> rww by the way honest question, did you not get my pm because you were away or decided not to answer it? =)
[21:07] <Logan_> lmao
[21:08] <maco> !olf is <reply> Ohio LinuxFest is September 9-11, 2011 in Columbus Ohio. http://ohiolinux.org
[21:08] <rww> I don't think we need a factoid for Linux conventions.
[21:08] <rww> LjL: now isn't a good time, given my current annoyedness level :|
[21:08] <LjL> maybe it's for some specific channel, i'm not sure it can hurt much anyway...
[21:08] <LjL> rww: ok
[21:09] <IdleOne> !raptors
[21:09] <Logan_> :D
[21:09] <IdleOne> !forget raptors
[21:09] <rww> otoh i think a factoid about raptors is essential.
[21:09] <Logan_> Madpilot...
[21:09]  * LjL votes keep
[21:09] <IdleOne> !unforget raptors
[21:10] <rww> I am disappointed that it does not include an xkcd link or three.
[21:10] <IdleOne> 2 to 1 the 2's win
[21:10] <Logan_> IdleOne: at least make it #ubuntu-offtopic :P
[21:10] <rww> Logan_: you're too new to remember the last time raptors attacked #ubuntu ;(
[21:10] <Logan_> lol
[21:10] <rww> many good nicks dropped that day :'(
[21:11] <Logan_> !lazy
[21:11] <Logan_> what is this I don't even
[21:11] <rww> in before LjL
[21:11] <rww> !-lazy
[21:11] <rww> in after LjL.
[21:12] <LjL> i think it's supposed to be an answer to things like "please add factoid about x" :P
[21:12] <LjL> not sure!
[21:12] <rww> !forget LjL
[21:12] <rww> erm
[21:13] <rww> !foget lazy
[21:13] <IdleOne> foget!
[21:13] <IdleOne> goget it noa!
[21:13] <Pici> !forget how to spell
[21:13] <rww> LjL: see what I mean :(
[21:13] <Logan_> foget :P
[21:13] <rww> !forget lazy
[21:13] <IdleOne> !forget raptors
[21:13] <Pici> raptors?!
[21:13] <LjL> raptors!
[21:13] <Pici> !uforget raptors
[21:13] <Pici> !unforget raptors
[21:13] <IdleOne> no U
[21:13] <Pici> !raptors
[21:14] <LjL> Pici: it doesn't work like umount
[21:14] <Pici> :(
[21:14] <Pici> !forget raptors
[21:14] <rww> umount is an imperative sentence.
[21:14] <IdleOne> all know species of raptors are from Toronto
[21:14] <IdleOne> known*
[21:14] <Pici> all know?
[21:15] <rww> today is keyboard faiure da
[21:15] <IdleOne> ^^
[21:15] <LjL> rly
[21:15] <Pici> keybard
[21:15] <rww> verily, I am a keybard
[21:17] <Logan_> lol
[21:17] <Logan_> !outyet
[21:17] <IdleOne> that is useful
[21:17] <Pici> verily;
[21:18] <Logan_> IdleOne: especially once Natty comes out :P
[21:18] <rww> !outyet is <reply> No! Come back on April 28th!
[21:18] <rww> !no, outyet is <reply> No! Come back on April 28th!
[21:18] <Pici> !no outyet is <alias> isitout
[21:18] <rww> oops
[21:18] <Pici> !outyet
[21:19] <rww> APOSTROPHE
[21:19] <rww> also comma splice
[21:19] <Pici> rww: do the honors of fixing it then
[21:19] <rww> !-outyet
[21:19] <rww> !-isitout
[21:19] <Pici> wut? I don't remember editing that.
[21:19] <Logan_> rww: question
[21:19] <rww> !isitout =~ s/Its way too early for it to be out,/It's way too early for it to be out;/
[21:19] <rww> !outyet
[21:19] <Logan_> rww: nvm
[21:20] <Pici> We already had someone today asking when #u-r-p opens :|
[21:20] <Logan_> "way too early?"
[21:20] <Logan_> it's only 17 days :P
[21:20] <rww> When /does/ #ubuntu-release-party open?
[21:20] <rww> Logan_: hush, we're trying to forget that.
[21:20] <LjL> PARTY!
[21:20] <Pici> Usuaully a week before the release.
[21:20] <Logan_> rww: lol
[21:20] <tonyyarusso> rww: when tonyyarusso gets bored
[21:20] <Logan_> !norelease
[21:20] <rww> release time is filled with headaches and sorrow
[21:20] <LjL> hardy <3
[21:20] <Pici> hardy?
[21:20] <rww> hardy :|
[21:20] <LjL> i'll have at least one more year of hardy i'm sure
[21:21]  * tonyyarusso just got his "Hardy reaches EOL" text message
[21:21] <Pici> !norelease =~ s/his/her/
[21:21] <rww> LjL: I hope you're on server!
[21:21] <charlie-tca> We are done with hardy desktop May 12
[21:21] <Pici> !norelease =~ s/his/her/
[21:21] <LjL> rww: lolno, i'm on kubuntu
[21:21] <tonyyarusso> rww: Hardy server is EOL May 12th.
[21:21] <rww> !norelease =~ s/her/hir/
[21:21] <tonyyarusso> wait
[21:21] <tonyyarusso> nvm
[21:21] <Logan_> rww: lol
[21:21] <rww> tonyyarusso: what.
[21:21] <Pici> rww: no...
[21:21] <LjL> this is craziness
[21:21]  * tonyyarusso is silly - ignore him
[21:21] <Logan_> !no0tic
[21:21] <charlie-tca> tonyyarusso: server is 5 years, desktop is 3
[21:21] <rww> I for one welcome our gender-neutral pronoun overlords.
[21:21] <rww> by which I mean me.
[21:21] <Pici> rww: Kate Stewart is a her.
[21:21] <tonyyarusso> DAPPER!  That's the one that server is finally EOLing.
[21:22] <Pici> !dapper
[21:22] <charlie-tca> That's the one! 6.06
[21:22] <IdleOne> !forget no0tic
[21:22] <rww> Pici: No need to write the factoid so that it needs to be rewritten every time we get a new RM :3
[21:22] <Pici> !forget n0tic
[21:23] <rww> Write it using non-standard English instead, much better.
[21:23] <LjL> write it in italian
[21:23] <LjL> the equivalent pronoun is gender-neutral
[21:23] <Logan_> lol
[21:23] <Logan_> !10.4
[21:23] <rww> ERROR: problematic rww-mood detected, removing Linode access
[21:23] <Pici> !fiesty
[21:24] <Pici> mod_rww?
[21:24] <Logan_> Pici: wait, people actually spelled it that way?
[21:24] <LjL> course
[21:24] <Pici> Logan_: Yes.
[21:24] <IdleOne> chmod -x rww
[21:24] <Logan_> that's depressing :P
[21:24] <LjL> misspelling every release of ubuntu is a long honored tradition
[21:24] <Pici> !gusty
[21:24] <rww> did we set up the ten or so misspellings of the real name of Offtopic Otter yet?
[21:24]  * rww doesn't even try
[21:24] <Pici> !search spelt
[21:24] <Logan_> what will Natty be?
[21:24] <Logan_> Nttay?
[21:24] <LjL> rww: brits will spell it Ottre i'm sure
[21:24] <Pici> Logan_: Nasty
[21:24] <Logan_> lol
[21:24] <rww> !nasty
[21:24] <rww> ):
[21:25] <LjL> Pici: no rewriting factoids to suit your silly american conventions now ;(
[21:25] <Logan_> !nasty is <reply> It is spelt !naTTy :)
[21:25] <Logan_> no kidding :P
[21:25] <IdleOne> !nasty is <reply> It is spelt !naTTy :)
[21:25] <Logan_> LjL: what did you mean by this one?
[21:25] <Logan_> !my own
[21:26]  * Pici blinks
[21:26] <LjL> Logan_: don't ask me such questions :<
[21:26] <Logan_> :3
[21:26] <IdleOne> ubottu: needs a !forget <submitted> LjL
[21:27] <IdleOne> make life easier on Logan_
[21:27] <LjL> !-my own
[21:27] <Logan_> IdleOne: lol
[21:27] <LjL> i was young!
[21:27] <LjL> i still had my hair!
[21:27] <IdleOne> !forget my own
[21:27] <IdleOne> !lynoure
[21:28] <IdleOne> who is/was Lynoure?
[21:28] <Logan_> who was phone?
[21:28] <IdleOne> !forget lynoure
[21:28] <LjL> -ot user i believe
[21:28] <IdleOne> !phone
[21:28] <Logan_> another strange one from the same user
[21:29] <Logan_> !newstome
[21:29] <LjL> does sound like ompaul
[21:29] <IdleOne> that we can use in -ot
[21:31] <Logan_> !test again
[21:31] <Logan_> hmm, gone
[21:31] <Logan_> !list-it
[21:32] <LjL> ugh the grammar
[21:32] <IdleOne> in questo canale si parla solo l'italiano ou bien le francais
[21:32] <IdleOne> que?
[21:33] <LjL> nada
[21:33] <IdleOne> gracias
[21:33] <LjL> bitte
[21:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> you've got someone in #ubuntu using extremely vulgar language
[21:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> i already did a !lanugage to them
[21:34] <Logan_> rww: see my request above
[21:34] <Logan_> and/or LjL or IdleOne
[21:34] <LjL> seems he's trying to get attention, i think he deserves all the attention he can get
[21:34] <LjL> i can't edit factoids, that privilege was removed from me because of obvious abuse!
[21:35] <Logan_> lol
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> !karmic
[21:35] <IdleOne> TheEvilPhoenix: he parted but if he returns with the same attitude please let us know
[21:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> IdleOne:  you'll be the first to know ;)
[21:35] <IdleOne> heh
 In ubottu, Logan_ said: !sfd  =~ s/20th September 2008/17th September 2011/
[21:35] <Logan_> :/
[21:36] <IdleOne> what is sfd?
[21:36] <Logan_> some event
[21:36] <Logan_> !sfd
[21:36] <tonyyarusso> Software Freedom Day
[21:36] <Logan_> I faux-updated it with the 2011 date
[21:36] <Logan_> so just run that command :P
[21:36] <IdleOne> that is the right date?
[21:36] <Logan_> yep
[21:36] <IdleOne> !sfd  =~ s/20th September 2008/17th September 2011/
[21:36] <Logan_> gracias
[21:37] <IdleOne> prego
[21:37] <Logan_> ah, this is fun
[21:37] <Logan_> :P
[21:37] <IdleOne> would be a lot easier if you just emailed rww a list with all your changes/updates/deletes
[21:37] <Logan_> mmhm
[21:38] <Logan_> well, I'd best be parting
[21:38] <Logan_> cya ops :P
[21:38] <IdleOne> later
[21:38] <IdleOne> hey
[21:38] <Logan_> yes?
[21:38] <IdleOne> thanks for the hard work with the factoids :)
[21:38] <Logan_> haha, no prob
[21:38] <Logan_> ubottu's my homie :P
[21:38] <Logan_> ...or not
[21:38] <IdleOne> !cookie > Logan_
[21:39] <Logan_> !opsnack | IdleOne
[23:37] <Pici> floodbots can ban for that sort of thing now?
[23:37] <LjL> Pici: it's not new. if you're a webchat user, they ban you whenever you get kicked or muted
[23:37] <LjL> Pici: and that guy got muted for flooding
[23:38] <Pici> LjL: oh right.
[23:38] <Pici> LjL: I missed the part where he was flooding.
[23:38] <LjL> Pici: err well you know the "flooding" algorithm does consider certain particular patterns as more "floody" than others ;P