[00:29] Pante59 called the ops in #kubuntu () [00:29] #kubuntu still exists? *blinks* [00:57] LjL: only so that I can ban people every now and then :P [01:34] shcherbak called the ops in #ubuntu (Please, whats silly.) [01:35] hacker_ [02:14] heh, I guess I didn't do Floodbot cleanup in a while. 7 bans and 12 exempts removed. [02:24] rww: It grew unchecked during the epoch of your k-train. [08:06] is ZykoticK9 an op? [08:07] Seven_Six_Two: which channel? [08:07] #ubuntu [08:08] Seven_Six_Two: as far as I can tell no, why asking? [08:08] Seven_Six_Two: no, see /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list . I haven't looked at the scrollback in there, but given the most common reasons for asking that question, I feel it's best to point out that #ubuntu has a norm that you don't need to be an op to give good advice about behavior. [08:09] ah, the gksudo/sudo thing. [08:09] Use gksudo for graphical apps, even if you don't see the point. You really don't want to bother having that argument. [08:09] rww, thanks. I've tried to call someone on bad advice in the apache channel before, and had a guy threaten to "moderate" me for it... [08:10] Seven_Six_Two: there's another #ubuntu norm that waving op status around as a bludgeon is very bad taste (: [08:10] rww, oh I don't see a difference either way, but I don't want to make enemies [08:11] (brb, restarting my local computer) [08:11] rww, and he sent this link: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo from ubottu, that is external, and very outdated. and not at all applicable, from what I saw and read [08:12] Seven_Six_Two: to make it short and clear: we dot not like having any kind of argumentation sudo vs gksudo in our support channels; gksudo (or kdesudo) is the supported method. [08:12] Tm_T, fair enough! Thanks. [08:13] Seven_Six_Two: I see regularly messed up systems due to the sudo usage, so it still applies (: [08:13] Tm_T, I guess if you have to pick one or the other for clarity and all that fun stuff [08:14] Tm_T, not clarity. Unity. pun intended. Bye for now [08:14] bye and thanks [08:14] there's no luxury of choice really but meh... [11:42] Riddell called the ops in #ubuntu () [11:51] I see it [11:51] ? [11:51] the language [15:17] In ubottu, arand said: !gnome3 is Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu, a PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 However these packages are _unstable_ and may break your system. [15:17] !gnome3 [15:18] Is there a reason why we don't have a gnome3 factoid yet? I've seen a few submissions so far. [15:18] because hardly anybody here ever considers submissions [15:18] (i guess) [15:21] I'm not sure I like suggesting to people to install something that has this warning: "This PPA is EXPERIMENTAL and MAY BREAK YOUR SYSTEM. There is no downgrade process." [15:23] i have no idea whether that's just a token disclaimer or what, there being no downgrade process isn't surprising [15:23] It is a bit scary. [15:24] i think the question is, is it better than people going on to compile it or install it from some other source if some exists? [15:28] That PPA is for Natty only :/ [15:29] might want to add it for #ubuntu+1 then, after all the people in there are already using something that they ought to know may cause nasal demons [15:33] !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 is Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu, a PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 However these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system. [15:33] I'll remember that, Pici [15:33] !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 [15:33] Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu, a PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 However these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system. [15:34] Good morning [15:34] Howdy [16:16] what's the gnome 3 stuff for 10.10 ? [16:16] No, natty only. [16:17] there was a package the other day called gnome-3 that I was confused about [16:17] ikonia: !msgthebot [16:18] maybe I was wrong, [16:18] ahh that was it, gnome-shell is there [16:18] still the 2 version though [16:49] @mark #ubuntu x_ bad part message [16:49] The operation succeeded. [20:24] LjL: Any news about releasing floodbot's source? [20:30] i'm still not even really sure it's a good idea, i've been advised both ways [20:36] !hardy [20:36] Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Desktop support will end on May 12 2011. See !upgrade, !lts and !eol for more details. [20:50] For what it's worth, that Gnome3 PPA has actually broken several peoples' natty installs that I've seen, as opposed to the general "PPAs might eat your cat!" sentiment. [20:50] ah [20:51] not impressed with the non-support of gnome3 [20:51] Yes, I have rather strong and predictable opinions about how things are turning out :) [20:55] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !glx-dock is a Mac OS X-like dock for the GNOME desktop; see http://glx-dock.org/ [20:55] !info glx-dock [20:55] Package glx-dock does not exist in maverick [20:55] In ubottu, Logan_ said: no, !cairo-dock is glx-dock [20:55] !info glx-dock natty [20:55] Package glx-dock does not exist in natty [20:56] rww: hmm... [20:56] maybe !cairo-dock should just be deleted, in that case [20:56] Logan_: cairo-dock was renamed to glx-dock, I take it? [20:56] yes [20:56] !cairo-dock [20:56] cairo-dock is a MacOS X -like dock for the gnome desktop, see www.cairo-dock.org [20:56] I don't think we really need a factoid about it at all, tbh. [20:57] hmmk [20:57] just trying to update it :P [20:57] !-cairo-dock [20:57] cairo-dock has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-08-09 12:28:37 - last edited by Seveas on 2008-01-29 22:58:24 [20:57] but if it's not even in the repo, then I guess we should delete it [20:57] !forget cairo-dock [20:57] I'll forget that, rww [20:57] cool [20:57] thanks rww [20:57] no problem, thanks for bringing it up :) [20:58] :) always trying to clean out the factoid db [20:58] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !dock is awn [20:58] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !docks is awn [20:59] trying to get me to delete awn, too :3? [20:59] lol [20:59] is that not in the repo either? [20:59] !info awn [20:59] [21:59:25] LjL, avant-window-navigator, cairo-dock, gnome-do, stalonetray — GNOME: simdock — KDE: kdocker, kooldock [20:59] Package awn does not exist in maverick [20:59] might be best to forget the specific ones and make !dock is Ubuntu's repositories have several dock-like programs, try... [21:00] rww: agreed [21:00] that's the only specific dock left [21:00] * LjL should still integrate BestBot with ubottu [21:00] LjL: mmhmm [21:00] that would be cool [21:00] LjL: gnome-do => docky now, btw [21:00] !awn [21:00] Avant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the Linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/ - Awn-Manager can be found in Universe from Hardy (8.04) onwards. [21:00] !-awn [21:00] awn aliases: avant - added by Hobbsee on 2008-04-09 14:41:16 - last edited by elky on 2009-09-19 16:55:30 [21:00] !forget avant [21:00] I'll forget that, rww [21:00] !forget awn [21:01] lag? [21:01] rww: are they quite the same though, or was it a rewrite? if the latter, i'd rather keep both for users of older versions [21:01] what's with ubottu? :P [21:02] it probably just didn't want to repeat the same thing twice [21:02] !awn [21:02] !dock is Ubuntu includes several dock-like navigation bars. Some options are: avant-window-navigator, cairo-dock, docky (formerly part of gnome-do), stalonetray, simdock, kdocker, kooldock. [21:02] I'll remember that, rww [21:02] LjL: indeed. [21:02] oh, ok [21:02] rww: cool [21:03] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !docks is dock [21:03] LjL: docky got extracted out from gnome-do and spun off into a separate project, afaik [21:03] !docks is dock [21:03] I'll remember that, rww [21:03] :) [21:04] let's see what else I can wreak havoc on in the factoids db :P [21:04] careful, you'll turn into me ;P [21:04] lol [21:04] * rww got bored and corrected the capitalization of "freenode" in all the database once [21:06] * LjL turned all the "" into «», all the | into - and more :P [21:06] haha [21:06] subsequently, other ops started a | incursion [21:06] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget oglf [21:06] ;( [21:06] !oglf [21:06] Ontario GNU/Linux Fest. October 23, 2010 in Toronto. http://oglf.ca/ [21:06] it's an event that never occurred :P [21:06] !-oglf [21:06] oglf has no aliases - added by nhandler on 2010-08-17 15:57:18 [21:07] !scope > nhandler [21:07] nhandler, please see my private message [21:07] !forget oglf [21:07] I'll forget that, rww [21:07] harsh [21:07] ;P [21:07] lol [21:07] it was cancelled [21:07] !olf [21:07] aww [21:07] LjL: I prefer the term "hilarious" [21:07] rww by the way honest question, did you not get my pm because you were away or decided not to answer it? =) [21:07] lmao [21:08] !olf is Ohio LinuxFest is September 9-11, 2011 in Columbus Ohio. http://ohiolinux.org [21:08] I'll remember that, maco [21:08] I don't think we need a factoid for Linux conventions. [21:08] LjL: now isn't a good time, given my current annoyedness level :| [21:08] maybe it's for some specific channel, i'm not sure it can hurt much anyway... [21:08] rww: ok [21:09] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget raptors [21:09] !raptors [21:09] Not as big as you thought they were. But just as dangerous. "... clever girl..." [21:09] :D [21:09] !forget raptors [21:09] I'll forget that, IdleOne [21:09] otoh i think a factoid about raptors is essential. [21:09] Madpilot... [21:09] * LjL votes keep [21:09] !unforget raptors [21:09] I suddenly remember raptors again, IdleOne [21:10] I am disappointed that it does not include an xkcd link or three. [21:10] 2 to 1 the 2's win [21:10] IdleOne: at least make it #ubuntu-offtopic :P [21:10] Logan_: you're too new to remember the last time raptors attacked #ubuntu ;( [21:10] lol [21:10] many good nicks dropped that day :'( [21:11] !lazy [21:11] But perhaps operators are lazy, and would rather wait for you to submit a good factoid entry instead... [21:11] what is this I don't even [21:11] in before LjL [21:11] !-lazy [21:11] lazy has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-12-28 03:07:01 [21:11] in after LjL. [21:12] i think it's supposed to be an answer to things like "please add factoid about x" :P [21:12] not sure! [21:12] !forget LjL [21:12] I know nothing about LjL yet, rww [21:12] erm [21:13] !foget lazy [21:13] foget! [21:13] goget it noa! [21:13] !forget how to spell [21:13] I know nothing about how to spell yet, Pici [21:13] LjL: see what I mean :( [21:13] foget :P [21:13] !forget lazy [21:13] I'll forget that, rww [21:13] !forget raptors [21:13] I'll forget that, IdleOne [21:13] raptors?! [21:13] raptors! [21:13] !uforget raptors [21:13] !unforget raptors [21:13] I suddenly remember raptors again, Pici [21:13] no U [21:13] !raptors [21:13] Not as big as you thought they were. But just as dangerous. "... clever girl..." [21:14] Pici: it doesn't work like umount [21:14] :( [21:14] !forget raptors [21:14] I'll forget that, Pici [21:14] umount is an imperative sentence. [21:14] all know species of raptors are from Toronto [21:14] known* [21:14] all know? [21:15] today is keyboard faiure da [21:15] ^^ [21:15] rly [21:15] keybard [21:15] verily, I am a keybard [21:17] lol [21:17] !outyet [21:17] Yes. [21:17] that is useful [21:17] verily; [21:18] IdleOne: especially once Natty comes out :P [21:18] !outyet is No! Come back on April 28th! [21:18] But outyet already means something else! [21:18] !no, outyet is No! Come back on April 28th! [21:18] I'll remember that rww [21:18] !no outyet is isitout [21:18] I'll remember that Pici [21:18] oops [21:18] !outyet [21:18] Its way too early for it to be out, check back on the 28th. [21:19] APOSTROPHE [21:19] also comma splice [21:19] rww: do the honors of fixing it then [21:19] !-outyet [21:19] outyet is isitout - added by Pici on 2009-04-22 17:21:04 - last edited by Pici on 2011-04-11 20:18:34 [21:19] !-isitout [21:19] isitout aliases: outyet, isoutouyet, is it out yet, releasetime, isitoutyet - added by LjL on 2008-10-30 01:48:02 - last edited by Pici on 2011-04-04 13:48:07 [21:19] wut? I don't remember editing that. [21:19] rww: question [21:19] !isitout =~ s/Its way too early for it to be out,/It's way too early for it to be out;/ [21:19] I'll remember that rww [21:19] !outyet [21:19] It's way too early for it to be out; check back on the 28th. [21:19] rww: nvm [21:20] We already had someone today asking when #u-r-p opens :| [21:20] "way too early?" [21:20] it's only 17 days :P [21:20] When /does/ #ubuntu-release-party open? [21:20] Logan_: hush, we're trying to forget that. [21:20] PARTY! [21:20] Usuaully a week before the release. [21:20] rww: lol [21:20] rww: when tonyyarusso gets bored [21:20] !norelease [21:20] The release manager saw his shadow and went back into his burrow, so we'll have six more weeks of Hardy. [21:20] release time is filled with headaches and sorrow [21:20] hardy <3 [21:20] hardy? [21:20] hardy :| [21:20] i'll have at least one more year of hardy i'm sure [21:21] * tonyyarusso just got his "Hardy reaches EOL" text message [21:21] !norelease =~ s/his/her/ [21:21] I'll remember that Pici [21:21] LjL: I hope you're on server! [21:21] We are done with hardy desktop May 12 [21:21] !norelease =~ s/his/her/ [21:21] rww: lolno, i'm on kubuntu [21:21] rww: Hardy server is EOL May 12th. [21:21] !norelease =~ s/her/hir/ [21:21] I'll remember that rww [21:21] wait [21:21] nvm [21:21] rww: lol [21:21] tonyyarusso: what. [21:21] rww: no... [21:21] this is craziness [21:21] * tonyyarusso is silly - ignore him [21:21] !no0tic [21:21] Hi, how can I help you? [21:21] tonyyarusso: server is 5 years, desktop is 3 [21:21] I for one welcome our gender-neutral pronoun overlords. [21:21] by which I mean me. [21:21] rww: Kate Stewart is a her. [21:21] DAPPER! That's the one that server is finally EOLing. [21:22] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget no0tic [21:22] !dapper [21:22] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was the fourth release of Ubuntu. Desktop support ended on July 14th 2009, Server support will end in June 2011. See !upgrade for upgrade instructions [21:22] That's the one! 6.06 [21:22] !forget no0tic [21:22] I'll forget that, IdleOne [21:22] Pici: No need to write the factoid so that it needs to be rewritten every time we get a new RM :3 [21:22] !forget n0tic [21:22] I know nothing about n0tic yet, Pici [21:23] Write it using non-standard English instead, much better. [21:23] write it in italian [21:23] the equivalent pronoun is gender-neutral [21:23] lol [21:23] !10.4 [21:23] Its 10.04!! [21:23] ERROR: problematic rww-mood detected, removing Linode access [21:23] !fiesty [21:23] It is spelt "FEIsty" :) [21:24] mod_rww? [21:24] Pici: wait, people actually spelled it that way? [21:24] course [21:24] Logan_: Yes. [21:24] chmod -x rww [21:24] that's depressing :P [21:24] misspelling every release of ubuntu is a long honored tradition [21:24] !gusty [21:24] It is spelt !guTSy :) [21:24] did we set up the ten or so misspellings of the real name of Offtopic Otter yet? [21:24] * rww doesn't even try [21:24] !search spelt [21:24] Found: interpid, mavrick, gusty, fiesty [21:24] what will Natty be? [21:24] Nttay? [21:24] rww: brits will spell it Ottre i'm sure [21:24] Logan_: Nasty [21:24] lol [21:24] !nasty [21:24] ): [21:25] Pici: no rewriting factoids to suit your silly american conventions now ;( [21:25] !nasty is It is spelt !naTTy :) [21:25] In #ubuntu-ops, Logan_ said: !nasty is It is spelt !naTTy :) [21:25] no kidding :P [21:25] !nasty is It is spelt !naTTy :) [21:25] I'll remember that, IdleOne [21:25] LjL: what did you mean by this one? [21:25] !my own [21:25] Here you go! [21:26] * Pici blinks [21:26] Logan_: don't ask me such questions :< [21:26] :3 [21:26] ubottu: needs a !forget LjL [21:26] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [21:27] make life easier on Logan_ [21:27] !-my own [21:27] my own has no aliases - added by LjL on 2008-09-30 23:53:10 [21:27] IdleOne: lol [21:27] i was young! [21:27] i still had my hair! [21:27] !forget my own [21:27] I'll forget that, IdleOne [21:27] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget lynoure [21:27] !lynoure [21:27] Lynoure has the answer! [21:28] who is/was Lynoure? [21:28] who was phone? [21:28] !forget lynoure [21:28] I'll forget that, IdleOne [21:28] -ot user i believe [21:28] !phone [21:28] another strange one from the same user [21:29] !newstome [21:29] newstome is ohh wow, I missed the 11 o'clock bulletin [21:29] does sound like ompaul [21:29] that we can use in -ot [21:31] !test again [21:31] hmm, gone [21:31] !list-it [21:31] list-it is questo è un canale di aiuto solo, non è un canale o rete di distributione di fila [21:32] ugh the grammar [21:32] in questo canale si parla solo l'italiano ou bien le francais [21:32] que? [21:33] nada [21:33] gracias [21:33] bitte [21:33] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !sfd =~ s/20th September 2008/17th September 2011/ [21:33] you've got someone in #ubuntu using extremely vulgar language [21:33] i already did a !lanugage to them [21:34] rww: see my request above [21:34] and/or LjL or IdleOne [21:34] seems he's trying to get attention, i think he deserves all the attention he can get [21:34] i can't edit factoids, that privilege was removed from me because of obvious abuse! [21:35] lol [21:35] !karmic [21:35] Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. !End-Of-Life on April 29th 2011, see http://goo.gl/UUTAB for details. [21:35] TheEvilPhoenix: he parted but if he returns with the same attitude please let us know [21:35] IdleOne: you'll be the first to know ;) [21:35] heh [21:35] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !sfd =~ s/20th September 2008/17th September 2011/ [21:35] :/ [21:36] what is sfd? [21:36]