[00:26] <dogmatic69> bought a nikon d3000 today, does not seem to be picked up by ubuntu
[00:26] <dogmatic69> :/
[00:29] <dogmatic69> lsusb has Bus 001 Device 011: ID 04b0:0424 Nikon Corp.
[00:29] <dogmatic69> nautilus has nothing
[00:39] <directhex> dogmatic69, it's likely to be MTP, not MSC? so i don't think nautilus would see it
[00:39] <dutchie> probably simplest to pull out the sd card and stick it in a reader then
[00:39] <directhex> try shotwell/f-spot
[00:39] <dogmatic69> directhex: what is MTP / MSC
[00:40] <directhex> MSC, Mass Storage Controller, is where a device acts like a USB hard disk
[00:41] <dogmatic69> ok
[00:41] <dogmatic69> shotwell says "The camera is locked by another application.  Shotwell can only access the camera when it's unlocked.  Please close any other application using the camera and try again."
[00:41] <directhex> MTP, Media Transfer Protocol, is where a device instead presents itself as a device of a given class, and can have data transferred to/from it - notably it doesn't present things like folders, although your OS can make some fake folders & play pretend
[00:41] <dogmatic69> ah, thanks
[00:42] <directhex> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1447104&page=2 ?
[00:42] <dogmatic69> i read that now
[00:43] <dogmatic69> dont wanna log out :(
[00:43] <nucc1> that happens to me too :p
[00:52] <dogmatic69> tx
[00:52] <dogmatic69> seems to work like that :)
[00:52] <dogmatic69> never mind... just died again
[00:59] <nucc1> dogmatic69, just pull out the memory card. MTP cameras are a bit of a bother to use in Linux.
[00:59] <dogmatic69> got no reader, will have to get one
[01:00] <nucc1> dogmatic69, i'm not sure, but some cameras have a setting where you can switch between MTP and Mass Storage mode
[01:02] <dogmatic69> nucc1: does not look like an option here
[01:02] <dogmatic69> will get a reader i think
[01:02] <nucc1> yea, good idea. they're not so expensive. can get some for 3 quid on amazon.
[01:05] <dogmatic69> ye
[01:05] <dogmatic69> http://i.min.us/im93yy.png
[01:05] <dogmatic69> takes pretty cool pics :)
[01:05] <nucc1> it makes pngs ? :)
[01:05] <dogmatic69> nope, NEF
[01:06] <dogmatic69> gimp makes pngs
[01:06] <nucc1> lol. why did you convert it?
[01:06] <nucc1> you use the gimp for resizing?
[01:06] <dogmatic69> chrome cant show nef files
[01:07] <nucc1> hmmm. don't think i've heard of NEF files before...
[01:07] <nucc1> i was going to recommend GThumb, but i don't know about it's support
[01:07] <dogmatic69> DSLR raw stuff
[01:07] <dogmatic69> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/
[01:08] <dogmatic69> nef -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format
[01:08] <nucc1> yea, i've heard about raw, just didn't know they also went by "NEF"
[01:08] <nucc1> i wouldn't know anyway, my camera is my phone
[01:09] <dogmatic69> mine was till today :)
[01:10] <dogmatic69> nef is nikon specific
[01:10] <dogmatic69> every camera has its own version of raw
[01:10] <dogmatic69> s/camera/manufacturer
[01:10] <nucc1> i used to think that a JPEG at 100% quality meant no compression.
[01:10] <nucc1> seems i was wrong.
[01:11] <nucc1> btw, is that a duck or a goose? :p
[01:11] <nucc1> anyway, nice picture.
[01:20] <dutchie> nucc1: definitely a duck
[01:20] <dutchie> :P
[01:21] <nucc1> lol. geese have longer necks
[01:21] <nucc1> according to the pictures on wikipedia
[01:23] <nucc1> "quacks do not echo". he he.
[02:50] <dwatkins> Is that not an urban myth?
[02:51] <dwatkins> myth busted, apparently
[03:26] <KINGOFSWORDS> hello ppl
[03:26] <KINGOFSWORDS> is swiftfox worth getting
[05:14] <phonex01> when i login i have this error msg "could not update ICEauthority file" ????
[05:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2011 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/11/community-leadership-summit-2011/
[06:15] <shauno> morning
[07:15] <awilkins> Bah, back to work for a week of fighting brushfires
[07:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Hindsight Is Almost 20/20 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/11/hindsight-is-almost-2020/
[07:42] <daubers> Morning
[07:56] <MooDoo> hello
[08:00] <popey> morning
[08:01] <MooDoo> morning popey are you well?
[08:01] <popey> yup
[08:01] <MooDoo> good good
[08:08] <AlanBell> morning
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[08:16] <MooDoo> finally got my planet feed link off my to do list
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[08:32] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: morning :)
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh shiny. A day made of Glass... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38
[08:53] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: how quick would you break something though :)
[08:55] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: thats pretty
[08:56] <AlanBell> in a world made of glass who needs windows?
[08:56] <AlanBell> um
[08:56] <MooDoo> perhaps when my son is older :D
[08:57] <popey> disappointed the glass bowl the popcorn came in didnt do something amazing
[08:57] <popey> MUST TRY HARDER CORNING!
[08:58] <dwatkins> morning folks
[09:01] <MooDoo> dwatkins: morning :D
[09:01] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: I look forward to the day I can have windows like that, just like in Blade Runner :D
[09:01] <MooDoo> dwatkins: you'd have to have vengelis playing in the background ;)
[09:01] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I think I could handle that
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some neat ideas/concepts in there. I like the kitchen myself ;-)
[09:02] <dwatkins> I think I'd prefer a gas hob, though.
[09:02] <MooDoo> +1
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> FAHYAR!
[09:02] <dwatkins> I like the idea of a phone which lets you transfer the call to the worktop, also.
[09:07] <ali1234> is ubuntuforums.org hosted by canonical?
[09:09] <dwatkins> the domain name appears to belong to them, ali1234
[09:09] <MooDoo> ali1234: it's nameservers are canonicals
[09:10]  * dwatkins wonders if 'Circular Road' is a nod at Google's 'Infinite Loop' 
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Apple's infinite loop
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: and isn't Circular the only road on IoM? :P
[09:13] <dwatkins> haha
[09:13] <popey> ali1234: yes, canonical host the boxes behind ubuntuforums.org
[09:13] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: whats IoM?
[09:13] <dwatkins> nah, plenty of roads on the Isle of Man
[09:13] <ali1234> oh
[09:13] <popey> Isle Of Man
[09:14] <MooDoo> don't you watch the bike TT :)
[09:15] <ali1234> i'm aware of it
[09:15] <ali1234> i just never saw it abbreviated like that before
[09:16] <bigcalm> Good morning earthlings :)
[09:18] <daubers> bigcalm: You alienist you
[09:31]  * MooDoo upgraded to natty last night :D
[09:31]  * kazade kazade did a couple of nights ago
[09:31] <dwatkins> No deleted /boot directory then, MooDoo?
[09:31] <kazade> wtf?
[09:31] <MooDoo> dwatkins: huh?
[09:31] <kazade> did I just write "kazade" lol
[09:32] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I heared on the general offtopic channel of a few people whose /boot got deleted when they upated recently
[09:32] <MooDoo> dwatkins: ooo didn't notice, thought all went swimmingly to be honest, some weird flash playback issue but nothing major
[09:33] <MooDoo> and it works wonderful on my tv via hdmi :)
[09:34] <dwatkins> yay
[09:34] <dwatkins> I plan on connecting up my laptop via hdml soon so I can use my TV as a monitor - my other half just got a 24" Apple cinema display, so I decided it's time I used the TV to play games on ;)
[09:34] <MooDoo> dwatkins: had to figure out how to change audio so it played through the tv :)
[09:35] <dwatkins> MooDoo: sounds like it went well then
[09:36] <MooDoo> dwatkins: yeah kinda, need to figure out how to make it so that it's the main monitor and not just an extension of the laptop
[09:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: it's so i can use the tv to show my son computers :)
[09:37] <dwatkins> excellent, MooDoo
[09:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: i'm hoping these niggles are just because it's natty and not a release version
[09:38] <dwatkins> Yeah, quite likely, MooDoo
[09:52] <Snomi> Is there any way to view/edit my ubuntu partitions from windows?
[09:53] <MooDoo> Snomi: would fdisk do it?
[09:54] <Snomi> I meant just to view the files
[09:54] <MooDoo> Snomi: explore2fs
[09:54] <MooDoo> snomi http://www.supriyadisw.net/2006/09/how-to-read-ubuntu-partition-on-windows  try this, i've not used it though
[09:55] <Snomi> right ok thanks, I'll see how it goes
[09:58] <Snomi> works ok
[09:58] <MooDoo> Snomi: fab
[09:58] <Snomi> uh oh
[09:58] <Snomi> just crashed
[09:58] <MooDoo> bummer
[10:00] <Snomi> yeah
[10:00] <Snomi> cant get at the big files
[10:00] <Snomi> weird
[10:01] <MooDoo> Snomi: i'm sure there are other apps, i just did a quick search on google
[10:01] <Snomi> yeah sure
[10:16] <shauno> http://doctormo.org/2011/04/11/narwhal-classic-is-fixed/    this is some good news this morning :)
[10:22] <AlanBell> so in classic mode can you run regular compiz?
[10:28] <shauno> now that I haven't tried
[10:29] <JamesTait> Greetings, all!
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Classic mode is compiz. Classic mode (no effects) is metacity
[10:58] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:00] <MooDoo> hello s-fox
[11:00] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo :)
[11:01] <MooDoo> s-fox: how are you on this most fine day?
[11:02] <HazRPG> \o
[11:02] <s-fox> I am okay thank you, stomping around ubuntu forums dealing with reports.   How are you?
[11:02] <MooDoo> s-fox: ok, upgraded to natty last night, seeing how that plays out, taking it to camera club on thursday night to show them FOSS
[11:02] <s-fox> Good luck!
[11:03] <MooDoo> s-fox: ta :D
[11:03] <MooDoo> s-fox: carry on stomping ;)
[11:06] <davmor2> morning all
[11:07] <s-fox> Hello davmor2
[11:07] <s-fox> How're you?
[11:08] <davmor2> s-fox: Good thanks you?
[11:08] <s-fox> I am doing magnificently well thank you,  I am delighted to hear you are good.
[11:08] <s-fox> :)
[11:09] <davmor2> s-fox: Man you polite you know this is Ubuntu-uk right :D
[11:10] <s-fox> My english isn't brilliant, but I manage.
[11:10] <s-fox> :)
[11:11] <JGJones> It's very good. There's English folks with worse "English" around :-)
[11:11] <davmor2> Oi czajkowski how's you back kidda any better or worse than before?
[11:12] <s-fox> JGJones,  English is my first language,  I just do not rate it that well. Laugh out loud.
[11:13] <MooDoo> i wish people would talk proper like wot i does.
[11:14] <JGJones> s-fox, English is my second language, but I used it first from birth.
[11:14] <s-fox> yeah, learn to speak proper
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: R yam awlrite r kid?
[11:14] <s-fox> JGJones,  Oh yes?  May I enquire what is your first language?
[11:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye lad crackin.
[11:15] <JGJones> s-fox, BSL which I first used at 11 yrs old.
[11:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: i ope r czajkowski lass is alreet, she ben in pain latly ;)
[11:15] <s-fox> Oh yes, I remember you mentioned that before!
[11:15]  * BigRedS buys MooDoo a new keyboard :)
[11:16] <HazRPG> MooDoo: hmm, that seems very northern lol
[11:16] <JGJones> MooDoo, the way you're talking is just reminding me of Feersum Enjinn (Iain M Banks book)
[11:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: A lorra lorra pain and wim ai ad nutin to do wid it
[11:16] <MooDoo> HazRPG:used to live in yorkshire now in midlands :)
[11:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're missing init from the end of your sentences
[11:16] <HazRPG> MooDoo: ah
[11:16] <bigcalm> JGJones: ug, some of the chapters in that book were painful to read
[11:17] <JGJones> bigcalm, yup...took me forever to read that book.
[11:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: I ai from dow sowff init would be more appropriate though that or upstart :D
[11:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: by jove i actually understand what your saying old bean ;)
[11:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: We had some french exchange students we were showing around and they would talk to each other in french laugh and then tell us something in English that wasn't funny,  So me and my mate started talking black country to each other and laughing and telling them something not funny in return they seemed to get the message
[11:27] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol awesome
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: of course this was after the 3rd degree on what language we were speaking :)
[11:27] <issyl0> Morning, just.
[11:27] <AlanBell> I was working in a factory in France doing a load of presentations to the staff, they kept interrupting me with side conversations in french
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: They refused to believe it was English :D
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> hah, speaking about French and issyl0 appears :)
[11:27] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol
[11:27] <issyl0> Mmmm, French.
[11:27] <AlanBell> I waited each time for them to finish and then carried on
[11:27] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Strange, eh?
[11:27] <issyl0> I must have a radar.
[11:28] <Tommeh> 'French' on highlight
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: don't all women? :)
[11:28] <issyl0> Tommeh: No, I'm not that bad.
[11:28] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Hahaha!
[11:28] <issyl0> Careful what you say now!
[11:28] <AlanBell> I just loved the expressions on their faces when we went to a restaurant in the evening and I translated the menu for the other english people and ordered in French
[11:28] <issyl0> AlanBell: \o/
[11:28] <davmor2> issyl0: no just, there a good 24hours before morning ends it's the Interweb where it's always morning
[11:29] <s-fox> Hey issyl0 .  it has been a while. Keeping well? :)
[11:29] <issyl0> davmor2: Hmmm, with time zones etc, yeah, I suppose so.
[11:29] <issyl0> s-fox: Very well thanks - you?
[11:29] <s-fox> AlanBell,  Wonderful :D
[11:29] <Tommeh> AlanBell: every dog has his day :0
[11:29] <Tommeh> * :)
[11:29] <MooDoo> any one from whitby aread here?
[11:29] <MooDoo> s/area
[11:29] <HazRPG> Man, I can't wait for DL2011 :D
[11:30] <s-fox> issyl0,  Yes,  I am doing a lot better these days thank you :)
[11:30] <issyl0> s-fox: Good.
[11:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: You've been watching too much heartbeat haven't you ;)
[11:33] <s-fox> whitby... whitby bay?
[11:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: no i'm going on holiday up north in July, just wondered if anyone in the Whiby area fancied a beer if the misses lets me ;)
[11:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: Still you've watched too much heartbeat :P
[11:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: not in about 10 years ;)
[11:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: you mean it's stuck with you that long old chap?
[11:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: 39 on friday :S
[11:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: You and popey are both older than me it must just be that I feel older :D
[11:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: and look it ;)
[11:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: Hard life :D
[11:45] <MooDoo> davmor2:  ;)
[11:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: i just feel old ;) kids two and a half and already running rings around me ;)
[11:49] <s-fox> MooDoo,  http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3519786/Boy-13-expelled-for-moustache.html
[11:49] <s-fox>  /facepalm
[11:50] <MooDoo> s-fox: well that's a joke isn't it
[11:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: But that's because you are old :P  At least till the 9th of August then of course 39 will become a suitably apt age for a person to be.
[11:50] <MooDoo> lol
[11:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: ah not that long for you then :)
[11:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: No
[11:51]  * MooDoo points and laughs
[11:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeah but I get to point and laugh First and for longer Muhahahahahahahahahahahaha
[11:54] <MooDoo> davmor2: dagnamit :)
[11:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: you owe me a beer for being older sooner ;)
[11:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: That's fine but I can guarantee my pint of coke will be more expensive than your beer :P
[11:57] <issyl0> davmor2: Mmm.  Non-alcoholic drinks are expensive in pubs/places where you're "supposed" to consume alcohol.  :-(
[11:58] <davmor2> issyl0: This is the truth,  1.80 for a pint of larger 2.40 for a pint of pepsi
[11:58] <issyl0> davmor2: Horrible.
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> Who drinks an entire pint of pepsi?
[11:59] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: i do!
[11:59] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: a pint isn't that much pepsi.
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> it's more than half a litre!
[11:59] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: they sell it by the pint in shops in the US
[12:00] <issyl0> Well why doesn't a pint of beer seem as obseen?
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: everything is bigger in the US
[12:00] <issyl0> Er.
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: More beer = more intoxicated :)
[12:00] <issyl0> s/obseen/obscene/
[12:00] <HazRPG> more coke/pepsi = more caffinated :D
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: caffeine--
[12:01] <issyl0> Don't know what came over me then with that atrocious spelling!
[12:01] <HazRPG> I've had better nights out full of sugar and caffeine, then I have wasted
[12:02] <HazRPG> Question, what do I do when I have two byobu windows embedded into each other >_<
[12:03]  * kazade just booted Ubuntu 5.04 in a VM :)
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: use the escape combination twice
[12:03] <MooDoo> HazRPG: do the dance of seperation :)
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Ctrl+A in normal screen -> Ctrl+A A = screen-in-screen
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Ctrl+A A A = screen in screen in screen, etc
[12:03] <bigcalm> Oh mu
[12:03] <bigcalm> my
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> Same with ssh
 ~ . = kill ssh,
 ~~ . = kill ssh in ssh
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[12:05] <davmor2> kazade: you should of started with 4.10
[12:05] <kazade> Heh, well 5.04 was the first one I used ;)
[12:05] <kazade> reminiscing :D
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I tried that last year.. we've come a long way
[12:06] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: thats not working :(
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: what's the "escape sequence" in byobu? did they change it from Ctrl+A?
[12:06] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: no, it should be Ctrl+A
[12:06] <shauno> a bit late, but not everything's bigger in the US ;)  their pint is 16oz
[12:06] <HazRPG> checked the help
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Ctrl+A A D
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that detaches the "inner" screen
[12:07] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: in byobu I think it's something like F5
[12:07] <HazRPG> F5 = reload
[12:07] <davmor2> just hit the menu button it'll tell you
[12:08] <shauno> ctrl+r is reload.  I wish things would stop using F5 :(
[12:08] <davmor2> HazRPG: F6 I was close
[12:09] <HazRPG> well hitting that just closes the byobu of my machine
[12:09] <davmor2> shauno: you can change the defaults in byobu
[12:09] <HazRPG> but I can't see to control the byobu of my ssh inside that :S
[12:12] <HazRPG> hmm this is odd
[12:13] <shauno> watch inception whilst high.  nested screens will start to make sense :)
[12:16] <HazRPG> fixed i think
[12:17] <HazRPG> yup yup, fixed :D
[12:17] <HazRPG> i set my byobu to have "no keybinds"
[12:18] <HazRPG> then closed the remote byobu with F6, then manually changed the byobu config back to f-keys
[12:18]  * HazRPG notes to self: byobu in byobu is not good!
[12:18] <kvarley> I'm running a virtual box install of ubuntu. How can I make a system tarball?
[12:22] <BigRedS> HazRPG: I thought screen had a (reasonably) elegant way of deling with that, though I don't remember what it is; does byobu somehow do away with it?
[12:26] <HazRPG> BigRedS: I'm not sure, i think it's more because i ssh'ed to my tower from my laptop, loaded up byobu to see usual stats at the bottom, then ssh'd to my vps to load up irssi... then closed with F6, came back to my machine to find that the terminal i had the ssh to my vps open had now got two byobu's!
[12:26] <HazRPG> so i think i confused it >_< lol
[12:27] <shauno> more likely it confused you.  it all makes perfect sense to the software :)
[12:27] <HazRPG> well yeah :P
[12:28] <HazRPG> right, shall I make a video on how to do irssi window splits, or shall I just write about it...
[12:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] Login Screen Mockups - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/login-screen-mockups/
[12:32] <shauno> what a miserable day.  got a snarky email asking if there was a good reason I have several hundred open tickets and everyone else has 1 or 2 :/
[12:32] <balor> czajkowski: Is irc.linux.ie down?
[12:32] <ali1234> "because u suck"
[12:32] <shauno> because I don't look at them.  they're evil.
[12:32] <MooDoo> shauno: work harder ;)
[12:33] <shauno> MooDoo: oh I work.  apparently I'm meant to clean up after myself too
[12:33] <ali1234> open more tickets
[12:34] <HazRPG> shauno: ticket: Everyone else has less tickets than me, get it fixed batman!
[12:35] <shauno> actually.  I wonder if they'd do that.  if I asked them to just set all my records to closed/cancelled/customer cancelled
[12:37] <HazRPG> shauno: you could just to an rm -rf shauno-tickets
[12:38] <shauno> heh.  if only it was that easy
[12:39] <shauno> oracle/siebel is hideous
[12:39] <HazRPG> shauno: i know :( i used it at uni :/
[12:39] <shauno> and knowing us, we're probably standardised on something 5 years old
[12:40] <shauno> I mean, we're still on Notes 6.5 (circa 2004)
[12:40] <HazRPG> wow, i've seeded wiki for a ratio of 1.72
[12:40] <HazRPG> thats a lot of data!
[12:40] <shauno> anyhow.  enough grumping.  moar spending the next 3 hours ticking boxes!
[12:41] <HazRPG> shauno: guessing no "select all" boxes?
[12:55]  * davmor2 happily bobbing away to absolute 80's in it's full ogg glory
[12:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: put that axel f ogg down
[12:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: no Axel f yet currently on Sanctify yourself by simple minds
[12:59] <MooDoo> cool :)
[13:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Dexy now with Gino
[13:11] <HazRPG> everyone smile for the camera!
[13:11] <HazRPG> Taking a quick screen-cap of irssi.
[13:11] <dogmatic69> :)
[13:11] <davmor2> :P
[13:12] <Martiini> anyone use Twitter ??
[13:13] <davmor2> Martiini: yes thanks
[13:16] <Martiini> davmor2:  may I add you to my twitter account?
[13:18] <HazRPG> guessing everyone else is shy for the camera then :P
[13:18] <HazRPG> also, yeah I use twitter too
[13:19] <ali1234> hmm every time i like a video on youtube it goes on my twitter twice
[13:19] <HazRPG> heh, last.fm knows me too well :)
[13:20] <ali1234> maybe its because i turned on "post everything i do" on every stupid social site i signed up for
[13:20] <HazRPG> ali1234: erm, depends... if you favourite it and also "like" it too, it'll post it twice
[13:20] <ali1234> i don't favourite on youtube, i don't even know how since they redesigned it
[13:20] <HazRPG> i noticed that on facebook, so I set it to only send stuff that I "like" or "upload"
[13:21] <ali1234> yeah it all goes to facebook too
[13:21] <ali1234> i think it's facebook forwarding it on to twitter
[13:21] <ali1234> or maybe it's buzz
[13:21] <shauno> I don't link accounts like that.  it's evil :/
[13:21] <ali1234> everything goes there as well
[13:21] <HazRPG> shauno: why not?
[13:21] <ali1234> i turned it all on cos i hate all those sites and i'm trying to fill them with crap
[13:22] <ali1234> i never post anything on any of them
[13:22] <hamitron> :)
[13:22] <shauno> HazRPG: there's enough drivel on twitter already :)
[13:22] <hamitron> hate is a strong word ;)
[13:22] <ali1234> so my twitter is just a list of stupid funny videos and other nonsense like that
[13:22] <HazRPG> ali1234: my facebook is kinda like that
[13:24] <Martiini> its not possible to contact someone on twitter .. unless they follow you, correct?
[13:25] <ali1234> i thin kyou just write @ followed by their name and they see it
[13:25] <hamitron> I was given a note to tweet someone once, so I assume it is possible Martiini
[13:25] <Martiini> ali1234: @ - means "reply" ???
[13:26] <ali1234> it just means @
[13:26] <ali1234> like "i'm tweeting @ u lol"
[13:26] <ali1234> there's no guarantee anyone will see it
[13:26] <ali1234> i don't think anyone actually *reads* twitter
[13:27] <Martiini> so .. @"twitter-name" makes it visible or not ?? nobody will actually see my messages in any case .. or do they ?
[13:27] <hamitron> I know a few who follow everything said on it :/
[13:27] <Martiini> I read everything on Twitter yesterday
[13:27] <Martiini> the whole thing
[13:27] <ali1234> i don't understand how you are supposed to follow a conversation between two people
[13:28] <ali1234> all i ever see is people saying "@jrandomguy yeah lol"
[13:28] <Martiini> followers see retweets
[13:28] <gord> ali1234, you use a client that allows you to see the conversation
[13:28] <ali1234> such as what?
[13:28] <hamitron> @ ali1234: I 'ave an itch
[13:28] <gord> twidroid on my phone does it, as does the web version
[13:29] <hamitron> gord, kinda like something that parses logs?
[13:29] <Martiini> so .. is it possible to contact someone who is not following you on twitter
[13:29] <ali1234> how do i use a twitter client when someone gives me a http url to a random tweet?
[13:30] <Martiini> browser ?
[13:30] <gord> how do you follow any conversation when someone only gives you one sentence spoken by one side of the conversation?
[13:30] <ali1234> you can't
[13:30] <ali1234> which is the whole problem
[13:30] <Martiini> theyre hidden
[13:30] <Martiini> its a community
[13:30] <gord> the problem is that people are giving you random http urls
[13:31] <Martiini> so .. how do I contact someone in a twitter cluster or community ??
[13:31] <ali1234> stalk them until you find out their email address, then email them
[13:32] <hamitron> people read their emails? ;)
[13:32] <daubers> ali1234: Always with the stalking!
[13:33] <Martiini> f*ck .. there is no way getting to them .. unless I have a phonenumber
[13:33] <Martiini> neither email, twitter ..
[13:33] <ali1234> hamitron: i do
[13:33] <hamitron> ali1234: I fel soooo ashamed ;)
[13:33] <hamitron> feel*
[13:38] <hamitron> erm
[13:38] <hamitron> is gnome 3 easy to use?
[13:39] <hamitron> looks totally alien to me
[13:40] <dutchie> it is supposedly Made Of Easy
[13:41] <davmor2> Martiini: Feel free davmor2 shockingly :)
[13:42] <Martiini> what
[13:42] <Martiini> what do you mean davmor2 shockingly
[13:43] <Martiini> blehh
[13:43] <Martiini> no idea what you people talk about
[13:43] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I agree that we have come a long way, although I still think that the desktop background ground to a halt at hardy heron
[13:44] <davmor2> Martiini: I was at lunch before that you asked if you could add your twitter account.
[13:45] <hamitron> davmor2's twit account is "davmor2"!!!! :s
[13:45] <davmor2> I'm letting you know what my twitter account details were
[13:45] <Martiini> so that was a tweet there ?
[13:45] <Martiini> davmor2 , is it ok to add you to my twitter account .. temporarily ?
[13:46] <Martiini> DAve Morley ?
[13:46] <davmor2> Martiini: That's me
[13:47] <Martiini> Im following You on twitter now
[13:49] <Martiini> davmor2: so .. how would I ask you on twitter ..  if Jimmy Page or Robert Plant live in Wolverhampton
[13:50] <HazRPG> ali1234: clearly you don't know how to use twitter, if your on the webpage, click on the /tweet/ that says for example "yeah lol" and it'll show you what the previous guy said, and what was said after and you can follow it through
[13:52] <davmor2> Martiini: all request that are directed start @<username> so it would be @davmor2 hello world test as an example
[13:53] <HazRPG> ali1234: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/twitter.png
[13:53] <Martiini> davmor2: I must answer a tweet though?
[13:54] <ali1234> HazRPG: i see
[13:54] <shauno> you don't get that interface if you follow a direct link
[13:55] <HazRPG> shauno: how do you even send a direct link :S
[13:55] <hamitron> does tweetering actually do anything useful? :/
[13:56] <HazRPG> hamitron: can be good for getting info an responses fast
[13:56] <Martiini> willy1977: bacame younger by a year ?
[13:56] <shauno> HazRPG: the least intuitive UI either.  click on timestamps :)
[13:56] <shauno> eg, to pick on poppy again, http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/57379851102990336
[13:57] <shauno> if you click the '3 hours ago' on the top message, you'll get take to that one.  if it's a rambling convo, you can follow it all the way back like that.  but only backwards.
[13:57] <ali1234> shauno: when i click that i get the context oddly enough
[13:57] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, but for a direct link like that, it does show previous convos... or it does here
[13:57] <ali1234> i guess they must be working on it
[13:58] <davmor2> Martiini: you should see a tweet from me now that mentions you so it should flag you to say you have been mentioned
[13:59] <Martiini> davmor2: this getting complicated ..
[13:59] <shauno> you do, but you only see 'the previous message'.  you can't get a full convo like that :/
[14:00] <hamitron> is there not software to grab all previous messages?
[14:00] <davmor2> Martiini: you can now choose to reply and send something back
[14:00] <shauno> hamitron: seems most clients do it.  and most people who are barely interested (if at all) in twitter don't use clients :)
[14:01] <Martiini> davmor2: so .. Im unable to tweet You unless you follow me .. but .. I can reply to your "tweets"
[14:02] <Martiini> davmor2: .. and .. replied tweets become visible to everyone ??
[14:02] <Martiini> correct ?
[14:03] <davmor2> Martiini: no!  I can't see your tweets unless I follow you.  You can put @whoever in any tweet.  If you reply to my tweet it is visible however private messages aren't
[14:05] <shauno> can't resize it from my phone, but this is how convo appear in my client.  makes a bit more sense than the webpage :)  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/Photo%20Apr%2011%2C%2014%2003%2021.jpg
[14:05] <shauno> if the site could do that with a convo, it'd make a lot more sense
[14:10] <dwatkins> like that autocorrect website?
[14:11] <dwatkins> all tweets are visible to everyone apart from Direct Messages, Martiini - i.e. be careful what you say, and what information you give out on twitter.
[14:11] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, yeah I think my phone's twitter does similar!
[14:12] <Martiini> dwatkins: so .. tweets mentioning strangers whom I follow .., will become public to ANYONE who reads that public twitter page ???
[14:12] <AlanBell> no
[14:13] <Martiini> and .. anything I post into twitter .. becomes public ?? .. lets say my banking details .. phonenumbers .. etc
[14:13] <AlanBell> dwatkins: you can set your tweets to not be public
[14:13] <shauno> suffice to say, you don't tweet your bank details :)
[14:13] <AlanBell> I wouldn't advise tweeting your bank details
[14:14] <HazRPG> Martiini: yeah, basically if you do @Someone, <some text here>... it will show up to ANYONE... but if you do a direct message (click messaging at the top, where it says "Home, Profile, Messages, Who To Follow" section... then it will send it to ONLY the person you put down
[14:14] <hamitron> just typing bank details can be dodgy :/
[14:14] <shauno> (doesn't turn out to be a huge problem, UK banks avoid twitter like the plague because it conflicts with some arcane laws)
[14:14] <BigRedS> Well, you'd not tweet anything you wouldn't put on any other website, really
[14:14] <davmor2> Martiini: You should never give out those details on twitter fullstop.  If you need to give your number to a friend then direct message them,  it's more like an sms text on a phone then ie point to point rather than general
[14:15] <davmor2> but neve rbank details
[14:16] <Martiini> ok .. Yea, Im aware .. not posting banking details ..e tc
[14:16] <shauno> my best advice would be to follow a few people you know, and just follow along.  you'll pick up conventions by example pretty quickly
[14:16] <Martiini> so .. can I contact random people I find on twitter ??
[14:17] <HazRPG> Martiini: if you really wanted to yeah
[14:17] <Martiini> none of my contacts are on twitter ..
[14:17] <Martiini> all twitter accounts .. are either american .. companies, advertisers ..
[14:17] <Martiini> Im just surfing twitter here
[14:18] <davmor2> Martiini: Follow popey you'll soon pick up what to do :)
[14:18] <hamitron> talk a load of rubbish? ;)
[14:19] <AlanBell> Martiini: do you have a twitter account yet?
[14:19] <Martiini> AlanBell:  Ido
[14:19] <davmor2> AlanBell: he does
[14:20] <Martiini> and Im following .. some random strangers .. I found on internet
[14:21] <Martiini> there is actually a reason .. why ..
[14:21] <Martiini> I figured .. I can learn some american social english .. by stalking people on twitter
[14:22] <Martiini> since I live in northern europe .. and have no contact with americans
[14:22] <Martiini> but its all bullshit .. twitter
[14:23] <Martiini> davmor2: myrtti a finnish girl who work for Ubuntu, right ?
[14:24] <davmor2> Martiini: that's cause you need to follow people rather than randoms.  Otherwise you'll just get spam effectively.
[14:24] <davmor2> Martiini: Myrtti is on this channel you can ask her yourself :)
[14:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: Aha touchy
[14:25] <Martiini> davmor2: so .. what do I text about on twitter now .. kinda .. have nothing to text about
[14:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: ?
[14:25] <Martiini> davmor2: I have been to Wolverhampton , btw
[14:26] <AlanBell> having nothing to say never stopped anyone else using twitter
[14:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's it my day just goes down hill from here the pinnacle has been reached unless the next 80's song is betterer still :D
[14:26] <MooDoo> davmor2: paul hardcastle nnnnnnnnnnnn nineteen
[14:26] <Martiini> davmor2: .. so .. my tweets so up only on YOUR wall .. since you are following me ??
[14:27] <Martiini> *show up*
[14:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm still enjoying AHA currently
[14:27] <MooDoo> davmor2: take on me?
[14:27] <davmor2> Martiini: Yeap but I don't get flagged about it as such unless you use mention
[14:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: Touchy
[14:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: ah i get you, you weren't called me touchy .... pmsl :)
[14:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: take on me would just complete the repertoire
[14:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: you muppet
[14:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah!
[14:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: Do keep up old chap :P
[14:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm nearly 39 the brain cells are fading
[14:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: no that the alcohol abuse it's received over the years
[14:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh yeah.......
[14:31] <MooDoo> quite fancy a snooze now to be honest :)
[14:31] <daubers> 30%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blimey Agencies are cheeky gets
[14:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: afternoon nap time :)
[14:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: i wish lol
[14:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: It got better specials Ghost Town
[14:35] <MooDoo> oooooo
[14:38] <ali1234> hmmmm
[14:39] <dwatkins> daubers: what kind of agency?
[14:41] <Azelphur> hmm, I bought a microsd card that went faulty off amazon within it's warranty period, the company said send it back, I sent it back, it's been over a month now, and 10 days since I sent them a message what's going on
[14:41] <Azelphur> how can I escalate this?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> "the company" being Amazon or the manufacturer?
[14:42] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: a retailer, WS_Inspire
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> but you bought it off amazon?
[14:42] <Azelphur> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&seller=A388NQR4J28IX
[14:42] <Azelphur> yes
[14:42] <czajkowski> balor: cant get onto irc.linux.ie so I assume so
[14:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: dont ask
[14:42] <czajkowski> MooDoo: same goes for you
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I don't trust non-amazon sellers on Amazon for that reason
[14:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: Better still Jam going underground ah happy days
[14:42] <ali1234> ring them up
[14:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: ooooo :)
[14:43] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: the card has 1 year manufacturer warranty and I'm supposed to communicate with the reseller for that to be forfilled
[14:43] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, that's my next step
[14:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: ah come on you know I'm gonna ask now what's happen kiddo?
[14:43] <daubers> dwatkins: recruitment agency
[14:44] <ali1234> Azelphur: personally i never buy stuff from people who say things like "restocking charge of 5%"
[14:44] <ali1234> or "We will not replace the item without the manufacturers support."
[14:44] <ali1234> because that's BS
[14:44] <czajkowski> I do not understand the UK health system
[14:44] <Azelphur> :p
[14:44] <dwatkins> daubers: ouch
[14:44] <MooDoo> czajkowski: what's happened now?
[14:44] <czajkowski> just spent 3 hours in A&E where they won't refer me to A) a specalist or B) have an xray done
[14:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: What?
[14:44] <czajkowski> no I need to go back to GP to get referred to A) specalist and B) x-ray at a hospital
[14:45] <MooDoo> czajkowski: welcome to our sucky world :(
[14:45] <daubers> czajkowski: Unless it's life threatening A&E won't. You need your GP to sign that off
[14:45] <daubers> czajkowski: Unless you get private medical, then you pay and get what you want more or less
[14:45] <czajkowski> mind boggling stupid
[14:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: welcome to the nhs
[14:45] <willy_1977> and that is supposed to save money?
[14:46] <daubers> czajkowski: It makes a small kind of sense. A&E need those resources free for people who are in a life threatening situation
[14:46] <davmor2> willy1977: it's saves the hospital huge amounts
[14:46] <willy_1977> davmor2: quite.
[14:47] <willy_1977> at least we have an NHS...yes it needs some work but...it  could be similar to other countries where you're just left out there if you have no insurance...
[14:47] <czajkowski> but they are just going to have to refer me back to the hospital to have a scan
[14:47] <daubers> czajkowski: Having said that, the wifes cousin was rushed into Hospital friday morning with a slipped disc, was x-rayed and what not within a couple of hours, had the disk removed and an artificial one put in within 24 hours and is probably going to be discharged tomorrow or wednesday
[14:47] <czajkowski> so two trips
[14:48] <czajkowski> danfish: ping
[14:48] <Azelphur> so speaking of my impending phone call, has anyone got call recording working on android?
[14:49] <ali1234> why are oyu so obsessed with recording phone calls?
[14:49] <dwatkins> Recording phone calls should be easy, surely?
[14:49] <Azelphur> ali1234: because I'm about to call a company that's been ignoring me for the past month via email?
[14:49] <ali1234> if you want something legally binding write them a letter and send it registered
[14:49] <Azelphur> so onces gotta assume hostility
[14:50] <ali1234> recorded phone calls are not worth jack
[14:50] <Martiini> ali1234: on e71 .. start recorder , make phonecall
[14:50] <dwatkins> What kind of company is it, Azelphur?
[14:50] <Azelphur> dwatkins: an amazon retailer
[14:51] <dwatkins> Azelphur: can you complain to Amazon?
[14:52] <Azelphur> dwatkins: that'd be my next port of call after phoning him and recording it :P
[14:53] <dwatkins> Azelphur: I would just forward the e-mails to Amazon, a phonecall may not be the best way.
[14:54] <Azelphur> I guess
[14:54] <Azelphur> dwatkins: a call doesn't hurt, though
[14:55] <dwatkins> Azelphur: it's worth a try, perhaps their e-mail address is broken some how, just be aware that they may try to get you to agree to things in the call which may result in you wishing later on that you had had more time to decide
[14:55] <dwatkins> i.e. "so this is resolved then?" kinda questions
[14:55] <Azelphur> :p
[14:55] <Azelphur> all I want is a partial refund or replacement
[14:55] <Azelphur> anything less than that is a quick and easy no
[14:56] <dwatkins> what about credit with their store?
[14:56] <Azelphur> no
[14:56] <dwatkins> what about they send you something else similar?
[14:56] <Azelphur> if it's of the same size and class that's fine
[14:56] <dwatkins> what about if they insist you send in the item for examination by their testing department?
[14:57] <Azelphur> I already did send them the item, they stole it
[14:57] <davmor2> Azelphur: you can contact amazon and say your having issues contacting their retailer
[14:57] <Azelphur> I mailed them saying it was broken, they said send it in, I sent it in, nothing.
[14:57] <dwatkins> ah I see, did you send it recorded delivery, Azelphur?
[14:58] <Azelphur> no :(
[14:58] <Azelphur> probably should have.
[14:58] <dwatkins> I wouldn't necessarily have done so, especially for a small item
[14:58] <dwatkins> what are we talking about here, something small or large and expensive?
[14:58] <Azelphur> a microsd card, a £60 one
[14:59] <dwatkins> ok, worth persuing, clearly
[14:59] <Azelphur> bought a big fast one for my phone
[14:59] <willy_1977> hummmm proof of posting?
[14:59] <dwatkins> so you sent it in, they havn't replied to your "now what?" e-mails
[14:59] <Azelphur> dwatkins: pretty much yea
[14:59] <Azelphur> and it's been well over a month since I sent it in, and 10 days since now what
[14:59] <hamitron> :/
[15:00] <dwatkins> give them a call to check it's not just an administrative error, but be prepared for them to fob you off and then have to take it to Amazon
[15:00] <willy_1977> :/ just thinking that sometimes the post office give you that receipt thing that may help the case...
[15:00] <Azelphur> dwatkins: indeed
[15:00] <dwatkins> clearly it might just be they have had e-mail problems, but you never know, I give them the benefit of the doubt at first, but there are some gits in this world sadly
[15:01] <Azelphur> of course
[15:04] <hamitron> Azelphur: story with a happy ending... I got my PS1 controller to USB adapter today :)
[15:04] <Azelphur> :D
[15:05] <hamitron> wish i had got the one with 2 ports now
[15:05] <hamitron> my single port device is showing up as 2 controllers
[15:05] <hamitron> :/
[15:09] <seeker> czajkowski: WRT scans, there are probably only a certain number of slots per day, and every emergency one they put through delays the people who have made appointments, so they would be under pressure from other departments to not give people scans on the spot of it isn't an emergency. There is probably also an issue of whose budget the cost of the scan comes out of ( at a guess )
[15:13]  * seeker notices the cps have declined to bring a case against BT wrt Pho
[15:14] <seeker> * form
[15:14] <seeker> *phorm
[15:15] <MooDoo> seeker: yup was in the papers last week
[15:15] <seeker> Just saw it on the BBC
[15:25] <andylockran> anyone got experience with javaxcomm on windows?
[15:25] <andylockran> need to replace it with rxtx
[15:25] <andylockran> and it's not looking like a 5 minute job
[15:26] <popey> afternoon all
[15:26] <MooDoo> hiya popey
[15:26] <directhex> pfft, java
[15:32] <seeker> Lo popey
[15:33] <ali1234> andylockran: sounds pretty easy to me, according to the faq they both use the same api even
[15:34] <daubers> popey: All signed up?
[15:35] <popey> daubers: signed up?
[15:35] <bigcalm> Selling your soul to the Debil
[15:35] <daubers> popey: Oggcampy-ness :) you said you'd announce it once contracts where signed, and then tweeted about announcements today/tomorrow :)
[15:36]  * bigcalm waits for something to be announced (or not) on uupc. It's the only way to be sure
[15:37] <daubers> see 2, assume 1 :)
[15:37] <popey> listen to linux outlaws live tonight
[15:37] <popey> (or us tomorrow)
[15:37] <daubers> heh, was going to save this weeks UUPC for the 3 hour drive to norfolk on Friday
[15:38] <bigcalm> "FYI Iain will be taking technical lead" - words I rarely like to see in an email :|
[15:38] <daubers> It'll be all over the internet tomorrow morning I suppose, so shall wait till then
[15:40] <daubers> _bored_ of compiling stuff now
[15:52] <Azelphur> willy_1977: they had a database fart and lost my address, apparently they are sending my replacement out today! :)
[15:52] <davmor2> Azelphur: that's the story they were really hoping you forgot :D
[15:52] <Azelphur> haha
[15:54] <hamitron> :D
[15:56] <hamitron> Azelphur: what temp does your chipset run at?
[15:56] <Azelphur> which one?
[15:56] <hamitron> the beasty one
[15:56] <hamitron> LGA1166
[15:56] <Azelphur> 1366 :P
[15:57] <hamitron> 1 char!
[15:57] <hamitron> nearly ;)
[15:57] <Azelphur> with all cores at 100% on the stock cooler, I stopped it at 94C
[15:57] <hamitron> the chipset?
[15:57] <Azelphur> oh, I dunno about the chipset
[15:57] <Azelphur> the processor goes to 94
[15:58] <seeker> Have you thought of actually attaching the cooler?
[15:58] <hamitron> I get upset when my cpu hits 35
[15:58] <hamitron> :D
[15:58] <seeker> Azelphur: Which processor? And what overclock?
[15:59] <Azelphur> seeker i7 950, no overclock \o/
[15:59] <seeker> O.o
[15:59] <seeker> Seriously, connect the fan and heatsink
[15:59] <hamitron> hehe
[15:59] <seeker> Or clear out the dust
[15:59] <Azelphur> I probably put a bit too much thermal paste on since it was my first time, so it might be a bit inefficient at dissipating heat
[16:00] <hamitron> re-seat it then :/
[16:00] <Azelphur> I'm just going easy on it for 5 minutes, I've got a huge water cooling kit next to me :P
[16:00] <Azelphur> Then I get to play overclock :)
[16:00] <seeker> I spent £60 on a heatsink/fan and have an i7 920 @ 4Ghz
[16:00] <hamitron> but my original question is, what is a good temp for a chipset?
[16:00] <seeker> Running at ~40c normally
[16:01] <seeker> And up to 60 under heavy load
[16:01] <hamitron> so 46 C is high?
[16:01] <seeker> No idea hamitron
[16:01] <seeker> Those numbers are my CPU figures.
[16:01] <hamitron> my cpu hits 35 C under max load
[16:01] <seeker> Why are you worried about chipset temps?
[16:01] <hamitron> seeker: don't wanna fry it
[16:01] <hamitron> :)
[16:02] <andatche> these hp microservers really are ftw
[16:02] <hamitron> not got any case fans atm
[16:02] <hamitron> just the cpu fan and psu fan
[16:02] <andatche> stuffed with 4 x 1TB disks and 8GB ram they are perfect low-power vm hosts :)
[16:02] <seeker> Why not?
[16:02] <hamitron> it was making too much noise
[16:03] <hamitron> gonna get another sometime
[16:03] <seeker> Buy a low noise 12cm for about £5
[16:03] <hamitron> but it just seems a little weird, the chipset getting hotter than the chipset....
[16:03] <hamitron> chipset hotter than the cpu, I mean
[16:04] <seeker> Quick google suggests under 60c
[16:05] <dwatkins> depends on the component, it's probably best to keep most components under 60 degrees though
[16:06] <hamitron> I will get a fan sure :) just the weather has got hotter faster than i had hoped
[16:09] <hamitron> these figures are scarry, I used to set my comp to shutdown if the cpu hit 40 C
[16:09] <Azelphur> Anyone know any good tricks for fixing loads of background noise on a headset? :p
[16:10] <seeker> I7s can get up to close to 100c without dying instantly
[16:10] <MooDoo> Azelphur: get a new headset [before any one else says it] ;)
[16:10] <Azelphur> When using mumble voice activation, my voice is only slightly louder than the background noise, if I move at all, mumble voice activation goes off
[16:10] <Azelphur> haha :D
[16:10] <Azelphur> I only just bought this one, reviews said it was supposed to be good :(
[16:10] <hamitron> it is all your fans.....
[16:10] <hamitron> helicopter in the background
[16:11] <Azelphur> hamitron: they arn't running atm xD
[16:11] <hamitron> ah :)
[16:11] <hamitron> do you plug them in in the front of your comp?
[16:12] <davmor2> Azelphur: use push to talk
[16:12] <Azelphur> NEVER.
[16:12] <hamitron> *effort of pushing a button*
[16:12] <hamitron> ;/
[16:12] <ali1234> talk louder
[16:13] <dwatkins> don't talk?
[16:13] <Azelphur> hamitron: the entire point of mumble is that your meant to have an alternate method of communication leaving your hands free to play :p
[16:13] <Azelphur> it's near pointless if you have to press more buttons
[16:13] <shauno> that just sounds wrong
[16:13] <Azelphur> (although granted it's less buttons than typing)
[16:13]  * hamitron was thinking "play with what"
[16:13] <hamitron> ;/
[16:13] <Azelphur> lol
[16:13] <dwatkins> I used to use mumble when playing CS and l4d2, it was much easier to have a push-to-talk button than force everyone to hear me cursing zombies and other players as they shot me ;)
[16:14] <hamitron> haha dwatkins
[16:14] <Azelphur> dwatkins: I don't talk to myself :P
[16:14] <shauno> I always use ptt.  I talk to myself.  a lot.  and make my own sound effects for everything.  it's almost embarrassing to describe, let alone hear.
[16:15] <hamitron> you never shout at someone in a game, through your monitor?
[16:15] <BigRedS> hah, yeah. I once had someone play back to me the sounds of me gaming. It was a bit embarrasing
[16:15] <hamitron> :D
[16:15] <Azelphur> hamitron: not unless they are on mumble and I want to shout at them :p
[16:16] <hamitron> I once got knocked off on lap 44 or 45 by a wrecker.... I was sooooooo mad
[16:16] <hamitron> of 45*
[16:16] <shauno> one of TS or vent, I don't remember which, let me use Fn for push to talk.  that was perfect.
[16:16] <gordonjcp> heh
[16:16] <gordonjcp> VOX is dangerous
[16:16] <seeker> andatche: Those look very interesting
[16:17] <dwatkins> shauno: Fn as in the modifier on some keyboards?
[16:17] <shauno> exactly
[16:17] <hamitron> I have a "push to talk" button on my skype keyboard ;)
[16:17] <andatche> seeker: they're excellent
[16:17] <shauno> as long as I'm not using the cursor keys, I can use that for ptt without breaking anything
[16:17] <andatche> especially for £140!!
[16:18] <KIDEL> sorry guys im new to this is there anyway i can find a chat room where people are from my area???
[16:18] <shauno> (or the function keys :)
[16:18] <MooDoo> KIDEL: ubuntu chat room?
[16:18] <Azelphur> KIDEL: yea, it's called facebook
[16:18] <hamitron> Azelphur: :-o not facebook!
[16:18] <KIDEL> fb aint a chatroom
[16:18] <KIDEL> asshole
[16:18] <hamitron> well said o//
[16:19] <SuperMatt> careful now
[16:19] <KIDEL> no need man is there only askin as I say just new to this
[16:19] <shauno> KIDEL: most of irc only breaks down as far as per-country, if at all.  for linux specifically, you'd do worse than to look up your local LUG and see if they have a channel somewhere
[16:19] <Azelphur> KIDEL: IRC is usually reserved for subjects rather than locations, you're lucky to find country specific channels, let alone region :)
[16:19] <KIDEL> but there is always one who has to make hissellf feel good
[16:20] <KIDEL> ok thanks for ur help guys
[16:20] <shauno> most likely he was just trying to be funny :)
[16:20] <KIDEL> yeah I know
[16:20] <seeker> andatche: Very very tempted to try one as a mythtv backend
[16:21] <seeker> Only question is whether the processor has enough grunt for it
[16:21] <andatche> perhaps not, not sure
[16:21] <ali1234> depends what tuner you use
[16:21] <andatche> the cpu is a little bit faster than the dual core atom a330 I have in another box
[16:22] <seeker> Atoms aren't really powerful enough
[16:22] <andatche> build quality is excellent though, very surprised at the price
[16:22] <shauno> I got handed a freebie via c3 800 today :/  not sure what it's gonna be good for yet
[16:22] <andatche> doorstop? ;)
[16:22] <seeker> Apparently they cause playback to stutter when the scheduler runs
[16:22] <hamitron> shauno: I have 3
[16:22] <ali1234> you can run mythbackend on a 700mhz cpu if you using dvb tuners
[16:22] <hamitron> very good for jukebox systems
[16:22] <ali1234> because it takes almost no cpu at all
[16:23] <seeker> ali1234: It's the commflag and scheduling that takes CPU
[16:23] <ali1234> commflag doesn't work anyway
[16:24] <andatche> seeker: they're not too woeful, can do some benchmarks if you're interested?
[16:24] <ali1234> by "doesn't work" i mean it never actually runs
[16:24] <shauno> hamitron: thinking I may be able to find something nerdy for it to do, as it has dual nics
[16:24] <hamitron> shauno: nice :D
[16:25] <shauno> it's a pull from an old rack monitoring unit.  embedded board, ide, 256Mb ram (soldered), two nics, two serial ports, two usb ports - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/Photo%20Apr%2011%2C%2015%2030%2038.jpg
[16:26] <hamitron> shauno: main problem I have had is, mine are the earlier ones that are only i586
[16:26] <shauno> apparently needs a bios flash to get past the vendor's firmware, and a ps2 keyboard.  no idea where on earth you'd find those anymore :/
[16:26] <hamitron> that is actually really cool
[16:26] <hamitron> :)
[16:27] <hamitron> hmm :/
[16:27] <hamitron> all my keyboards are ps2 ;/
[16:28] <seeker> ali1234: Runs fine for me
[16:28] <shauno> (the flash is the easy bit.  no local museums to borrow a ps2 keyboard from tho)
[16:28] <seeker> andatche: I'll just search for benchmarks for the processor
[16:29] <andatche> fair 'nuff
[16:29] <hamitron> shauno: get one of them multi-coloured keyboards off ebay for 10 quid :)
[16:29] <shauno> nooo
[16:29] <hamitron> or a converter for your usb keyboard
[16:29] <shauno> I'm not gonna buy a keyboard, use it for an afternoon and then bin it :/
[16:29] <hamitron> (if it is ps2 compatible)
[16:29] <hamitron> £1.50
[16:30] <shauno> not sure mine would be.  I've one usb, one bluetooth, both apple
[16:30] <hamitron> :/
[16:30] <hamitron> using old junk is so much easier, when everything else you have is old junk :D
[16:31] <hamitron> not sure that 200MHz SIS cpu comp was a good idea though
[16:31] <shauno> I'm half tempted to cart it off down to the local hackerspace next time they have a 'social night'.  they're bound to have something
[16:32] <shauno> only need it long enough to flash the bios, then I can go back to usb
[16:32] <hamitron> I'm sure a ps2 keyboard would be a good investment ;)
[16:33] <hamitron> "just in case"....
[16:33] <shauno> that's the worst reason to buy something :(
[16:33] <andatche> shauno: could do it using a serial console?
[16:33] <shauno> andatche: not until I get the vendor's bios off it :/
[16:34] <hamitron> maybe try a neighbour?
[16:34] <shauno> (I know how far they've got it tied up.  the vendor's my employer)
[16:34] <hamitron> "hey Mac, can i borrow the old rubbish keyboard off your old rubbish comp?"
[16:34] <shauno> they've just got two laptops.  students :)
[16:35] <hamitron> next house along....
[16:35] <hamitron> haha
[16:35] <shauno> I don't know the people 2 hours along :/
[16:35] <hamitron> disappointed in you shauno, I expected you to hoard junk like me.... *sigh*
[16:36] <shauno> I used to.  until I left the UK with all my worldly goods packed within what the airline would call one suitcase
[16:36] <hamitron> I'm only just considering throwing 2 AT keyboards out :/
[16:36] <andatche> heh, $gf keeps making me throw old computing stuff away
[16:36] <hamitron> ah, yeh
[16:36] <BigRedS> I don't think I could cope with that...
[16:36] <andatche> have to fight for anything i want to keep!
[16:36] <shauno> it's actually fantastically liberating.  did the same when I moved to ireland too
[16:37] <shauno> except I wised up and got a laptop this time :)
[16:37] <hamitron> tbh, it would do me good, having to move and dump the stuff I don't really need
[16:37] <shauno> the first time I took a tower pc, padded the inside of the tower with books, and the outside with enough clothes to stop it moving
[16:37] <hamitron> hehe
[16:38] <hamitron> I got 19 towers :/
[16:38] <shauno> then took my harddrives in my carry-on, because I don't trust ramp monkeys.
[16:38] <hamitron> :\
[16:38] <BigRedS> yeah, I can see it being great *after* doing it
[16:39] <hamitron> but how do you decide what to take?
[16:39] <shauno> actually throwing 20 years of trash away isn't a whole lot of fun
[16:39] <hamitron> and wtf you do with stuff you don't take?
[16:39] <shauno> being able to move around without carting 20 years of trash behind you is awesome
[16:40] <shauno> hamitron: CDs/LPs are in a box at my father's house.  my brother stole my clothes.  I sold the books I couldn't fit.
[16:40] <hamitron> any spare comps?
[16:40] <shauno> nothing worth losing sleep over.  one of those ruddy aweful cerleron 300's, and a 486
[16:41] <hamitron> geez, it is scarey, I got 2 motorbikes and 2 drum kits too :(
[16:42] <hamitron> I guess I could throw away all my comps without much of a thought
[16:42] <hamitron> I'd prob buy 2 external hdd and store data on them
[16:42] <directhex> how many of them do you turn on on a monthly basis?
[16:42] <hamitron> comps?
[16:42] <directhex> yes
[16:42] <hamitron> 16 or 17
[16:43] <directhex> ._.
[16:43] <directhex> yet i'm the environment hater with my i7?
[16:43] <hamitron> got a few spares
[16:43] <hamitron> yes
[16:43] <hamitron> as I don't turn them all on at once
[16:43] <hamitron> ;)
[16:43] <hamitron> most of these machines are recycled also
[16:44] <hamitron> they'd of gone to landfill otherwise
[16:44] <shauno> tbh it sounds like they've just gone to a well-curated landfill :p
[16:44] <hamitron> haha
[16:44] <hamitron> cheek ;/
[16:44] <shauno> like an old folk's home for computers
[16:45] <shauno> :)
[16:45] <hamitron> there is no point in buying atom comps, to go in the garage
[16:46] <HazRPG> does this site work for anyone else:
[16:46] <HazRPG> http://www.screenjelly.com/
[16:46] <czajkowski> balor: it's back now
[16:46] <shauno> HazRPG: doesn't work here.  loads, but says missing plugin
[16:47] <HazRPG> shauno: java is the missing plugin
[16:47] <serial_> rtfFF
[16:47] <ali1234> so what's new in banshee 2.0? is it possible to listen to an mp3 without maxing two cores yet?
[16:47] <shauno> ooh, no java seems to work.  I clicked demo, and don't have flash
[16:48] <directhex> filing bugs is hard! moaning on irc is easy!
[16:48] <hamitron> ali1234: that is a feature
[16:48] <hamitron> ;/
[16:48] <ali1234> directhex: i filed the "banshee uses too much CPU" bug on launchpad
[16:48] <hamitron> "heats up the room using the power of banshee"
[16:49] <ali1234> directhex: but continue to use procedure to avoid doing any actual work
[16:49] <directhex> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/banshee-suckth-the-big-one-or-how-to-correctly-file-a-bug-and-stop-worrying/
[16:49] <directhex> ali1234, if it were a general bug, I might have noticed it when, y'know, playing MP3s
[16:49] <ali1234> bug 396268
[16:50] <hamitron> bbl, work calls
[16:51] <directhex> ali1234, you have BPM detection enabled?
[16:51] <ali1234> no
[17:02] <HazRPG> hmm, why does "java -version" report that its "1.6.0_20" when the one in the repo should be "1.6.0_24"
[17:03] <BigRedS> 'cause you're not up to date?
[17:03] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone.
[17:03] <BigRedS> or you've a few javas installed. Java's nice and annoying like that
[17:03] <HazRPG> hmm
[17:04] <BigRedS> as in, OpenJDK vs Sun
[17:04] <serial_> -sun +oracle
[17:04] <BigRedS> I just thought of that, when the package will change names
[17:05] <BigRedS> I think I'm going to start a repo that just has Sun products with the Oracle branding removed...
[17:05] <HazRPG> hmm, well I need OpenJDK for LibreOffice
[17:05] <BigRedS> does libreoffice dislike Sun?
[17:05] <serial_> sun got bought out before libre came out...
[17:05] <HazRPG> but I'm sure I've configured Sun/Oracle java as default
[17:06] <BigRedS> what does 'which java' say?
[17:06] <HazRPG> /usr/bin/java
[17:06] <BigRedS> serial_: yeah, but IO'd still expect libre to be written for Sun Java rather than OpenJDK, if it cared at all?
[17:07] <BigRedS> oh yeah, you need 'ls -l `which java`' 'cause /usr/bin/java's a symlink
[17:07] <BigRedS> and that might point at another symlink, I think.
[17:07] <BigRedS> it's been a while since I entertained anything other than Sun/Oracle Java, so this might be different now...
[17:07] <HazRPG> BigRedS: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2011-03-19 05:02 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
[17:08] <BigRedS> ah yeah, follow the symlink trail to see where it goes
[17:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: the music just gets better Fade to Grey Visage
[17:08] <BigRedS> or do update-java-alternatives to see which javas your system thinks you have
[17:08] <BigRedS> (with -l)
[17:08] <BigRedS> so 'update-java-alternatives -l'
[17:09] <BigRedS> oooh, and I have openjdk on here!
[17:09] <davmor2> or install gnome-alternatives iirc and do it in a nice gui :D
[17:09] <HazRPG> well it thinks I have openjdk and java-6-sun 63
[17:10] <BigRedS> at a guess, whichever java's your current 'alternative' isn't the one for which you were checking the package version
[17:10] <serial_> sorry about that peeps, xchat crashed
[17:11] <BigRedS> oooh, hometime apparently
[17:11] <HazRPG> that's what I find weird though
[17:11] <HazRPG> I've disabled the plugin inside chrome for IceT
[17:12] <HazRPG> IceTea*
[17:12] <HazRPG> so it *should* be using sun-jre
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> sun-jre *shudder*
[17:12] <serial_> sun-java6-plugin :)
[17:12] <HazRPG> sorry yeah :P
[17:13] <BigRedS> what's wrong with sun-jre? as jre's go...
[17:13] <serial_> nothing, plugin mainly for applets and jnlp
[17:13] <serial_> etc
[17:13] <BigRedS> that was more at MartijnVdS's shudder :)
[17:13] <directhex> BigRedS, proprietary evil
[17:14] <serial_> :p
[17:14] <BigRedS> directhex: like mono? :)
[17:15] <BigRedS> java, in general, I view as an evil of sorts. But sun's seems to cause me less work than OpenJDK
[17:15] <directhex> BigRedS, mono has source. sun java doesn't. openjdk is mostly sun java, but not entirely
[17:18] <ali1234> as far as i'm concerned, jana, .net and flash are all in the same category
[17:18] <ali1234> they're all used to make inefficient bloated software, and they all have "mostly but not entirely" free software versions
[17:27] <ali1234> ok i have a trivial testcase demonstrating banshee cpu usage, in fact i made it so bad that it's completely frozen the UI as well
[17:28] <ali1234> looks like a found a memory leak too
[17:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Ubuntu App Developers Week - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4406
[17:46] <ali1234> bug 757740
[18:45] <HazRPG> you'd think with YouTube's massive server farm, it'd be able to transcode a video pretty quick :P
[18:45] <ali1234> it can
[18:45] <ali1234> you know they get 35 hours of video every minute right?
[18:45] <HazRPG> yup
[18:46] <HazRPG> ali1234: there's a point, what do you use to create videos with and what do you save them as?
[18:46] <nperry> Anyone know if the UGR team have an irc channel?
[18:47] <ali1234> HazRPG: i use all kinds of things...
[18:47] <HazRPG> I just tried RecordItNow -- but its KDE based, and well it took forever to do anything with
[18:47] <ali1234> i use gtkrecordmydesktop
[18:47] <ali1234> i use ffmpeg to make h264
[18:47] <ali1234> and i use pitivi sometimes if i need to edit
[18:47] <ali1234> again, to h264
[18:47] <ali1234> nothing else seems to work on youtube
[18:48] <ali1234> sometimes ogg will work but it's hit and miss
[18:49] <HazRPG> I use pitivi for editing too
[18:51] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm, so my ogv might just be scrambled then :(?
[18:51] <ali1234> yeah probably
[18:51] <ali1234> do you get sound and green picture?>
[18:51] <HazRPG> not sure, still processing
[18:51] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP_qgPpUFJA
[18:52] <ali1234> did you see a preview while uploading?
[18:52] <ali1234> it will probably say that forever
[18:52] <HazRPG> why?
[18:52] <ali1234> i dunno
[18:52] <ali1234> that's just what happens
[18:52] <HazRPG> yeah, it looks like someone had change the picture to ///// aspect for some reason
[18:52] <HazRPG> on the preview during upload
[18:52] <ali1234> /////
[18:52] <ali1234> ?
[18:53] <HazRPG> yeah, as if someone had put a filter on it to change the image from   |  (or fixed, normal view), to a  /  (everything titled to the right and stretched out)
[18:54] <HazRPG> ali1234: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/tmp/youtube-upload.png
[18:55] <mgdm> it's attempting to make thumbnails from the videos as you upload, but bungling it
[18:57] <HazRPG> indeed
[18:59] <HazRPG> oh well
[18:59] <HazRPG> transcoding to mp4 in pitivi
[19:01] <HazRPG> urgh, ok so this time its not evening showin a preview :/
[19:02] <HazRPG> this time i used FFmpeg H.264 MP4, with faac audio (AAC?) etc
[19:04] <KINGOFSWORDS> hi
[19:06] <KINGOFSWORDS> problem with googleearth in 64bit
[19:07] <ali1234> HazRPG: i use [mp4mux], [ffenc_alac], and [ffenc_mpeg4] in pitivi
[19:08] <HazRPG> hmm, the settings I picked must have worked:
[19:08] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcWPeXpa9ys
[19:08] <ali1234> [ffenc_aac] belongs to [ffmux_mp4], and like it says, it's not recommended
[19:09] <HazRPG> or maybe not...
[19:09] <ali1234> that's really messed up lol
[19:09] <HazRPG> indeed :/
[19:09] <HazRPG> *sigh*
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> uhm
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> MPEG4 is "special"
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234's way seems the sanest
[19:10] <ali1234> looks like you only got i frames :)
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> as long as it plays on ps3 :P
[19:11] <HazRPG> I don't seem to have mp4mux
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> get it :)
[19:12] <ali1234> ah yeah you need to install the codec pack that makes everything work
[19:12] <HazRPG> nope
[19:12]  * MartijnVdS uses mp4box to mux mp4s
[19:12] <HazRPG> just being a spaz, it is in there :/
[19:12] <ali1234> (you probably already installed it since you need it for just about everything)
[19:14] <HazRPG> indeed
[19:14] <HazRPG> ali1234: thanks for the help, hopefully this should work
[19:14] <HazRPG> also, is there a way to default these settings? (having trouble finding a way to do so :/)
[19:14] <ali1234> i don't think so
[19:14] <ali1234> but it gets saved with the project file
[19:15] <ali1234> so you can make a blank project, and load it up before you start
[19:15] <ali1234> actually there's probably a default project file somewhere you can save over
[19:19] <ali1234> the new pitivi has a much improved codec settings page where you can make presets: http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/2010/12/10/new-project-settings-and-rendering-ui/
[19:19] <ali1234> which is cool
[19:22] <HazRPG> hmm, PiTiVi v0.13.5 is the one I have and according to the site thats the latest one :S
[19:22] <ali1234> the new thing isn't released yet
[19:23] <HazRPG> ah
[19:29] <HazRPG> hmm, think this should do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtWYNMS5LuM
[19:30] <HazRPG> mainly made it because one of my friends was having trouble trying to add music :/
[19:34] <ali1234> "but i use inity"
[19:34] <ali1234> "how i open two windows"
[19:36] <ali1234> hmm so basically you do cd ~/.ultrastar && unzip ~/Downloads/ultrastar*.zip
[20:00] <Myrtti> classy
[20:01] <Myrtti> martiini confesses to internet stalk people
[20:02] <Myrtti> hes one of the people why my twitter profile is private :-/
[20:03] <exobuzz> wonder if ubuntu natty will be released with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/669712 - annoying
[20:04]  * hamitron makes a note on his timetable Myrtti is active at this time
[20:04] <hamitron> ;)
[20:11] <hamitron> has anyone tried running their distro from a usb 3.0 drive?
[20:12] <hamitron> specifically, one of these high performance SSD ones
[20:13] <balor> off topic question but, what do Windows users use for personal backup, like we'd use deja-dup on Linux
[20:13] <willy1977> balor: get on your knees...
[20:14] <willy1977> hands together... look skyward and pray.. :)
[20:14] <balor> willy1977: Don't blame me.  I came home for a week and was handed a Vista machine...I've not been a Windows user since the last century
[20:15] <hamitron> what is a backup? ;/
[20:15] <willy1977> balor: nah, got nothing against it - just thinking that's what most users I've dealt with would be doing...
[20:16] <hamitron> tbh, these online backup services tend to offer better support for windows.....
[20:16] <willy1977> that's true... isn't there like the windows cloud or something?
[20:17] <balor> I've got a NAS, I just need something to copy files
[20:17] <hamitron> could use rsync just the same too
[20:19] <hamitron> what is deja-dup?
[20:19] <hamitron> :s
[20:19] <Jibadeeha> i have started using deja-dup
[20:19] <brobostigon> !info deja-dup
[20:20] <Jibadeeha> it is great for encrypted backups
[20:20] <hamitron> bleh, I don't need encrypted
[20:20] <hamitron> ;)
[20:20] <hamitron> I have nothing to hide \o/
[20:20] <Jibadeeha> do any of you guys use autofs
[20:20] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, neither have i
[20:21] <hamitron> encryption where it is not needed, just makes me uneasy
[20:22] <willy1977> I've used the a-click backup client (a lot of online providers seem to use this) it's not so bad...
[20:22] <hamitron> I'd rather keep it plain, in case something goes wrong.... then there is a better chance of recovering
[20:22] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, i have been burgled before .. so this time i have everything encrypted
[20:22] <willy1977> balor: a click stuff was for you :)
[20:23] <hamitron> Jibadeeha: I guess if you store stuff that is personal, a good idea
[20:23] <willy1977> yeah hamitron how the fluff do you keep prying eyes off your porn?
[20:23] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, identify theft worries me
[20:23] <hamitron> willy1977: typing encryption keys mid action must be a pain? ;)
[20:23] <willy1977> you get used to it
[20:24] <willy1977> :o
[20:24] <willy1977> so I'm told :/
[20:24] <hamitron> haha
[20:24] <hamitron> no need to store content readily available on the internet anyway
[20:25] <Jibadeeha> lol true
[20:25] <hamitron> I do like to keep old drivers and software
[20:25] <hamitron> and if my old comps get stolen, the thief will need them
[20:25] <ali1234> the thing about computer thieves is... if they are smart, the first thing they'll do is utterly wipe the machine
[20:25] <hamitron> so only polite to leave them
[20:25] <ali1234> if they're dumb, they won't know how to use linux anyway
[20:26] <ali1234> so i don't use encryption
[20:26] <Jibadeeha> it is who they sell them on to
[20:26] <hamitron> they'd call back at mine and charge me for disposing of waste :/
[20:27] <hamitron> do you think windows 95 stickers will put them off?
[20:28] <Jibadeeha> Windows 98 stickers would be better
[20:28] <brobostigon> window me ones, :)
[20:28] <hamitron> haha
[20:28] <Jibadeeha> trumped
[20:28] <hamitron> I like Windows ME :/
[20:28] <willy1977> brobostigon: hahah that's gonna put most people off :D
[20:29] <brobostigon> willy1977: yeah, :)
[20:29] <Jibadeeha> Designed for MS-DOS 4.0
[20:30] <hamitron> my new comp is in a 18 year old case
[20:30] <hamitron> turned yellow, so i hope it is safe
[20:30] <hamitron> :)
[20:31] <hamitron> but I can't see why they'd target a desktop PC these days
[20:31] <hamitron> they are so cheap
[20:32] <hamitron> also a huge risk of getting ssomething worthless
[20:33] <HazRPG> teh awesomes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwUC9oRB4VE \o/
[20:37] <Mez> hmmles... I seem to have lost wobbly windows with unity.
[20:37] <HazRPG> I wonder if hackers see a win95-me machine n just assume there's no point...
[20:37] <Mez> and gnome-do :(
[20:37] <hamitron> easy target more like
[20:38] <hamitron> can gain access to too many machines
[20:38] <hamitron> can never gain*
[20:40] <Jibadeeha> hackers probably see win95-me machine and think to themselves .."nah ... i am not a vulture"
[20:41] <shauno> I think as long as it can send outbound mail, they probably don't care (or even look) what it is.
[20:42] <hamitron> are they not moving away from the mass mailing?
[20:42] <hamitron> I'd have thought they'll have stuff sat waiting idle more these days
[20:54] <HazRPG> I don't get why some hackers waste their time making spam bots :?
[20:55] <HazRPG> surely it would be more productive figuring out flaws and trying to fix them (more rewarding too)
[20:55] <shauno> easy.  money.
[20:57] <shauno> all the people sending you emails about performance enhancing pills, aren't doing it because they have an odd sense of humour
[20:58] <hamitron> they've never replied to my requests :/
[20:59] <HazRPG> hamitron: xD
[21:00] <HazRPG> shauno: also, you mean just general money phishing (I will give you this nothingness if you give me money)
[21:00] <hamitron> not even joking ;)
[21:00] <HazRPG> hamitron: they use fake e-mail addys ya know ;P
[21:00] <shauno> HazRPG: in various forms, sure
[21:01] <hamitron> HazRPG: I visit the meds sites they advertise
[21:01] <HazRPG> hamitron: next time just spam them back xD
[21:01] <HazRPG> sendmail *@domain.com x100 times
[21:02] <hamitron> I spam they online forms on the sites they sell stuff
[21:02] <hamitron> their*
[21:02] <HazRPG> I think it would be funnier if a counter hacker just took the d**n site down
[21:03] <shauno> I still get multiple emails per day trying to lure me to fake battle.net login pages.  given that my account has a dollar value of something like $22, they're really shooting at economies of scale  (where sending thousands of emails is *cheap*)
[21:03] <HazRPG> or even a "haha you just got pwned!"
[21:03] <hamitron> if they are gonna make it harder work for me reading my mail, they will find it harder reading requests from potential customers
[21:04] <HazRPG> lol
[21:04] <shauno> HazRPG: if they don't run their own mailservers, what makes you think that's their webserver :)  just as much chance you're just ruining some hapless third party's day
[21:04] <HazRPG> hamitron: good plan ;)
[21:04] <HazRPG> shauno: yeah, but it surely could be traced back though ;)
[21:05] <shauno> traced back which way?  if you target someone's server, the owners are going to be looking in your direction, not russia's :p
[21:06] <hamitron> unless you use a vps that is not yours or something, but still pointless
[21:07] <hamitron> need to hit the source
[21:07] <hamitron> man, I'm in a fighting mood atm
[21:08] <shauno> just the mood for finding something useful to do with that SiS box :p
[21:08] <HazRPG> no I mean like if you get access into the server that was taken down for their own entertainment, then you find and see if there's any logs that point you back to them... and then delete your trace if you can, and get them!
[21:08] <hamitron> I need to install grub on the thing, so it will boot from usb
[21:09] <dutchie> \o/ oggcamp
[21:10] <daubers> \o/
[21:10] <hamitron> \o/
[21:11] <shauno> HazRPG: half the time, if you just contact the isp you'll discover it's someone on a shared hosting account that has no idea what they're doing, and got taken over
[21:12] <popey> \o/
[21:14] <hamitron> shauno: you are right
[21:14] <hamitron> I'm gonna do something productive
[21:15] <HazRPG> erm \o/
[21:16] <directhex> SiS /o\
[21:17] <hamitron> still can't decide if to get an external USB 3.0 SSD
[21:17] <directhex> hamitron, you have USB3 kit?
[21:17] <hamitron> or just get an external drive to store more junk
[21:17] <hamitron> yes
[21:17] <directhex> ... really?
[21:17] <hamitron> yeh, on my new comp
[21:17] <hamitron> GA-H55N-USB3 motherboard
[21:19] <hamitron> my graphics card dwarfs my motherboard
[21:19] <hamitron> :)
[21:20] <directhex> hamitron, normal. these days 3-slot cooled cards exist
[21:20] <hamitron> mine is only 2 slot
[21:20] <hamitron> but in the long run I will use the graphics on the cpu
[21:21] <hamitron> but installing my OS on an external USB drive just seems appealing
[21:22] <daubers> hamitron: I got a USB3 caddy the other day, but that was just because I needed a caddy that could take a 12mm HDD :)
[21:22] <hamitron> my hdd are the slowest thing I have
[21:22] <hamitron> :/
[21:24] <hamitron> tbh, I am impressed with everything I have now for performance, apart fromt hem
[21:24] <hamitron> them*
[21:25] <hamitron> daubers: thinking maybe this one http://www.ebuyer.com/product/251739
[21:26] <daubers> hamitron: I'm not very up with SSD's. Been waiting for reasonably priced drives before I splurged on loads at work :)
[21:26] <daubers> got 8 coming in when I get back from holiday now \o/
[21:26] <hamitron> but I would prefer some external device that lets me install RAM into it, with battery backup and circuits to make it act as a drive
[21:27] <hamitron> 32Gb maybe
[21:27] <hamitron> 8 x 4Gb sticks :)
[21:30] <hamitron> another option is just a USB 3.0 flash drive for £12
[21:30] <hamitron> ;)
[21:31] <shauno> http://www.anandtech.com/show/1742  ?  5 years old now, can't be that expensive :)
[21:31] <hamitron> it only supports SATA 150 speeds
[21:32] <hamitron> I did actually consider one, instead of a comp upgrade
[21:32] <hamitron> but decided to change comp and get 8Gb of real RAM, then i can always make a ram drive
[21:32] <shauno> I wonder if there's a newer version of that yet
[21:33] <hamitron> there is
[21:33] <hamitron> it fits in the 5.25" bay
[21:33] <hamitron> uses its own power connector from the PSU
[21:33] <hamitron> but the circuit on it only supports SATA 1500
[21:34] <hamitron> 150*
[21:34] <hamitron> :(
[21:34] <directhex> hamitron, there is a HUGE scale of performance between SSD models
[21:34] <directhex> right now, the ocz vertex 3 is the fastest. but only via sata3
[21:35] <hamitron> directhex: the only bad thing about my motherboard.... sata2 :/
[21:35] <daubers> chap at work had one of tho ocz drives delivered today with his new mobo and assorted parts
[21:36] <hamitron> well, I can find other things to moan about, but I shouldn't complain :)
[21:36] <hamitron> the intel stock cooler is even working well
[21:36] <hamitron> :-o
[21:37] <hamitron> cpu idles at 16 C
[21:37] <hamitron> :)
[21:37] <matti> hamitron: Too hot! :p
[21:37] <shauno> mine has sata3, 'kinda'  :/
[21:37] <directhex> shauno, ?
[21:37] <hamitron> matti: ;)
[21:37] <shauno> for some reason, it'll do sata3 on the hdd connector, but sata2 on the dvdrw one
[21:37] <directhex> considering buying some of the parts for wife's new pc while we're in the US. much cheaper...
[21:38] <directhex> e.g. £70 less for the graphics card
[21:38] <hamitron> maybe worth it
[21:38] <hamitron> :)
[21:39] <directhex> get a vertex3 for under £200...
[21:39] <shauno> which is a bummer because previously, the most popular upgrade was to replace the dvd with a sdd, so you've got both disks.  one for speed, one for bulk
[21:39] <shauno> can still do that, but makes it a much messier process
[21:39] <directhex> ocz are happy to honour warranties worldwide, so are intel
[21:39] <hamitron> directhex: it has to be external
[21:39] <ali1234> my motherboard has 8 data connectors........
[21:39] <ali1234> *sata
[21:39] <daubers> hamitron: Put it in an enclosue
[21:39] <shauno> ali1234: this is a laptop :)
[21:40] <directhex> ali1234, 10 isn't out of the ordinary, had a 10-port mobo years ago
[21:40]  * daubers would just wang a raid card in it and go sas -> sata
[21:40] <directhex> useless, of course
[21:40] <ali1234> so it's sata 2... but is the 3gbit shared over them, or per connector?
[21:40] <directhex> per connector
[21:40] <ali1234> so would you say i'd probably be better off with a raid, than one ssd?
[21:40] <ali1234> raid of cheap hdds that is
[21:41] <directhex> no chance
[21:41] <hamitron> you can get ssd drives with twin connectors
[21:41] <ali1234> hmm interesting
[21:41] <directhex> raid0 with 15000 rpm drives won't touch a midrange ssd
[21:41] <daubers> ali1234: Run your base OS off an SSD and keep your data on a HDD RAID :)
[21:41] <ali1234> directhex: even if i had like 6 drives and striped them with no mirroring?
[21:41] <ali1234> vs a single ssd?
[21:41] <directhex> ali1234, yup.
[21:42] <ali1234> interesting
[21:42] <daubers> ali1234: Yup, you'd probab;y get a similar (or better) streaming speed, but less IOPs with SSDs
[21:42] <daubers> with HDDS
[21:42] <daubers> even
[21:42] <directhex> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4256/the-ocz-vertex-3-review-120gb/6
[21:42] <hamitron> less heat too?
[21:42] <ali1234> less noise as well
[21:42] <daubers> and less power requirement
[21:42] <hamitron> I want a hdd-less comp
[21:43] <directhex> yes, sequential is king for hdd
[21:43] <hamitron> :/
[21:43] <directhex> ssd does random just as fast as sequential, hdd dies on random
[21:43] <hamitron> so when you are previewing all those thumbnails of folders of "pics".....
[21:43] <hamitron> ;)
[21:43] <directhex> by "is king" i mean "a velociraptor can compete at the low end". whereas for random, you're looking hundreds of times faster
[21:44] <daubers> It's also a capacity/performance trade
[21:44]  * daubers wants a NAS with 8 3TB HDDs in RAID5 and an SSD in his laptop
[21:44] <daubers> unfortunatley, as mum always said, "I want doesn't get"
[21:45] <ali1234> yeah those charts say it all really
[21:49] <hamitron> problem with a usb caddy, it is gonna be the bottleneck
[21:50] <hamitron> unless there are more optimised ones out since I looked
[21:52] <ali1234> so... i see that ram-in-a-box hard drive... but wouldn't it be easier to get a pci-x card with a bunch of ram slots on it?
[21:53] <ali1234> i mean pci-e of course
[21:53] <hamitron> I have no pci-e slot
[21:53] <ali1234> pci then
[21:53] <directhex> ali1234, they're not very good.
[21:53] <hamitron> or pci
[21:53] <directhex> ali1234, they happened years ago... problem with RAM is it is somewhat volatile, so power down PC and...
[21:54] <ali1234> well yeah
[21:54] <hamitron> it is either esata or usb3.0
[21:54] <ali1234> but disregarding power issues
[21:54] <hamitron> I like the idea of losing everything
[21:54] <hamitron> :)
[21:54] <directhex> ali1234, still not very impressive performance
[21:54] <ali1234> i never turn off my computer
[21:55]  * hamitron cuts ali1234's power line
[21:55] <ali1234> pci-e must be faster than sata though right?
[21:55] <shauno> that'd be a bit annoying.  2 second power cut and it's time for a reinstall
[21:55] <hamitron> the i_RAM has a battery
[21:55] <hamitron> i-RAM
[21:56] <hamitron> but sata150 sucks
[21:56] <hamitron> :/
[21:56] <hamitron> and the newer ones are not made by huge companies and cost too much
[21:56] <shauno> I'd imagine most implementations would end up sticking a sata controller on the pci(-e) card, so that it's familiar to the OS
[21:56] <ali1234> pci should be memory mapped
[21:57] <ali1234> so it should appear as normal ram on any "good" OS
[21:57] <hamitron> is it viable to load a partition in RAM on boot?
[21:57] <shauno> so you're not going to boot from it
[21:57] <ali1234> no, of course not
[21:57] <ali1234> i only boot up about once every 2 months
[21:58] <shauno> I was under the impression the OS disk is where most people see sdd gains
[21:58] <hamitron> imo, /tmp would benefit me most
[21:59] <ali1234> for me, more memory
[21:59] <ali1234> i always run out of memory
[21:59] <ali1234> too many buggy programs
[21:59] <hamitron> ali1234: this isn't either or
[21:59] <hamitron> ;)
[21:59] <ali1234> and yeah, several livecds copy themselves to ramdisk
[21:59] <hamitron> unless I have to use my real memory for the drive :/
[21:59] <shauno> more memory doesn't stop bugs filling it.  just takes longer :)
[22:00] <hamitron> you can either kill the bug, or run away from it
[22:00] <shauno> but if you don't need it mapped to a disk controller, wouldn't you just get a mobo that lets you stick a stupid amount of system ram in it and shortcut the peripherals?
[22:00] <hamitron> ;)
[22:01]  * ali1234 used valgrind!
[22:01] <ali1234> it's super-effective!
[22:01] <hamitron> so how you fill more ram?
[22:01] <hamitron> :/
[22:02] <hamitron> I've managed to use 6Gb once
[22:02] <shauno> you'll always fill ram.  the kernel tries to :)
[22:02] <ali1234> shauno: well my motherboard only has 4 slots, maximum of 16gb
[22:02] <ali1234> that might just about be enough, until i start some VMs
[22:02] <hamitron> you could upgrade motherboard
[22:02] <hamitron> ;)
[22:03] <shauno> I'm sure you can find one sillier than that :)
[22:03] <ali1234> to what?
[22:03] <shauno> or denser.  mine has 2 slots, for a maximum of 16Gb
[22:03] <hamitron> I saw one that takes 32Gb in 4 slots
[22:03] <hamitron> but the 6 series chipset bugs scared me away
[22:03] <hamitron> and the memory limitation of windows 7
[22:03] <hamitron> ;)
[22:04] <shauno> unfortunately the difference between 2x4Gb sticks and 2x8Gb sticks for this is close to $1400 US :/
[22:04] <hamitron> :/
[22:04] <hamitron> mine only takes 2x4gb anyway
[22:04] <ali1234> 8gb are the brand new thing
[22:04] <ali1234> 4gb are getting affordable now, i think 4x4 is about £140 now
[22:04] <hamitron> £130
[22:05] <hamitron> ;)
[22:05] <ali1234> i'll get it when it hits £100
[22:05] <hamitron> 2x4gb for under 65 quid seemed nice I thought
[22:05] <ali1234> or when i get annoyed enough
[22:05] <shauno> I'm waiting until I can budget a ssd, so I only have to open the thing once.  since it's rather invasive now
[22:05] <hamitron> :D
[22:06] <hamitron> I'm thinking, 6Gb ram for /tmp
[22:06] <ali1234> bug 757727
[22:06] <ali1234> looks like i might be getting it sooner than later
[22:06] <hamitron> ali1234: any excuse ;)
[22:08] <ali1234> in other news, i heard ubuntu classic was patched to have the classic 3 way menu and no global menus by default
[22:08] <shauno> yeah, spotted that on planet this morning.  best news I've heard regarding this release for a while
[22:08] <ali1234> it's a victory for "what it says on the tin"
[22:09] <hamitron> brb, need more coffee
[22:41] <zleap> hello
[22:41] <zleap> how do i find out who owns a domain or when a domain registration runs out ?
[22:42] <zleap> tried whois and nslookup and am stuck
[22:45] <Azelphur> zleap: it will be on whois
[22:45] <Azelphur> if it's not on whois, whois it harder. :P
[22:45] <zleap> ok
[22:45] <zleap> how
[22:45] <Azelphur> whats the domain?
[22:45] <Azelphur> I use http://dnsstuff.com for whois lookups
[22:46] <zleap> http://www.friendsofpaigntonrfc.com/
[22:46] <Azelphur> spooky, no information
[22:47] <Azelphur> I think it's actually illegal to have no information there o.O
[22:47] <popey> http://dnstools.com/?count=1&lookup=on&wwwhois=on&portNum=80&target=friendsofpaigntonrfc.com&submit=Go!
[22:47] <popey> there is info
[22:47] <Azelphur> popey: dnsstuff shows nothing, interesting :)
[22:47] <zleap> ok thanks
[22:48] <zleap> the problem is we need to update the website, don't have a uid / password
[22:48] <zleap> and the owner won't respond to e-mails etc
[22:48] <zleap> she or she was part of the same organisation that set up the domain and i think she did the website
[22:49] <zleap> ok it looks like ti runs out on 16th may 2011
[22:50] <hamitron> so a month after then?
[22:50] <zleap> ok
[22:50] <zleap> what does this mean
[22:50] <zleap>  Domain status: clientTransferProhibited
[22:50] <zleap>                 clientUpdateProhibited
[22:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey - just noticed where OggCamp 11 is going to be this year :-)
[22:52] <zleap> hamitron, does that mean we have to wait till 17th june before we gain access to the site
[22:52] <zleap> or can re-register it in our name
[22:53] <hamitron> I think the domain expires on the date on the record, but there is some cool down period
[22:53] <zleap> ok
[22:53] <hamitron> I'm not 100% of the length, I think it is maybe a month
[22:53] <zleap> what happens if it gets renewed automatically
[22:53] <hamitron> but it would be a lot better if you can contact her
[22:53] <zleap> we are trying
[22:53] <hamitron> snail mail?
[22:54] <zleap> she just stopped doing anyting
[22:54] <zleap> well they tried phone, and e-mail
[22:54] <zleap> i will ask
[22:54] <hamitron> there is the risk it could be renewed automatically... also the risk someone else could snatch it
[22:55] <hamitron> I'm not sure about the best way to go about what you want, as i don't deal with domains
[22:55] <hamitron> :/
[22:55] <zleap> well its a pretty specialist name really, i think we want to snatch it, so we can do something with it
[22:57] <hamitron> iirc, there are sites that let you "pre-register" a domain
[22:57] <zleap> OK
[22:57] <hamitron> so once it becomes available, you get it
[22:57] <Azelphur> cooldown period is like 70 days
[22:57] <Azelphur> iirc
[22:57] <zleap> ok thannks
[22:57] <hamitron> thanks Azelphur
[22:57] <hamitron> knew it was something
[22:57] <hamitron> :)
[22:57] <zleap> if someone could help me find that site it would be good
[23:01] <zleap> i assume once we have grabbed it, we can host it elsewhere right
[23:01] <zleap> as i am not even sure who the hosting company isd
[23:02] <zleap> hang on what is to stop people pre-registering any site to take control of it
[23:02] <hamitron> there is nothing
[23:03] <zleap> so in theory i could register www.microsoft.com,  ok that is an example,
[23:03] <ali1234> i'm sure one time microsoft forgot to renew it and some guy bought it
[23:03] <hamitron> you could, and would get it if MS let it expire and didn't renew in the grace period, technically
[23:04] <ali1234> yeah
[23:04] <ali1234> but of course then microsoft would just sue you and get it back
[23:04] <hamitron> but even if you get it....
[23:04] <hamitron> exactly
[23:04] <hamitron> hehe
[23:04] <Azelphur> microsoft lost hotmail for a while
[23:04] <ali1234> yeah that was it
[23:04] <Azelphur> some guy bought it and pointed it at the hotmail servers until MS woke up
[23:04] <zleap> ah so the gradeperiod has to run out first then it automatically moves to the new owner
[23:04] <zleap> kinda like squatting i guess
[23:05] <hamitron> it is available to register, not 100% about the best way to get it
[23:05] <hamitron> :)
[23:05] <zleap> what the friends site
[23:05] <hamitron> simplest way is to contact the owner
[23:06] <zleap> well i am in touch with other mambers of the organisation so they are dealing with that
[23:08] <hamitron> I don't know if someone would register it before you, to try charge you for the name
[23:08] <hamitron> that is the biggest risk I guess
[23:08] <hamitron> :)
[23:09] <zleap> just wondered what use http://www.friendsofpaigntonrfc.com/ would be to anyone else really
[23:10] <zleap> if need be i thought if we simply registered another domain like .co.uk we could simply set up another site somewhere
[23:10] <zleap> but that would kinda not work as google would then come up with both
[23:16] <hamitron> zleap:
[23:16] <zleap> sorry accidently exitied the client
[23:16] <hamitron> http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/two-brothers-fishing
[23:16] <hamitron> maybe a change of address too
[23:18] <zleap> hmm
[23:21] <zleap> thanks i will let graham now
[23:21] <brobostigon> good night all, sleep well.
[23:21] <zleap> know
[23:21] <zleap> nite brobostigon
[23:21] <hamitron> nn brob
[23:21] <zleap> :)
[23:21] <brobostigon> good night zleap and hamitron
[23:22] <brobostigon> :)
[23:22] <zleap> i am, off too,  thanks for your help, willl need to work on this when i am less tired
[23:22] <zleap> m
[23:22] <zleap> nite
[23:36] <KINGOFSWORDS> hi
[23:49] <dwatkins> lo
[23:49] <hamitron> evening
[23:50] <KINGOFSWORDS> i only have 3 urls in software sourves>other  sofware tab and only (main) is ticked does this mean universe and multiverse arent on my pc?
[23:52] <popey> KINGOFSWORDS: it means those repositories arent enabled
[23:52] <popey> which is unusual
[23:53] <KINGOFSWORDS> ok
[23:53] <KINGOFSWORDS> yeh i thought thats y ive been having problems
[23:53] <hamitron> don't they get enabled when you first install something from them?
[23:54] <popey> they should be enabled really
[23:54] <hamitron> from the newbie apps installer
[23:54] <popey> all of them, main, restricted, universe, multiverse
[23:54] <KINGOFSWORDS> but in /etc/apt/sources.list they are vlisted
[23:54] <KINGOFSWORDS> without the # in front of them
[23:55] <KINGOFSWORDS> do i just edit sources.list then sudo apt-get update?
[23:58] <popey> i would use the gui
[23:58] <popey> less chance for error then
[23:59] <KINGOFSWORDS> newbie apps installer?
[23:59] <popey> software sources
[23:59] <popey> where you were