[00:00] <kevin6888296> hey jdeslip
[01:01] <jdeslip> Hey keven6888296 - having a good weekend?
[01:26] <kevin6888296> so far so good jdeslip, how about yourself?
[02:49] <jdeslip> It was a pretty nice weekend.
[02:51] <jdeslip> JamezQ: Is that you that just requested membership?
[02:51] <jdeslip> And... are you a real person? ;)
[02:51] <JamezQ> yea
[02:51] <JamezQ> ;)
[02:51] <JamezQ> Or an amazing bot.
[02:51] <JamezQ> Honestly, both deserve membership
[02:51] <jdeslip> Good point
[02:53] <JamezQ> so, do loco's ever do programming projects?
[02:53] <jdeslip> Well, they can.  But mostly people working on a particular project are not necessarily geographically nearby
[02:54] <grantbow> People do projects. Volunteer design by committee often has disadvantages in my experience.
[02:54] <jdeslip> The LoCo's efforts are mostly focused on awareness, advocacy and having fun
[02:54] <philipballew> lite entire projects or like programing like bug's?
[02:54] <philipballew> *like
[02:55]  * aaditya starts to fade in
[02:55] <grantbow> organizing Ubuntu precenses at events are quite worthy of the project title
[02:55] <grantbow> err, presences
[02:55] <jdeslip> grantbow: thanks for all your efforts at todays BLUG meeting
[02:55] <philipballew> ive seen it where members of a loco do a project but its not endorsed by the loco itself
[02:55] <grantbow> jdeslip: was fun
[02:55] <JamezQ> I see
[02:55] <grantbow> philipballew: if the project is good what does it matter?
[02:56] <jdeslip> JamezQ: But many people in the LoCo, myself included, have our own programming projects going on.  The channel is sometimes a good place to get help.
[02:56] <grantbow> opinions are just opinions
[02:56] <grantbow> code is ocde
[02:56] <grantbow> code
[02:56] <JamezQ> jdeslip: What are you working on?
[02:56] <philipballew> it doesnt. doesnt in my opinion at least
[02:57] <jdeslip> I have a couple small Ubuntu apps in development.  One is: https://launchpad.net/geeq
[02:57] <JamezQ> neat
[02:59] <jdeslip> Ok, almost time for the meeting.  Who is here for the meeting?
[02:59] <akk> o/
[03:00] <jledbetter> o/
[03:00] <JamezQ> Okay, so thats two
[03:00] <jtatum> o/
[03:00] <philipballew> I am!!!
[03:00] <philipballew> teo
[03:00] <jdeslip> OK - well let's begin.  People can chime in as they arrive.
[03:00] <grantbow> people will reveal themselves
[03:00] <jdeslip> ---------------- Begin Meeting ------------------
[03:01] <jdeslip> We usually begin with announcements.  Does anyone have something to share that is relevant to the team?
[03:02] <grantbow> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11April10
[03:02] <jdeslip> In case anyone is not aware Ubuntu 11.04 is scheduled to be released on the 28th of this month.
[03:02] <jdeslip> grantbow: thanks
[03:02] <philipballew> how did the global jams play out?
[03:02] <philipballew> thats the first item
[03:02] <jdeslip> So, that is agenda item 1.
[03:03] <grantbow> Open Week is coming up May 2nd. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[03:03] <jdeslip> excellent
[03:03] <jdeslip> Any other announcements?
[03:03] <grantbow> not that I can think of.
[03:04] <grantbow> jono did a Global Jam in Walnut Creek on Friday.
[03:04] <jdeslip> Can you summarize that grantbow?
[03:04] <grantbow> pleia2 did a Global Jam on Sunday in Berkeley
[03:04] <grantbow> I attended both.  I wish they could summarize but pleia2 is on vacation.
[03:04] <jdeslip> I can summarize the second, but did not attend the first.
[03:05] <grantbow> were there others?
[03:05] <philipballew> i assume jono isnt here
[03:05] <jdeslip> Well, at the second event, Sunday in Berkeley, we had 6 attendees total.
[03:06] <grantbow> no other events are listed http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/history
[03:06] <grantbow> Global Jam events at least
[03:06] <jdeslip> pleia2 brought some documentation on xubuntu with instructions for testers.  I believe a couple of bugs were filed against it.
[03:07] <philipballew> my email says there were only two
[03:07] <jdeslip> I personally spent my time testing Ubuntu and Unity - and filed a couple bugs.
[03:07] <grantbow> the folks in this channel for IRC were helpful at both events - thank you virtual attendees too!
[03:08] <jdeslip> I think, in the future, we might be able to make the events even more succesful by coming up with a short list of focused tasks ahead of time.
[03:09] <grantbow> sounds good
[03:09] <jdeslip> pleia2 task list for xubuntu seemed like a good example
[03:09] <grantbow> We talked about several bugs including some in Unity and road tested the future release.
[03:09] <jdeslip> Any other feedback from anyone who attended one of the two events?
[03:10] <grantbow> We had a new MOTU attend the Walnut Creek event.
[03:10] <grantbow> We talked about UDS sponsorships which have now been announced. You know if you are going by now.
[03:10] <grantbow> That's all I can recall right now.
[03:11] <jdeslip> OK, so let's move on to agenda item 2.  Release party for 11.04.
[03:11]  * kevin6888296 sneaks in
[03:11] <jdeslip> Since I missed the last meeting, I am a bit out of the loop (or not?) - are there any plans or locations planned yet?
[03:12] <grantbow> jono often has something up his sleeve.  I'll email him.
[03:12] <philipballew> i dont recal  any being mantoned last meeting
[03:12] <jdeslip> For the last few releases, we have met in SF either at the Thirsty bear or nearby
[03:12] <grantbow> nothing planned that I am aware of.
[03:13] <jdeslip> Usually just an opportunity for people who live nearby to meet eachother person and have fun celebrating the release
[03:13] <kevin6888296> are you doing anything in your neck philipballew ?
[03:13] <jdeslip> Ok, I'll talk to pleia2 and see if she wants to host something in SF at Thirsty Bear or nearby again.
[03:14] <jdeslip> Ya, hopefully some of the SoCal folks can put something together.
[03:14] <kevin6888296> it's just a matter of finding a venue, i'm starting to sync up with a hacker space in culver city
[03:14] <kevin6888296> perhaps that might be an option
[03:14] <grantbow> kevin*: cool!
[03:14] <eps> I like the concept of "nearby." Thirsty Bear is so noisy it's difficult to converse.
[03:15] <JamezQ> So, how about the NorCal guys? Up in the bay? What if someone is there?
[03:15] <philipballew> nothing, i might email david as he possibly has something. i personaally have nothing though
[03:15] <jdeslip> Cool.  Let us know how that goes by sending an email to the mailing list
[03:15] <grantbow> eps: plan an event if you don't prefer the ones that get planned.
[03:15] <grantbow> jdeslip: right
[03:15] <eps> grantbow: I'm not challenging the event, just the venue
[03:16] <kevin6888296> philipballew: ah
[03:16] <jdeslip> JamezQ: We will likely have a party in the Bay area (probably SF) - I'll talk to pleia2 and write an email to the list. We should sync with jono if he is planning something
[03:16] <kevin6888296> eps: finding a venue ain't easy, at least not in my experience.
[03:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[03:16] <jdeslip> eps: we'll keep your opinion in mind.  Do you have another suggestion for a place?
[03:16] <grantbow> there is no limit to the number of events.
[03:16] <philipballew> does the jam have to be on the actual release date or would the weekend work just as well?
[03:17] <kevin6888296> well, i suppose an event with just 1 person still counts as an event
[03:17] <eps> jdeslip: not off the top of my head. Thirsty Bear would work if we had enough attendees to reserve our own area; we're just too small at the moment.
[03:17] <jdeslip> philipballew: the weekend is fine.  Usually we do it within a week or so of release.  But, there is no reason it has to be on the release date.
[03:17] <grantbow> no hard limits, just around that time.
[03:18] <philipballew> excellent
[03:18] <grantbow> as the time draws closer people will get more details nailed down as usual.
[03:19] <grantbow> 18 days or so left
[03:19] <kevin6888296> philipballew: it probably depends on who is attending
[03:20] <jdeslip> OK.  So if philipballew, kevin6888296 want to se something up as well as anyone else, please send an email to the list with planned location and time so others in the area know
[03:20] <jdeslip> Anything from a get-together to an advocacy event would be great.
[03:21] <grantbow> sounds good
[03:21] <grantbow> installfests are possible too if you are quick with downloads but it's not required
[03:21] <philipballew> is doing one just finding a place to have it and a time?
[03:21] <grantbow> yes
[03:21] <jdeslip> philipballew: that is probably the hardest part.
[03:22] <grantbow> and telling people about it
[03:22] <jdeslip> You can basically just make it a get-together for ubuntu users / team-members in the area.  If you want you can also burn some discs, make a sign and do a little advocacy.
[03:23] <jdeslip> Can use the teams cd-sleeve design
[03:23] <philipballew> for sure. well i can make the sing, find a place. but would people from greater so cal come is the real question
[03:24] <grantbow> ask around
[03:24] <jdeslip> I am guessing you would get quite a few.  You can judge by response to the mailing list.
[03:24] <eps> Publicity helps. High gasoline prices don't.
[03:24] <jdeslip> true story
[03:25] <philipballew> bikes ftw!
[03:25] <philipballew> i can shoot a invitation out then find a place by the number of people that respond
[03:26] <jdeslip> That would be a good plan I think
[03:26] <jdeslip> Ok does anyone have something they would like to add to the meeting agenda?  Announcements, proposals etc...?
[03:26] <akk> A lot of people won't respond much ahead of time, though.
[03:27] <grantbow> Here are a couple URLs I should have mentioned during the global jam wrap-up section. http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4196  Jono didn't write much about Walnut Creek specifically but he has a few global jam entries.  http://www.jonobacon.org/
[03:27] <aaditya> How about an Ubuntu California biking group?
[03:27] <grantbow> the floor is open
[03:27] <jdeslip> If you can find other team-members who like biking than why not? ;)
[03:28] <philipballew> yes. we ride bikes while holding our laptops!!!
[03:28] <aaditya> Would people enjoy going out in the greens and burn some calories than sitting in a coffee shop and consuming more?
[03:28] <aaditya> I won't be surprised to see a laptop mounted on a bike.
[03:28] <aaditya> There's mounts for smartphones out there.
[03:28] <JamezQ> Heh, I don't know if that is legal.
[03:28] <aaditya> Everything's legal when you're on a bike ;)
[03:28] <aaditya> well almost.
[03:28] <jdeslip> JamezQ: was about to say that
[03:29] <akk> There's a bill in the works to ban non-handsfree phones (and presumably texting) on bikes, I've read.
[03:29] <aaditya> Do people actually do that? o.O
[03:29] <philipballew> but the cheeper pay as you go phones rule!
[03:29] <grantbow> because that's the most important issue in the state of course...
[03:29]  * akk would be interested if there was a south bay group going biking
[03:29] <grantbow> anything else Ubuntu related?
[03:30] <eps> It looks like the next SF Ubuntu Hour will be one week later than customary. http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events
[03:30] <jdeslip> eps: yes, good find.
[03:30] <aaditya> alright akk, that makes two of us.
[03:30] <akk> aaditya: Oh yeah, I've seen lots of people riding with 1 or 0 hands while using the other(s) to hold a phone to their ear.
[03:30] <grantbow> eps: thanks for the reminder
[03:30] <jdeslip> OK: Anything else before we close the meeting?
[03:31] <grantbow> Ubuntu Hours are coming up - keep an eye on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events and/or ...
[03:31] <grantbow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[03:31] <jdeslip> -------------- Meeting Ends ---------------------
[03:32]  * aaditya starts to zone out.
[03:32] <jdeslip> Thanks for attending everyone, next meeting in two weeks
[03:32] <grantbow> Thanks everyone for attending. Thanks Jack for running the meeting.
[03:32] <jledbetter> Night y'all :)
[03:32] <philipballew> most excellent
[03:34] <aaditya> o.O
[03:34] <aaditya> Thanks all.
[03:34] <aaditya> also, s/10/17/ in topic?
[03:34] <eps> 24th
[03:34] <aaditya> right, 24.
[03:34] <aaditya> thank you ChanServ .
[03:34] <jdeslip> third time is the charm...
[03:35] <jledbetter> hehe
[03:36] <grantbow> \o/
[03:37] <eps>  v
[03:37] <eps>  |
[03:37] <eps> ___
[03:37] <grantbow> mailed jono about another flash mob at Thirsty Bear.
[03:37] <jledbetter> martini glass?
[03:37]  * eps giggles
[03:38] <grantbow> hehe
[03:39] <philipballew> mailed david about possible socal release party
[03:40] <philipballew> ill look for a place this week
[03:40] <philipballew> should be good, maybe
[03:45] <eps> Location scouting should be a year-round activity.
[04:29] <kevin6888296> hey MarkDude
[04:30] <MarkDude> http://cls11.eventbrite.com/ Community Leadership Summit 2011
[04:30] <MarkDude> Hello kevin6888296
[04:31] <kevin6888296> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/873/detail/ los angeles ubuntu hour
[04:31] <kevin6888296> MarkDo
[04:31] <kevin6888296> ah yes, gah-sho MarkDude
[04:31] <kdub> is the meeting still going on?
[04:31] <kevin6888296> gah-sho kdub
[04:31] <kevin6888296> no, it just finished
[04:32] <kdub> darn, i always miss it
[04:32] <kevin6888296> you may want to sink up with philipballew though wrt San Diego release party
[04:33] <kevin6888296> sync, yeah i see it
[04:33] <kdub> will do
[04:36] <kdub> what's gah sho
[04:36] <kevin6888296> kdub: http://www.sfzc.org/images/people/linda_ruth_gasho.jpg
[04:37] <kevin6888296> like nahm-eh-steh
[04:38] <kevin6888296> i like the greeting better than hell-oh, or "hey"  or "hi"
[04:38] <kevin6888296> hay
[04:38] <kevin6888296> high
[04:43] <kdub> i like 'wattup'
[04:44] <kdub> but with a nasally midwestern A
[04:50] <kevin6888296> wudd-up?  or waht-up?
[04:50] <kdub> more like wahtttup
[04:50] <kevin6888296> haha
[04:50] <kevin6888296> watt-up
[04:51] <kevin6888296> sweeeet
[04:51] <kevin6888296> bzzzt
[04:57]  * MarkDude is more used to namaste with that pose :)
[04:58] <MarkDude> Then is Santa Cruz- it might also mean *hello fellow Hippie* ;)
[05:01] <kevin6888296> i don't like how "namaste" is pronounced
[05:01] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[05:01] <kevin6888296> i don't like "nahm-ah-stay"
[05:01] <kevin6888296> i like "nahm-ah-steh" or "nahm-eh-steh"
[16:34] <iheartubuntu> nice job on the ubuntu hour kevin6888296
[16:35]  * iheartubuntu is using natty without unity
[17:11] <nhaines> akgraner: wow, you're on Slashdot.  :)
[17:12] <akgraner> nah - they left out Bruce's name which is on the original submission
[17:13] <akgraner> I just thought it was a great article so I submitted it...
[17:13] <akgraner> I've only personally be /.'d twice I think :-)
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> how does one get slashdotted?
[17:19] <akgraner> people submit links to stories and some there decides if it's worthy or something
[17:19] <akgraner> s/some/someone
[17:20] <akgraner> not every story people submit make it
[17:32] <nhaines> akgraner: they never take *my* submissions.  :)
[17:50] <kdub> maybe i can figure out a way to make it to jono 's leadership summit in oregon...
[17:50] <kdub> sandiego to oregon is a lot of driving though :)
[19:29] <iheartubuntu> so anyone going to work at fukashima?
[19:32] <kevin6888296> should i bother applying?
[19:32] <kevin6888296> $100/hr
[19:32] <kevin6888296> will they pay for my flight?
[19:32] <DarkwingDuck> Doing what work??
[19:33] <kevin6888296> i didn't even bother checking
[19:33] <kevin6888296> here's the article, in japanese: http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/5480812/
[19:34] <kevin6888296> it's translating now
[19:35] <kevin6888296> The main work content " on the premises of a nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture, cleaning, work assistance and thank you. Masu Hashi protective equipment and protective clothing provided. wearing protective equipment on a paid, field will move as directed. will be around for 3 hours a day working on the thought of field workers, "and there.
[19:37] <akk> And the rest of the time sleeping on the floor and eating a lot less than they need. Conditions are very rough for those workers.
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> if the protective clothing gets in the way, im sure its optional
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> "We recommend that you carefully decide."
[19:41] <iheartubuntu> "If there is a strong will to save your world, you might also be responsible for part of a savior."
[19:48] <kevin6888296> hey iheartubuntu how's your back?  it's funny, i was doing some new exercises and now my back hurts.
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> my back isnt much better actually. i dont know what to do. i think i'll go to a chiropractor today or tomorrow.
[20:07] <iheartubuntu> i have weird sharp pains coming from my lower back shooting all around my body when i twist and turn.
[20:10] <kevin6888296> damn.  that's bad.
[20:11] <kevin6888296> sounds like it's skeletal or stretched connective tissue
[20:11] <kevin6888296> have you been taking ibuprofen?
[20:12] <kevin6888296> you could also take ibuprofen + aspirin.  i have heard drug synergy occurs.  of course, be careful with the dosage.  i personally wouldn't take more than 400mg of both.
[20:13] <kevin6888296> that is 200mg of ibuprofen and 200mg of aspirin
[20:13] <nhaines> Ibuprofen is just a muscle relaxant, so if it hasn't helped by now then something else is going on.
[20:13] <kevin6888296> blood thinner
[20:14] <nhaines> A chiropractor's probably your best bet.  If your back is out of alignment, that's something that's easy to fix.
[20:15] <kevin6888296> i heard chiropractors are as effective as placebo.
[20:20]  * iheartubuntu took 1600mg of ibu and it did nothing
[20:20] <iheartubuntu> i have pretty good luck with my chiro
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> first time i went to him he had me stand in front of a mirror and asked... see anything wrong?
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> i said nope!
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> and then he said look at your shoulders. my shoulders were about 3 inches difference in height compared to each other
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> he adjusted me and then we did it again and my shoulders were level
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> last time i went to him about 2 yrs ago. same back problem actually. his nurse did some ultra sonic on my back and it did nothing for me
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> thats why i havent really wanted to go this time
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> i mean its getting better, just really slow.
[20:24] <nhaines> Yeah, my chiropractor is really great.  He never does ultrasound by itself though.
[20:24] <kevin6888296> i'm relunctant to say it, but i bet losing that 20lbs you said you gained would probably do wonders
[20:24]  * iheartubuntu is looking for his gym card right now
[20:24] <iheartubuntu> im sure.ive actually cut back on the beer :|
[20:25] <kevin6888296> empty calories!
[20:25] <iheartubuntu> whenever im in shape, i dont need a chiro
[20:25] <iheartubuntu> and i was in pretty good shape last year until about october
[20:26] <kevin6888296> i got in "shape" about 4 years ago i think it was
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> i wish i had the time to play in a soccer league again
[20:26] <kevin6888296> well, 4 years ago i could do like 2 pull-ups, now i can do 5
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> once my wife gets her drivers license i think i'll get back into soccer
[20:26] <kevin6888296> wish some would say is pathetic...soooo
[20:27] <kevin6888296> *which
[20:27] <iheartubuntu> nhaines yah i was adjusted first then the ultrasonic.
[20:27] <iheartubuntu> nhaines ive thought many times to do some chiro classes at night. i find it very interesting
[20:28] <iheartubuntu> There is a good book i like. i should read it again... "Dr. Fulford's Touch of Life: The Healing Power of the Natural Life Force"
[20:28] <iheartubuntu> quick read, some good stretches in it too
[20:30] <nhaines> I'm not superstitious, I only go when I've actually thrown my back out of alignment and need it to be adjusted.
[20:30] <kevin6888296> iheartubuntu: have you read the 4 noble truths?
[20:31] <kevin6888296> "back out of alignment" is poorly defined in my brain
[20:31] <kevin6888296> i assume it doesn't mean "dislocated vertebrae"
[20:31] <nhaines> Pretty much.
[20:32] <kevin6888296> perhaps then it's just "muscles around the spine aren't supporting it properly"
[20:34] <nhaines> No, I think perhaps it's usually "violent movement caused dislocated vertabrae."
[20:35] <kevin6888296> so then it should show up on an x-ray
[20:35] <nhaines> Probably.
[20:35] <kevin6888296> no referal needed, ppo
[20:35] <kevin6888296> interesting
[20:35] <kevin6888296> i said doesn't
[20:36] <nhaines> No you didn't.
[20:36]  * kevin6888296 briefly wonders what a D.O. would say the problem is
[20:36] <kevin6888296> yes i did
[20:36] <nhaines> No you didn't.
[20:36] <iheartubuntu> my chiro is 50 bucks, no info needed except my phone and address
[20:37] <kevin6888296> no u
[20:37] <kevin6888296> wow, that isn't expensive at all.  i thought chiro's would be more expensive
[20:37] <iheartubuntu> i like the new hover bar for dragging up or down on empathy or web browser in natty
[20:37] <kevin6888296> i wonder how they pop dislocated vertebrae back into place...
[20:37] <kevin6888296> do they have you hang from a chinup bar?
[20:37] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: what browser do you use?
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> i was in a car accident a few years ago and did give the insurance info which covered everythign at the time
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> chrome
[20:38] <kevin6888296> that's probably what i would do if i though i had dislocated vertebrae
[20:38] <nhaines> kevin6888296: they put you on a table and stretch your your spinal column until it realigns.
[20:38] <kevin6888296> *thought
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> wait i dont get that in chomre
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> chrome
[20:38] <kevin6888296> they put you on...*the rack*
[20:39] <kevin6888296> cooool
[20:39] <kevin6888296> don't get what in chrome iheartubuntu ?
[20:39] <iheartubuntu> i like the apps in chrome even though they are just huge weblinks for the most part
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> i didnt have to pay 50 in chrome
[20:41] <kevin6888296> that's good
[20:42] <kevin6888296> waits on ankles, hang, "aligns" back
[20:42] <kevin6888296> save $50?
[20:42] <kevin6888296> *weights
[20:43] <kevin6888296> hey, that gave me an idea.  that must be how these guys can do like 45 pull ups.  they use weights.
[20:43] <kevin6888296> should've known
[20:43]  * kevin6888296 walks off a pier
[20:47] <kevin6888296> whoa, this is cool:  http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/investing-in-worlds-largest-solar-power.html
[20:48] <iheartubuntu> there was a news article a few years ago saying that my local walmart had gone 80% solar
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> you can see the entire walmart from the 57 freeway heading south (just south of the 210) and there is not one solar panel on the roof or on any of the property
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> what a scam
[20:50] <iheartubuntu> the only thing they could have done is bought power generated by solar, which they didnt state
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> my electric bill rarely tops $20 a month. its mostly around $15, so solar wouldnt make too much sense for me, unless i was a renegade and wanted to detach from all gov sponsored programs (which i do)
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> ive got all the parts for a vertical axis wind turbine... just need to build it. im interested to see how much (or how little) electricity i get from it
[21:01] <kevin6888296> wind turbine?  that's sound like 300 lbs of awesome
[21:01] <kevin6888296> how heavy is it?
[21:01] <kevin6888296> i just thought the solar tower thing was cool
[21:02] <kevin6888296> i had speculated on using mirror technology like 2 years ago, but of course, nobody i knew neither cared enough nor had the time to discuss it
[21:02] <kevin6888296> and i don't have a laboratory...sooo
[21:02] <kevin6888296> should've invested in one when i had the $
[21:02] <kevin6888296> bigons
[21:03]  * kevin6888296 is making french fries
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> you can build a VAWT on the cheap. lots of people are doing it. look around youtube for VAWT
[21:03] <kevin6888296> i was thinking about Jono, and how everybody loves Bacon.
[21:04] <kevin6888296> and i thought i should change my last name to "Potato"
[21:04] <kevin6888296> then i could go by "Mr. Potato"
[21:04] <kevin6888296> i only have $200
[21:04] <kevin6888296> and i need to be thrifty with it, hopefully i get a job before it's all gone
[21:04]  * kevin6888296 smiles
[21:07] <iheartubuntu> people are making VAWTs from rain gutters, PVC piping, you name it
[21:07] <kevin6888296> interesting, PVC piping
[21:07] <kevin6888296> how much did yours cost iheartubuntu ?
[21:08] <kevin6888296> i'll tell Juli
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXYUBNpa4Hg
[21:09] <iheartubuntu> that one can produce 3Kw
[21:09] <iheartubuntu> with almost no breeze
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> here is another making about 2200kw a month... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeTuAaC1JVo
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> just youtube VAWT or vertical axis wind turbine
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> lots of good ideas spinning around
[21:12] <kdub> i'm sure the HOA would love that
[21:13] <iheartubuntu> you can of course make smaller ones
[21:14] <iheartubuntu> put a smaller one on the garage or something.
[21:14] <kevin6888296> yeah, i just remembered, Juli rents
[21:14] <kevin6888296> we would have to rent from green landlords
[21:14] <iheartubuntu> i have a huge steel pipe in my backyard. no idea what it was once used for (a hitching post?)... im going to hook mine up on top of it
[21:15] <kevin6888296> that would be cool with putting a wind turbine on the roof, there really is no other place to put it on this lot
[21:15] <kevin6888296> how many bedroom's is your house iheartubuntu ?
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> only two right nowe
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> now
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> im expanding
[21:22] <kevin6888296> on the roof wouldn't be copasetic though
[21:22] <kevin6888296> expanding how?  i haven't followed your 1914 blog in awhile iheartubuntu
[21:25] <iheartubuntu> i actually havent done much there in a while :)
[21:25] <iheartubuntu> my strawberries are coming in
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> big juicy red
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> cant wait
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> peaches are coming in
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> just picked 3 cabbages yesterday
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> big ones too im guessing 3 lbs each one
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> such a nice day yesterday
[21:27]  * iheartubuntu is starting to like natty
[21:27] <kevin6888296> coooool
[21:35] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: what do you like about it?
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> about yesterday?
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> ohh where do i begin
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> the birds chirping
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the cat flip flopping on the warm walkway
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the puffy clouds above the mountain tops
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the snow on mt baldy
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> the ice cream truck playing nursery rhymes from an 8-track
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> ohh you mean natty
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> its very clean and polished
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> with a the super key commands i was unhappy. i had them in compiz before, and never used them since i moused around
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> super keys are nice
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> i meant... without the superkeys i was unhappy using natty
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> actually, even with the superkeys, its still an extra step to get to another workspace
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> superkeys make it easier, but id still prefer a place to mouse over and pick my workspace
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> right now i miss being able to add things to the panel
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> and id be worried about increasing key commands with subsequent ubuntu releases
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> its just easier to mouse to where u need to go IMO
[21:47] <seidos> i want to be able to issue voice commands to my system
[21:47] <seidos> typing is so...archaic
[21:48] <nhaines> I always use Ctl-Alt-arrow to switch workspaces.
[21:48] <seidos> especially with joint pain in the wrist
[21:48] <seidos> same here
[21:48] <seidos> keyboard shortcuts are an improvement
[21:48] <seidos> i should download the most recent natty iso, last one i tried wouldn't run
[21:49] <seidos> ironically, i suspect at some point my notebook will get stuck at some release, and no longer be able to run the latest and greatest version
[21:53] <akk> That's normal.
[21:57] <iheartubuntu> Im doing super+S to see my workspaces
[22:03] <seidos> i should be planning for this inevitably
[22:03] <seidos> perhaps frequenting my favorite old hardware blog
[22:03] <seidos> moving more and more things to the terminal would probably be a good idea
[22:10] <iheartubuntu> if your system works, you probably dont need to do anything, right?
[22:20] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: probably.