| mikedep334 | ChinnoDog: video acceleration & 3D acceleration are handled by separate processors | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| mikedep334 | video acceleration is going to be restored soon | 00:16 |
| mikedep334 | 3D acceleration is only in the form of OpenGL ES. It is an almost complete subset of the features of OpenGL; it is intended for embedded devices. Even the PS3 uses it. | 00:17 |
| mikedep334 | however, 3d apps have to be ported over | 00:17 |
| mikedep334 | *regular OpenGL apps have to be ported over | 00:17 |
| mikedep334 | reportedly Natty will help with that a lot | 00:18 |
| ChinnoDog | Right. | 00:18 |
| ChinnoDog | I wonder why there isn't a translation layer. | 00:18 |
| mikedep334 | ChinnoDog: you volunteering ;) | 00:18 |
| mikedep334 | actually, I don't know | 00:18 |
| ChinnoDog | No, not unless that accomplishes something huge. | 00:18 |
| mikedep334 | traditionally opengl es SoC's did not have very powerful CPU cores | 00:19 |
| ChinnoDog | It shouldn't be hard. I bet the API is similar. | 00:19 |
| mikedep334 | so that may not have been feasible | 00:19 |
| ChinnoDog | Right, but they were bound to catch up | 00:19 |
| ChinnoDog | Now all we need is an opengl library that makes ES calls | 00:19 |
| mikedep334 | ChinnoDog: the HUGE boost in embedded processing power was in 2009 or so when ARM Cortex A8 devices like the beagleboard, iPhone 3GS, motorola Droid, etc hit the market | 00:20 |
| mikedep334 | the cortex A8 & A9 both run the ARMv7 instruction set | 00:20 |
| mikedep334 | the old ARM11 CPUs were ARMv6, ARM9's were ARMv5 | 00:20 |
| mikedep334 | anyway, compared to the ARM11, a cortex A8 core had about 125% more processing power for the same mhz | 00:21 |
| mikedep334 | like a 4/9 ratio | 00:21 |
| mikedep334 | a 600 mhz ARM11 CPU was equivalent to a Pentium 3 of about 2/3 the mhz, so effectively 400mhz | 00:22 |
| mikedep334 | a 600 mhz ARM cortex A8 CPU was eqivalent to a pentium 3 of about 3/2 the mhz, so effectively 900mhz | 00:22 |
| mikedep334 | in addition to that, virtually all the cortex A8's that came out ran at higher mhz anyway | 00:22 |
| ChinnoDog | If the systems are based on the same SoCs I don't understand why there aren't implementation stnadards | 00:23 |
| ChinnoDog | All you have to do is get Ubuntu working well on one of them and it becomes the standard, right? | 00:23 |
| ChinnoDog | at least, for Ubuntu support | 00:23 |
| mikedep334 | the equivalent of a P3 at 900 mhz (or 1200 mhz for the 800mhz Cortex A8 efikamx), may not sound very powerful. However, Android is efficient at resource usage. | 00:23 |
| mikedep334 | ChinnoDog: there are dozens of SoC's | 00:24 |
| mikedep334 | and they don't have BIOS chips | 00:24 |
| mikedep334 | or anything like a BIOS that is standardized | 00:24 |
| mikedep334 | an SoC = system-on-a-chip | 00:24 |
| mikedep334 | the (ARM) CPU core is just part of that | 00:24 |
| mikedep334 | let me find a diagram | 00:24 |
| ChinnoDog | You named 3 earlier, I assumed there were just a few mainstream ones in use | 00:25 |
| ChinnoDog | No need. I understand | 00:25 |
| mikedep334 | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/maxtech_1010/chart_full.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/can_intel_compete_mobile_arms_race&usg=__F_VUvqPiwMoNI4iP0GqVUhnPaK0=&h=728&w=1200&sz=277&hl=en&start=0&sig2=xfPA7w_b0c60Loz2selyhQ&zoom=1&tbnid=BZ-_wbunX4ZffM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=238&ei=UjyiTc68FcX30gGLpP3ICQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dqualcomm%2Bsoc%2Bdiagram%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26 | 00:25 |
| mikedep334 | safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1270%26bih%3D1294%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=392&oei=UjyiTc68FcX30gGLpP3ICQ&page=1&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=159&ty=52 | 00:25 |
| PennBot` | Title: Google Image Result for http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/maxtech_1010/chart_full.jpg (at www.google.com) | 00:25 |
| mikedep334 | there's a nice powerful OMAP4 SoC by TI | 00:25 |
| mikedep334 | in fact, qualcomm's SoC, the snapdragon, is amazing | 00:26 |
| mikedep334 | the current/old generation, like in my nexus one, has so much on one SoC, a single chip | 00:26 |
| mikedep334 | a 1ghz Cortex-A8, 512MB RAM, 512MB flash, 3D GPU, a DSP for audio & 720P video, a wi-fi controller, a bluetooth controller & a 3G controller | 00:27 |
| mikedep334 | plus lots of smaller stuff like an interface to an SDHC card | 00:27 |
| mikedep334 | and USB | 00:28 |
| === calvin is now known as MutantTurkey | ||
| ChinnoDog | gobble gobble | 03:44 |
| === calvin is now known as MutantTurkey | ||
| mikedep334 | ChinnoDog: woof woof | 04:10 |
| ChinnoDog | :-) | 04:11 |
| mikedep334 | sigh, a good free/freeware keyboard is needed for Android 2.x tablets | 04:12 |
| mikedep334 | software keyboard that is | 04:13 |
| ChinnoDog | no swype? | 04:13 |
| ChinnoDog | I guess that would be a pretty big swype. You'd be flailing your arms. | 04:13 |
| mikedep334 | ChinnoDog: actually, I should install swype | 04:14 |
| mikedep334 | I forgot about that | 04:14 |
| mikedep334 | I just looked at the clones in the market and saw that they all were trials or cost money | 04:14 |
| ChinnoDog | good_and_free++ | 04:15 |
| JonathanD | Monring PA. | 11:26 |
| JonathanD | erm, morning. | 11:26 |
| InHisName | Morning again JonathanD | 11:27 |
| JonathanD | Howdy InHisName | 11:28 |
| * ChinnoDog yawns | 14:06 | |
| * teddy-dbear hugs ChinnoDog | 14:11 | |
| ChinnoDog | uh, thanks | 15:30 |
| ChinnoDog | knightzero: wb | 15:35 |
| ChinnoDog | What is the cheapest Ubuntu netbook I could possibly buy that is Ubuntu compatible? | 19:01 |
| ChinnoDog | oh. That was redundant | 19:01 |
| ChinnoDog | You know what I mean | 19:01 |
| JonathanD | The cheapest ubuntu running ubuntu laptop that is ubuntu compatible with ubuntu. | 19:02 |
| ChinnoDog | Do sub $100 netbooks exist that will run Ubuntu? | 19:11 |
| JonathanD | If you find one, I'll buy one too. | 19:11 |
| jedijf | 199 | 19:12 |
| jedijf | acers | 19:12 |
| jedijf | refurb'd microcenter...ready in 18 minutes | 19:12 |
| jedijf | x21's from 7.50 up | 19:13 |
| jedijf | almost a netbook ^ | 19:13 |
| jedijf | http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4UYLS3.html | 19:14 |
| PennBot` | Title: Lenovo Support - Specifications - ThinkPad X21 (at www-307.ibm.com) | 19:14 |
| jedijf | that's the van pc ^^^^ | 19:14 |
| JonathanD | jedijf: who still sells those? | 19:15 |
| ChinnoDog | x21? I don't see any cheap refurb netbooks at microcenter. | 19:15 |
| jedijf | not the x21 anymore, i have the only stock that i know of left | 19:26 |
| jedijf | acers at microcenter for 199 | 19:27 |
| jedijf | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0360444 | 19:28 |
| ChinnoDog | That is still >$200 | 19:43 |
| ChinnoDog | There are netbooks on geeks.com for <$200 | 19:43 |
| jedijf | get that 159 one | 19:59 |
| ChinnoDog | Comes with 8.04. lol | 20:03 |
| ChinnoDog | Since it is old that means it should be well supported, right? | 20:03 |
| ChinnoDog | I wonder how many people a person has to have friended on facebook before it becomes normal for some of them to no longer be alive without you knowing it. | 21:00 |
| rhpot1991 | did the camping trip date get set yet? | 21:13 |
| ChinnoDog | PennBot`: camping? | 22:20 |
| PennBot` | Somebody said camping is TOMORROW if anyone still wants in, ChinnoDog | 22:20 |
| ChinnoDog | PennBot` is probably not correct about that | 22:21 |
| JonathanD | I don't think it's tomorrow | 22:21 |
| PennBot` | Wish I knew. | 22:21 |
| ChinnoDog | PennBot`: forget camping | 22:21 |
| PennBot` | I hear ya. | 22:21 |
| JonathanD | PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 | 22:21 |
| PennBot` | I hear ya! | 22:22 |
| JonathanD | PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th | 22:22 |
| PennBot` | I don't know. | 22:22 |
| JonathanD | PennBot`: forget camping | 22:22 |
| PennBot` | Okay, JonathanD. | 22:22 |
| JonathanD | PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th | 22:22 |
| PennBot` | 10-4, JonathanD. | 22:22 |
| JonathanD | rhpot1991: yes. | 22:22 |
| JonathanD | See above | 22:22 |
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