[00:16] ChinnoDog: video acceleration & 3D acceleration are handled by separate processors [00:16] video acceleration is going to be restored soon [00:17] 3D acceleration is only in the form of OpenGL ES. It is an almost complete subset of the features of OpenGL; it is intended for embedded devices. Even the PS3 uses it. [00:17] however, 3d apps have to be ported over [00:17] *regular OpenGL apps have to be ported over [00:18] reportedly Natty will help with that a lot [00:18] Right. [00:18] I wonder why there isn't a translation layer. [00:18] ChinnoDog: you volunteering ;) [00:18] actually, I don't know [00:18] No, not unless that accomplishes something huge. [00:19] traditionally opengl es SoC's did not have very powerful CPU cores [00:19] It shouldn't be hard. I bet the API is similar. [00:19] so that may not have been feasible [00:19] Right, but they were bound to catch up [00:19] Now all we need is an opengl library that makes ES calls [00:20] ChinnoDog: the HUGE boost in embedded processing power was in 2009 or so when ARM Cortex A8 devices like the beagleboard, iPhone 3GS, motorola Droid, etc hit the market [00:20] the cortex A8 & A9 both run the ARMv7 instruction set [00:20] the old ARM11 CPUs were ARMv6, ARM9's were ARMv5 [00:21] anyway, compared to the ARM11, a cortex A8 core had about 125% more processing power for the same mhz [00:21] like a 4/9 ratio [00:22] a 600 mhz ARM11 CPU was equivalent to a Pentium 3 of about 2/3 the mhz, so effectively 400mhz [00:22] a 600 mhz ARM cortex A8 CPU was eqivalent to a pentium 3 of about 3/2 the mhz, so effectively 900mhz [00:22] in addition to that, virtually all the cortex A8's that came out ran at higher mhz anyway [00:23] If the systems are based on the same SoCs I don't understand why there aren't implementation stnadards [00:23] All you have to do is get Ubuntu working well on one of them and it becomes the standard, right? [00:23] at least, for Ubuntu support [00:23] the equivalent of a P3 at 900 mhz (or 1200 mhz for the 800mhz Cortex A8 efikamx), may not sound very powerful. However, Android is efficient at resource usage. [00:24] ChinnoDog: there are dozens of SoC's [00:24] and they don't have BIOS chips [00:24] or anything like a BIOS that is standardized [00:24] an SoC = system-on-a-chip [00:24] the (ARM) CPU core is just part of that [00:24] let me find a diagram [00:25] You named 3 earlier, I assumed there were just a few mainstream ones in use [00:25] No need. I understand [00:25] http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/maxtech_1010/chart_full.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/can_intel_compete_mobile_arms_race&usg=__F_VUvqPiwMoNI4iP0GqVUhnPaK0=&h=728&w=1200&sz=277&hl=en&start=0&sig2=xfPA7w_b0c60Loz2selyhQ&zoom=1&tbnid=BZ-_wbunX4ZffM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=238&ei=UjyiTc68FcX30gGLpP3ICQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dqualcomm%2Bsoc%2Bdiagram%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26 [00:25] safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1270%26bih%3D1294%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=392&oei=UjyiTc68FcX30gGLpP3ICQ&page=1&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=159&ty=52 [00:25] Title: Google Image Result for http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/maxtech_1010/chart_full.jpg (at www.google.com) [00:25] there's a nice powerful OMAP4 SoC by TI [00:26] in fact, qualcomm's SoC, the snapdragon, is amazing [00:26] the current/old generation, like in my nexus one, has so much on one SoC, a single chip [00:27] a 1ghz Cortex-A8, 512MB RAM, 512MB flash, 3D GPU, a DSP for audio & 720P video, a wi-fi controller, a bluetooth controller & a 3G controller [00:27] plus lots of smaller stuff like an interface to an SDHC card [00:28] and USB === calvin is now known as MutantTurkey [03:44] gobble gobble === calvin is now known as MutantTurkey [04:10] ChinnoDog: woof woof [04:11] :-) [04:12] sigh, a good free/freeware keyboard is needed for Android 2.x tablets [04:13] software keyboard that is [04:13] no swype? [04:13] I guess that would be a pretty big swype. You'd be flailing your arms. [04:14] ChinnoDog: actually, I should install swype [04:14] I forgot about that [04:14] I just looked at the clones in the market and saw that they all were trials or cost money [04:15] good_and_free++ [11:26] Monring PA. [11:26] erm, morning. [11:27] Morning again JonathanD [11:28] Howdy InHisName [14:06] * ChinnoDog yawns [14:11] * teddy-dbear hugs ChinnoDog [15:30] uh, thanks [15:35] knightzero: wb [19:01] What is the cheapest Ubuntu netbook I could possibly buy that is Ubuntu compatible? [19:01] oh. That was redundant [19:01] You know what I mean [19:02] The cheapest ubuntu running ubuntu laptop that is ubuntu compatible with ubuntu. [19:11] Do sub $100 netbooks exist that will run Ubuntu? [19:11] If you find one, I'll buy one too. [19:12] 199 [19:12] acers [19:12] refurb'd microcenter...ready in 18 minutes [19:13] x21's from 7.50 up [19:13] almost a netbook ^ [19:14] http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4UYLS3.html [19:14] Title: Lenovo Support - Specifications - ThinkPad X21 (at www-307.ibm.com) [19:14] that's the van pc ^^^^ [19:15] jedijf: who still sells those? [19:15] x21? I don't see any cheap refurb netbooks at microcenter. [19:26] not the x21 anymore, i have the only stock that i know of left [19:27] acers at microcenter for 199 [19:28] http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0360444 [19:43] That is still >$200 [19:43] There are netbooks on geeks.com for <$200 [19:59] get that 159 one [20:03] Comes with 8.04. lol [20:03] Since it is old that means it should be well supported, right? [21:00] I wonder how many people a person has to have friended on facebook before it becomes normal for some of them to no longer be alive without you knowing it. [21:13] did the camping trip date get set yet? [22:20] PennBot`: camping? [22:20] Somebody said camping is TOMORROW if anyone still wants in, ChinnoDog [22:21] PennBot` is probably not correct about that [22:21] I don't think it's tomorrow [22:21] Wish I knew. [22:21] PennBot`: forget camping [22:21] I hear ya. [22:21] PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 [22:22] I hear ya! [22:22] PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th [22:22] I don't know. [22:22] PennBot`: forget camping [22:22] Okay, JonathanD. [22:22] PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th [22:22] 10-4, JonathanD. [22:22] rhpot1991: yes. [22:22] See above