[00:16] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: video acceleration & 3D acceleration are handled by separate processors
[00:16] <mikedep334> video acceleration is going to be restored soon
[00:17] <mikedep334> 3D acceleration is only in the form of OpenGL ES. It is an almost complete subset of the features of OpenGL; it is intended for embedded devices. Even the PS3 uses it.
[00:17] <mikedep334> however, 3d apps have to be ported over
[00:17] <mikedep334> *regular OpenGL apps have to be ported over
[00:18] <mikedep334> reportedly Natty will help with that a lot
[00:18] <ChinnoDog> Right.
[00:18] <ChinnoDog> I wonder why there isn't a translation layer.
[00:18] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: you volunteering ;)
[00:18] <mikedep334> actually, I don't know
[00:18] <ChinnoDog> No, not unless that accomplishes something huge.
[00:19] <mikedep334> traditionally opengl es SoC's did not have very powerful CPU cores
[00:19] <ChinnoDog> It shouldn't be hard. I bet the API is similar.
[00:19] <mikedep334> so that may not have been feasible
[00:19] <ChinnoDog> Right, but they were bound to catch up
[00:19] <ChinnoDog> Now all we need is an opengl library that makes ES calls
[00:20] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: the HUGE boost in embedded processing power was in 2009 or so when ARM Cortex A8 devices like the beagleboard, iPhone 3GS, motorola Droid, etc hit the market
[00:20] <mikedep334> the cortex A8 & A9 both run the ARMv7 instruction set
[00:20] <mikedep334> the old ARM11 CPUs were ARMv6, ARM9's were ARMv5
[00:21] <mikedep334> anyway, compared to the ARM11, a cortex A8 core had about 125% more processing power for the same mhz
[00:21] <mikedep334> like a 4/9 ratio
[00:22] <mikedep334> a 600 mhz ARM11 CPU was equivalent to a Pentium 3 of about 2/3 the mhz, so effectively 400mhz
[00:22] <mikedep334> a 600 mhz ARM cortex A8 CPU was eqivalent to a pentium 3 of about 3/2 the mhz, so effectively 900mhz
[00:22] <mikedep334> in addition to that, virtually all the cortex A8's that came out ran at higher mhz anyway
[00:23] <ChinnoDog> If the systems are based on the same SoCs I don't understand why there aren't implementation stnadards
[00:23] <ChinnoDog> All you have to do is get Ubuntu working well on one of them and it becomes the standard, right?
[00:23] <ChinnoDog> at least, for Ubuntu support
[00:23] <mikedep334> the equivalent of a P3 at 900 mhz (or 1200 mhz for the 800mhz Cortex A8 efikamx), may not sound very powerful. However, Android is efficient at resource usage.
[00:24] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: there are dozens of SoC's
[00:24] <mikedep334> and they don't have BIOS chips
[00:24] <mikedep334> or anything like a BIOS that is standardized
[00:24] <mikedep334> an SoC = system-on-a-chip
[00:24] <mikedep334> the (ARM) CPU core is just part of that
[00:24] <mikedep334> let me find a diagram
[00:25] <ChinnoDog> You named 3 earlier, I assumed there were just a few mainstream ones in use
[00:25] <ChinnoDog> No need. I understand
[00:25] <mikedep334> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/maxtech_1010/chart_full.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/can_intel_compete_mobile_arms_race&usg=__F_VUvqPiwMoNI4iP0GqVUhnPaK0=&h=728&w=1200&sz=277&hl=en&start=0&sig2=xfPA7w_b0c60Loz2selyhQ&zoom=1&tbnid=BZ-_wbunX4ZffM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=238&ei=UjyiTc68FcX30gGLpP3ICQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dqualcomm%2Bsoc%2Bdiagram%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26
[00:25] <mikedep334> safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1270%26bih%3D1294%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=392&oei=UjyiTc68FcX30gGLpP3ICQ&page=1&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=159&ty=52
[00:25] <PennBot`> Title: Google Image Result for http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/maxtech_1010/chart_full.jpg (at www.google.com)
[00:25] <mikedep334> there's a nice powerful OMAP4 SoC by TI
[00:26] <mikedep334> in fact, qualcomm's SoC, the snapdragon, is amazing
[00:26] <mikedep334> the current/old generation, like in my nexus one, has so much on one SoC, a single chip
[00:27] <mikedep334> a 1ghz Cortex-A8, 512MB RAM, 512MB flash, 3D GPU, a DSP for audio & 720P video, a wi-fi controller, a bluetooth controller & a 3G controller
[00:27] <mikedep334> plus lots of smaller stuff like an interface to an SDHC card
[00:28] <mikedep334> and USB
[03:44] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[04:10] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: woof woof
[04:11] <ChinnoDog> :-)
[04:12] <mikedep334> sigh, a good free/freeware keyboard is needed for Android 2.x tablets
[04:13] <mikedep334> software keyboard that is
[04:13] <ChinnoDog> no swype?
[04:13] <ChinnoDog> I guess that would be a pretty big swype. You'd be flailing your arms.
[04:14] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: actually, I should install swype
[04:14] <mikedep334> I forgot about that
[04:14] <mikedep334> I just looked at the clones in the market and saw that they all were trials or cost money
[04:15] <ChinnoDog> good_and_free++
[11:26] <JonathanD> Monring PA.
[11:26] <JonathanD> erm, morning.
[11:27] <InHisName> Morning again JonathanD
[11:28] <JonathanD> Howdy InHisName
[14:06]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[14:11]  * teddy-dbear hugs ChinnoDog
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> uh, thanks
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> knightzero: wb
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> What is the cheapest Ubuntu netbook I could possibly buy that is Ubuntu compatible?
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> oh. That was redundant
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> You know what I mean
[19:02] <JonathanD> The cheapest ubuntu running ubuntu laptop that is ubuntu compatible with ubuntu.
[19:11] <ChinnoDog> Do sub $100 netbooks exist that will run Ubuntu?
[19:11] <JonathanD> If you find one, I'll buy one too.
[19:12] <jedijf> 199
[19:12] <jedijf> acers
[19:12] <jedijf> refurb'd microcenter...ready in 18 minutes
[19:13] <jedijf> x21's from 7.50 up
[19:13] <jedijf> almost a netbook ^
[19:14] <jedijf> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4UYLS3.html
[19:14] <PennBot`> Title: Lenovo Support - Specifications - ThinkPad X21 (at www-307.ibm.com)
[19:14] <jedijf> that's the van pc ^^^^
[19:15] <JonathanD> jedijf: who still sells those?
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> x21? I don't see any cheap refurb netbooks at microcenter.
[19:26] <jedijf> not the x21 anymore, i have the only stock that i know of left
[19:27] <jedijf> acers at microcenter for 199
[19:28] <jedijf> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0360444
[19:43] <ChinnoDog> That is still >$200
[19:43] <ChinnoDog> There are netbooks on geeks.com for <$200
[19:59] <jedijf> get that 159 one
[20:03] <ChinnoDog> Comes with 8.04. lol
[20:03] <ChinnoDog> Since it is old that means it should be well supported, right?
[21:00] <ChinnoDog> I wonder how many people a person has to have friended on facebook before it becomes normal for some of them to no longer be alive without you knowing it.
[21:13] <rhpot1991> did the camping trip date get set yet?
[22:20] <ChinnoDog> PennBot`: camping?
[22:20] <PennBot`> Somebody said camping is TOMORROW if anyone still wants in, ChinnoDog
[22:21] <ChinnoDog> PennBot` is probably not correct about that
[22:21] <JonathanD> I don't think it's tomorrow
[22:21] <PennBot`> Wish I knew.
[22:21] <ChinnoDog> PennBot`: forget camping
[22:21] <PennBot`> I hear ya.
[22:21] <JonathanD> PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144
[22:22] <PennBot`> I hear ya!
[22:22] <JonathanD> PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th
[22:22] <PennBot`> I don't know.
[22:22] <JonathanD> PennBot`: forget camping
[22:22] <PennBot`> Okay, JonathanD.
[22:22] <JonathanD> PennBot`: camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th
[22:22] <PennBot`> 10-4, JonathanD.
[22:22] <JonathanD> rhpot1991: yes.
[22:22] <JonathanD> See above