[00:05] <vychune> whatcha doing
[00:06] <cyberanger> downloading the beta again
[00:07] <vychune> why?
[00:07] <cyberanger> I removed the image after I burned it, left that disc at work
[00:08] <vychune> ohhhh
[00:08] <vychune> bummer
[00:08] <cyberanger> and with the new beta about it hit, helps to have a current image nearby
[00:08] <cyberanger> for zsync or jigdo
[00:08] <cyberanger> (or even a torrent really)
[00:08] <vychune> true true
[00:12] <cyberanger> and after that, usually the final release is only 30mb of changes, which is extremely quick to grab
[00:13] <cyberanger> 5mb of jigdo data and nobody touching the archive mirrors much
[00:13] <vychune> hm
[00:14] <cyberanger> just usual apt-get stuff (and so many people burn a disc to reinstall, and even then, most ignore the mirrors, leave their /etc/apt/sources.list file stock, archive.ubuntu.com suffers, RIT, MIT, UTK, so many ignored mirrors)
[00:15] <vychune> wait UTK has a mirrior?
[00:16] <cyberanger> well, had, for sure, forget if they've kept it going right
[00:16] <cyberanger> GA Tech does
[00:16] <cyberanger> usually a little better from chatt.
[00:17] <vychune> oh ok
[00:18] <cyberanger> and the best is mirror.anl.gov in chicago, usually
[00:18] <cyberanger> fatter pipe offsets the distance through more routers
[00:19] <vychune> good to know
[00:20] <cyberanger> it's a per connection thing, but that seems to hold for most of TN
[00:20] <vychune> ok hen
[00:20] <vychune> *then
[00:21] <cyberanger> my connections in hotspots over most of the state, that's what I saw
[00:23] <cyberanger> vychune: jigdo and zsync really do come in handy though
[00:23] <cyberanger> I had maverick before most of the mirrors due to that
[00:23] <cyberanger> and I bet before any US based one
[00:23] <vychune> i usually dont download i order the cd when i want one
[00:24] <chris4585> vychune, did you hear they retired that service?
[00:24] <vychune> oh crap
[00:24] <chris4585> shipit wont be around after 11.04
[00:24] <vychune> well i guess ill dish out the 15 bucks next time then
[00:24] <cyberanger> you can buy to ship it
[00:25] <cyberanger> just the annoyingly named 'shipit' is kaput
[00:25] <cyberanger> and approved locos are taking that up
[00:25] <cyberanger> and I knew there was something else for the meeting, that was it
[00:25] <chris4585> ah yeah
[00:26] <vychune> \cool
[00:26] <vychune> brb hungry
[13:50] <Xpistos> what  up err body
[13:51] <wrst> hey Xpistos
[14:48] <Xpistos> hey how can I put an FTP share in my fstab?
[14:51] <wrst> UGH Xpistos i don't know never done that before but i bet cyberanger has
[14:53] <wrst> Xpistos: there appears to be a package called curlftpfs that enables you to do this
[14:54] <Xpistos> i found that but I can't seem to get it correct
[14:54] <Xpistos> ultimately what I want is I am getting away from dropbox and using my ftp share, but I want it to rsync when I login
[14:57] <wrst> hmm Xpistos dropbox is too easy for me to get away from :)
[14:58] <Xpistos> I wish they would get that sparkle share thing running
[19:46] <wrst> hello again pace_t_zulu :)
[20:11] <Xpistos> hey pace_t_zulu
[20:27] <cyberanger> never used ftp like that, plaintext
[20:30] <wrst> good afternoon cyberanger
[20:31] <wrst> and afternoon Kurisu_Yamato
[20:31] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[20:33] <wrst> how are you doing pace_t_zulu?
[20:34] <pace_t_zulu> ok wrst , you?
[20:34] <wrst> doing well pace_t_zulu have you tried out gnome3/shell?
[20:35] <pace_t_zulu> wrst, not yet, you?
[20:35] <wrst> yes pace_t_zulu i'm living it
[20:35] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: how does it compare with unity in your mind?
[20:36] <wrst> much better pace_t_zulu
[20:36] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: any hardware issues you had to resolve before it worked?
[20:37] <wrst> no pace_t_zulu i did an upgrade on arch linux from gnome 2.32
[20:37] <wrst> had a small issue where a gnome 2 config was messing with gnome 3 but a quick google fixed that
[20:38] <pace_t_zulu> that'll probably get fixed by a point update
[20:39] <wrst> yes but pace_t_zulu unity is ok but gnome shell i think is better i like their ideas and really sets them apart from mac interface or windows
[20:39] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'm underwhelmed by unity
[20:40] <pace_t_zulu> there are good ideas there, but it is not yet an improvement on gnome 2.x
[20:40] <wrst> yes if i continue using ubuntu when 11.04 comes out i will probably use gnome 3 from the ppa
[20:40] <wrst> no pace_t_zulu its not
[20:41] <wrst> i thought unity was pretty good until i used gnome shell
[20:41] <wrst> not to say unity can't be that good
[20:47] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: how is gnome shell's performance compared to unity
[20:47] <pace_t_zulu> more or less responsive?
[20:50] <wrst> more responsive i think, but i am running it on arch and arch by nature is a lean distro but i have it up to the same functionality of an ubuntu install so won't be a lot of difference
[20:50] <wrst> but clutter, while not as fancy, just feels quicker than compiz
[20:59] <cyberanger> afternoon wrst
[20:59] <wrst> hello cyberanger how you doing?
[21:01] <cyberanger> pretty good, drawing up some carputer blueprints
[21:05] <wrst> ahh a carputer... interesting
[21:06] <cyberanger> I think I've gone overboard already
[21:06] <cyberanger> to some extent
[21:06] <wrst> cyberanger: that much does not surprise me ;)
[21:07] <cyberanger> just sounds like me huh
[21:09] <wrst> slightly ;)
[21:10] <cyberanger> esp. since I don't have a car
[21:12] <cyberanger> but I figured that my cell does most of what I'd need in a carputer, outside of ham radio
[21:12] <cyberanger> I focused it on red cross and ARES work
[21:13] <wrst> cyberanger: i have found with my phone i can do about anything thats needed for mobility's sake
[21:13] <wrst> hello nameless
[21:13] <cyberanger> hello nameless
[21:14] <pace_t_zulu> so you guys greet this 'nameless' guy and not me?
[21:14] <pace_t_zulu> ;P
[21:14] <cyberanger> wrst: true, that's why I focused on goals where the phone was at aloss
[21:14] <wrst> ha pace_t_zulu your not a visitor :)
[21:14] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: we greeted you a few times, your join&quit rate made me wonder if you were afk on a bad link
[21:15] <wrst> but pace_t_zulu i think unity has promise but after seeing gnome shell i think unity may be stuck in the past just a little bit
[21:15] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger... dealing with connectivity
[21:15] <pace_t_zulu> 'nameless' is me ... for diagnostic purposes
[21:15] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: understand that, done that myself
[21:15] <wrst> well hello there nameless ;)
[21:16] <nameless> hi
[21:16] <cyberanger> 20k iden celluar connection was the last time, kinda poinless what I tried doing
[21:16] <cyberanger> over itthough
[21:17] <cyberanger> wrst: there are limits with the cell phone, but it's almost entirely an issue of interfacing to my radios
[21:17] <wrst> ok :)
[21:18] <cyberanger> I listened to a hockey game being held in Windsor, ON, nearest station was AM in Erie, PA and I was 500+ miles further away, getting high quality sterio as I walked home, only to hear them lose
[21:18] <cyberanger> that's the power of android
[21:19] <cyberanger> (I hate this but it was more of a winner than my hockey team)
[21:20] <cyberanger> but the flaw is it's dependance on celluar networks
[21:21] <wrst> well if they had been on a clear channel AM and it was night you might could have gotten it over the air? :)
[21:22] <cyberanger> I had GPS tracker on me, trying to map the area, and it's a lot of dead bits
[21:22] <cyberanger> not huge in area, exactly, but enough to trip tcp up, so the XM app over the XM tuner, I'd grab thetuner
[21:23] <cyberanger> pittsburgh drowns it out (I've tried ;-))
[21:23] <cyberanger> I've gotten Chicago and Pittsburgh and Buffalo
[21:23] <cyberanger> and never while mobile
[21:25] <wrst> the braves used to be on 750 out of atlanta but much closer i could pick it up like it was next door
[21:25] <cyberanger> the gps tracker I used was APRSDroid, here's the kicker, that same area, a proper APRS setup transmitting and reciving on 144.390MHz (as a ham I can) it would have beaten the cell network
[21:27] <cyberanger> yeah, too close for the sport of it though (only chattanooga in the way, and chattanooga's AM isn't really there as it is)
[21:28] <cyberanger> I'd maybe do it to say I did, but it's just to close to me
[21:29] <cyberanger> (keep in mind, downtown Dalton GA is closer than downtown chattanooga to me, the airport is barely as close as the state line)
[21:31] <cyberanger> it'd be nice for the experience anyhow, but celluar and radio is two different beasts
[21:31] <cyberanger> (cb and ham radio that is)
[21:31] <cyberanger> and that's why I decided to do this
[21:33] <pace_t_zulu> scrollbars are now black in natty.... weird
[21:33] <cyberanger> oh and it'll run ubuntu (of course ;-))
[21:34] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: wow, that is indeed weird
[21:34] <cyberanger> kinda cool to theme, but as stock, hrm
[21:35] <cyberanger> I'll have to take pictures of this
[21:49] <cyberanger> wrst: what apps do you use on your droid
[21:49] <cyberanger> and have you rooted it and changed firmware?
[21:52] <wrst> haven't rooted cyberanger, main apps are quasseldroid, irssiconnectbot along with dolphin browser
[21:52] <wrst> so cyberanger i don't use much stuff thats way out there
[21:52] <Xpistos> cyberanger: can you tell me how to add an FTP share in my fstab?
[21:55] <cyberanger> Xpistos: perhaps, but it'd be easier to tell you I've never done that (preferring sftp, over plain ftp)
[21:56] <cyberanger> lemme find out on it
[21:56] <Xpistos> well I want to rsync the share
[21:56] <cyberanger> wrst: no audio even (pandora, streamfurious, or built in)
[21:56] <cyberanger> Xpistos: ssh not an option?
[21:57] <Xpistos> Hmm, it is a godaddy account but I haven't tried?
[21:57] <Xpistos> let me see
[21:57] <cyberanger> you might need to enable first
[21:57] <wrst> cyberanger: i do use a couple of apps to listen to a radio station here and there but for the most part i'm at home or work with a computer or on the road with satellite radio
[21:57] <cyberanger> but I believe they do
[21:58] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, satellite radio has a few limitations (namely the lack of a truely portable radio, the ones I've really seen that I could get need an external antenna, great for home or car, not for bus or boots)
[21:59] <cyberanger> Xpistos: shared?
[21:59] <wrst> no certainly not
[22:00] <Xpistos> let me check it says yes
[22:00] <Xpistos> help.godaddy.com/article/4942
[22:00] <Xpistos> http://help.godaddy.com/article/4942
[22:00] <cyberanger> Xpistos: are you just wanting this for backups
[22:01] <cyberanger> weekly backups
[22:01] <Xpistos> no, i have an ftp site that I am using and need to move files back and forth
[22:01] <Xpistos> that isn't a bad idea either though. If I can automate my backups I will be giddy
[22:02] <cyberanger> godaddy is the ftp site, or the other end?
[22:03] <Xpistos> that is the FTP site
[22:03] <Xpistos> I have a dedicate hosting account with them
[22:03] <cyberanger> and ssh/sftp too
[22:04] <cyberanger> and it's dedicated, not shared then?
[22:04] <Xpistos> yes
[22:04] <Xpistos> sorry
[22:04] <Xpistos> I have a dedicated IP
[22:04] <Xpistos> force of habit
[22:06] <cyberanger> and the idea is just rsync
[22:06] <cyberanger> not a NAS type deal
[22:06] <cyberanger> either way, this appears doable
[22:07] <Xpistos> If I can boot my system and it will automagically run the rsync without me, I call it a win!
[22:07] <Xpistos> sort of a dropbox type setup
[22:07] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu_ your going to give me a seizure
[22:07] <cyberanger> rsync can go over ssh, but godaddy inhibits that, but there is another way to get the same result, with sshfs
[22:08] <cyberanger> sudo apt-get install rsync sshfs
[22:10] <Xpistos> Well according to this it will take 24-72 hours to get the SSH active.
[22:10] <cyberanger> Xpistos: then sshfs does the mounting, followed by rsync running, and unmount sshfs
[22:10] <Xpistos> that is cool
[22:11] <Xpistos> I will get with you later about getting the fstab stuff done once the ssh is good to go
[22:11] <cyberanger> ah, I see, I hate that about them, kinda slow for something automated and simplistic
[22:11] <cyberanger> Xpistos: you could setup some of the client side now
[22:12] <Xpistos> hit me with it dude
[22:12] <cyberanger> sudo apt-get install sshfs rsync
[22:13] <Xpistos> both newest version
[22:13] <cyberanger> then we need to generate a seperate ssh key (for the script) with no passphrase on it (or you'll be propted every time, not necessarlly a bad thing)
[22:13] <cyberanger> ssh-keygen -b 4096
[22:14] <cyberanger> when it askes where you want it saved, .ssh/id_godaddy
[22:14] <cyberanger> is a good choice
[22:14] <Xpistos> generating now
[22:15] <cyberanger> from here, things get a little more dependant on the server end too, so we'll leave off here
[22:28] <pace_t_zulu> sorry guys about all the connect/disconnect noise
[22:31]  * cyberanger accepts pace_t_zulu's apology, hands pace_t_zulu a peice of fiber optic cable to help
[22:35] <pace_t_zulu> apparently opendns doesn't resolve freenode.net
[22:38] <pace_t_zulu> but chat.us.freenode.net works
[22:43] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: resolving here, to 140.211.167.100
[22:44] <cyberanger> but that's their webserver, not their irc server
[22:44] <cyberanger> same as www.freenode.net
[22:45] <pace_t_zulu> sorry... irc.freenode.net
[22:45] <pace_t_zulu> opendns doesn't resolve it
[22:45] <cyberanger> here it is, CNAME chat.freenode.net
[22:46] <cyberanger> which lists all servers
[22:46] <cyberanger> are you on your home network?
[22:46] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: no
[23:53] <chris4585> I think there was a cat living in my keyboard
[23:54] <chris4585> I was a little shocked, I cleaned it out with a needle
[23:57] <wrst> ha ha chris4585
[23:58] <chris4585> I really hope they fix gnome shell to where it wont remove unity sometime soon