| ScottL | rlameiro, pong | 00:21 |
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| rlameiro | ScottL: :D hows your sunday going :D | 00:22 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: are you folowing the ml? | 00:22 |
| rlameiro | I tald Ckontros about ricardo and ana | 00:23 |
| rlameiro | maybe they can share some ideas | 00:23 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i'm keeping up a little with the list | 00:51 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, cool about ckontros, ricardo, and ana...hopefully something comes from it :) | 00:52 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: yeap :D | 00:52 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i noticed a gross error on my part in the plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio package | 04:42 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, is it too late to fix this? | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: No, but you have less tha 24 hours or so to fix it and get me a patch to upload. | 04:43 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, right, i'll do it in the morning (approximately seven hours hence) | 04:58 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i believe it to be pretty straightforward, it seems that the *.png images didn't make it into the package | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | Ok | 04:59 |
| ScottL | i suspect it was my fault, probably forgot 'bzr add' :( | 05:00 |
| ailo | ScottL, How come it worked for a while? | 05:05 |
| holstein | i like the idea of XFCE | 05:06 |
| holstein | i dont know how avant got mixed in there though | 05:06 |
| ScottL | ailo, i suspect it worked because i was using my test build from ppa | 05:06 |
| holstein | i think AWN with xfce looks like osx did | 05:06 |
| holstein | and i dont need osx functionality | 05:07 |
| holstein | but, i think i like xfce | 05:07 |
| ailo | If we go for XFCE, I would rather have something more towards gnome, more towards regular Xubuntu | 05:07 |
| holstein | yeah | 05:07 |
| holstein | i mean, if a dock is mandatory | 05:07 |
| holstein | i prefer gnome do | 05:08 |
| ailo | But, as you said holstein, all ideas are good, and we can try them out | 05:08 |
| ailo | Or, you said, you won't mind giving awn a shot | 05:08 |
| holstein | sure | 05:08 |
| holstein | it just doesnt seem optional | 05:09 |
| holstein | i would like to have an option on the table | 05:09 |
| holstein | thats just xfce | 05:09 |
| holstein | without any OSX looking crap | 05:09 |
| holstein | but, thats just me | 05:09 |
| holstein | i | 05:09 |
| holstein | ll give it a look | 05:09 |
| holstein | but, i used to run AWN | 05:10 |
| holstein | in 9.04 and 9.10 | 05:10 |
| ailo | I don't like the idea of AWN. I've tried it a while back, when I did use docks a lot, but I never thought AWN was any good | 05:10 |
| holstein | i think its too heavy | 05:10 |
| holstein | i thought it was kinda 'good' i guess | 05:10 |
| holstein | slick-ish | 05:10 |
| holstein | but, not worth the resources | 05:10 |
| ailo | Xubuntu has a nice default look | 05:10 |
| holstein | and, if you dont have 3d | 05:11 |
| ailo | But, the lower panel might be too much | 05:11 |
| holstein | then all that rendering happens on the CPU right? | 05:11 |
| ailo | Yeah, if you go for XFCE, you might as well keep it simple | 05:11 |
| holstein | i think 1 panel, kinda like we got | 05:11 |
| holstein | just xfce | 05:11 |
| ailo | Should be enough | 05:11 |
| holstein | or, some other light dock | 05:11 |
| holstein | if a dock is needed | 05:11 |
| holstein | wbar* | 05:12 |
| holstein | docky? | 05:12 |
| holstein | wbar was the one i ended up with | 05:12 |
| holstein | it was light | 05:12 |
| ailo | Docky is what is part of gnome do. Docky works, but I wouldn't want to add it as default | 05:12 |
| holstein | i forget the others | 05:12 |
| holstein | ailo: yeah, see, i wouldnt either | 05:12 |
| ailo | Docky improved at one point | 05:12 |
| holstein | and i feel like thats what the theme is | 05:12 |
| holstein | cory likes AWN | 05:12 |
| holstein | and thats great | 05:12 |
| holstein | i just want it to be an optional thing | 05:13 |
| holstein | because some nice discussion has already started on that thread | 05:13 |
| holstein | about resourses | 05:13 |
| holstein | anyways... we'll see | 05:13 |
| ailo | I feel like cory is very much pushing his own favorite thing, instead of looking at what the community wants | 05:13 |
| holstein | i know how to get rid of AWN :) | 05:13 |
| holstein | ailo: OK, i was getting that vibe too | 05:14 |
| holstein | and just wanted to make sure i wasnt mis-reading it | 05:14 |
| ailo | And that's fine with me. It's up to us to give options | 05:14 |
| ailo | Unity has been pretty unstable for me. There has been discussion whether they should use it as default for the final release | 05:17 |
| ailo | Both Unity and Gnome3 would probably be less stable, and need some serious tweaking to be usable | 05:18 |
| ailo | So, I would probably vote for XFCE too | 05:18 |
| ailo | Anyway, I think I won't have too much opinion on that now. I will try focus on other things. I might object to the use of AWN, but I will need to try that first | 05:20 |
| ailo | ScottL, One thing I haven't investigated yet is to make custom launchers. Have you done that on Gnome3? | 05:37 |
| ailo | ScottL, MacInnis is still the lead of art, right? | 05:50 |
| ailo | ScottL, I expect a part of his jurisdiction is being handled already if cory helps us move to XFCE (if that is what is decided later on). | 05:52 |
| * abogani waves all | 08:11 | |
| abogani | ailo: You can find the new -lowlatency kernel with right configuration at https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/snmp++/+packages | 11:33 |
| abogani | ailo: 39 I meant | 11:33 |
| ScottL | ailo, holstein : if you do not like/want a dock then you should say something on the mailing list :) | 12:15 |
| ScottL | ailo, holstein : because if no one voices a dislike cory will continue to move forward | 12:15 |
| ScottL | ailo, holstein : but hopefully we can talk with the AWN people and see if they can code my idea of selectable "context" menus | 12:16 |
| ScottL | the idea is thus: the dock has a left and right side, the left is static and the right is dynamic or selectable or "context" | 12:16 |
| ScottL | the left (static) would have things like firefox, or gedit, or whatever launchers you always want visible on the bar | 12:17 |
| ScottL | the right, however, would show launchers depending on which "work flow" you selected from a "context selection" button on the dock | 12:18 |
| ScottL | so the first "launcher" on the right (dynamic or context) side would allow you to select "record audio" or "midi/sequencer" or "graphics" | 12:18 |
| ScottL | this would in turn make certain launchers visible on the right side of the dock that support that work flow | 12:19 |
| ScottL | record audio might have visible - qjacktl, ardour, rakarrak, guitarix, hydrogen | 12:19 |
| ScottL | midi/sequencer might have visible - qjackctl, qtractor | 12:20 |
| ScottL | we would include some sane defaults, perhaps similar to what i have just suggested, but refined and expanded | 12:20 |
| ScottL | and the user would be able to modify them as needed | 12:20 |
| ScottL | 12:20 | |
| ScottL | ailo, i did "pin" several launchers onto my favorites in gnome3 but did not create custom ones | 12:21 |
| ScottL | ailo, yes, mac is still art lead, i was hoping for something a little more definitive before going to him before emailing | 12:21 |
| ScottL | ailo, but i need to send the email anyways since it has gone public now | 12:22 |
| ScottL | 12:22 | |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i'm rather confused by what happened with the plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio package | 12:22 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Right. | 12:23 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, it seems that only some of the images were not included | 12:23 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 12:23 |
| TheMuso | Were you working in a bzr branch? | 12:23 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, oh, and thanks for correcting me in the email | 12:23 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i don't really remember...if i had to guess what i did, i probably did "apt-get source" | 12:23 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, however, i was able to get my source from ppa again and compared what is currently coming from the universe source to my ppa source | 12:24 |
| ScottL | as far as the plymouth theme, all the i could tell was different were the missing icons | 12:25 |
| TheMuso | Right, so re-add them. | 12:25 |
| ScottL | so, i'm building in ppa again and will test this afternoon when i get home (10.5 hours hence) | 12:25 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, is that too late so i can test it? | 12:25 |
| TheMuso | ok well freeze is in effect earlier than I thought, but it shouldn't matter for beta 2, as long as its fixed for final. | 12:26 |
| TheMuso | We can at least upload it and it will sit in the queue until beta 2 is out. | 12:26 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, okay, so the prudent plan is to test it well then upload which will be included on the final image? | 12:26 |
| ScottL | (since there is not an RC this time i believe) | 12:27 |
| TheMuso | Correct. | 12:28 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, right | 12:28 |
| ScottL | 12:28 | |
| ScottL | someone had mentioned that windows look bad in natty, like a mixture of gtk elements | 12:29 |
| TheMuso | In what DE? | 12:29 |
| ScottL | i can second that when you start with vanilla ubuntu in natty and install the ubuntustudio-look package :/ | 12:30 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, it was the gnome-classic DE | 12:30 |
| TheMuso | oh yeah I remember seeing a bug about that, but the proposed fixes were too invasive. | 12:30 |
| TheMuso | I forgot about it though. | 12:30 |
| ScottL | heh, i thought the person reporting it had done something wrong on their end :P at least until it happened to me | 12:31 |
| TheMuso | right | 12:31 |
| ScottL | okay, getting ready and going to work | 12:31 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: i'm sorry how i handled this with plymouth-theme-ubuntu, i really dropped the ball on it | 13:22 |
| scott-work | 13:22 | |
| scott-work | interestingly, there is a gnome remix of ubuntu happening: http://justinstories.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/the-inevitable-is-here-ubuntu-gnome-remix/ | 13:23 |
| scott-work | http://ugr.teampr0xy.net/ | 13:23 |
| scott-work | https://launchpad.net/ubuntugnome/ | 13:23 |
| TheMuso | scott-work: thats ok | 13:23 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: at best we narrowly get the package right and in on the final image, at worst it is busted | 13:24 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: that part is not so dramatic, however we (i) could have made sure the percentages were better for the "best" part | 13:25 |
| scott-work | i'm going to go back to the bug report for the theme and see what the diff looks like, maybe that will help me understand what happened | 13:26 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: Binary files /tmp/uKfwiDRBPp/ubuntustudio-look-0.38.3/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo/animation.png and /tmp/sKyUvD2A5O/ubuntustudio-look-0.39/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo/animation.png differ | 13:28 |
| scott-work | this is one of several lines in the diff that corelate to the missing files | 13:28 |
| TheMuso | Right, debdiffs cannot contain binaries. | 13:34 |
| TheMuso | Easiest way to solve that is attaching a tarball. | 13:34 |
| TheMuso | Anyway, I'm off to bed. | 13:34 |
| holstein | scott-work: i'll get on a response | 13:40 |
| holstein | i talked to cory in here about it | 13:40 |
| scott-work | holstein: okay :) | 13:40 |
| holstein | and he seemed to imply that the dock was not optional | 13:40 |
| scott-work | holstein: you might inspire someone else to voice their opinion about the dock :) | 13:42 |
| holstein | sure, but it seems like it should be the other way around | 13:42 |
| l3on | Hi all.. I'm looking for a "ubuntu-studio_logo" based on new Ubuntu Brand Guidelines... could anyone provide it to me? | 13:42 |
| holstein | i dont know why the dock is glued to the xfce idea | 13:43 |
| holstein | we dont have a dock now | 13:43 |
| holstein | anyways... i'll get on it :) | 13:43 |
| holstein | scott-work: we dont have a mock-up with the new font yet right? | 13:43 |
| l3on | example → http://crenk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/new-ubuntu-logo-compared.jpg | 13:44 |
| scott-work | l3on: i'll have to look and see what we have available, i don't know that i have just the logo sitting around (especially as i'm at work on a windows machine ) | 13:47 |
| scott-work | l3on: here's probably the best i can do on short notice: http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/ | 13:49 |
| scott-work | it's my deviant art gallery with various mockups of the logo (and other sorted detritus) | 13:49 |
| l3on | damn, white on black -.- | 13:52 |
| scott-work | this is probably the closest to what we are currently doing: http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2zr4is | 13:55 |
| scott-work | except the text colors are not two-tone | 13:55 |
| scott-work | l3on: if you give me some more information about what you are trying to accomplish i might be able to help better | 13:56 |
| scott-work | and in about 10 hours time (when i'm back at home) i can probably find something better | 13:56 |
| l3on | scott-work: yes, get me some mins to show you something... | 13:58 |
| ailo | scott-work, I didn't realize you had those ideas about AWN. Didn't connect the dots. | 15:48 |
| scott-work | lol ailo, i don't always explain things very well :) | 15:49 |
| scott-work | ailo: good posts on the mailing list about the 1010 problems, by the way | 15:49 |
| ailo | Well, I tend not to connect certain things, which is why I often double-book. | 15:50 |
| ailo | scott-work, Yeah? Ralf does seem like a knowledgeable person. Don't want to feel like I'm pushing I'm around. | 15:50 |
| scott-work | ailo: i particularly liked how you tried to entice him to help with documentation with your offer to help edit his english | 15:52 |
| scott-work | for two reasons, i suppose | 15:52 |
| scott-work | one, it's good to honestly and in good-faith try to get people involved | 15:52 |
| scott-work | but two, sometimes it's a good thing to give people the opportunity to fix the things they are complaining about :) | 15:52 |
| ailo | Absolutely. That's what the wiki is for anyway. And we should just try to make sure it's up to date and somewhat easy to search trhough. | 15:56 |
| astraljava | paultag: Going to install OpenBSD 4.8 in a few. Btw. did you see my "invitation" on Diaspora? | 16:12 |
| paultag | astraljava: you rock :) | 16:12 |
| paultag | astraljava: no, I missed it | 16:12 |
| paultag | astraljava: I've not had internet, my ISP is messing with me again | 16:12 |
| paultag | the modem is just on a reset-loop | 16:13 |
| astraljava | Not nice. | 16:13 |
| paultag | so I'm only online now because I'm at my Uni | 16:13 |
| paultag | astraljava: moment :) | 16:13 |
| paultag | astraljava: all set :) | 16:14 |
| abogani | ScottL, scott-work: Are you around? | 16:23 |
| scott-work | yes i am abogani :) how are you today? | 16:23 |
| abogani | scott-work: Well thanks! And you? | 16:23 |
| * abogani is waiting to receive feedbacks about -29-lowlatency kernel... | 16:24 | |
| scott-work | abogani: more or less okay :) | 16:24 |
| scott-work | -29 or -39 ? | 16:24 |
| abogani | 39 | 16:24 |
| scott-work | right, i started to prepare for testing yesterday but ailo suggested waiting until it was fixed or stabilized or something (getting old and can't remember) | 16:25 |
| scott-work | abogani: is it ready again to test? | 16:25 |
| abogani | scott-work: Yes | 16:25 |
| astraljava | paultag: Yup, nice! :) | 16:26 |
| scott-work | okay, then i will test it within the next three days - i need to finish updating the plymouth theme so that it actually works first | 16:26 |
| astraljava | abogani: I can do a test install tonight too. | 16:26 |
| abogani | astraljava: Thanks Janne. | 16:27 |
| abogani | astraljava: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-April/003047.html Please remeber to install rtirq-init also! | 16:28 |
| paultag | astraljava: :) | 16:28 |
| astraljava | abogani: Alright, cool. | 16:28 |
| paultag | TTYL, got to head home | 16:28 |
| paultag | not sure when I'll have internet again :( | 16:28 |
| astraljava | Sure. | 16:28 |
| paultag | cheerio! | 16:28 |
| ailo | abogani, I am installing now. Will try on both 32bits and AMD64. Funny I had such different results using the -generic version. | 16:28 |
| astraljava | See ya! | 16:28 |
| abogani | ailo: If you want have constant results (more or less) you should put an heavy workload in background... | 16:29 |
| * abogani is thinking to add a package to provide that heavy background work. | 16:30 | |
| abogani | to help testers. | 16:30 |
| ailo | abogani, I should compare what happens with a heavy workload on different kernels. If I get the same result as with previous -lowlatency, a heavy workload had no effect what so ever on jackd. | 16:31 |
| ailo | But, I am testing with different sound devices now, which I didn't before. I am suspecting my lack of reliability is caused by my onboard card. | 16:32 |
| ailo | abogani, A heavy workload package would be great. Then we know everyone will have used the same test. | 16:32 |
| abogani | ailo: Exactly. | 16:33 |
| abogani | It makes tests on the same machine comparable at least. | 16:33 |
| * abogani has to go. | 16:33 | |
| ailo | Initial tests seem to show that even my onboard card is working slightly more reliable with 2.6.39. No xruns yet. | 19:33 |
| ailo | And the rtirq-init script.. | 19:34 |
| ailo | scott-work, About testing the kernel. Don't think you need to do much more than start your favorite applications, and have them running for a while. Try using the lowest frames/period you can. For me 64 frames/period is the limit on one of my systems, without xruns. | 21:01 |
| ailo | scott-work, Don't forget to have rtirq-init installed, and make sure you booted with it installed. | 21:01 |
| ailo | scott-work, nvidia drivers won't work | 21:02 |
| ScottL | sorry, i'm home now, left work to go to doctors for my neck ended up going home with prescriptions | 22:09 |
| ScottL | ailo, i do like to open my favorite applications as a base line and get lowest stable settings, then i usually record four or five tracks | 22:10 |
| ScottL | i'm thinking of adding some plugins to the previously recorded track while recording a fourth of fifth track | 22:11 |
| ScottL | once i find something i like i might even "save" that testing project and reuse it each time a new kernel comes out, maybe store it on my web space and download it as needed | 22:11 |
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