[00:21] rlameiro, pong [00:22] ScottL: :D hows your sunday going :D [00:22] ScottL: are you folowing the ml? [00:23] I tald Ckontros about ricardo and ana [00:23] maybe they can share some ideas [00:51] rlameiro, i'm keeping up a little with the list [00:52] rlameiro, cool about ckontros, ricardo, and ana...hopefully something comes from it :) [00:52] ScottL: yeap :D [04:42] TheMuso, i noticed a gross error on my part in the plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio package [04:42] TheMuso, is it too late to fix this? [04:43] ScottL: No, but you have less tha 24 hours or so to fix it and get me a patch to upload. [04:58] TheMuso, right, i'll do it in the morning (approximately seven hours hence) [04:59] TheMuso, i believe it to be pretty straightforward, it seems that the *.png images didn't make it into the package [04:59] Ok [05:00] i suspect it was my fault, probably forgot 'bzr add' :( [05:05] ScottL, How come it worked for a while? [05:06] i like the idea of XFCE [05:06] i dont know how avant got mixed in there though [05:06] ailo, i suspect it worked because i was using my test build from ppa [05:06] i think AWN with xfce looks like osx did [05:07] and i dont need osx functionality [05:07] but, i think i like xfce [05:07] If we go for XFCE, I would rather have something more towards gnome, more towards regular Xubuntu [05:07] yeah [05:07] i mean, if a dock is mandatory [05:08] i prefer gnome do [05:08] But, as you said holstein, all ideas are good, and we can try them out [05:08] Or, you said, you won't mind giving awn a shot [05:08] sure [05:09] it just doesnt seem optional [05:09] i would like to have an option on the table [05:09] thats just xfce [05:09] without any OSX looking crap [05:09] but, thats just me [05:09] i [05:09] ll give it a look [05:10] but, i used to run AWN [05:10] in 9.04 and 9.10 [05:10] I don't like the idea of AWN. I've tried it a while back, when I did use docks a lot, but I never thought AWN was any good [05:10] i think its too heavy [05:10] i thought it was kinda 'good' i guess [05:10] slick-ish [05:10] but, not worth the resources [05:10] Xubuntu has a nice default look [05:11] and, if you dont have 3d [05:11] But, the lower panel might be too much [05:11] then all that rendering happens on the CPU right? [05:11] Yeah, if you go for XFCE, you might as well keep it simple [05:11] i think 1 panel, kinda like we got [05:11] just xfce [05:11] Should be enough [05:11] or, some other light dock [05:11] if a dock is needed [05:12] wbar* [05:12] docky? [05:12] wbar was the one i ended up with [05:12] it was light [05:12] Docky is what is part of gnome do. Docky works, but I wouldn't want to add it as default [05:12] i forget the others [05:12] ailo: yeah, see, i wouldnt either [05:12] Docky improved at one point [05:12] and i feel like thats what the theme is [05:12] cory likes AWN [05:12] and thats great [05:13] i just want it to be an optional thing [05:13] because some nice discussion has already started on that thread [05:13] about resourses [05:13] anyways... we'll see [05:13] I feel like cory is very much pushing his own favorite thing, instead of looking at what the community wants [05:13] i know how to get rid of AWN :) [05:14] ailo: OK, i was getting that vibe too [05:14] and just wanted to make sure i wasnt mis-reading it [05:14] And that's fine with me. It's up to us to give options [05:17] Unity has been pretty unstable for me. There has been discussion whether they should use it as default for the final release [05:18] Both Unity and Gnome3 would probably be less stable, and need some serious tweaking to be usable [05:18] So, I would probably vote for XFCE too [05:20] Anyway, I think I won't have too much opinion on that now. I will try focus on other things. I might object to the use of AWN, but I will need to try that first [05:37] ScottL, One thing I haven't investigated yet is to make custom launchers. Have you done that on Gnome3? [05:50] ScottL, MacInnis is still the lead of art, right? [05:52] ScottL, I expect a part of his jurisdiction is being handled already if cory helps us move to XFCE (if that is what is decided later on). [08:11] * abogani waves all [11:33] ailo: You can find the new -lowlatency kernel with right configuration at https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/snmp++/+packages [11:33] ailo: 39 I meant [12:15] ailo, holstein : if you do not like/want a dock then you should say something on the mailing list :) [12:15] ailo, holstein : because if no one voices a dislike cory will continue to move forward [12:16] ailo, holstein : but hopefully we can talk with the AWN people and see if they can code my idea of selectable "context" menus [12:16] the idea is thus: the dock has a left and right side, the left is static and the right is dynamic or selectable or "context" [12:17] the left (static) would have things like firefox, or gedit, or whatever launchers you always want visible on the bar [12:18] the right, however, would show launchers depending on which "work flow" you selected from a "context selection" button on the dock [12:18] so the first "launcher" on the right (dynamic or context) side would allow you to select "record audio" or "midi/sequencer" or "graphics" [12:19] this would in turn make certain launchers visible on the right side of the dock that support that work flow [12:19] record audio might have visible - qjacktl, ardour, rakarrak, guitarix, hydrogen [12:20] midi/sequencer might have visible - qjackctl, qtractor [12:20] we would include some sane defaults, perhaps similar to what i have just suggested, but refined and expanded [12:20] and the user would be able to modify them as needed [12:20] [12:21] ailo, i did "pin" several launchers onto my favorites in gnome3 but did not create custom ones [12:21] ailo, yes, mac is still art lead, i was hoping for something a little more definitive before going to him before emailing [12:22] ailo, but i need to send the email anyways since it has gone public now [12:22] [12:22] TheMuso, i'm rather confused by what happened with the plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio package [12:23] ScottL: Right. [12:23] TheMuso, it seems that only some of the images were not included [12:23] Right. [12:23] Were you working in a bzr branch? [12:23] TheMuso, oh, and thanks for correcting me in the email [12:23] TheMuso, i don't really remember...if i had to guess what i did, i probably did "apt-get source" [12:24] TheMuso, however, i was able to get my source from ppa again and compared what is currently coming from the universe source to my ppa source [12:25] as far as the plymouth theme, all the i could tell was different were the missing icons [12:25] Right, so re-add them. [12:25] so, i'm building in ppa again and will test this afternoon when i get home (10.5 hours hence) [12:25] TheMuso, is that too late so i can test it? [12:26] ok well freeze is in effect earlier than I thought, but it shouldn't matter for beta 2, as long as its fixed for final. [12:26] We can at least upload it and it will sit in the queue until beta 2 is out. [12:26] TheMuso, okay, so the prudent plan is to test it well then upload which will be included on the final image? [12:27] (since there is not an RC this time i believe) [12:28] Correct. [12:28] TheMuso, right [12:28] [12:29] someone had mentioned that windows look bad in natty, like a mixture of gtk elements [12:29] In what DE? [12:30] i can second that when you start with vanilla ubuntu in natty and install the ubuntustudio-look package :/ [12:30] TheMuso, it was the gnome-classic DE [12:30] oh yeah I remember seeing a bug about that, but the proposed fixes were too invasive. [12:30] I forgot about it though. [12:31] heh, i thought the person reporting it had done something wrong on their end :P at least until it happened to me [12:31] right [12:31] okay, getting ready and going to work [13:22] TheMuso: i'm sorry how i handled this with plymouth-theme-ubuntu, i really dropped the ball on it [13:22] [13:23] interestingly, there is a gnome remix of ubuntu happening: http://justinstories.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/the-inevitable-is-here-ubuntu-gnome-remix/ [13:23] http://ugr.teampr0xy.net/ [13:23] https://launchpad.net/ubuntugnome/ [13:23] scott-work: thats ok [13:24] TheMuso: at best we narrowly get the package right and in on the final image, at worst it is busted [13:25] TheMuso: that part is not so dramatic, however we (i) could have made sure the percentages were better for the "best" part [13:26] i'm going to go back to the bug report for the theme and see what the diff looks like, maybe that will help me understand what happened [13:28] TheMuso: Binary files /tmp/uKfwiDRBPp/ubuntustudio-look-0.38.3/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo/animation.png and /tmp/sKyUvD2A5O/ubuntustudio-look-0.39/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo/animation.png differ [13:28] this is one of several lines in the diff that corelate to the missing files [13:34] Right, debdiffs cannot contain binaries. [13:34] Easiest way to solve that is attaching a tarball. [13:34] Anyway, I'm off to bed. [13:40] scott-work: i'll get on a response [13:40] i talked to cory in here about it [13:40] holstein: okay :) [13:40] and he seemed to imply that the dock was not optional [13:42] holstein: you might inspire someone else to voice their opinion about the dock :) [13:42] sure, but it seems like it should be the other way around [13:42] Hi all.. I'm looking for a "ubuntu-studio_logo" based on new Ubuntu Brand Guidelines... could anyone provide it to me? [13:43] i dont know why the dock is glued to the xfce idea [13:43] we dont have a dock now [13:43] anyways... i'll get on it :) [13:43] scott-work: we dont have a mock-up with the new font yet right? [13:44] example → http://crenk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/new-ubuntu-logo-compared.jpg [13:47] l3on: i'll have to look and see what we have available, i don't know that i have just the logo sitting around (especially as i'm at work on a windows machine ) [13:49] l3on: here's probably the best i can do on short notice: http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/ [13:49] it's my deviant art gallery with various mockups of the logo (and other sorted detritus) [13:52] damn, white on black -.- [13:55] this is probably the closest to what we are currently doing: http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2zr4is [13:55] except the text colors are not two-tone [13:56] l3on: if you give me some more information about what you are trying to accomplish i might be able to help better [13:56] and in about 10 hours time (when i'm back at home) i can probably find something better [13:58] scott-work: yes, get me some mins to show you something... [15:48] scott-work, I didn't realize you had those ideas about AWN. Didn't connect the dots. [15:49] lol ailo, i don't always explain things very well :) [15:49] ailo: good posts on the mailing list about the 1010 problems, by the way [15:50] Well, I tend not to connect certain things, which is why I often double-book. [15:50] scott-work, Yeah? Ralf does seem like a knowledgeable person. Don't want to feel like I'm pushing I'm around. [15:52] ailo: i particularly liked how you tried to entice him to help with documentation with your offer to help edit his english [15:52] for two reasons, i suppose [15:52] one, it's good to honestly and in good-faith try to get people involved [15:52] but two, sometimes it's a good thing to give people the opportunity to fix the things they are complaining about :) [15:56] Absolutely. That's what the wiki is for anyway. And we should just try to make sure it's up to date and somewhat easy to search trhough. [16:12] paultag: Going to install OpenBSD 4.8 in a few. Btw. did you see my "invitation" on Diaspora? [16:12] astraljava: you rock :) [16:12] astraljava: no, I missed it [16:12] astraljava: I've not had internet, my ISP is messing with me again [16:13] the modem is just on a reset-loop [16:13] Not nice. [16:13] so I'm only online now because I'm at my Uni [16:13] astraljava: moment :) [16:14] astraljava: all set :) [16:23] ScottL, scott-work: Are you around? [16:23] yes i am abogani :) how are you today? [16:23] scott-work: Well thanks! And you? [16:24] * abogani is waiting to receive feedbacks about -29-lowlatency kernel... [16:24] abogani: more or less okay :) [16:24] -29 or -39 ? [16:24] 39 [16:25] right, i started to prepare for testing yesterday but ailo suggested waiting until it was fixed or stabilized or something (getting old and can't remember) [16:25] abogani: is it ready again to test? [16:25] scott-work: Yes [16:26] paultag: Yup, nice! :) [16:26] okay, then i will test it within the next three days - i need to finish updating the plymouth theme so that it actually works first [16:26] abogani: I can do a test install tonight too. [16:27] astraljava: Thanks Janne. [16:28] astraljava: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-April/003047.html Please remeber to install rtirq-init also! [16:28] astraljava: :) [16:28] abogani: Alright, cool. [16:28] TTYL, got to head home [16:28] not sure when I'll have internet again :( [16:28] Sure. [16:28] cheerio! [16:28] abogani, I am installing now. Will try on both 32bits and AMD64. Funny I had such different results using the -generic version. [16:28] See ya! [16:29] ailo: If you want have constant results (more or less) you should put an heavy workload in background... [16:30] * abogani is thinking to add a package to provide that heavy background work. [16:30] to help testers. [16:31] abogani, I should compare what happens with a heavy workload on different kernels. If I get the same result as with previous -lowlatency, a heavy workload had no effect what so ever on jackd. [16:32] But, I am testing with different sound devices now, which I didn't before. I am suspecting my lack of reliability is caused by my onboard card. [16:32] abogani, A heavy workload package would be great. Then we know everyone will have used the same test. [16:33] ailo: Exactly. [16:33] It makes tests on the same machine comparable at least. [16:33] * abogani has to go. [19:33] Initial tests seem to show that even my onboard card is working slightly more reliable with 2.6.39. No xruns yet. [19:34] And the rtirq-init script.. [21:01] scott-work, About testing the kernel. Don't think you need to do much more than start your favorite applications, and have them running for a while. Try using the lowest frames/period you can. For me 64 frames/period is the limit on one of my systems, without xruns. [21:01] scott-work, Don't forget to have rtirq-init installed, and make sure you booted with it installed. [21:02] scott-work, nvidia drivers won't work [22:09] sorry, i'm home now, left work to go to doctors for my neck ended up going home with prescriptions [22:10] ailo, i do like to open my favorite applications as a base line and get lowest stable settings, then i usually record four or five tracks [22:11] i'm thinking of adding some plugins to the previously recorded track while recording a fourth of fifth track [22:11] once i find something i like i might even "save" that testing project and reuse it each time a new kernel comes out, maybe store it on my web space and download it as needed