[00:21] <ScottL> rlameiro, pong
[00:22] <rlameiro> ScottL: :D hows your sunday going :D
[00:22] <rlameiro> ScottL: are you folowing the ml?
[00:23] <rlameiro> I tald Ckontros about ricardo and ana
[00:23] <rlameiro> maybe they can share some ideas
[00:51] <ScottL> rlameiro, i'm keeping up a little with the list
[00:52] <ScottL> rlameiro, cool about ckontros, ricardo, and ana...hopefully something comes from it  :)
[00:52] <rlameiro> ScottL: yeap :D
[04:42] <ScottL> TheMuso, i noticed a gross error on my part in the plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio package
[04:42] <ScottL> TheMuso, is it too late to fix this?
[04:43] <TheMuso> ScottL: No, but you have less tha 24 hours or so to fix it and get me a patch to upload.
[04:58] <ScottL> TheMuso, right, i'll do it in the morning (approximately seven hours hence)
[04:59] <ScottL> TheMuso, i believe it to be pretty straightforward, it seems that the *.png images didn't make it into the package
[04:59] <TheMuso> Ok
[05:00] <ScottL> i suspect it was my fault, probably forgot 'bzr add' :(
[05:05] <ailo> ScottL, How come it worked for a while?
[05:06] <holstein> i like the idea of XFCE
[05:06] <holstein> i dont know how avant got mixed in there though
[05:06] <ScottL> ailo, i suspect it worked because i was using my test build from ppa
[05:06] <holstein> i think AWN with xfce looks like osx did
[05:07] <holstein> and i dont need osx functionality
[05:07] <holstein> but, i think i like xfce
[05:07] <ailo> If we go for XFCE, I would rather have something more towards gnome, more towards regular Xubuntu
[05:07] <holstein> yeah
[05:07] <holstein> i mean, if a dock is mandatory
[05:08] <holstein> i prefer gnome do
[05:08] <ailo> But, as you said holstein, all ideas are good, and we can try them out
[05:08] <ailo> Or, you said, you won't mind giving awn a shot
[05:08] <holstein> sure
[05:09] <holstein> it just doesnt seem optional
[05:09] <holstein> i would like to have an option on the table
[05:09] <holstein> thats just xfce
[05:09] <holstein> without any OSX looking crap
[05:09] <holstein> but, thats just me
[05:09] <holstein> i
[05:09] <holstein> ll give it a look
[05:10] <holstein> but, i used to run AWN
[05:10] <holstein> in 9.04 and 9.10
[05:10] <ailo> I don't like the idea of AWN. I've tried it a while back, when I did use docks a lot, but I never thought AWN was any good
[05:10] <holstein> i think its too heavy
[05:10] <holstein> i thought it was kinda 'good' i guess
[05:10] <holstein> slick-ish
[05:10] <holstein> but, not worth the resources
[05:10] <ailo> Xubuntu has a nice default look
[05:11] <holstein> and, if you dont have 3d
[05:11] <ailo> But, the lower panel might be too much
[05:11] <holstein> then all that rendering happens on the CPU right?
[05:11] <ailo> Yeah, if you go for XFCE, you might as well keep it simple
[05:11] <holstein> i think 1 panel, kinda like we got
[05:11] <holstein> just xfce
[05:11] <ailo> Should be enough
[05:11] <holstein> or, some other light dock
[05:11] <holstein> if a dock is needed
[05:12] <holstein> wbar*
[05:12] <holstein> docky?
[05:12] <holstein> wbar was the one i ended up with
[05:12] <holstein> it was light
[05:12] <ailo> Docky is what is part of gnome do. Docky works, but I wouldn't want to add it as default
[05:12] <holstein> i forget the others
[05:12] <holstein> ailo: yeah, see, i wouldnt either
[05:12] <ailo> Docky improved at one point
[05:12] <holstein> and i feel like thats what the theme is
[05:12] <holstein> cory likes AWN
[05:12] <holstein> and thats great
[05:13] <holstein> i just want it to be an optional thing
[05:13] <holstein> because some nice discussion has already started on that thread
[05:13] <holstein> about resourses
[05:13] <holstein> anyways... we'll see
[05:13] <ailo> I feel like cory is very much pushing his own favorite thing, instead of looking at what the community wants
[05:13] <holstein> i know how to get rid of AWN :)
[05:14] <holstein> ailo: OK, i was getting that vibe too
[05:14] <holstein> and just wanted to make sure i wasnt mis-reading it
[05:14] <ailo> And that's fine with me. It's up to us to give options
[05:17] <ailo> Unity has been pretty unstable for me. There has been discussion whether they should use it as default for the final release
[05:18] <ailo> Both Unity and Gnome3 would probably be less stable, and need some serious tweaking to be usable
[05:18] <ailo> So, I would probably vote for XFCE too
[05:20] <ailo> Anyway, I think I won't have too much opinion on that now. I will try focus on other things. I might object to the use of AWN, but I will need to try that first
[05:37] <ailo> ScottL, One thing I haven't investigated yet is to make custom launchers. Have you done that on Gnome3?
[05:50] <ailo> ScottL, MacInnis is still the lead of art, right?
[05:52] <ailo> ScottL, I expect a part of his jurisdiction is being handled already if cory helps us move to XFCE (if that is what is decided later on).
[08:11]  * abogani waves all
[11:33] <abogani> ailo: You can find the new -lowlatency kernel with right configuration at https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/snmp++/+packages
[11:33] <abogani> ailo: 39 I meant
[12:15] <ScottL> ailo, holstein :  if you do not like/want a dock then you should say something on the mailing list :)
[12:15] <ScottL> ailo, holstein :  because if no one voices a dislike cory will continue to move forward
[12:16] <ScottL> ailo, holstein : but hopefully we can talk with the AWN people and see if they can code my idea of selectable "context" menus
[12:16] <ScottL> the idea is thus:  the dock has a left and right side, the left is static and the right is dynamic or selectable or "context"
[12:17] <ScottL> the left (static) would have things like firefox, or gedit, or whatever launchers you always want visible on the bar
[12:18] <ScottL> the right, however, would show launchers depending on which "work flow" you selected from a "context selection" button on the dock
[12:18] <ScottL> so the first "launcher" on the right (dynamic or context) side would allow you to select "record audio" or "midi/sequencer" or "graphics"
[12:19] <ScottL> this would in turn make certain launchers visible on the right side of the dock that support that work flow
[12:19] <ScottL> record audio might have visible - qjacktl, ardour, rakarrak, guitarix, hydrogen
[12:20] <ScottL> midi/sequencer might have visible - qjackctl, qtractor
[12:20] <ScottL> we would include some sane defaults, perhaps similar to what i have just suggested, but refined and expanded
[12:20] <ScottL> and the user would be able to modify them as needed
[12:20] <ScottL>  
[12:21] <ScottL> ailo, i did "pin" several launchers onto my favorites in gnome3 but did not create custom ones
[12:21] <ScottL> ailo, yes, mac is still art lead, i was hoping for something a little more definitive before going to him before emailing
[12:22] <ScottL> ailo, but i need to send the email anyways since it has gone public now
[12:22] <ScottL>  
[12:22] <ScottL> TheMuso, i'm rather confused by what happened with the plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio package
[12:23] <TheMuso> ScottL: Right.
[12:23] <ScottL> TheMuso, it seems that only some of the images were not included
[12:23] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:23] <TheMuso> Were you working in a bzr branch?
[12:23] <ScottL> TheMuso, oh, and thanks for correcting me in the email
[12:23] <ScottL> TheMuso, i don't really remember...if i had to guess what i did, i probably did "apt-get source"
[12:24] <ScottL> TheMuso, however, i was able to get my source from ppa again and compared what is currently coming from the universe source to my ppa source
[12:25] <ScottL> as far as the plymouth theme, all the i could tell was different were the missing icons
[12:25] <TheMuso> Right, so re-add them.
[12:25] <ScottL> so, i'm building in ppa again and will test this afternoon when i get home (10.5 hours hence)
[12:25] <ScottL> TheMuso, is that too late so i can test it?
[12:26] <TheMuso> ok well freeze is in effect earlier than I thought, but it shouldn't matter for beta 2, as long as its fixed for final.
[12:26] <TheMuso> We can at least upload it and it will sit in the queue until beta 2 is out.
[12:26] <ScottL> TheMuso, okay, so the prudent plan is to test it well then upload which will be included on the final image?
[12:27] <ScottL> (since there is not an RC this time i believe)
[12:28] <TheMuso> Correct.
[12:28] <ScottL> TheMuso, right
[12:28] <ScottL>  
[12:29] <ScottL> someone had mentioned that windows look bad in natty, like a mixture of gtk elements
[12:29] <TheMuso> In what DE?
[12:30] <ScottL> i can second that when you start with vanilla ubuntu in natty and install the ubuntustudio-look package :/
[12:30] <ScottL> TheMuso, it was the gnome-classic DE
[12:30] <TheMuso> oh yeah I remember seeing a bug about that, but the proposed fixes were too invasive.
[12:30] <TheMuso> I forgot about it though.
[12:31] <ScottL> heh, i thought the person reporting it had done something wrong on their end :P   at least until it happened to me
[12:31] <TheMuso> right
[12:31] <ScottL> okay, getting ready and going to work
[13:22] <scott-work> TheMuso: i'm sorry how i handled this with plymouth-theme-ubuntu, i really dropped the ball on it
[13:22] <scott-work>  
[13:23] <scott-work> interestingly, there is a gnome remix of ubuntu happening:  http://justinstories.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/the-inevitable-is-here-ubuntu-gnome-remix/
[13:23] <scott-work> http://ugr.teampr0xy.net/
[13:23] <scott-work> https://launchpad.net/ubuntugnome/
[13:23] <TheMuso> scott-work: thats ok
[13:24] <scott-work> TheMuso: at best we narrowly get the package right and in on the final image, at worst it is busted
[13:25] <scott-work> TheMuso: that part is not so dramatic, however we (i) could have made sure the percentages were better for the "best" part
[13:26] <scott-work> i'm going to go back to the bug report for the theme and see what the diff looks like, maybe that will help me understand what happened
[13:28] <scott-work> TheMuso: Binary files /tmp/uKfwiDRBPp/ubuntustudio-look-0.38.3/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo/animation.png and /tmp/sKyUvD2A5O/ubuntustudio-look-0.39/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntustudio-logo/animation.png differ
[13:28] <scott-work> this is one of several lines in the diff that corelate to the missing files
[13:34] <TheMuso> Right, debdiffs cannot contain binaries.
[13:34] <TheMuso> Easiest way to solve that is attaching a tarball.
[13:34] <TheMuso> Anyway, I'm off to bed.
[13:40] <holstein> scott-work: i'll get on a response
[13:40] <holstein> i talked to cory in here about it
[13:40] <scott-work> holstein: okay :)
[13:40] <holstein> and he seemed to imply that the dock was not optional
[13:42] <scott-work> holstein: you might inspire someone else to voice their opinion about the dock :)
[13:42] <holstein> sure, but it seems like it should be the other way around
[13:42] <l3on> Hi all.. I'm looking for a "ubuntu-studio_logo" based on new Ubuntu Brand Guidelines... could anyone provide it to me?
[13:43] <holstein> i dont know why the dock is glued to the xfce idea
[13:43] <holstein> we dont have a dock now
[13:43] <holstein> anyways... i'll get on it :)
[13:43] <holstein> scott-work: we dont have a mock-up with the new font yet right?
[13:44] <l3on> example → http://crenk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/new-ubuntu-logo-compared.jpg
[13:47] <scott-work> l3on: i'll have to look and see what we have available, i don't know that i have just the logo sitting around (especially as i'm at work on a windows machine )
[13:49] <scott-work> l3on: here's probably the best i can do on short notice:  http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/
[13:49] <scott-work> it's my deviant art gallery with various mockups of the logo (and other sorted detritus)
[13:52] <l3on> damn, white on black -.-
[13:55] <scott-work> this is probably the closest to what we are currently doing:  http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2zr4is
[13:55] <scott-work> except the text colors are not two-tone
[13:56] <scott-work> l3on: if you give me some more information about what you are trying to accomplish i might be able to help better
[13:56] <scott-work> and in about 10 hours time (when i'm back at home) i can probably find something better
[13:58] <l3on> scott-work: yes, get me some mins to show you something...
[15:48] <ailo> scott-work, I didn't realize you had those ideas about AWN. Didn't connect the dots.
[15:49] <scott-work> lol ailo, i don't always explain things very well :)
[15:49] <scott-work> ailo: good posts on the mailing list about the 1010 problems, by the way
[15:50] <ailo> Well, I tend not to connect certain things, which is why I often double-book.
[15:50] <ailo> scott-work, Yeah? Ralf does seem like a knowledgeable person. Don't want to feel like I'm pushing I'm around.
[15:52] <scott-work> ailo: i particularly liked how you tried to entice him to help with documentation with your offer to help edit his english
[15:52] <scott-work> for two reasons, i suppose
[15:52] <scott-work> one, it's good to honestly and in good-faith try to get people involved
[15:52] <scott-work> but two, sometimes it's a good thing to give people the opportunity to fix the things they are complaining about :)
[15:56] <ailo> Absolutely. That's what the wiki is for anyway. And we should just try to make sure it's up to date and somewhat easy to search trhough.
[16:12] <astraljava> paultag: Going to install OpenBSD 4.8 in a few. Btw. did you see my "invitation" on Diaspora?
[16:12] <paultag> astraljava: you rock :)
[16:12] <paultag> astraljava: no, I missed it
[16:12] <paultag> astraljava: I've not had internet, my ISP is messing with me again
[16:13] <paultag> the modem is just on a reset-loop
[16:13] <astraljava> Not nice.
[16:13] <paultag> so I'm only online now because I'm at my Uni
[16:13] <paultag> astraljava: moment :)
[16:14] <paultag> astraljava: all set :)
[16:23] <abogani> ScottL, scott-work: Are you around?
[16:23] <scott-work> yes i am abogani  :)   how are you today?
[16:23] <abogani> scott-work: Well thanks! And you?
[16:24]  * abogani is waiting to receive feedbacks about -29-lowlatency kernel...
[16:24] <scott-work> abogani: more or less okay :)
[16:24] <scott-work> -29 or -39 ?
[16:24] <abogani> 39
[16:25] <scott-work> right, i started to prepare for testing yesterday but ailo suggested waiting until it was fixed or stabilized or something (getting old and can't remember)
[16:25] <scott-work> abogani: is it ready again to test?
[16:25] <abogani> scott-work: Yes
[16:26] <astraljava> paultag: Yup, nice! :)
[16:26] <scott-work> okay, then i will test it within the next three days - i need to finish updating the plymouth theme so that it actually works first
[16:26] <astraljava> abogani: I can do a test install tonight too.
[16:27] <abogani> astraljava: Thanks Janne.
[16:28] <abogani> astraljava: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-April/003047.html Please remeber to install rtirq-init also!
[16:28] <paultag> astraljava: :)
[16:28] <astraljava> abogani: Alright, cool.
[16:28] <paultag> TTYL, got to head home
[16:28] <paultag> not sure when I'll have internet again :(
[16:28] <astraljava> Sure.
[16:28] <paultag> cheerio!
[16:28] <ailo> abogani, I am installing now. Will try on both 32bits and AMD64. Funny I had such different results using the -generic version.
[16:28] <astraljava> See ya!
[16:29] <abogani> ailo: If you want have constant results (more or less) you should put an heavy workload in background...
[16:30]  * abogani is thinking to add a package to provide that heavy background work.
[16:30] <abogani> to help testers.
[16:31] <ailo> abogani, I should compare what happens with a heavy workload on different kernels. If I get the same result as with previous -lowlatency, a heavy workload had no effect what so ever on jackd.
[16:32] <ailo> But, I am testing with different sound devices now, which I didn't before. I am suspecting my lack of reliability is caused by my onboard card.
[16:32] <ailo> abogani, A heavy workload package would be great. Then we know everyone will have used the same test.
[16:33] <abogani> ailo: Exactly.
[16:33] <abogani> It makes tests on the same machine comparable at least.
[16:33]  * abogani has to go.
[19:33] <ailo> Initial tests seem to show that even my onboard card is working slightly more reliable with 2.6.39. No xruns yet.
[19:34] <ailo> And the rtirq-init script..
[21:01] <ailo> scott-work, About testing the kernel. Don't think you need to do much more than start your favorite applications, and have them running for a while. Try using the lowest frames/period you can. For me 64 frames/period is the limit on one of my systems, without xruns. 
[21:01] <ailo> scott-work, Don't forget to have rtirq-init installed, and make sure you booted with it installed.
[21:02] <ailo> scott-work, nvidia drivers won't work
[22:09] <ScottL> sorry, i'm home now, left work to go to doctors for my neck ended up going home with prescriptions
[22:10] <ScottL> ailo, i do like to open my favorite applications as a base line and get lowest stable settings, then i usually record four or five tracks
[22:11] <ScottL> i'm thinking of adding some plugins to the previously recorded track while recording a fourth of fifth track
[22:11] <ScottL> once i find something i like i might even "save" that testing project and reuse it each time a new kernel comes out, maybe store it on my web space and download it as needed