[01:16] <roger_> James147: kquitapp plasma-desktop works as well
[01:37] <Walzmyn> I am hainv intermitant problems with my taskbar/panel going crazy - KDE 4.6.2 - Is this a known issue?
[01:37] <James147> !details | Walzmyn
[01:39] <Walzmyn> I use auto-hide, when i touch the edge with the mouse the panel does not come up. If it hit alt-F1 I can get the kmenu, but some times it's on a different screen edge, some times its in the middle of the screen. Some times the panel comes wiht it some times it dosen't. Some times the panel goes back to normal after that, some times not
[01:39] <Walzmyn> which i think falls under "going crazy"
[01:40]  * James147 suggests checking if a new user suffers the same problem
[02:06] <beltorak> is there a decent software manager for kubuntu?
[02:08] <James147> beltorak: package manager? there kpackagekkit, muon, aptitude, apt-get...
[02:08] <beltorak> i haven't heard of muon.... kpackagekit is kinda .... rough....
[02:13] <Snowhog> beltorak: Muon is the 'new kid' on the block, but well worth installing. It is better IMO than KPackagekit (although, KPK has gotten much better). If you don't want to try Muon, Synaptic Package Manager (Gnome, yes, but) is still the choice of many.
[02:13] <Mase_wk> Muon rocks
[02:34] <petete> also aptitude is great
[04:16] <Wras> So recently I decided to give Linux a try and installed Kubuntu on an older system sitting around. Everything seems to have gone great so far with the exception that my audio isn't working.  I have an ASUS P4P800SE. The onboard audio chip is a ADI AD1985 SoundMax chip. but when I run lspci -v, it shows up as being an Intel audio controller (The 82801EB/ER). I have checked to see if the sound was being muted but it wasn't.
[04:19] <James147> Wras: you chaned alsamixer for muted sound or just kmix?
[04:20] <Wras> I tried looking in alsamixer and it showed it wasn't muted
[04:21] <Wras> and if kmix is the one I see on the "taskbar" that one isn't muted either
[04:22] <James147> Wras: hmm,
[04:22] <James147> !sound
[04:22] <James147> afraid I am not very good at debugging sound problems :)
[04:23] <Wras> its ok I'll try to look into it at the link ubottu posted
[04:24] <Wras> thanks for the help at any rate ^_^
[05:19] <ubuntu__> ubuntu rlzzz!
[05:36] <kidcamaleon> hii
[06:36] <sun-army> Hi to all
[07:34] <shydog> moring everyone
[07:38] <susundberg> good morning
[10:12] <Baron> Hi. Does anyone else have a problem connecting a CDMA modem to the internet
[10:34] <valorie> !modem
[10:34] <valorie> oh sheesh, left already
[11:05] <henry_> Hello
[11:09] <susundberg> hi henry_
[11:11] <henry_> this is my first time using the Quassel Kubuntu IRC client =)
[11:16] <c2tarun> henry_: welcome to Quasse ;)
[11:16] <henry_> Thanks :D
[11:17] <henry_> atm I'm trying to connect to the official minecraft irc server :/
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:10] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Hello :)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> hi Daskreech :) how's it going ?
[15:15] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Alright things are happening mostly as they should
[15:15] <Daskreech> (which is a funny way of saying things are breaking so I have work but they are fixable)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> right
[15:21]  * BluesKaj dumps all package notifiers, because they are becoming a pita, constantly reminders of updates etc isn't needed when one runs a dev OS
[15:22] <BluesKaj> err constant reminders
[15:23] <finH> please tell me why fonts in kubuntu are so horrible compared to ubuntu? http://imgur.com/a/nrWPE why don't they use the same fonts and rendering?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> finH, must be a matter of taste. I don't see anything horrible there
[15:26] <finH> BluesKaj: do you *like* the default profile of Konsole?
[15:28] <finH> aubergine color sceme is indeed a matter of taste... but barely readable fonts or missing hinting is a bug if you ask me
[15:30] <finH> my choice of screenshot was poor in retrospect, it's a lot more visible with real tehttp://i.imgur.com/rDacW.png
[15:30] <finH> real text* http://i.imgur.com/rDacW.png
[15:40] <BluesKaj> my screen froze , had to reboot , KB and mouse actions were unrsponsive
[15:41]  * genii-around shakes his fist at the Narwhal!
[15:43] <finH> BluesKaj: do you *like* the default konsole font? http://i.imgur.com/rDacW.png
[15:45] <BluesKaj> finH, well. it's acceptable , but if it's the 'ubuntu font" then 'd probly change it too:)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> I may freeze my screen again if I try to open the terminal profile , but here goes
[15:47] <finH> that's why I run the beta in a VM...
[16:40] <BluesKaj> O the joys of running a dev OS ...I had to purge the synaptiks apps and config files , they were interfereing with my input devices ... for some reason the mousepad option was installed on my system...could be due to the wireless KB and mouse being interpreted as laptop input devices
[17:04] <ophiuchus> ))
[17:36] <BlaXpirit> KPackageKit tray icon appears for a second and hides itself all the time, once in about 5 minutes. What could cause this annoying problem?
[17:38] <guillermocerpa> hi
[17:38] <guillermocerpa> hola
[17:38] <guillermocerpa> alguien de chile
[17:38] <guillermocerpa> some body from chile
[17:38] <BlaXpirit> of course >_>
[17:39] <guillermocerpa> you speak spanish
[17:39] <guillermocerpa> i need help
[17:39] <guillermocerpa> alguien que me pueda
[17:39] <guillermocerpa> ayudar
[17:40] <guillermocerpa> tengo problemas.. ya que instale ubuntu
[17:40] <guillermocerpa> y no me reconoce el chip ati
[17:40] <maco> va a #ubuntu-es por favor
[17:40] <guillermocerpa> tranks you
[17:51] <Raven_work>  why under kde does my xorg process take up so much cpu time?  It does not matter if I have compositing turned on or off.  I'm running the latest kde from the kubuntu 10.10 backports ppa.
[18:15] <Peace-> Raven_work: becasuse there is a bug in a package
[18:15] <Peace-> Raven_work: you need to downgrade
[18:15] <Peace-> one package
[18:21] <Raven_work> Peace-:  Can you be a bit more specific?
[18:21] <Peace-> Raven_work: wait i am searching on the forum kde
[18:21] <Raven_work> This problem also happened when I was running the stock kde that came with 10.10
[18:21] <Raven_work> And it happens on multiple computers with different (but all nvidia) video cards.
[18:22] <Peace-> I would suggest making sure all KDE packages, particularly those relating to ntrack, are up to date.
[18:22] <Peace-> that should be
[18:23] <Raven_work> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade : it just updated my dhcp client.  ;/
[18:28] <rulyone> Hi all
[18:29] <rulyone> I've got a question about 32bits or 64bits cpu
[18:29] <Peace-> Raven_work: search ntrack
[18:29] <Peace-> Raven_work: try to downgrade
[18:29] <rulyone> I've got a VPS hosting with a 64bits processor, but it has installed a 32 bits OS
[18:29] <rulyone> can I install 64 bits software into that?
[18:29] <Raven_work> No.
[18:30] <genii-around> Raven_work: Actually, you can but it's usually far more trouble than it's worth
[18:30] <Raven_work> Peace-:  Link or reference, please?
[18:30] <rulyone> Raven_work: that no was to my question about 64bits?
[18:30] <BluesKaj> i found voice-dispatch was taking up a lot of cpu more than 60% at times and i wasn't enabled ,so I purged it from the usr/bin etc because it wasn't listed in the package manager
[18:31] <Peace-> Raven_work: was on the kde forum
[18:31] <Peace-> i don't remember
[18:31] <Raven_work> rulyone: that no was an answer to your question about 64bits.  genii-around's reply indicated that you probably can, but you shouldn't.
[18:32] <rulyone> k, thanks
[18:32] <rulyone> so i'll stick with 32 bits apps
[18:32] <Raven_work> Peace-:  ntrack is not running.  I have removed it from my system tray.
[18:33] <Peace-> Raven_work: are you sure?
[18:33] <Raven_work> Peace-:  Unless it hides as another process name, yes, I'm pretty sure.
[18:33] <genii-around> rulyone: It's possible for instance to change the default architecture it want to get packages for by making an apt.conf entry. but then you have to reinstall everything you have already, plus it gets tricky if you have kernel modules which get rebuilt during upgrades.
[18:34] <Peace-> Raven_work: no idea then
[18:34] <Raven_work> Peace-:  Also, xorg is the process using up so much cpu, not ntrack.
[18:34] <rulyone> thanks genii-around, that sounds more trouble than what is worth
[18:35] <genii-around> rulyone: Yes, exactly :)
[19:18] <techampere> Hi, do you guys know any other window managers for KDE?
[19:18] <techampere> not the default Kwin
[19:19] <James147> techampere: there are no other kde window managers
[19:21] <James147> ^^ though there are lots of window manager you can use instead of a kde based one..
[19:23] <techampere> ok, what about compiz?
[19:23] <techampere> Does it work in KDE?
[19:23] <James147> techampere: that will work ^^ though it isnt as intergrated as kwin
[19:25] <techampere> ok
[19:45] <quup> I just did a fresh 10.10 install of ubuntu and installed kubuntu-desktop, any chance upgrading to 11.04 will not break my system or is it worth to try?
[19:47] <DarthFrog> quup: Will not?  No guarantee.  Probably not, is a better way of thinking. :-)
[19:47] <techampere> quup: Have you updated to KDE 4.6?
[19:48] <quup> techampere: nope, just fresh ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed
[19:49] <DarthFrog> quup: KDE SC 4.6 is probably a more worthwhile upgrade than going to Natty right now.
[19:49] <quup> is there something Ishould use insteaf of update-manager when upgrading kubuntu?
[19:49] <techampere> quup: try this ---> http://www.multimediaboom.com/how-to-install-kde-4-6-kubuntu-in-ubuntu-10-10-maverick/
[19:49] <techampere> You will love it :)
[19:49] <quup> DarthFrog, techampere: ok :)
[19:50] <James147> quup: there is always a chance that an upgrade to a prerelease will break your system ^^ and you shouldnt try if you want a stable system... even if you manage to upgrade successfully there is no guarantee that a future update wont break your system :)
[19:51] <andyflag> Hey guys, I need help setting up a linux server can anyone guide me?
[19:51] <quup> I think i'll do fresh 11.04 kubuntu beta
[19:51] <quup> James147: hehe yea
[19:51] <techampere> quup: I wouldn't suggest an upgrade though
[19:52] <quup> ye, I know it can't really be suggested, but I figure might as well get the beta now so I don't have to reinstall again in a month
[19:53] <DarthFrog> quup: If you have a spare partition, you can install 11.04 side by side with 10.10.  I do that, with a separate home partition, so that I can try the new distro without committing to it until it's ready for prime time.
[19:53] <AndyFlag> I need help setting up centOS server for first time use, can anyone give me any tips or pointers? I'm pretty new to linux and their servers.
[19:54] <Pici> AndyFlag: This is #kubuntu, please ask in #centos
[19:54] <DarthFrog> And once I switch to the latest&greatest permanently, the old system partition is then available for the next developmental release.
[20:00] <Chris_H> lol, I was wondering. Does OpenGL work with Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller ?
[20:03] <tsimpson> Chris_H: sure
[20:03] <dell> hey guys i cant get flash videos playing in rekonq
[20:03] <dell> any suggestions?
[20:04] <Chris_H> tsimpson: well, it doesn't seem to work well for me. Everything slags. I had to move to Xrender which seems to work fine although most of the Desktop effects are not available anymore
[20:05] <tsimpson> Chris_H: working and working well are not the same thing
[20:06] <Chris_H> guess so. I ought to have a better Graphics card
[20:09] <Peace-> dell: just install firefox
[20:09] <Peace-> dell: rekonq is not ready for full web experience
[20:09] <Peace-> there is a theme to integrate it on kde
[20:09] <Peace-> btw
[20:10] <Chris_H> dell: or try Chrome
[20:10] <Chris_H> Its awesome
[20:11] <Peace-> chrome has not some feautre that firefox has
[20:11] <Peace-> for example
[20:11] <Peace-> you can't select and print only selection
[20:12] <Chris_H> I think there is an extension for that
[20:12] <James147> Peace-: chrome has everything most people need from a web browser and more :)
[20:12] <Peace-> James147: nope
[20:12] <Peace-> James147: try to select a text
[20:12] <Peace-> and print only selection
[20:12] <Peace-> you can't
[20:12] <Peace-> xD
[20:12] <James147> Peace-: but yes, it dosnt have all of firefoxes bloat
[20:13] <LogicallyDashing> Hey, it looks like the new version of QtWebkit supports java applets. I'd like to get it installed on Maverick. Is there a package I could use?
[20:13] <Chris_H> Anyways, I have hated firefox for its curved corners. Tabs are curved, buttons are curved, what next?
[20:13] <James147> Peace-: most people dont need to print webpages ^^ and even less need to print only a section of a page
[20:14] <Peace-> James147: well if you don't need to learn yes
[20:14] <Peace-> xD
[20:14] <Peace-> anyway Chris_H http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+(Firefox+Theme)?content=117962
[20:14] <James147> Peace-: why do you need to print to learn?
[20:15] <Peace-> James147: try to read math stuff on wikipedia...
[20:15] <Peace-> after 2 hours you will print :)
[20:15]  * James147 has never had a problem with that ^^
[20:16] <James147> Peace-: but then I guess everyone has different prefences :)
[20:16] <Peace-> LogicallyDashing: kpart_webkit for konqueror
[20:16] <Chris_H> Peace: Wow, looks like a remodel of the Windows Version
[20:16] <Chris_H> Cool
[20:16] <LogicallyDashing> Peace-: will that work with rekonq?
[20:17] <Peace-> Chris_H: i have that...
[20:17] <Peace-> LogicallyDashing: nope
[20:17] <Peace-> why rekonq then...
[20:17] <Chris_H> But, Google Chrome is still slimmer (if you are using Linux)
[20:18] <Peace-> i use kubuntu since 3 year
[20:18] <Peace-> linux maybe 5 year
[20:18] <Peace-> s
[20:19] <Peace-> LogicallyDashing: there is a ppa for rekonq
[20:19] <Peace-> LogicallyDashing: and chromium
[20:19] <LogicallyDashing> Peace-: cool thx
[20:19] <Peace-> LogicallyDashing: this should be.... https://launchpad.net/~yoann-laissus/+archive/rekonq-ppa
[20:19] <Peace-> LogicallyDashing: of course it's a ppa so...
[20:20] <Peace-> = no support for problems
[20:20] <LogicallyDashing> Peace-: looks like it only has rekonq and not libqtwebkit
[20:20] <LogicallyDashing> so I think I'll have to switch to Konqueror
[20:20] <Chris_H> Peace: Don't get me wrong, but have you been using Kubuntu since you were 3 Years old?
[20:20] <Peace-> xD
[20:21] <Chris_H> Cool :)
[20:21] <Peace-> i am nowardev man...
[20:21] <Peace-> you can find some stuff i did on kde apps
[20:22] <Peace-> BluesKaj: oh i have upgraded lprinter-qt
[20:22] <Peace-> there was a bug xD
[20:23] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i think you used it , http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/lprinter-qt?content=111784
[20:23] <Chris_H> Anyways, I was wondering, does anyone here rely on XRender compositing rather than OpenGL?
[20:24] <Peace-> Chris_H: why ?
[20:24] <Peace-> xrender it's an old way to get 3d effects
[20:24] <Peace-> it's slower than opengl but it could help you to get effects for some problematic video cards
[20:26] <Chris_H> Peace: Yep, I am having Intel G31 which was never meant for remotely heavy stuff such as OpenGL. So, I had to step back and use Xrender, but I miss the wobbling window effect  :(
[20:27] <Peace-> Chris_H: well there is a ppa...
[20:27] <Peace-> but if you are not expert
[20:27] <Peace-> i will not give it to you
[20:27] <Peace-> because you can break X
[20:27] <Peace-> and if you don't know how to get it back
[20:27] <Peace-> ...
[20:28] <Chris_H> Peace- Nah, I could simply do a reinstall. Its not a biggie
[20:28] <Chris_H> Please tell me :)
[20:29] <Peace-> Chris_H: ok, but if X doens't start , you have to use kernel recovery.... remove ppa and remove the new drinvers  xserver-xorg-video-intel and others
[20:30] <Peace-> Chris_H: and reinstall the old xserver-xorg-video-intel
[20:30] <Peace-> old packagers are here
[20:30] <Peace->  /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:30] <Peace-> to install the older one
[20:30] <Peace-> go into that folder
[20:30] <Chris_H> ok
[20:30] <Peace-> and sudo dpkg -i NAMEPACKAGE.DEB
[20:30] <Peace-> ok now the ppa
[20:31] <Peace-> Chris_H: have you maverick?
[20:31] <Peace-> or lucid or natty?
[20:31] <Chris_H> yes, maverick
[20:32] <Peace-> Chris_H: please i will re-write : this pppa can broke X so use only if you know what you are doing , deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[20:32] <BluesKaj> Peace-, don't worry, my printer isn't working since I installed natty , if I need something printed I just transfer the file to wife's pc and she prints it
[20:32] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD
[20:33] <Peace-> Chris_H: more information about the ppa https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[20:33] <Peace-> Chris_H: how to get konsole login http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/try-to-fix-your-kubuntu-box-with-kernel-recovery/
[20:34] <Peace-> Chris_H: if your X is broken
[20:35] <Chris_H> Peace-: ok, thanks. I will give it a try. If things break big time, I will just do a reinstall.
[20:35] <Peace-> :S
[20:44] <Chris_H> hmm, if it fails, I might have to remove a lot of stuff lol. Wish me luck...
[20:44] <Peace-> Chris_H: xD
[20:44] <Peace-> Chris_H: don't do it
[20:44] <Peace-> you have to know how to fix
[20:45] <Peace-> i have used for my intel untill one day :D
[20:45] <Peace-> tadaaaaa
[20:45] <Peace-> broken
[20:45] <Peace-> but i have fixed in 2 minutes
[20:45] <Chris_H> Cool
[20:45] <Chris_H> Anyways, I will try it
[20:45] <Chris_H> I might be able to fix it, if not reinstall
[20:46] <Chris_H> Both work for me
[20:46] <James147> ^^ fixing things after you break them is always a great way to learn :D
[20:47] <Chris_H> yep, you get to use the terminal a lot.
[20:47] <Peace-> James147: xD
[20:50] <Peace-> James147: i have bought an wireless mouse :P works out the box
[20:52] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I've been using a wireless keyboard and mouse since lucid and it worked right out of the boxtoo.
[20:53] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :P
[20:53] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hp ?
[20:54] <James147> Peace-: wireless with a usb adaprot?
[20:54] <Peace-> James147: yes
[20:54] <James147> Peace-: then should it not just work like any old usb mouse... at least as far as the computer is conserned?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> Peace-, yes , microsoft wirelessKB 1000 with mouse
[20:55] <BluesKaj> and USB adapter
[20:55]  * James147 has never had any problems with wireless mice :)
[20:55] <Peace-> BluesKaj: haahahahaha microsoft
[20:55] <BluesKaj> well.it works on linux too :)
[20:55] <dfdeshom> dfdeshom: test
[20:56] <BluesKaj> 40bucks is a good deal so I bought it
[20:56] <Peace-> well it's a good deal if it works under linux
[20:56] <Peace-> if not  prrrrrrrrr
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Peace-, it works a s a generic 101 key pc KB
[20:58] <Peace-> :)
[20:58] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have bought a wireless mouse of trust
[20:59] <Peace-> and xD doesn't work on linux
[20:59] <Peace-> :S
[20:59] <Chris_H> Peace-: I have installed all the xorg-edger things, should I restart?
[20:59] <Chris_H> Everything looks normal now though
[20:59] <Peace-> Chris_H: have you upgraded packages?
[20:59] <Peace-> i mean
[20:59] <Peace-> sudo apt-get udpate
[20:59] <Chris_H> yes
[20:59] <Peace-> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:59] <Peace-> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:59] <FloodBotK2> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:59]  * Chris_H kicks FloodBotK2
[21:00] <Chris_H> yes
[21:00] <Peace-> ok man... have luck
[21:00] <BluesKaj> Peace-, this KB & mouse are sold together as a combination , both use the usb wireless adapter receiver
[21:00] <Peace-> reboot
[21:01] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :(  this has worked on 9.04
[21:01] <Peace-> BluesKaj: now no :( http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/mouse-wifi-trust-mi-4150-kubuntu-9-04/
[21:05] <Chris_H> hmm, OpenGL works without dragging me to hell
[21:05] <Chris_H> with all the affects turned on...
[21:05] <Chris_H> awesome
[21:06] <Chris_H> *desktop effects
[21:06] <Chris_H> Thanks Peace-
[21:06] <Chris_H> It works
[21:06] <Chris_H>  seconds when booting
[21:06] <Chris_H> *few
[21:07] <Chris_H> Peace-?
[21:07] <Peace-> yes?
[21:08] <Peace-> Chris_H: if it works remove as fast you can the ppa
[21:08] <Peace-> and keep that version of drivers
[21:08] <Chris_H> ok
[21:08] <Peace-> because maybe tomorrow it will not work
[21:08] <Chris_H> thanks for the help
[21:08] <Peace-> no problem :)
[21:09] <Peace-> Chris_H: you can find me always on my blog
[21:09] <Chris_H> Peace-: a link?
[21:09] <Peace-> it's not written so well as i could do but ... you can find me , well i have few time http://nowardev.wordpress.com/
[21:10] <Chris_H> ok
[21:13] <Anthony_> hello
[21:13] <Peace-> hi
[21:13] <Thinkerer68> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2011-April/000144.html
[21:13] <Anthony_> big community, you're all in kubuntu ?
[21:13]  * Thinkerer68 weeps
[21:13] <Anthony_> (i use arch)
[21:14]  * James147 dose as well :)
[21:14] <Peace-> Anthony_: :S
[21:14] <James147> Thinkerer68: kubuntu 8.04 reached end of life years ago ^^
[21:15] <Peace-> xD
[21:15] <Thinkerer68> That's nice. I've been getting updates for everything except KDE 3 all along
[21:19] <Peace-> time to go
[21:19] <Peace-> bye all
[21:20] <marcvda> Hallo, i don't know how i got here.
[21:20] <marcvda> I just started Konversation and hoops, here i were.
[21:21] <James147> Welcome marcvda
[21:21] <marcvda> tnx, James147
[21:22] <marcvda> a real huge channel, i see now. Do all those people really read this?
[21:22] <James147> marcvda: not all the time :)
[21:23] <marcvda> aha, has the rest just started Konversation, just like i did?
[21:24] <James147> marcvda: no, allot have other things to do and comeback every now and then
[21:24] <marcvda> Hai BluesKaj
[21:24] <BluesKaj> hi marcvda
[21:24] <marcvda> aha. I will stay here and see if it is fun.
[21:25] <Riddell> marcvda: this is mostly a support channel so it depends on your definition of fun :)
[21:25] <BluesKaj> James147, heard anything lately about wayland taking over from the X server
[21:25] <James147> marcvda: you are currently in the kubuntu support channel ^^ tends to be quite allot of the time, but you could join #kubuntu-offtopic or/and #ubuntu-offtopic if you want more general chat
[21:26] <James147> BluesKaj: heard about it ^^ though I dont know when its going to happen
[21:26] <James147> or if ^^
[21:26] <marcvda> ok, message understood.
[21:28] <BluesKaj> because X is giving me grief... Riddell , you're in the know about this stuff , does wayland have promise ?
[21:31] <Riddell> BluesKaj: any transition will be in years not months
[21:34] <BluesKaj> Riddell, bummer ..was afraid that would be the case :(
[21:52] <marcvda> list #kubuntu
[21:55] <marcvda> bye 276 other users
[22:45] <katsrc> what's the best way to upgrade to natty?
[22:45] <katsrc> specifically for the Kubuntu users
[22:46] <James147> do-release-upgrade -d   probally
[22:46] <katsrc> should i just manually edit the source.list and change the repos to natty
[22:46] <katsrc> James147: great, thanks!
[22:46] <James147> katsrc: ^^ no, run do-release-upgrade with -d (devel release) and it should handle the upgrade
[22:47] <katsrc> James147: k, i just did that
[22:55] <katsrc> James147: any idea where the log is written to?
[23:08] <James147> katsrc: probally /var/log  ^^ though I do not know