[00:00] <robin0800> wingnut2626, screensaver settings?
[00:00] <wingnut2626> maybe
[00:00] <wingnut2626> i havent tried that
[00:01] <wingnut2626> DUH thanks hommie
[00:05] <lcb> power management |  On Ac Power or On Battery Power |  Dim Display when idle
[00:10] <wingnut2626> it was the screensaver settings.  i forgot about that
[00:18] <ceed^> After all of todays updates natty/unity finally behaves as something looking like a release.
[00:26] <noah_> are these instructions the same for natty? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[01:04] <dmb> hey Amaranth that forum post you attached the amd64 bcm windows drivers
[01:04] <dmb> how did you get that?
[01:04] <dmb> I am looking at the bootcamp drivers on the cd (trying to get 32bit drivers) and its the wl6 driver, but yours is wl5
[01:05] <dmb> this is for the macbook pro bcm wifi card, on that large macbook thread
[01:06] <Jerub> speaking of wifi. this bug is marked as 'fix released' but it's still an ongoing problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/630748
[01:08] <zniavre> i experienced an empty launcher in unity, in fact icons are working but not displayed, please tell me im not alone to get that behavior?
[01:08] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/AHsPn.png
[01:37] <coz_>  hey
[01:47] <ledah_> hi anyone know about makefile programming? i'm trying to install a webcamstudio on natty since debs doesn't work i'm tangled with thes source code @_@
[01:49] <genec> ledah_: some but things can vary.  did you try to read up on some install instructions and ensure that all of the -dev libraries of its dependencies are installed?
[01:51] <ledah_> i'm not sure, the instructions said compile on netbeans, alrady did the program works, but it needs to create a virtual dev when i try to do sudo make install it throws me this error: depmod -ae WARNING: -e needs -E or -F
[01:52] <genec> sounds like the makefile was made for an older depmod version
[01:53] <ledah_> so what can i do? this is the makefile http://pastebin.com/CcXuLrFz
[01:56] <genec> did you try 'man depmod' yet?
[01:57] <genec> depmod's -F will need a file regarding your kernel
[02:00] <genec> now to test grub/btrfs for the 7th time...
[02:06] <genec> ledah_: so you followed http://www.ws4gl.org/download/compiling I'd assume?
[02:06] <ledah_> yes
[02:06] <MaximLevitsky> How to add #ubuntu to contact window of empathy?
[02:09] <ledah_> MaximLevitsky room»join
[02:10] <MaximLevitsky> ledah_: I don't need to join a room
[02:10] <MaximLevitsky> I want to add it to contact list
[02:10] <MaximLevitsky> So I could join by just clicking it
[02:11] <MaximLevitsky> Where best to ask questions about unity?
[02:12] <majnoon> did they fix wubi ??
[02:13] <rww> MaximLevitsky: natty's version of unity? here.
[02:13] <ledah_> enter to the room
[02:13] <MaximLevitsky> OK
[02:13] <rww> which doesn't mean this place is good at answering questions about unity, but whatevs.
[02:13] <ledah_> and in conversation add it to favorite chat
[02:13] <ledah_> room
[02:14] <ledah_> and let it autoconnect
[02:14] <MaximLevitsky> ledah_: you mean tick the 'favotite room' checkbox?
[02:14] <MaximLevitsky> It is checked
[02:14] <MaximLevitsky> nothing in contact list
[02:15] <majnoon> did they fix wubi ??
[02:15] <MaximLevitsky> Unity is supposed to be the next big thing in usability, right?
[02:15] <MaximLevitsky> OK, I assume it is
[02:15] <genec> majnoon: topic?
[02:15] <rww> majnoon: There hasn't been a new release milestone since Beta 1, so no.
[02:15] <majnoon> on ubuntu site said natty wubi install not working
[02:16] <genec> majnoon: did you read the channel topic?
[02:16] <MaximLevitsky> I currently am doing some homework and I keep a virtual desktop for it
[02:16] <MaximLevitsky> I open few PDFs, firefox with uni site, so far so good
[02:17] <MaximLevitsky> OK, now I want to relax a bit, I switch to different VT
[02:17] <MaximLevitsky> I open firefox to read slashdot
[02:17] <MaximLevitsky> WTF? Unity switches me back to old desktop where I have it open
[02:17] <MaximLevitsky> So, this is usable?
[02:18] <MaximLevitsky> I also keep a VT for some hobby programming
[02:18] <MaximLevitsky> I open few terminals there a text editor
[02:19] <MaximLevitsky> But now I switch to homework desktop and I want to open a editor
[02:19] <MaximLevitsky> WTF? I am can't
[02:19] <MaximLevitsky> This is usable?
[02:20] <MaximLevitsky> I pretent to be not that computer literate for a moment
[02:20] <MaximLevitsky> You tell me to select room->join to
[02:21] <MaximLevitsky> WTF? where that menu is I ask myself
[02:21] <MaximLevitsky> I now need to click on each window, then I need to figure out that I need to move my mouse to top of the screen
[02:22] <MaximLevitsky> And only then see that menu
[02:22] <MaximLevitsky> Usable?
[02:22] <genec> I think I read that Unity pulled the menu out of the app window into the main task bar and should change based on the active app
[02:22] <MaximLevitsky> Exactly
[02:22] <MaximLevitsky> No menus on screen now
[02:22]  * genec hasn't tried on real hardware yet.
[02:22] <MaximLevitsky> So to click a menu one has to searth for it
[02:23] <genec> to find the system menu or an app's menu?
[02:23] <ledah_> the app
[02:23] <MaximLevitsky> app menu of course
[02:23] <ledah_> isn't visible all the time
[02:24] <MaximLevitsky> that global menu is even worse that in mac
[02:24] <ledah_> you must go up idk if alt plus a letter might work
[02:24] <ledah_> i changed unity for gnome shell...
[02:24] <ledah_> is more stable..
[02:24] <MaximLevitsky> I mean maybe I am an idiot, dunno, but what is usable in unity?
[02:24] <ledah_> compiz
[02:25] <MaximLevitsky> or unity sidebar playing hide and seek with you when you try to unhide it?
[02:26] <RxDx> is there any kind of network speed meter like 'netspeed' of gnome, for unity?
[02:26] <MaximLevitsky> I want to minimize  a window....
[02:26] <MaximLevitsky> Sure I just ckick its icon in Unity
[02:26] <MaximLevitsky> WTF? Nothing happens
[02:26] <ledah_> the behaviour of the side bar is great but it wont open if there's a window where it should be
[02:26] <ledah_> ?
[02:27] <ledah_> no the minimize work for me
[02:28] <MaximLevitsky> ledah_: you mean you can minimize if you click on an icon in sidebar?
[02:29] <ledah_> ohh i don't use the icons in that position i have them in the other corner
[02:29] <MaximLevitsky> And how I distinguish between minimized and not windows?
[02:29] <MaximLevitsky> OK, not minimized have two arrows, and minimized one
[02:30] <MaximLevitsky> That is usable?
[02:31] <charlie-tca> MaximLevitsky: it helps if you file bugs about the things actually broken
[02:31] <charlie-tca> No one fixes what they don't know
[02:31] <MaximLevitsky> I understand that all of this is policy
[02:31] <ledah_> also send them sugestions
[02:31] <ledah_> they can't read your mind
[02:32] <charlie-tca> However, continuous rants do nothing to help anyone
[02:32] <ledah_> i send them one about putting another panel down and adding icons and the window selector
[02:32] <MaximLevitsky> ledah_: and that hepled?
[02:33] <ledah_> who knows we will have to wait until new release
[02:34] <charlie-tca> It is even possible things will get fixed after the release ;-)
[02:34] <torchie> i sort of figured out the battery issue!?
[02:34] <wrathology> can #ubuntu 11.04 run from a stick?
[02:34] <MaximLevitsky> RxDx: forget it
[02:34] <torchie> set it to do nothing
[02:34] <Amaranth> dmb: I looked for a broadcom 4331 driver for windows xp
[02:34] <torchie> seemed to be okay for a while
[02:34] <torchie> much longer than if I didn't turn on do nothing
[02:34] <Amaranth> dmb: the 6 one is for vista/7 and doesn't work at all with ndiswrapper
[02:35] <charlie-tca> wrathology: yes
[02:35] <RxDx> MaximLevitsky, just like it?
[02:35] <torchie> and now it's reporting icons besides "full" and "empty"
[02:35] <Amaranth> the 5 one seems to work for people that aren't me
[02:35] <dmb> Amaranth: oh, only xp drivers work?
[02:35] <dmb> ah
[02:35] <MaximLevitsky> RxDx: we aren't supposed to be able to customize panel at all
[02:35] <Amaranth> dmb: Not strictly but usually
[02:35] <torchie> 36%!
[02:35] <torchie> amazing
[02:35] <dmb> Amaranth: you don't know if that same place has a 32bit driver do you?
[02:35] <Amaranth> dmb: I don't even know where I got it
[02:35] <Amaranth> dmb: some random driver collection website
[02:35] <MaximLevitsky> RxDx: after all in windows panel isn't much customizable and thus we must copy that feature
[02:35] <dmb> oh
[02:36] <RxDx> MaximLevitsky, what language is indicated to program this kind of app?
[02:36] <charlie-tca> MaximLevitsky: not helpful nor true
[02:36] <Amaranth> dmb: It did have 32-bit though, it had xp, vista/7, and 32-bit and 64-bit for each
[02:36] <dmb> GerbilEgg: oh
[02:36] <dmb> erm
[02:36] <dmb> i'll try to hunt for it
[02:37] <torchie> HMM
[02:37] <torchie> hmm
[02:37] <MaximLevitsky> RxDx: btw the non-cusomizable panel in winows is the sole reason I don't use window
[02:37] <torchie> battery stats report percentage but the top bar is stuck on estimating...
[02:37] <torchie> oh my gosh1
[02:37] <MaximLevitsky> RxDx: I tried to use window for a while, but I am too used to bottom bar with taskbar and top bar with shortcuts
[02:38] <torchie> maybe it's fixed1
[02:38] <torchie> non-customizable panel in windows?
[02:39] <MaximLevitsky> torchie: you can customize them a bit but not much
[02:39] <charlie-tca> MaximLevitsky and RxDx : there is a session selector at the bottom of the GDM login screen. You can select "classic" to have the old gnome session with top and bottom panels and all you are used to.
[02:39] <MaximLevitsky> You can't move start button for example
[02:40] <MaximLevitsky> charlie-tca: wanna bet that feature will disappear in next ubuntu version?
[02:40] <charlie-tca> and that makes it unusable now?
[02:40] <charlie-tca> so, you are ranting about what has not happened yet?
[02:42] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: In 11.10 by default it'll offer Ubuntu and whatever they end up calling the unity-2d session
[02:42] <ledah_> still if you don't like it simply pick another there are gnome3, kde, xcfe just to mention a few ones
[02:42] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: You'll have to install extra stuff to get "classic" back
[03:00] <jorgp> is there any mirror that still has beta1 package files? I have tried alot of images and none of them have the packages
[03:01] <jorgp> can not use todays daily because of the unity 1.8.4 -> 1.8.6 issue
[03:08] <torchie> why move the start button
[03:10] <charlie-tca> jorgp: dvd's at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/beta-1/
[03:11] <jorgp> yeah I know, I was trying to use jigdo
[03:11] <charlie-tca> cd's at http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[03:12] <charlie-tca> jorgp: that second one has the jigdo files
[03:12] <jorgp> I have the jigdo files, the packages that are in the jigdo files are missing from all the mirrors I have tried
[03:13] <noob> i ran the command compiz --replace and my x out buttons dissapered. halp?
[03:14] <torchie> when's beta 2?
[03:15] <charlie-tca> torchie: April 14
[03:15] <jorgp> looks like around april 14
[03:15] <charlie-tca> torchie: !schedule
[03:15] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[03:16] <rcconf> when will it be out
[03:18] <jorgp> looks like april 28
[03:20] <rcconf> ty
[03:20] <rcconf> !date
[03:20] <rcconf> !party
[03:21] <rww> #u-r-p isn't open yet, btw.
[03:21] <rww> ChanServ and I are having a heck of a party in there.
[03:22] <jorgp> so every 3 release then a LTS right? next LTS will be 12.04?
[03:22] <rcconf> jorgp: I don't think it's that way
[03:22] <rww> jorgp: usually every four. 10.04 was LTS, 12.04 will probably be LTS.
[03:22] <charlie-tca> jorgp: yes, that is the current plan, for 12.04 to be LTS
[03:23] <jorgp> great, looking forward to it
[03:23] <rcconf> does kernel update in Natty really matters if my computer is working fine now?
[03:23] <Jerub> hm. new kernel. going to test the intel wireless with 80211n to see if it's magically fixed.
[03:23] <ledah_> i'm frustated anyone knows if there is a irc to help me make the makefile to add two virtual devices?
[03:25] <jorgp> btw, I think 11.04 looks awesome
[03:25] <jorgp> I like that osx feel
[03:25] <rcconf> I dont know if im gonna like unity
[03:25] <rcconf> I like to keep OS simple
[03:25] <rcconf> without effects and stuff
[03:25] <rww> I don't mind it thusfar, and I'm usually hypercritical of Canonical and GNOME :)
[03:26] <jorgp> well, I have been using osx for years, so it is a welcome change
[03:26] <jorgp> I went back to gnome because at last look at kde, it has gone was to radical for me (4.6.1)
[03:27] <jorgp> looking forward to gnome 3 in ubuntu
[03:27] <benzaldehyde> i've been thinking of switching to gentoo :D
[03:28] <jorgp> gentoo is ok, but a pain
[03:28] <rcconf> how to check gnome version in terminal
[03:28] <jorgp> essepicially maintanance
[03:28] <jorgp> unless you just stick with gentoo stable
[03:29] <jorgp> and you have a fairly fast machine
[03:29] <ledah_> i'm using gnome 3 with shell, but i don't know how i can make the middle mouse button open activities
[03:29] <ledah_> gentoo is really that hard?
[03:29] <charlie-tca> rcconf: apt-cache policy gnome
[03:30] <jorgp> gentoo not really hard, you just have to configure everything
[03:30] <Jerub> does anyone here have access to change bug status on the launchpad tracker?
[03:30] <charlie-tca> Depends on the bug
[03:30] <Jerub> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/630748 is marked as fix-released, but i can confirm that it's still very broken.
[03:30] <Bite> Natty 11.4?
[03:31] <Bite> Is is a remake of the original?
[03:31] <benzaldehyde> jorgp: true, i tried it once, every little thing had to be set. but being on ppc64 architecture there are only so many distros i can have. i think i ought to get a disc of all the latest free OSes that i can put on this, at the very least my skill at installations should improve which always seem to account for 70 percent of my time spent with linux, just getting it to run right
[03:31] <Jerub> running latest everything, unless i have a /etc/modprobe.d/ file to disable 802.11n, it bounces my wireless after less than a few seconds of sustained transfer.
[03:31] <rcconf> Bite: no, it's a new version of Ubuntu
[03:31] <Bite> rcconf: well then.
[03:31] <rcconf> Bite: it's not stable yet
[03:31] <rcconf> only 28 april
[03:32] <rww> !schedule
[03:32] <charlie-tca> Jerub: I would suggest filing a new bug and referencing that one in the comments. That type of bug can be tricky depending on the hardware
[03:33] <charlie-tca> Jerub: it is still showing open for linux upstream, so it may not have gotten fixed for every hardware.
[03:33] <jorgp> benzaldehyde: true
[03:33] <Jerub> charlie-tca: i have literally the same laptop as the people in the bug report. X200s with Intel 5300
[03:33] <charlie-tca> literally or exact?
[03:33] <charlie-tca> if your hardware is at all different, it takes a different fix, most of the time.
[03:33] <Jerub> as far as literal interpretations go, it's the same hardware.
[03:34] <charlie-tca> It needs to be exact matches
[03:34] <rww> literally isn't an opposite of exact :|
[03:34] <jorgp> how safe is it to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04?
[03:34] <Bite> So another two weeks or so and it's stable? i guess it's time for a new hdd. I have been wanting to dedicate one.
[03:34] <Jerub> jorgp: that depends. do you have intel wireless? :P
[03:34] <Bite> jorgp: that depends.
[03:34] <jorgp> well, current 11.04
[03:35] <rww> jorgp: not very, since 11.04 isn't stable ;P
[03:35] <jorgp> no
[03:35] <rcconf> jorgp: I would do a fresh install
[03:35] <Bite> jorgp: i would wait for the final release.
[03:36] <jorgp> well, I have it installed in a virtual machine, runs fine for me, just changing virtual machines. I used a 11.04 daily, but I updated daily today and todays daily is broken
[03:36] <Jerub> charlie-tca: just verified by looking at the log output from the bug report. it's the exact same revision of the same wireless card.
[03:37] <Bite> What exactly does sudo apt-get update do?
[03:37] <jorgp> guess I could wait to tomorrows dily, which the package has already been fixed today
[03:37] <Jerub> Bite: 'update' downloads new package lists so it knows what versions are available.
[03:37] <genec> jorgp: "today's daily is broken"  how?
[03:37] <ceed^> If someone here are using indicator-weather in Unity have you noticed an error message when installing the latest update?
[03:38] <jorgp> dependences
[03:38] <rww> Bite: updates the local copy of the list of packages available on the repository server
[03:38] <jorgp> some package wanted unity 1.8.6, but was going to install 1.8.4
[03:38] <Bite> err, i meant upgrade. I know update.
[03:39] <genec> jorgp: 11, 11.1 or 11.2?  it appears they rapid cycled the builds today.
[03:39]  * jorgp looks
[03:39] <rww> Bite: attempts to upgrade all packages to the latest version available in the repositories without removing packages
[03:40] <genec> I think someone slipped in a bug fix for a bug I noticed, hence why I'm working with 11.2, atm.
[03:40] <Bite> rww: thanks for the info.
[03:41] <genec> Bite: for a non-cli but text interface, aptitude can help.
[03:41] <jorgp> genec: I think it was 11.1
[03:41] <jorgp> updating to 11.2 now
[03:41] <Bite> genec: aptitude?
[03:42] <genec> Bite: yes.  before I switched to Ubuntu, I used it as my primary UI for package management.  it's a lot more friendly than long command lines
[03:43] <genec> on occasion, I've still used it on Ubuntu
[03:43] <Bite> How can i update gnome? what's the easiest way, that is.
[03:45] <jorgp> genec: its updating 52 files, so broken daily probably fixed
[03:46] <genec> if it still works, I'd think Synaptic and remember to restart your user session soon.
[03:46] <jorgp> genec: thanks
[03:46] <genec> jorgp: jigdo?
[03:46] <jorgp> yes
[03:46]  * genec needs to start doing that.
[03:46] <jorgp> works great
[03:47] <jorgp> looks like this will fix it, it just picked up the new unity package
[03:48] <genec> except compared to one time that I was downloading some release ISOs, a jigdo would be lucky at 1/4 the speed.
[03:48] <rww> I use zsync, personally
[03:48] <jorgp> genec: I had to install in parallels because I tried 11.04 a week ago in vmware fusion and no sound, but worked fine in parallels
[03:49] <jorgp> so I am going to try todays daily in fusion
[03:49] <genec> strange.
[03:49] <jorgp> yeah, that is what I thought
[03:50] <genec> hmm.. didn't configure this VM for sound...
[03:50] <jorgp> everything worked great in fusion but the sound
[03:52] <genec> rww: how does zsync compare to jigdo?
[03:52] <rww> genec: zsync doesn't confuse me and jigdo does ;)
[03:55] <jorgp> genec: installing, lets see what happens
[04:01] <genec> jorgp: in another 4-5 hours, I'd expect 12, based on previous timestamps
[04:02] <IdleOne> can someone do: apt-cache policy preload
[04:02] <IdleOne> is it installed by default?
[04:03] <IdleOne> because I don't remember ever installing it
[04:05] <rww> IdleOne: no
[04:05] <IdleOne> hmm
[04:05] <rww> it's also in universe, so... ;P
[04:05] <IdleOne> I must have installed it at some point
[04:05] <rww> apt-cache rdepends?
[04:06] <genec> IdleOne: apt-cache should be a binary in apt
[04:06] <rww> genec: he means preload, not apt-cache
[04:06] <IdleOne> rww: rdepends shows nothing
[04:06] <rww> IdleOne: I guess you did, then ;P
[04:06] <genec> rww: woops
[04:06] <IdleOne> yup
[04:07] <IdleOne> rww: looks like I need a prepreload to speed up the preload
[04:07] <IdleOne> :)
[04:07] <rww> postload
[04:12] <dmb> Amaranth: i do not know how you found this! my google queries are not very good
[04:15] <jorgp> genec: once I install the daily, then I just upgrade packages
[04:16] <Amaranth> dmb: I think I searched for the pciid
[04:17] <Amaranth> dmb: Found a new guide, seems Dell has the same chip
[04:17] <Amaranth> dmb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=760568
[04:17] <dmb> oh nice :)
[04:18] <jorgp> to that person that was looking at gentoo, gentoo has not figured out how to get all packages working with python 2.7, so it install both python 2.6 and 2.7
[04:27] <FooFooTei> i've got netbook natty installed and ....my menu has disappeared...how do I fix it?
[04:28] <FooFooTei> actually, I upgraded from 10.10 to natty and then everything went well until after I logged in.. :(
[04:30] <ceed^> FooFooTei, Did you log into Gnome or Unity?
[04:30] <FooFooTei> I upgraded to the default...I'm guessing that's gnome since I upgraded?
[04:31] <FooFooTei> the system is still usable from the cmdline since I'm using it right now
[04:31] <ceed^> FooFooTei, In 11.04 Unity is default if your graphics hardware can run it. Does your desktop look like Gnome?
[04:32] <ceed^> FooFooTei, So you can't log into a desktop environment at all?
[04:32] <FooFooTei> I was running unity under 10.10....
[04:32] <FooFooTei> and it looks like unity now but there's no menus
[04:32] <FooFooTei> I can login to unity...there's just no menus on the left or the top
[04:32] <jorgp> genec: interesting.. saya fusion does not have the hardware to run unity, but it runs in parallels
[04:33] <ceed^> FooFooTei, There's no launcher on the left and no bar on the top?
[04:33] <FooFooTei> that's correct.
[04:34] <ceed^> FooFooTei, Try to log into classic Gnome, first with effects and then without. If you can do that the problem is most likely with Unity.
[04:34] <FooFooTei> this is an eeepc 1005ha which was working with unity okay under 10.10
[04:35] <FooFooTei> ceed^: is gnome also installed along side unity? or do I have to install it and then choose it on boot?
[04:35] <ceed^> FooFooTei, never ran Unity with 10.10 myself
[04:36] <ceed^> FooFooTei, I have all three which were installed by default: Unity which is called Ubuntu, Gnome with effects and Gnome without.
[04:36] <jorgp> interesting, got unity working, but I think it crashed
[04:36] <FooFooTei> okay...time to 'sudo shutdown -r now'
[04:38] <ceed^> jorgp, Unity has crashed a lot for me but it always comes back. After todays updates it seems much more stable.
[04:38] <jorgp> hmm, it crashed and stayed gone, still no sound
[04:39] <jorgp> strange, now sound it working
[04:39] <foofootei> ubuntu classic is a go. unity... no go
[04:40] <foofootei> I've already filed a bug on this bit ...maybe I need to add more details
[04:40] <ceed^> foofootei, is it Classic with effects?
[04:40] <foofootei> ceed^: yes
[04:40] <jorgp> yes, unity did not crash until the update
[04:40] <ceed^> so compiz works
[04:40] <foofootei> transparancy working well
[04:41] <ceed^> foofootei, if you upgraded and had Unity on 10.10 maybe your old settings for it messes up the new version in 11.04?
[04:42] <foofootei> ceed^: in that case, how would I change everything back to install defaults? I didn't make a lot of changes to unity in 10.10
[04:42] <foofootei> ceed^: hence I rather doubt that is the issue
[04:42] <ubuntuguy> Anyone took an operating system class in college?
[04:42] <foofootei> ubuntuguy: dinosaur book?
[04:42] <ubuntuguy> huh? lol
[04:43] <PresuntoRJ> is there an easy way to customize the number of workspaces in Unity ?
[04:43] <foofootei> ubuntuguy: nevermind...there's a (in?)famous OS book that has dinosaurs on the front
[04:43] <ceed^> foofootei, I really do not know much about how Unity stores it's settings. I've seen some in gconf, and there are some found in ccsm
[04:43] <ubuntuguy> lol
[04:44] <PresuntoRJ> ceed^: ccsm wont install on Natty due to some dependency issue
[04:44] <ubuntuguy> Offtopic: Anyone ever used minix ?
[04:44] <PresuntoRJ> ceed^: thanks any way
[04:44] <foofootei> ubuntuguy: I think #minix exists...
[04:44] <ceed^> PresuntoRJ, ccsm runs fine here
[04:44] <ubuntuguy> cool
[04:44] <ubuntuguy> let me check
[04:44] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: not reeally, there used to be yet another Unix like in my universety
[04:45] <PresuntoRJ> ceed^: :-/
[04:45] <ubuntuguy> Oh
[04:45] <foofootei> ceed^: man what a turd Unity is in 11.04
[04:45] <ubuntuguy> unity rules man
[04:45] <ubuntuguy> I love unity
[04:45] <ubuntuguy> I just miss the applications menu at the top
[04:45] <dmb> Amaranth: thats actually 4313, not 4331 :(
[04:45] <PresuntoRJ> ceed^: I`ll try it again, there were a bunch of upgrades earlier today...
[04:45] <foofootei> ubuntuguy: try installing Cisco Unity and then tell me what you think of Unity. :P
[04:45] <ceed^> foofootei, thing is I haven't had much trouble with it at all other than the normal quirks found in a beta
[04:46] <ubuntuguy> cisco unity?
[04:46] <foofootei> completely unrelated but ...bleah
[04:46] <ceed^> PresuntoRJ, I had 95 updates earlier today. And then some later during the day. Whoa!
[04:46] <foofootei> ceed^: welp, I just did a regular upgrade so I can't really say much more than that...
[04:47] <PresuntoRJ> ceed^: oh yeah... it running now.... but it used to be so simpler for the avarage user
[04:47] <foofootei> ceed^: it's not like I was trying to do anything too wacky.. unity is just being uncooperative
[04:47] <ceed^> foofootei, I never upgrade. I keep /home separate and do fresh installs every times
[04:47] <foofootei> ceed^: I'm just doing it to help the software testing cycle as there are A LOT of people who aren't like you and upgrade from version to version
[04:48] <PresuntoRJ> ceed^: many warnings from python 2.7 on ccsm... but it still there
[04:48] <foofootei> ceed^: reinstalling isn't a problem but if unity disappears for normal users on upgrade...that's not going to fly
[04:48] <ceed^> foofootei, true.
[04:48] <xgt001> hey everyone.... ati prop drivers make unity really slow any fixes pls???
[04:48] <ubuntuguy> Man, I wish they'd put back the applications menu in ubuntu 11.04, but I love the unity bar
[04:48] <Amaranth> dmb: It doesn't matter, the ndiswrapper driver doesn't work right, it hangs the kernel or you lose your keyboard and mouse
[04:48] <PresuntoRJ> foofootei: I always do-release-upgrade too
[04:48] <Amaranth> dmb: Just plug in ethernet or buy a usb adapter
[04:49] <dmb> i have usb adapters, its just nicer :/
[04:49] <dmb> i tend to break the usb ones
[04:49] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: You can try to logon on the Ubuntu-Classic version (in the login) and Gnome is still there
[04:49] <xgt001> anyone testing unity with proprietary ati drivers??? :/
[04:50] <ubuntuguy> ik
[04:50] <ubuntuguy> but I like unity
[04:50] <foofootei> PresuntoRJ: I figure I might as well test the upgrade out so folks can fix it before gametime.
[04:50] <ubuntuguy> I'm going to use unity
[04:50] <PresuntoRJ> xgt001: only nvidia and intel, sorry
[04:50] <ubuntuguy> just miss the applications, places, settings etc
[04:51] <PresuntoRJ> foofootei: to lucid it was hell, to maverick is was mostly ok... to natty, only some missing information from my account details - and of course, I still hate Unity ;)
[04:51] <ubuntuguy> Why do you hate unity
[04:51] <ubuntuguy> give it a chance
[04:52] <xgt001> PresuntoRJ: there has been a new unity build  which supports ati drivers but its sooo sluggish.... oss driver was too good except that it was quite poor at cooling and battery
[04:52] <xgt001> any fixes pls...:(
[04:54] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: many things... things disapeared... I consider most of them to be a regression
[04:54] <ubuntuguy> It's beta
[04:54] <foofootei> I don't think Unity is so bad. I think it's a step in the right direction in terms of general usability
[04:54] <ubuntuguy> don't forgot
[04:54] <ubuntuguy> lol
[04:54] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: no way to run multiple instances of the same app (I know the default to refocus the running is good, but at leaset a right click, pls)
[04:55] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: no easy way to set workspaces
[04:55] <ubuntuguy> That I hate, but it's still beta
[04:55] <xgt001> foofootei: couldnt agree more :) love unity :)
[04:55] <ubuntuguy> I'm sure they'll add that in
[04:55] <PresuntoRJ> the application bar creepes the hell of my mother
[04:56] <rww> what.
[04:56] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: I have filed a bunch of bug on usability and ergonometrics of it, since UNE, and many new on natty
[04:56] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, they'll work it out
[04:56] <ubuntuguy> I can't wait for unity
[04:56] <ubuntuguy> :D
[04:56] <ubuntuguy> I love change
[04:56] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: no way, unity has been arround for MANY ubuntu releases, only in the Netbook arena, but still basicaly the same
[04:56] <foofootei> it's a variation of OS X's GUI methods
[04:57] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, but I've never used it
[04:57] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: a few PPAs came to the main project, thats it
[04:57] <foofootei> I think it's important to apply different HCI principles... and unity is just part of that
[04:57] <ubuntuguy> I can't wait for it
[04:57] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: do they keep a easy way to open the window menu? I have to use Alt+Spc... no way my mom or my brother will ever learn it
[04:58] <foofootei> No GUI will satisfy all users' needs
[04:58] <ubuntuguy> Just click it
[04:58] <ubuntuguy> You mean to find your applications?
[04:58] <foofootei> time to go~
[04:58] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: I don`t fear change by it self... I just don`t like it when its not done properly
[04:59] <ubuntuguy> You have to keep in mind that it's stilll in beta
[04:59] <ubuntuguy> Wait for Beta 2
[04:59] <ubuntuguy> I'm sure tons of thigns changed
[05:00] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: the systen it self is beta, the unity is not... I have been using it now for over 1 year... the changes are no excuse to brake the usability and to hide usefu
[05:01] <ubuntuguy> The unity desktop verison so to say is in beta
[05:01] <ubuntuguy> They've changed quite a few things with it
[05:02] <ubuntuguy> brb
[05:03] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: I realise bete is for testing, and its not supposed to work out of the box, bugs happen, etc... but its no excuse for poor ideas
[05:04] <ubuntuguy> I happen to think the ideas are intuative brb
[05:06] <PresuntoRJ> :D
[05:06] <PresuntoRJ> ok
[05:06] <PresuntoRJ> usually are
[05:06] <digitalfiz> id like a right click to open a new instance of the app in the sidebar too
[05:06] <PresuntoRJ> now my empaty keeps freezing when I type a full line of text !
[05:07] <PresuntoRJ> digitalfiz: there is a bug I have filed for that
[05:07] <PresuntoRJ> #758341
[05:08] <PresuntoRJ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-place-applications/+bug/758341
[05:08] <PresuntoRJ> digitalfiz: go there and tell this bug affects you too !
[05:09] <trism> digitalfiz: you can middle click the launcher to start a new instance of an app if one is already running
[05:15] <PresuntoRJ> ubuntuguy: back, from empathy grave... :)
[05:16] <akavlie> regarding Unity, it seems there's no way to change my main display (for app icon bar & zeitgeist or whatever) from laptop to external monitor. That alone is a deal breaker for me.
[05:17] <Truculent> is anyone using unity with multiple monitors?
[05:17] <Truculent> I can't move windows between monitors, but I can move my mouse between them
[05:23] <ubuntuguy> Back
[05:23] <ubuntuguy> lol
[05:28] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: I have to try this...
[05:29] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: did you clone the screens on the external monitor or exanded it? can it be set to be the main?
[05:30] <akavlie> PresuntoRJ, I always run extended
[05:31] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: plugin in right now on my HDTV
[05:33] <akavlie> I'm surprised more people aren't running this way, I thought this was the most common setup these days.
[05:34] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: no, usually only on the notebook (netbook is too small for most uses) ... even when I project or use an external monitor (or HDTV), only clone the two ... I
[05:36] <PresuntoRJ> sorry... back again
[05:37] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: empathy keeps freezing on Natty
[05:38] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: to my list of no-nos in Unity, there isno simple way to access the Admin and Preferences settings (like it used to), so, no easy way to CHANGE the video settings
[05:39] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: it works with clone images
[05:40] <akavlie> naturally it works when cloned. Cloned = same image on both displays
[05:40] <akavlie> which is no good for an external display except for a projector.
[05:41] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: it does not work with extended at all
[05:41] <xgt001> hey how to spin down hardisk to decrease the noise??
[05:41] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: it kind of blinked there for a milisecond when I was changing the position of the external monitor in relation
[05:41] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie:  even when its on the left position (the laptop beeing the extension)
[05:42] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: really odd... you should file a bug report
[05:43] <akavlie> PresuntoRJ, yeah, whenever I've done that it ends up being a duplicate.
[05:43] <PresuntoRJ> xgt001: you can try to click on the energy icon on panel (if its a laptop, there is a battery icon) and open the preferences
[05:43] <akavlie> and it's not easy
[05:43] <xgt001> PresuntoRJ:
[05:44] <xgt001> PresuntoRJ: i selected the spin down hardisk option
[05:44] <xgt001> but still its not workinh
[05:44] <PresuntoRJ> xgt001: there is also the energyy manager icon on the menu (not sure where it is on Natty, could need to type for it)
[05:44] <xgt001> should i install it through synaptic??
[05:45] <PresuntoRJ> xgt001: hum... mine does... what is your HDD model, by the way... that might be a bug
[05:45] <PresuntoRJ> xgt001: no, its the same app, just another way to get there
[05:46] <xgt001> PresuntoRJ: i had similar problems in windows untill i set the cooling to passive
[05:46] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: I have counted that I need to click my mouse 7 times to open my video settings !
[05:46] <xgt001> is there a similar option here?
[05:46] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: this got to be considered a regression
[05:46] <PresuntoRJ> xgt001: most likely, there is... I am not sure how to now
[05:47] <akavlie> PresuntoRJ, yeah in my brief tryouts of Unity, it seems to make a lot of things more inaccessible. I don't have good impressions so far; sticking with Ubuntu Classic.
[05:48] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: I will keep using it durring the testing, to try to get them fix it
[05:51] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: ok, to be fair, I can type the name of the app, like in gnome-do, and it can be faster, but a big no-no for my mom
[05:52] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: long time no see :D
[05:52] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  hey guy
[05:53] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: long discussion here on Unity today... ;)
[05:53] <coz_> oh?  let me check scroll back
[05:54] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  I see that :)
[05:54] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: dont worry, mostly, we hate it
[05:54] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  oh?  you guys hate Unity?
[05:54] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: me and akavlie for sure, there others are quiet
[05:55] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  I make no secret about it,,, Unity is ONLY for netbooks and monitors smaller than 15"  period
[05:55] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: I can see the point, as an idea, but it seems too ill implemented
[05:56] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: so it should NEVER be set to default ubuntu option
[05:56] <akavlie> PresuntoRJ, yeah I don't think typing to pull up an app is intended as the primary navigation anywhere. That's a shortcut.
[05:56] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  I like what is being done for the netbook most expecially compiz as the compositor and not mutter
[05:56] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: how come?
[05:57] <coz_> well the icon on the launcher with the + in a circle ,, click that to type in the app name  or right click it for the menu
[05:57] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: even on my netbook I have not used it since it debutted in UNE... I am really trying to use it in Natty testing period, but I doubt my mom will ever bother
[05:57] <PresuntoRJ> accttually, the left bar (whatever the name) creeped her
[05:58] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  it is a "trend"   to look like mobile devices
[05:58] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,   remember that Dell also sells systems with ubuntu on it  and I believe there were quite a few complaints about the netbook edition when mutter was being used
[05:58] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  mutter was a resource hog at best,,
[05:59] <wabz> my sidebar/stuff has started showing up behind app windows, making it invisible and unusable, how can I fix that?
[05:59] <wabz> also, if for example I have urxvt in the launcher, and open one of them, how can I open another one?
[05:59] <coz_> wabz,  not sure,, I hear that todays stuff is a bit querky
[05:59] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: mutter is not the bigest issue, I have been using itt via PPA every now and then, but things are hidden 7 mouse clicks away
[06:00] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: no easy way to do a lot of easy things, like opening another instance of an application
[06:00] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: no easy way to set workspaces, video, energy (whatever was in admin and preferences)
[06:00] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: and on and on
[06:01] <rww> PresuntoRJ: top-right icon -> System Settings
[06:01] <akavlie> PresuntoRJ, how come typing should never be primary navigation??
[06:01] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: are you kiddin me?
[06:01] <PresuntoRJ> :D
[06:01] <rww> or type e.g. 'power' in the run thing
[06:01] <coz_> akavlie,  I believe because most users dont want to type anything,, they want things to be available easily
[06:01] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: I love vim, but its NOT for everyone
[06:01] <audhi>  rww how to add extra workspaces?
[06:02] <coz_> audhi,  ccsm
[06:02] <audhi> in ubuntu 11.04
[06:02] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: I love gnome-do, again, not for everyone
[06:02] <akavlie> PresuntoRJ, not sure if you are understanding me wrong... I'm agreeing with you (I think)
[06:02] <rww> audhi: no idea, I don't use workspaces
[06:02] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: even if I loved Unity (don`t really see it coming in the near future), I doubt it could be for everyone...
[06:03] <coz_> akavlie,  open ccsm  go to general optionis  Desktop size tab   Horizonatl virtual size
[06:03] <PresuntoRJ> akavlie: Irony does not work well over IRC... ;)
[06:03] <infid> i installed ubuntu 11.04 beta1 and the menu bar at the top refuses to show up, i rebooted too. it shows up fine when i just ran the 'demo' off the cd, but not once it's actually installed
[06:03] <akavlie> coz_, what is that about?
[06:03] <coz_> akavlie,  workspace increase
[06:03] <akavlie> directed at audhi?
[06:04] <infid> i am running the 32bit version and inside of a guest virtual machine in virtual box
[06:04] <coz_> oh!!!
[06:04] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: where?
[06:04] <rww> you need to use ccsm to increase the number of workspaces? lol.
[06:04] <coz_> audhi,   open ccsm ... general options.. desktop size tab,,, Horizontal vitual size
[06:04] <PresuntoRJ> infid: did you put your mouse ALL THE WAY to the left/upper corner ?
[06:04] <infid> PresuntoRJ: yes
[06:05] <PresuntoRJ> infid: hum... but you do see the Ubuntu icon there, right?
[06:05] <infid> i even switched to fullscreen
[06:05] <infid> nope, no icon
[06:06] <PresuntoRJ> infid: oho
[06:06] <infid> i can get to things by typing alt+f2
[06:06] <infid> but there's just no menu bar at all
[06:06] <PresuntoRJ> infid: I believe something is not running, or not installed
[06:06] <ledah_> after reafing the makefile man i feel more confused
[06:06] <infid> i ran sudo shutdown -r now, to reboot
[06:06] <PresuntoRJ> infid: when you loged on, did you change from ubuntu to Ubuntu-classic ?
[06:06] <audhi> thanks coz i increased.
[06:06] <coz_> infid,  on the launcher panel...do you see one of th e bottom icons  with a +  sign in a circle??
[06:06] <infid> no
[06:06] <coz_> yes?
[06:06] <infid> i just logged in
[06:06] <coz_> infid,  mmm
[06:07] <PresuntoRJ> infid: does it look like the gnome it used to have or are you at Unity, the new Ubuntu look ?
[06:07] <coz_> infid,  take a screnenshot of your desktop and upload the picpaste.com
[06:07] <infid> PresuntoRJ: plus sign and a circle? no
[06:07] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: even better
[06:07] <infid> one sec
[06:07] <coz_> take that screenshot  infid  8:)
[06:08] <infid> am
[06:10] <audhi> coz when full version of 11.04 will be released?
[06:10] <coz_> audhi,  end of this month
[06:10] <coz_> audhi,    ubuntu numbers their versions  by year + month   ie... 11 = 2011  04  = April
[06:11] <coz_> audhi,  and most alsways at the end of th e month
[06:12] <audhi> i am having beta can i upgrade?
[06:12] <coz_> audhi,  sure
[06:12] <coz_> audhi,   keep doing   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:12] <coz_> audhi,  i hear the current sts
[06:12] <coz_> damn
[06:12] <coz_> audhi,  I hear the current status is a bit sketchy  so you may not want to update yet
[06:12] <infid> http://picpaste.com/pics/ubuntu-11-CzWWgZdu.1302585126.jpg
[06:13] <infid> there you go
[06:13] <rww> !final
[06:13] <coz_> o0
[06:13] <audhi> can i try it now?coz
[06:13] <coz_> audhi,  you can sure ,, I do it daily
[06:13] <coz_> infid,   o0  that is odd loooking
[06:14] <audhi> o thanks coz!
[06:14] <coz_> infid,  that is NOT Unity
[06:14] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: because its beta, I do even more than once a day...
[06:14] <rww> You can tell it's not Unity because it's running in VirtualBox :3
[06:14] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: and also, a lot of sudo apt-get -f install     followed by a bunch of dpkg --configure -a   just in case
[06:14] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: ;)
[06:14] <coz_> infid,   log  off  and after typing in your password  go to the sessions pull down,,, choose Ubuntu desktop
[06:14] <infid> well what should i do
[06:15] <infid> ok
[06:15] <coz_> infid,  which video card is on that system?
[06:15] <rww> infid: not use VirtualBox, if you want Unity
[06:15] <coz_> oh!!!!!
[06:15] <infid> what's unity
[06:15] <coz_> I didnt even see that  virtual box title bar there  duh
[06:15] <infid> i just want to use ubuntu 11.04 with gnome
[06:16] <Jerub> infid: you want 'ubuntu classic' then.
[06:16] <coz_> infid,  in that run dialog type   gnome-panel
[06:16] <coz_> infid,  see if the panel shows up
[06:16] <Jerub> 'ubuntu' is unity, 'ubuntu classic' is gnome.
[06:17] <Jerub> or apparently, sometimes gnome is in the name, but that's not my experieince.
[06:17] <coz_> Jerub,  but not in virtual box
[06:17] <coz_> Jerub,  I believe that was changed from  classic gnome to just calssic
[06:18] <coz_> and from a few articles I read,, classic may not be available on release
[06:18] <infid> will ubuntu 11 use gnome 3?
[06:19] <PresuntoRJ> infid: I believe gnome 3 brakes Unity
[06:19] <coz_> infid,  no but it should be in the repositories
[06:19] <PresuntoRJ> infid: so I think not
[06:19] <audhi> coz what is gnome?
[06:19] <coz_> infid,  gnome3  will use mutter
[06:19] <coz_> audhi,  gnome is the Desktop Environment  =  DE   the look and feel of the system
[06:20] <Jerub> coz_: that would be unfortunate, you mean not appearing in the default 'ubuntu' release and it's still there for those who upgrade or install it manually, right?
[06:20] <coz_> audhi,   Dnome  KDE  lxde Xfce are all desktop environments
[06:20] <rww> I don't think gnome3 is going to be in natty's repos.
[06:20] <audhi> will it be in my system?
[06:20] <rww> There's a PPA. It breaks stuff.
[06:20] <coz_> Jerub,  I believe so but I am not positive,, I dont believe everything I read online 8)
[06:20] <infid> running gnome-panel did nothing
[06:20] <coz_> audhi,  gnome is part of 11.04  yes
[06:21] <coz_> audhi,  it will default to  Unity  not classic gnome unless your video card is an nvidia chip
[06:21] <audhi> ok coz
[06:21] <coz_> infid,  then I am not sure,, there are reports online about 11.04 in VM
[06:21] <infid> i logged out and logged back in but i dont see any 'session pulldown's
[06:21] <coz_> infid,  I havent read them though
[06:21] <coz_> infid,  at the bottom of the screen
[06:22] <coz_> infid,  on the "panel" under the log in dialog
[06:22] <infid> i have no gnome panels at all, not at the top nor bottom
[06:22] <coz_> infid,  when you log out there is no panel at the bottom?
[06:22] <infid> this type of stuff is the only problem i eve rhave with ubuntu
[06:22] <infid> no
[06:22] <coz_> infid,  thats a bit strange
[06:23] <infid> in lucid when i reboot i often dont have any title bars on my windows, until i reboot again once or twice
[06:23] <infid> ubuntu just doesnt like to show title bars and menu bars i guess :P
[06:23] <coz_> infid,  which video card?
[06:23] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: can I enable the unity laucher on the secondary monitor?
[06:23] <infid> with lucid that's on my machine that has an nvidia gefore 9500
[06:23] <infid> on this laptop i have an ati
[06:23] <coz_> PresuntoRJ, i dont think so ,, it is not moveable
[06:23] <audhi> coz i installed ubuntu restricted extras where will it be?
[06:24] <coz_> audhi,  the ubuntu extras?  they are packages that have items to be run individually,, they are codecs and flash ,, things like that
[06:24] <coz_> audhi,  they will just work
[06:25] <coz_> audhi,  rather they DONT have packages that run invididually by you
[06:25] <coz_> audhi,  they are run like flash in firefox.. and codecs when playing music or moves
[06:26] <audhi> ok!coz give any software recommendations.
[06:26] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: I think I will file a bug on that
[06:26] <coz_> audhi,   also if you plan on playing DVD's   run this command    *
[06:26] <coz_>  sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[06:27] <coz_> audhi,  well software is really personal  depending on what you do,, however,, if on a desktop with a mouse,, I would use easystroke   ,, a system gesture recognition application
[06:27] <coz_> audhi,  is this 64 or 32 bit?
[06:28] <audhi> 32bit
[06:28] <coz_> audhi,  also go here   http://packages.medibuntu.org/natty/index.html   at the bottom of the page  choose the w32codecs  package and install it
[06:29] <ledah_> anyone knows how i can play mkv files on lvc on natty?
[06:29] <Jerub> ledah_: vlc probably?
[06:29] <ledah_> i've tried but they don't run
[06:30] <audhi> its downloading coz.
[06:30] <coz_> ledah_,  do you have all of the codecs installed?
[06:31] <ledah_> i've installed ffmpeg
[06:31] <audhi> is ubuntu free from viruses coz?
[06:31] <PresuntoRJ> ledah_: working for me
[06:31] <coz_> ledah_,  sudo apt-get install  ubuntu-restrected-extras  also go here  http://packages.medibuntu.org/natty/index.html  .. scroll to the bottom of the page and choose the correct  w32codecs for your system
[06:32] <coz_> audhi,  yes for the most part.. linux viruses are generally directed towards   Servers,,, however if you feel more confortable with an anit virus application  you want to install   clamaf  and clam-tk
[06:32] <coz_> clam-tk is the front end GUI
[06:33] <PresuntoRJ> ledah_: I have at least a mkv running just fine on Movie Player (totem), mplayer and VLC
[06:33] <coz_> audhi,  sorry that is  clamav  and clam-tk
[06:33] <audhi> OK!
[06:33] <PresuntoRJ> ledah_: of course, I have the codecs installed like coz_ just said
[06:34] <coz_> audhi,  I would suggest using synaptic package manager for that   and search for clamav  and clam tk should also be in the list
[06:34] <coz_> audhi,  that should show up as Virus scanner in the menus
[06:34] <coz_> under accessories in normal gnome menus anyway
[06:35] <PresuntoRJ> is there no ubottu in #ubuntu+1 ?
[06:36] <PresuntoRJ> !ubottu
[06:36] <PresuntoRJ> peculiar... its not showing in the list of users :-/
[06:37] <rww> does for me.
[06:37] <audhi> thanks cozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
[06:37] <coz_> audhi,  working now?
[06:38] <audhi> yes coz!
[06:38] <coz_> very cool
[06:38] <PresuntoRJ> rww: it could be a new empathy bug... not sure yet
[06:39] <PresuntoRJ> rww: does your also freezes if you type, say, like 120 characters ?
[06:39] <PresuntoRJ> rww: 2.34.0-0ubuntu3
[06:39] <rww> PresuntoRJ: I don't use empathy
[06:40] <PresuntoRJ> rww: good thinking
[06:40]  * rww doesn't have an IM account and uses a dedicated IRC client
[06:40] <PresuntoRJ> rww: I do cause I am testing it on Natty... and cause its integrated with the GUI
[06:40] <rww> yeah, 'social by default' is basically useless to me :\
[06:40] <PresuntoRJ> does anyone else use Empathy ?
[06:41] <audhi> coz how to improve the quality of video?
[06:41] <PresuntoRJ> rww: I like the status icon on the panel, with my name, thats it
[06:41] <audhi> coz are you here?
[06:42] <PresuntoRJ> audhi: try typing a TAB after his name to complete the coz_ with the _
[06:42] <PresuntoRJ> audhi: it calls his attention
[06:43] <coz_> audhi,  yeah I am here
[06:43] <audhi> thanks presuntorj!
[06:44] <audhi> coz how to improve quality of video?
[06:44] <coz_> audhi,  when talking to someone specifically,, tyep the first 2 or 3 letters of t heir name   ,, hit tab button to complete it then type the message,, as PresuntoRJ  mentione it will alert that person on their client
[06:44] <PresuntoRJ> rww: :-p
[06:44] <coz_> audhi,  what is the quality now?
[06:45]  * Debolaz doesn't use empathy, because it violates his privacy policy. :)
[06:45] <audhi> its poor coz!
[06:47] <Debolaz> If it weren't for 2 specific issues, empathy would be a really great IM client though.
[06:48] <coz_> audhi,  not sure then guy,, that is mainly dependent on the video card
[06:49] <audhi> ok coz!
[06:50] <coz_> audhi,  not sure of a solution... i would have to actually see it and know what  hardware you have
[06:50] <coz_> audhi,  open a terminal     lspci | grep -i vga       <<copy and paste that into the terminal window and then paste the readout here
[06:53] <audhi> coz are you working in linux?
[06:54] <coz_> audhi,  not sure what you mean
[06:55] <audhi> coz whats your age?are you working?how do you know these codes?
[06:55] <coz_> oh! :)
[06:55] <audhi> whats oh
[06:55] <coz_> audhi,  well my age I always say   i remember when there was a vote on if we s hould create "dirt"  and I voted NO
[06:55] <coz_> audhi,   I do computer installations  ,, repairs,, etc
[06:56] <audhi> thanks for your information.
[06:58] <audhi> ok bye cozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
[06:59] <coz_> mm
[06:59] <ledah_> i couldn't make the mkv works neither could install webcamstudio...
[06:59] <coz_> ledah_,  ooo
[07:00] <ledah_> i'm downloading another mkv
[07:00] <coz_> ledah_,   they should work fine, although ,, remember this is still not a released version of ubuntu
[07:00] <ledah_> maybe could be the file
[07:00] <coz_> ledah_,  indeed it could be the file itself
[07:01] <ledah_> oh no. is the file, ugghhh
[07:02] <coz_> ledah_,  oh !!  well at least that was solved 8)
[07:03] <ledah_> yes it take care of one problem
[07:03] <ledah_> but i can't install the webcamstudio
[07:03] <coz_> ledah_,  I dont know if there is a natty ppa for wecbamstudio  let me check
[07:05] <coz_> ledah_,    http://www.ws4gl.org/download/installing-on-ubuntu   the repos are not working for webcamstudion but they suggest installing via the deb package on that link
[07:06] <coz_> ledah_,     http://code.google.com/p/webcamstudio/downloads/detail?name=webcamstudio_0.57alpha2_all.deb&can=2&q=
[07:07] <ledah_> i've arleady tried that one
[07:07] <ledah_> http://pastebin.com/NnRWyGai
[07:07] <PresuntoRJ> ledah_: I usually play with cheese... what does webcamstudio do extra, if I may ask?
[07:08] <ledah_> it let you put your desktop in a virtual cam
[07:08] <coz_> ledah_,  how did you try to install t his?
[07:08] <ledah_> put images
[07:08] <ledah_> i tried from source code
[07:08] <coz_> ledah_,  download that deb package
[07:08] <ledah_> i've compiled it succesfully
[07:08] <PresuntoRJ> ledah_: sorry... dont get it... I have to read about it ;)
[07:08] <coz_> ledah_,  oh?  if it compiled successfully , did you also install it?
[07:09] <ledah_> that's the problem
[07:09] <ledah_> i can't install the camera dev
[07:09] <coz_> ledah_,   I see
[07:09] <ledah_> so there's no signal out
[07:09] <coz_> ledah_,  not sure then ,,, i still suggest the deb package  and see if it installs properly
[07:10] <coz_> ledah_,  you will most likely have to do   sudo apt-get install -f  after running that deb package to install required dependencies
[07:13] <ledah_> The package is of bad quality
[07:13] <ledah_> The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath.
[07:14] <torchie> argh
[07:14] <torchie> proprietary nvidia drivers break the windowing system, while the free drivers break the operating system
[07:15] <elFidel> nice choice ;)
[07:15] <torchie> ubuntu classic no effects forever :/
[07:17] <coz_> torchie,  I think that is temporary
[07:17] <torchie> what is :o
[07:18] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: what is the program that actually draws the Unity panel (top)? I need it to redraw, but I don know what to kill
[07:18] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  the launcher panel or the gnome panel?
[07:18] <torchie> windows turning completely white at random on restricted or everything but the cursor freezing completely on noveau?
[07:18] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: not gnome-panel, cause its not even running
[07:19] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: I will check the other
[07:19] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  then I am not sure ,, you could try  unity --replace &
[07:20] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: it did redraw the panel, but in the process, crashed compiz, and destroied every window I had opened... I have to logout then...
[07:20] <PresuntoRJ> coz_: be right back
[07:21] <coz_> PresuntoRJ,  I have to break here myself
[07:34] <Debolaz> Hmm, I notice that if I uninstall Empathy, the "Set up chat" menu item does not seem to go away.
[07:35] <bullgard4> Where is the »kerneloops« service described? '~$ rgrep 'kerneloops' /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.38/Documentation/ 2>dev/null' does not produce any output.
[07:36] <rww> Debolaz: log out and back in
[07:36] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: is it the same server as before?
[07:37] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: do you have the linux-source package installed ?
[07:37] <bullgard4> PresuntoRJ: I do not understand your question. What server are you speaking about?
[07:38] <Debolaz> rww: Ah, that worked. Thank you.
[07:39] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: never mind the first question... ;) sorry... I am installing the package my self to check
[07:40] <bullgard4> PresuntoRJ: I have installed linux-source 2.6.38.8.22.
[07:40] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: I almost there... 5 minutes do go
[07:43]  * Debolaz also confirmed that the FDE+btrfs bug doens't happen with any of those two individually.
[07:47] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: I got a few hits... usually comments from debian-master
[07:47] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.38/debian/changelog:  * amd64_edac: Do not falsely trigger kerneloops
[07:47] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: but nothing in Documentation
[07:48] <bullgard4> PresuntoRJ: What do you mean by "debian-master"?
[07:49] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.38/debian.master/changelog:  * amd64_edac: Do not falsely trigger kerneloops
[07:49] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: the folder
[07:50] <PresuntoRJ> bullgard4: with the logs from the upstream in debian
[07:52] <susundberg> hi! Does anyone else suffer problems with skype ? my problem is that first call that i make suffers from some sound problems -- both playback and recording is bad (recording really wrong)
[07:52] <susundberg> but for some reason, the second call is usually fine
[07:53] <PresuntoRJ> susundberg: it works for me (since the first call)
[07:53] <susundberg> weird .. and you are using this new sound system
[07:53] <susundberg> what whas it called..
[07:54] <susundberg> pulseaudio -- that is default on natty i guess ?
[08:01] <bullgard4> PresuntoRJ: Ah, I see. Thank you very much for your information.
[08:16] <Debolaz> Ah, god bless ccsm.
[08:25] <elFidel> hi - is there a way to stop the fullscreen-mess with unity 2d in 11.04? almost each apps seems to think it should be fullscreen ...which results in ugly overlapping of the launcher etc
[08:26] <elFidel> sidenote: my launcher is defined to not hide itself
[08:26] <Debolaz> elFidel: Ironically, I can't get applications to always fullscreen by default in normal Unity.
[08:26] <elFidel> lol
[08:27] <elFidel> that entire unity seems to be far away from user-ready to me
[08:27] <elFidel> what do i need fullscreen apps on a 30"
[08:27] <Debolaz> Well, it works reasonably well for me, I can't really call the issue I just mentioned a bug.
[08:27] <elFidel> anyway ...any idea how to handle that?
[08:28] <elFidel> is there some kind of logic involved?
[08:28] <elFidel> i.e.: if res < x - go fulllscreen or similar?
[08:28]  * Debolaz has never tried unity-2d
[08:28] <Debolaz> So I wouldn't know. :)
[08:28] <elFidel> working in a vm right now - where unity-2d makes sense over unity-default
[08:28] <arand> Debolaz: Hey =) you got the email?
[08:29] <Debolaz> arand: Yes I did. :)
[08:29] <arand> Did you try adding the boot option?
[08:29] <Debolaz> arand: I also tried installing both with btrfs and with fde individually, they both work just fine alone.
[08:30] <Debolaz> No, I wont be able to try that until the working part of the week is over.
[08:31] <arand> Ah, fair enough, well, it seems to be possible with a bit of manual tweaking, and that's not likeley to change at least fo natty.
[08:35] <Debolaz> arand: What particular change was it that made it not work in 11.04 btw?
[09:04] <arand> Debolaz: Basically the way subvolumes are setup, natty requires mounting a subvolume rather than the default (top-level) of the btrfs, grub was incabable of detecting crypt/btrfs in 10.10 as well I assume, however since it did not need to add a subvolume boot option based on the detection anyways it didn't matter.
[09:06] <Debolaz> Aight. Keep in mind that if btrfs becomes the main filesystem of ubuntu one day, support for this has to be added. :)
[09:07] <phaidros> hi, since some days suspend to ram is broken on natty (thinkpad x60s) for me, how could I debug this usefully?
[09:10] <bullgard4> phaidros: Analyze /var/log/pm-suspend.log.1
[09:10] <arand> Debolaz: Yup, though I guess people who wants encryption could be referred back to ext4 though.. AS cjwatson points out, it sems to be a metter of the encryption support in grub2, which sounds as though it's some ways off..
[09:10] <susundberg> phaidros: also laptop-mode-tools is known to break it
[09:10] <susundberg> if you have installed thatone (i did to get my hd to spin down)
[09:11] <susundberg> running 'pm-suspend' on konsole might also be helpfull ..
[09:25] <maxb> Hi, for some time on natty I have various icons missing in the notification area (I'm using Classic Desktop)
[09:26] <maxb> They display what I think is the gdk-pixbuf failed-to-load placeholder (black field, red "no" symbol)
[09:26] <bullgard4> Where can I find information about the Natty process "aio"?
[09:26] <maxb> the specific icons are keyboard layout, network-manager and battery applets
[09:27] <bullgard4> maxb: A question ends in a question-mark.
[09:29] <maxb> bullgard4: Well, if you want to be picky: Does anyone have any information or suggestions about this?
[09:29] <maxb> Though that's fairly implicit, I think.
[09:46] <delac> maxb: have you tried to use any other icon set?
[09:47] <Debolaz> Is there a builtin utility for whitelisting applications for using the systray?
[09:47] <Debolaz> Specific app in question: Dropbox
[09:50] <delac> Debolaz: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-the-system-tray
[09:50] <delac> Debolaz: but do note the last comment on that thread
[09:51] <ohsix> bullgard4: processes with brackets around them are kernel threads
[09:52] <maxb> delac: I'm not aware of having customized icons in any way
[09:53] <maxb> You make a good point though, perhaps I should try a fresh user account
[09:54] <Debolaz> delac: I found out I could disable the whitelist by setting it to "all". :)
[09:54] <delac> maxb: no, I mean you should try some of the alternatives from Appearances menus, so that you see if the problem is with the icon set missing some icons
[09:55] <delac> Debolaz: yes, that is one way, but I think there was a warning somewhere not to do that
[09:56] <bullgard4> ohsix: Yes. Thank you.
[09:58] <Debolaz> delac: I don't think there's a technical reason to not do it, as far as I've read. It's seems to be to encourage software devs to fix horribly designed systray icon behavior.
[09:59] <delac> Debolaz: I would think so too
[09:59] <maxb> delac: OK. But it's a pretty stupid bug if the default icon set is missing icons displayed in the default desktop
[10:00] <delac> maxb: It might be due to some configuration error during the installation or update. better check
[10:01] <delac> maxb: if there is no icons missing, then it's bug somewhere else
[10:01] <maxb> Now done - I got a couple of different versions of different themes "missing icon placeholder"
[10:01] <maxb> no proper icons, though
[10:01] <zniavre> Debolaz,  if you enabled the 'all' systray icons , did you experience indicator-stuff slow behavior ?
[10:02] <Debolaz> zniavre: What do you mean?
[10:02] <delac> maxb: then the bug is somewhere else. probably in the widgets themselve.
[10:02] <zniavre> i tried to enable all icon in notification aera but now all indicator-applet is quite slow or unresponsive
[10:03] <delac> maxb: did you try to user other account?
[10:03] <delac> maxb: use other account*
[10:05] <maxb> yes, I tried in a freshly created user account
[10:06] <maxb> I am just a little confused what package might be at fault that it crosses three different applets at least
[10:07] <maxb> It could be human-icon-theme, at a random guess, I suppose.
[10:09] <delac> maxb: Humanity is the default icon set on ubuntu
[10:09] <delac> maxb: Human is bit older one
[10:09] <gregoryfenton> hi, I have a bug in natty beta. if I create a SDL|openGL program and run it with effects disabled (classic mode with no effects) the SDL|openGL window is overlaid on top of all others.
[10:12] <delac> maxb: there seems to be several "missing icons" bugs for natty
[10:27] <gregoryfenton> If nobody can help could someone talk me through filing a bug with only a minimal amount of information such as this to ensure I don't get sidelined for "need more info"?
[11:08] <ploum> hello
[11:08] <ploum> do you also have docky crashing in natty?
[11:09] <BUGabundo> never use it
[11:09] <BUGabundo> gnome-do ftw
[11:23] <cmyrland> Hi. I've left my computer running for a few days without using it. When I came back to it I wondered why there was so much disk activity, so I popped up the sys.mon. and it showed that I was using 1,6 gb ram, and unity-window-decorator used 213 mb ram, bamfdaemon (what does it do?) uses 134 mb ram and notify-osd used 109 mb ram. That's almost 500 MBs of ram to applictions that should be minimal and light weight. Please say this will get fixe
[11:23] <cmyrland> d?
[11:25] <eagles0513875_> hey guys
[11:25] <cmyrland> !hi | eagles0513875_
[11:25] <eagles0513875_> has anyone else done the upgrade from maverick to natty on kubuntu?
[11:25] <eagles0513875_> lol
[11:25] <eagles0513875_> cmyrland: dont need to tell me lol i been around these channels way to long lol
[11:25] <cmyrland> :)
[11:26] <cmyrland> Ubottu doesn't want to day it anyway, it seems :p
[11:26] <eagles0513875_> i noticed some strange things after my upgrade from maverick to natty
[11:26] <cmyrland> say*
[11:26] <BUGabundo> bbl
[11:26] <eagles0513875_> !hi
[11:26] <cmyrland> ubottu, I never have ^^
[11:26] <eagles0513875_> hey BUGabundo
[11:26] <eagles0513875_> hahah cmyrland
[11:27] <cmyrland> :]
[11:27]  * eagles0513875_ needs to find recruits for my distro idea
[11:28] <cmyrland> but holy crap, if this bizarre mem usage in unity affects more people than me then Ubuntu has a big problem on their hands..
[11:28] <eagles0513875_> well thats the thing unity doesnt seem to like netbooks
[11:29] <cmyrland> eagles, unity-window-decorator, bamfdaemon and notify-osd uses almost 500 mb of ram on my system after some days' uptime, leaving the total memuse at 1,6 gb. This is Vista-ish
[11:29] <eagles0513875_> O_O
[11:30] <eagles0513875_> lol thats what i dont like tbh about ubuntu
[11:30] <eagles0513875_> the rushed development and inclusion of things that arent ready yet
[11:30] <yofel_> erm, that's what they always do? ^^
[11:31] <eagles0513875_> hah yofel i have noticed
[11:31] <cmyrland> yeah. They should drop the six-months "stable" cycle and focus on annual or biannual stable releases with a rolling dev. version between them
[11:31] <eagles0513875_> the plasma netbook desktop is a mess
[11:31] <yofel> there was a bug with cairo and the nvidia drivers leading to insane mem usage, but I thought that was fixed...
[11:31] <eagles0513875_> gonna start rolling my own distro based on debian unstable
[11:32] <cmyrland> yofel, that reminds me I haven't updated since last boot, so maybe that'll solve it
[11:32] <eagles0513875_> but tweak it for gamers and game developers and wanna be game devs
[11:32] <cmyrland> eagles0513875_, do we need any more debian based distros? :p
[11:32] <eagles0513875_> lol
[11:32] <eagles0513875_> this is targeting a niche though
[11:32] <cmyrland> like ubuntu-studio?
[11:32] <cmyrland> for games?
[11:32] <cmyrland> hm
[11:32] <eagles0513875_> ya
[11:32] <cmyrland> nice idea though
[11:32] <eagles0513875_> ya :)
[11:33] <eagles0513875_> thing is all the games coming out on mac wont need much work to be made for linux too
[11:33] <eagles0513875_> since mac uses lots of open source techs
[11:33] <eagles0513875_> like open gl open al etc
[11:33] <yofel> eagles0513875_: as for your original question, kubuntu runs ok here, beside the usual nepomuk mess
[11:33] <cmyrland> mhm, I know. Lets hope Steam opens the floodgates soon :>
[11:33] <eagles0513875_> wowie java on natty is eating 22% of my ram
[11:33] <eagles0513875_> ahh
[11:33] <eagles0513875_> reminds me i need to disable nepomuk
[11:34] <eagles0513875_> just to get  kde working cuz it was complaining about unity not being able to run on netbooks
[11:34] <eagles0513875_> had to delete my .kde folder :(
[11:34] <yofel> o.O
[11:34] <eagles0513875_> ya
[11:34] <eagles0513875_> it wouldnt work for me unless i did that
[11:35] <eagles0513875_> nepo muck <-- which is really a muck lol is off now
[11:35] <eagles0513875_> but java still eating 22% of my ram
[11:36] <eagles0513875_> yofel: your in ubuntu-packaging right
[11:36] <yofel> mhm
[11:36] <eagles0513875_> got a question i want your opinion on ill hop in there
[11:38] <eagles0513875_> i think the open jdk and iced tea r broken for java :-/ or memory leaking badly
[11:51] <IDWMaster> I get a very blurry screen on my Samsung netbook (with Intel graphics chip) when resuming from hibernate
[11:51] <eagles0513875_> blarg
[11:52] <IDWMaster> Has anyone else had this problem?
[11:52] <eagles0513875_> kdevelop4 isnt starting
[11:52] <eagles0513875_> neither is codelite :(
[11:52] <eagles0513875_> i have intel graphics chip and im on an asus 333 pc
[11:53] <IDWMaster> Have you used Hibernate?
[11:53] <eagles0513875_> no i have not
[11:53] <eagles0513875_> i use sleep
[11:53] <eagles0513875_> and it works just fine
[11:53] <eagles0513875_> IDWMaster: you on a clean install of natty
[11:53] <IDWMaster> No, I did an upgrade install
[11:53] <IDWMaster> From 10.10
[11:53] <IDWMaster> Sleep works fine, but not hibernate
[11:54] <IDWMaster> It seems to have some problem re-initializing the graphics chip after resuming.
[11:54] <eagles0513875_> i have always seen hibernate as buggy
[11:54] <eagles0513875_> lots of things i had installed got removed at the end of upgrade and some kde apps arent working
[11:55] <IDWMaster> Which package is Hibernate a part of? I'd like to file a bug, but I don't know which package it applies to.
[11:55] <eagles0513875_> dunno
[11:55] <eagles0513875_> IDWMaster: are you on kde or gnome
[11:55] <IDWMaster> I installed the X11 Development libraries
[11:55] <IDWMaster> That fixed a lot of problems
[11:56] <IDWMaster> I'm on Unity
[11:56] <eagles0513875_> which is gnome
[11:56] <eagles0513875_> then i would possibly file that against unity
[11:56] <IDWMaster> OK. Thanks.
[11:57] <eagles0513875_> no problemo
[11:57] <psald> is there a known issue with booting the natty beta live cd? It gets stuck halfway here, complaining a few directories do not exist etc. Then it falls back to some console.
[11:58] <IDWMaster> When the boot hangs, try removing and re-inserting the disc. That worked for me (just have to have good timing)
[11:59] <psald> well ok... sounds weird but sure why not :p
[12:00] <stimpie> I cant seem to get to a virtual console (ctrl_alt_f1-6) on natty, anyone knows how to troubleshoot?
[12:26] <psypher246> hi all, anyone here who can assist with getting natty64 with unity working in virtualbox
[12:28] <stimpie> I'am still looking into my missing virtual consoles,  I now discoverd there are no getty process running
[12:32] <psald> psypher246: I managed to get that done a few days ago using some pretty clear instructions, let me find them for you
[12:33] <duanedesign> in the launcher I have OpenOffice.org Database with three arrows next to it. I am unable to quit them. Anyone have or seen a similar behaviour?
[12:34] <psald> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/how-to-test-ubuntu-1104-with-unity-in.html although it's a dated post, it did the trick for me, psypher246
[12:40] <psypher246> psald: on 64? i have already done that stuff on 32 bit, it didn't work anyway. u have to use the oss virtualbox tool and not the official oracle ones
[12:40] <ilea> is there someone here from the team that develops ubuntu 11.04?
[12:41] <iceroot> ilea: just ask your question
[12:41] <psypher246> i got 32 bit working 100% with the virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 package
[12:41] <psypher246> this does not work the same in 64bit
[12:42] <psypher246> psald: hmmmm, afrter waiting about 30 mins suddenly natty did boot
[12:42] <psypher246> so it's just damn slow
[12:42] <ilea> ubuntu 11.04 needs more work on the internet part because i instaled it once and tryed to configure the dsl and after i put in id and pasword it wouldn't conect at all
[12:42] <ilea> on 10.04 and kiwi works fine
[12:43] <ilea> on 11.04 the internet dosnt work with dsl
[12:43] <th^^> what kind of dsl needs login? O_o
[12:43] <th^^> or configuring.. just plug the eth cable! :P
[12:43] <ilea> dsl
[12:43] <ilea> username
[12:43] <ilea> service and mine is RDS
[12:44] <ilea> pasword
[12:46] <ilea> i wanted to talk to someone from the team that desins the new ubuntu
[12:46] <psald> psypher246: sorry was trying to install myself in the meantime, turns out I have network hardware issues there. Anyway, yeah I dunno. I am not 100% positive I tried the 64 bit version and I can't check right here, but indeed I got things working using that method. Anyway good luck :)
[12:48] <zniavre> so the white background for hover/selected items in dash is a feature ?
[12:50] <bullgard4> What is the function of the process xfs_mru_cache?
[13:14] <Ian_Corne> is there any way to lock the launcher, so it doesn't auto hide?
[13:16] <zniavre> via ccsm no ?
[13:17] <zniavre> yes there is a "never" hide launcher option
[13:20] <Ian_Corne> where should i be looking in the ccsm?
[13:20] <Ian_Corne> found it :)
[13:22] <Ian_Corne> it's in the ubunty unity plugin
[13:24] <zniavre> Ian_Corne,  yes sorry my baby is in need of hugs i could not type
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> It's ok :) just said it so others reading this if they have the same question know too :)
[13:25] <Ian_Corne> nothing more annoying then seeing a question, getting an "ok fixed" and no explenation :p
[13:25] <zniavre> that s true
[13:33] <ki9a> switching to gnome-3 broke unity & auto login; how do I get ubuntu to auto-login to gnome3 instead?
[13:38] <ki9a> got it.
[13:39] <ki9a> where do I find gnome-shell-extensions?
[13:40] <arand> I think they are packaged in the PPA, the git repo works I guess..
[13:43] <jiohdi> ok, this is bizzarre, lxde in 11.4 has a lower memory load than iceWM
[13:47] <ki9a> arand: under another name then?
[13:47] <ki9a> i don't see them in the gnome3 package
[13:48] <jiohdi> heard a lot of bad about gnome3, whats the good
[13:48] <ki9a> it works better for me than unity
[13:49] <arand> ki9a: Ah, true, might not be in the PPA then, need to get it from upstream then I assume.
[13:49] <jiohdi> I do not like unity at all
[13:50] <elFidel> ki9a: you are using gnome3 on which ubuntu version? via gnome3 ppa?
[13:50] <ki9a> 11.04; and yes
[13:50] <elFidel> i get insane if i do see unity a single day longer
[13:51] <ki9a> it broke at first; the themes weren't installed
[13:51] <ki9a> and it really didn't like that
[13:51] <elFidel> ki9a: ok thanks. how long have you been using it?
[13:51] <ki9a> 10 minutes
[13:51] <elFidel> hrhr
[13:51] <elFidel> lets wreck my test-vm then
[13:51] <jiohdi> I tried unity months ago, did not like it then... tried it again yesterday, no better
[13:52] <elFidel> i expect a lot of trouble if unity is really default in 11.04 - but lets surprise
[13:52] <ki9a> note that gnome3 breaks unity
[13:53] <ki9a> at least it did here
[13:53] <jiohdi> unity is for touch screens primarily... why they are putting it on desktops is a mystery
[13:53] <elFidel> i see unity as for small devices primarily
[13:53] <elFidel> and yeah -maybe touch devices
[13:54] <ki9a> the one thing I haven't figured out yet is how to keep the bottom bar on the screen
[13:54] <ki9a> the one that holds the icons
[13:54] <jiohdi> when they first came out with it, they said it was with touch screens in  mind
[13:54] <elFidel> ki9a: thanks - i just realized that using a vm for gnome 3 will most likely cause issues as well - cause of the missing 3d support ;)
[13:54] <ki9a> :)
[13:54] <arand> Yea, always unfortunate that most of these things are untestable using vms
[13:54] <ki9a> i figured I really didn't like unity
[13:54] <elFidel> jiohdi: i guess small&touch goes into the same direction ;)
[13:55] <jiohdi> :)
[13:55] <ki9a> why not try gnome3.
[13:55] <elFidel> ki9a: i will - but not in a vm missing 3d support
[13:55] <elFidel> as gnome 3 needs 3d support - otherwise it falls back to some strange2/3 mode
[13:55] <arand> Well, gnome3 *is* unstable, and will likely not have great support on natty throughout...
[13:56] <arand> *unstable on _ubuntu_
[13:56] <elFidel> unity doenst feel stable either for me
[13:56] <elFidel> even unity-2d isnt
[13:56] <elFidel> but that might be just me
[13:56] <arand> Oh, unity-2d isn't even meant to be released yet
[13:57] <arand> It works horribly in kvm, but then again, they're hoping it might be the default fallback in oo, but we'll se
[13:57] <elFidel> ;)
[13:58] <elFidel> unity as default is fail to me anyways - but the hipsers gonna like it
[13:58] <arand> Which is what a flashy DE is all about isn't it?
[13:59] <elFidel> the question is: who is asking for flashy ;)
[13:59] <jiohdi> fortunately all the other desktops are still available
[13:59] <elFidel> yep
[14:00] <elFidel> would be interessting (but impossible) to measure how many users dislike unity and might even jump to some other ditri cause of the major changes canonical has on its plan to 12.10? without classic iirc
[14:00] <elFidel> or was it 12.04?
[14:01] <arand> Isn't 11.10 going without classic?
[14:01] <jiohdi> 12.10 will likely be a dummy terminal for a cloud
[14:02] <elFidel> arand: could be - not sure when the break is annoced in detail
[14:03] <khamer> When I hit tab to trigger bash completion in terminals after upgrading to 11.04, I'm getting extra spaces appended to the completions; that is, "/et<Tab>" => "/etc " instead of "/etc/"; any thoughts?
[14:04] <elFidel> khamer: testet here - works as expected
[14:04] <elFidel> *tested*
[14:04] <khamer> elFidel, what command did you try with?
[14:04] <elFidel> cd /et+TAB
[14:04] <khamer> elFidel, now try ls
[14:04] <elFidel> results in: cd /etc/
[14:04] <elFidel> same - works as expected
[14:05] <elFidel> how about the others?
[14:06] <khamer> cd gives me '/etc/', ls gives me '/etc ', grep gives me '/etc ' (I have aliases for both ls and grep though, but I don't think that related to the completion), ack-grep gives me '/etc/ '
[14:06] <khamer> find gives me '/etc '
[14:06] <elFidel> khamer: try disabling the aliases - resource and see if it still happens
[14:06] <elFidel> just out of curiosity
[14:06] <khamer> elFidel, cp/mv/rm all give me '/etc '
[14:06] <elFidel> k ;)
[14:07] <elFidel> do you have > 1 user-acc on that box?
[14:07] <elFidel> tested with > 1 account?
[14:07] <khamer> elFidel, removed all aliases, no change
[14:08] <khamer> elFidel, I can test as root or add another user
[14:08] <elFidel> not sure if it will help - but it should at least show if its related with your current account or not ;)
[14:08] <khamer> elFidel, it looks like for root its working properly
[14:09] <bullgard4> What is the function of the process xfs_mru_cache?
[14:12] <elFidel> khamer: nice
[14:12] <elFidel> i would comntinue adding another testaccount
[14:12] <ilea> someone from ubuntu or from the team that works at the new release? answer me please
[14:13] <Pici> ilea: Best to just ask your question.
[14:13] <elFidel> each single user inhere is a clone of Mark S and we are all waiting for your question. Fire it ;) <joke>
[14:14] <ilea> i tried the beta 1 release of ubuntu 11.04 and it haves a problem with the internet
[14:15] <bullgard4> ilea:	i tried the beta 1 release of ubuntu 11.04 and I have no problem with the internet
[14:15] <ilea> after i make the DSL configuration and try to conect it tries to conect and tries a time and after it dosnt conect
[14:15] <elFidel> ilea: so your OS itself has to handle the DSL configuration?
[14:16] <ilea> the signal line gows up a time and after wont conect
[14:16] <ilea> i have a simple Dsl configuration
[14:16] <elFidel> are we talking about wlan or eth?
[14:16] <ilea> username, service, pasword and that is all
[14:16] <ilea> on ubuntu 10.04, kiwi and 10.10 works well
[14:16] <elFidel> uff - what country is that? just curious
[14:17] <ilea> on the last version dosnt work
[14:19] <ilea> i ask all this because ubuntu 11.04 is faster and i would like to use that but the internet conection with DSL haves bugs
[14:19] <achimtrf> Hello, i have a question on natty... Don't know whether it's a bug or a translation problem. Anybody ready for a short discussion?
[14:19] <Narc> When I open "Previous Conversations" by right clicking on a contact in Empathy, the window opens and gets ever larger in length. Nvidia drivers, Unity. Anyone else having this ?
[14:21] <khamer> elFidel, I'll see
[14:21] <bullgard4> !details | achimtrf
[14:22] <elFidel> khamer: good luck ;)
[14:22] <khamer> elFidel, broken for a brand new user account
[14:23] <achimtrf> Since yesterday i have Natty 11.04 with all updates until now. Now in my clock tray there is the date in the following manner: 12. Apr,, 15:22:44
[14:23] <elFidel> khamer: lemme add a user here
[14:23] <achimtrf> the -> ,,   is that a translation thing or a bug?
[14:24] <elFidel> khamer: works for newly created user (using adduser) as expected
[14:25] <khamer> yeah, I used adduser
[14:25] <bullgard4> achimtrf My display format is: "Di, 12. Apr., 15:25"
[14:25] <elFidel> khamer: strange - i dont get it then. looks like it is somehow related with your box/setup ...cant reproduce it at least on mine
[14:26] <khamer> hm
[14:26] <achimtrf> bullgard4: My locale is set to German.
[14:26] <khamer> I had someone else here fire up a VM to test it too, same thing, just my machine
[14:27] <khamer> I'll see if #bash has any ideas
[14:28] <bullgard4> achimtrf: '~$ locale; LANG=de_DE.UTF-8'
[14:29] <psald> hey guys, does anyone know what could be going on if the installer for natty beta gets stuck when trying to detect network interfaces?
[14:30] <achimtrf> bullgard4: LANG=de_DE.utf8
[14:30] <achimtrf> LANGUAGE=en
[14:30] <achimtrf> wanna have the whole copy?
[14:31] <lcb> achimtrf, right click on the date, select 'clock', unckeck 'date and month' and select another option. play a bit with it and see if you still have that.
[14:31] <bullgard4> achimtrf: No. I do not know a solution for your problem. Report it to Lauchpad, please.
[14:31] <bullgard4> +n
[14:32] <frankwe> achimtrf: what's your problem? Do you see two ,, ?
[14:32] <achimtrf> Okay... Now unity crashed while chatting...
[14:32] <achimtrf> frankwe: Yes, there are two of them
[14:33] <frankwe> achimtrf: i just filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/758628
[14:34] <khamer> elFidel, it looks related to bash_completion, as bash itself functions properly (builtins all work right)
[14:34] <achimtrf> thnx @ frankwe :)
[14:35] <frankwe> achimtrf: i did it already some hour ago;)
[14:35] <lcb> achimtrf, could you please type in terminal 'locale LC_TIME' and check if if you have the extra comma
[14:35] <bullgard4> What is the function of the process xfs_mru_cache?
[14:36] <khamer> elFidel, got it
[14:37] <achimtrf> lcb: No, i don't find two of them
[14:37] <frankwe> lcb: here's my output (i have the same issue) http://pastebin.com/LhZtGSff
[14:37] <lcb> frankwe, same location?
[14:38] <frankwe> lcb:  germany, if you mean that
[14:38] <lcb> frankwe, yes
[14:38] <khamer> elFidel, er, well, no, but disabling bash_completion is better than nothing
[14:39] <lcb> frankwe, add to your bug the locate results, check $ man locale
[14:39] <frankwe> lcb: ok, thanks
[14:39] <lcb> :)
[14:40] <lcb> so they could understand what's going on... looks like some translation mistyping somewhere
[14:40] <achimtrf> i try to restart unity - the console output looks strange...
[14:40] <lcb> achimtrf, try failsafeX
[14:41] <khamer> Found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/716008
[14:41] <achimtrf> hehehe, the console isn't ready for the next input ;) If i kill it, i'm back to a blank screen... play this game very often...
[14:42] <khamer> elFidel, so it was a natty thing, and that workaround fixes it
[14:44] <achimtrf> Icb: failsafe? most of the time i'm through with unity --reset. But sometimes it want's a reboot.
[14:44] <elFidel> khamer: great
[14:44] <lcb> achimtrf, reboot, press SHIFT right after bios messages and before grub loading, select recovery... wait a bit. select CLEAN then dpkg, then grub then root then reboot. do SHIFT again then select only failsafeX and repair X then default then cancel then restart X. these all all options in there.
[14:46] <lcb> these all all options in there. -- these all *are* options in there.
[14:48] <achimtrf> i wish to can give you a screenshot how it all looks :) two frozen terminals over my chatwindow :)
[14:48] <achimtrf> but the screenshot isn't possible...
[14:48] <lcb> achimtrf, try that... if you have a doubt tell me
[14:48] <troulouliou> hi i upgraded to 11.04 and now my vm hangs at startup
[14:49] <troulouliou> at the plymout screen UBUNTU ......
[14:49] <troulouliou> looks like freezed
[14:49] <troulouliou> any help ?
[14:49] <achimtrf> Thnx Icb - i had to wait until your text comes over the terminal - brb :)
[14:50] <lcb> btw, all display, upgrades etc problems could be resolved if you do what i wrote
[14:51] <troulouliou> lcb , even freeze ?
[14:51] <lcb> troulouliou, in your case i'ld reinstall the vm package,
[14:51] <troulouliou> ho no ...
[14:52] <lcb> troulouliou, not the virtual machine...
[14:52] <lcb> if you want copy the virtual machine to somewhere first
[14:52] <troulouliou> ha ok the guest package but how ?
[14:52] <troulouliou> in recovery mode ? or chroot with live cd ?
[14:52] <lcb> if you do that, remove with apt-get --purge remove thatVMpackage
[14:53] <lcb> then reinstall it
[14:54] <lcb> and troulouliou, yes, that recovery process helps correctig most of upgrade and graphics problems
[14:54] <troulouliou> lcb: ok thanks will try all that
[14:54] <lcb> troulouliou, no... when rebooting...
[14:55] <lcb> reboot and press SHIFT... read what i told the previous user
[14:56] <lcb> troulouliou, but in your case i would remove the VM  first
[14:56] <troulouliou> yes i m doing that at the moment , get access to tty1 , also it complains about some services that have been moved to ustart
[14:58] <lcb> other way to correct some problems is doing ' sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get -f install '. you could do also 'sudo dpkg-reconfigureThatVMpackage '
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:58] <lcb> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure ThatVMpackage '
[15:03] <Fjodor> Hi all. Has anyone else seen torrents become polluted with other stuff with transmission (in my case, random episodes of Star Trek TNG)? Bug #715046 is in place as a recommendation to upgrade the shipped version from 2.13 to 2.22 and I would like to argue for regarding what I was seeing, but have yet to file a bug, as I'm unsure as to how to describe the weirdness...
[15:15] <IdleOne> where do I edit the timeout time for sudo?
[15:16] <IdleOne> I want it to timeout immediately after the password has been entered so that the next sudo command requires the password be entered
[15:17] <IdleOne> I know some people are looking to disable the password. I want it more
[15:18] <BUGabundo> FYI for those interessed in doing some testing without burning new media:
[15:18] <BUGabundo> http://www.netboot.me/257001
[15:18] <BUGabundo> http://www.netboot.me/406003
[15:18] <BUGabundo> http://www.netboot.me/411001
[15:18] <BUGabundo> installers, CDRom, and CD Image
[15:18] <lcb> IdleOne, ' sudo visudo ' | type ' ,timestamp_timeout=60 ' (being 60 minutes)|
[15:18] <lcb> that's for the timeout
[15:19] <IdleOne> timestamp_timeout=1 would be 1 minute
[15:20] <lcb> yes
[15:20] <Pici> IdleOne: default is 15 minutes.  Theres more info in the sudoers manpage.
[15:20] <lcb> IdleOne, ' ,timestamp_timeout=1 '
[15:20] <IdleOne> I add that at the bottom of the file correct? just above the last line?
[15:21] <IdleOne> Pici: yeah, I find 15 minutes to be to long
[15:21] <lcb> to the end of lines in there
[15:21] <bullgard4> What is the function of the process xfs_mru_cache?
[15:21] <IdleOne> thanks lcb
[15:23] <IdleOne> lcb: like this: %sudo   ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL,timestamp_timeout=1
[15:23] <lcb> IdleOne, i have mine set to  ,timestamp_timeout=525600 ----- 1 yr
[15:23] <lcb> j/k
[15:23] <IdleOne> lol
[15:24] <lcb> IdleOne, you could change the permissions for the user other ways tough
[15:24] <lcb> read ' man sudoers '
[15:25] <lcb> and ' man visudo ' :)
[15:25] <lcb> careful changing that...
[15:26] <IdleOne> ok well here is my next question, if it defaults to 15 minutes where is that set?
[15:26] <lcb> is the default... so.. nowhere
[15:26] <IdleOne> it has to be somewhere
[15:27] <IdleOne> even default values have to be defined in some file
[15:27] <lcb> i have no clue
[15:27] <rww> IdleOne: presumably, sudo's source code ;P
[15:27] <lcb> maybe under the 'any key' :p
[15:28]  * IdleOne can't find the any key and my ISP refuses to tell me where to look for it
[15:28] <Punkoff> How do I put a shortcut to a Nautilus bookmark into Unity launcher?
[15:28] <lcb> geez.. they are bad
[15:28] <Punkoff> like the default Home shortcut
[15:29] <lcb> Punkoff, open nautilus then left click on the menu icon on the bar
[15:29] <lcb> right click, sorry
[15:30] <Punkoff> lcb, what am I supposed to see there? I'm using nautilus-elementary if this matters
[15:31] <lcb> Punkoff, you'll get an option " keep it in launcher '
[15:32] <lcb> and that would stay there until you remove it the same way
[15:32] <Punkoff> lcb, this will put Nautilus into the launcher, not the exact folder
[15:32] <Punkoff> it will open the home on launch
[15:32] <Punkoff> what I want is to have an exact folder quicklaunch
[15:32] <lcb> Punkoff, ohh, for that you need to " Creat Launcher "
[15:33] <lcb> than ad it that way... i don't know if it works...
[15:33] <Punkoff> lcb, but somehow default setup has a homefolder launcher entry with a custom icon
[15:33] <lcb> ad/add it
[15:33] <lcb> Punkoff, is in the code, you can't remove that
[15:33] <Punkoff> lcb, and at least put it back after deleted?
[15:33] <lcb> or change, immo
[15:34] <lcb> Punkoff, yes you can do it by reseting the launch bar
[15:34] <lcb> by doing this: $ unity --reset-icons
[15:35] <lcb> man unity
[15:36] <lcb> with this new release i would like to see a change on manpages
[15:37] <lcb> like this, for example: instead of man we would be able to achieve it with $ woman unity
[15:37] <achimtrf> Icb: hrhrhr :)
[15:37]  * yofel never heard of womanuals though :P
[15:38] <lcb> yofel, i know, it's hard to read even their minds
[15:39] <charlie-tca> hm, perhaps it should be changed to require the full word "manualpages" instead?
[15:39] <lcb> sorry women... we need you that's why we tease you
[15:39] <charlie-tca> What about book pages
[15:39] <penguinbait> why when I look at launchpad/ubuntu (11 beta1) I see packages I need like "xserver-xorg-video-omapfb" but when I install the preinstalled ARM netbook version, the repository cannot find these packages, I can download them manually and they install, is there something I need to enable?
[15:40] <lcb> or rtfm :)
[15:40] <lcb> oops
[15:41] <lcb> penguinbait, probably you don't have that repo in sources.list?!
[15:41] <Pici> penguinbait: I don't see a package by that name.
[15:41] <charlie-tca> 11 is not a version?
[15:41] <charlie-tca> How about 11.04 ?
[15:41] <Pici> penguinbait: Can you paste the launchpad link that you have for that package?
[15:42] <penguinbait> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+search?text=omap3
[15:42] <bullgard4> What is the function of the process xfs_mru_cache?
[15:42] <barcef> is there a way to resize tye
[15:42] <barcef> is there a way to resize the launcher icons?
[15:42] <yofel> interesting that rmadison doesn't find that package...
[15:43] <thiebaude> barcef, with the unity plugin in cpmpiz setttings manager
[15:43] <thiebaude> compiz
[15:44] <drc>  I noticed that booting from a LiveUSB Xubuntu 11.04B has no nvidia proprietary driver listed in Additional Drivers.  Does this mean that the nvidia driver is 1) not working in 11.04b or 2) Just not available in 11.04b?  Also, if I "update-manager -d" from  10.10 (which has the driver installed), will 11.04b recognize (and use) the driver?
[15:44] <penguinbait> any clue?
[15:44] <Pici> penguinbait: I'm guessing its because that is not an official port, so its packages are on ports.ubuntu.com, rather than archive.ubuntu.com
[15:45] <barcef> is there a way to resize the launcher icons? Is there no .conf file you can open in nano and edit?
[15:45] <thiebaude> barcef, read above :)
[15:45] <penguinbait> where are the repo def stored?
[15:46] <Pici> penguinbait: /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:46] <barcef> is there a way to resize the launcher icons? sorry, i'm still not used to this tiny keyboard.
[15:46] <bjsnider> drc, which nvidia driver, current, 173 or 96?
[15:46] <barcef> why does it post the old line
[15:46] <thiebaude> !ccsm
[15:46] <drc> bjsnider:  current
[15:46] <bjsnider> that works
[15:46] <barcef> thiebaude, what if you don't want to take the performance hit of having compiz running, is there no config file?
[15:47] <bjsnider> so it's not an issue if you want to upgrade
[15:47] <thiebaude> i not sure barcef  i dont use unity
[15:47] <thiebaude> i'm
[15:48] <penguinbait> can both repos be active at the same time?
[15:48] <Pr070cal> hi anyone had problems with firestarter and natty ?
[15:49] <Pr070cal> failed to open system log
[15:49] <Pici> penguinbait: Yes.
[15:49] <penguinbait> thanks
[15:49] <thiebaude> barcef, but dont you use unity 3d?
[15:49]  * lcb myself and irene do not agree with ubotu  in installing enhancements and  advanced customization of desktop while natty is still in beta phase. nut is just our opinion
[15:50] <drc> bjsnider: Just a clarification:  Both methods will result in a current driver being used in 11.04?
[15:50] <lcb> nut=but
[15:50] <bjsnider> drc, you mean clean install vs. upgrade?
[15:50] <drc> bjsnider: Yes
[15:51] <bjsnider> it's not an issue. even if the driver is removed or not installed you can install it later
[15:54] <drc> bjsnider: TY.  I'm just trying to get "all my ducks in a row" before installing 11.04. Trying <afterwards> has never worked for me.  TY, again.
[15:55] <Pr070cal> anyone know how to fix firestarter ?
[15:57] <Pici> Pr070cal: I highly suggest to use gufw instead of firestarter. I was under the impression that firestarter was being unmaintained upstream.
[15:58] <bjsnider> or just use a router
[16:09] <LarsTorben> i ordered two cds... one ubuntu 10.10 one kubuntu 10.10
[16:09] <LarsTorben> which one should use
[16:09] <LarsTorben> i
[16:11] <shvelo> where is natty beta download?
[16:11] <IdleOne> link in topic
[16:12] <IdleOne> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[16:12] <shvelo> where is topic
[16:12] <shvelo> ok
[16:12] <IdleOne> shvelo: /topic should display the topic for you
[16:15] <shvelo> ok
[16:15] <shvelo> i am upgrading 10.10 to 11
[16:17] <IdleOne> good luck
[16:17] <IdleOne> make sure you have your backups
[16:18] <shvelo> i dont need backups , i use virtual machine :D
[16:19] <shvelo> how long will it take?
[16:19] <IdleOne> 30 minutes to install on my machine
[16:20] <shvelo> damn
[16:20] <IdleOne> that is with all updates installed
[16:21] <shvelo> i dont have much time , i will shut it down
[16:22] <shvelo> restarting vm
[16:29] <BluesKaj> when I boot into natty I get this synaptiks notifier saying it can't find a touchpad this is a desktop pc. Would it be wise to remove/purge synaptics or is it tied /linked to other KB and mouse config files ?
[16:35] <shvelo> hey again
[16:41] <BluesKaj> Oh, the joys of running a dev OS ...I had to purge the synaptiks apps and config files , they were interfereing with my input devices ... for some reason the mousepad option was installed on my system...could be due to the wireless KB and mouse being interpreted as laptop input devices
[16:42] <Pici> deja vu...
[16:43] <BluesKaj> Pici, really ..hadn't noticed anyone else with that issue
[16:43] <Pici> BluesKaj: I think someone in #kubuntu was just talking about it.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> that ws probly me :)
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Earlier I was explaining why i was in and out due the screen freezing and KB and mouse becoimg toitally unresponsive
[16:46] <dansmith> Can anyone help me fix unity after a sinful venture into gnome3 land?
[16:46] <dansmith> (on 11.04)
[16:46] <BUGabundo> yep dansmith
[16:46] <BUGabundo> apt-purge it
[16:46] <dansmith> did that
[16:47] <bjsnider> you'll probably have to use ppa-purge on the gnome 3 ppa, and then reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[16:47] <BUGabundo> right
[16:47] <BUGabundo> ppa-purge
[16:47] <BUGabundo> that's it
[16:47] <dansmith> yeah, I did that already,
[16:47] <BUGabundo> I know of at least 3 success stories
[16:47] <dansmith> and ubuntu-desktop is installed
[16:47] <bjsnider> reinstall it
[16:47] <dansmith> and gnome classic works nicely,
[16:47] <dansmith> really?  isn't it just a placeholder?
[16:48] <dansmith> let me just tell you what I'm seeing with unity real quick, if you don't mind
[16:48] <bjsnider> it's just to make sure all of the packages it installs are really there
[16:48] <dansmith> Windows don't hardly render at all.  My user/logout/whatever menu has gigantic fonts, etc
[16:48] <dansmith> all kinds of corrupted screen things
[16:48] <dansmith> okay, let me do that
[16:48] <BUGabundo> eyah
[16:48] <BUGabundo> we know
[16:48] <dansmith> okay, sorry :P
[16:48] <BUGabundo> hence why you don't recommend installing it in the 1st place
[16:49] <bjsnider> wonder if your userland gnome config files have been changed
[16:49] <dansmith> is a reinstall (in synaptic) good enough or should I remove/install?
[16:49] <bjsnider> reinstall is fine
[16:50] <bjsnider> did it pull anything else in?
[16:50] <dansmith> okay, that didn't yank any more packages in
[16:50] <habanany> Abour a week ago I installed natty, and everything was going ok for a couple of days , until a couple of days ago. now when i boot on natty get frozen < what should i do?
[16:51] <bjsnider> dansmith, you might have to wipe out all of your userland config files, such as ~/.gnome2, ~/.gconfd et al
[16:52] <bjsnider> or just rename them to *.bak
[16:52] <dansmith> bjsnider: I created a new user (post-purge) to isolate that sort of problem, and it suffers the same issue
[16:52] <bjsnider> the purge must not have worked
[16:54] <dansmith> do you know what system/subsystem/package is responsible for the corrupted display?
[16:54] <dansmith> I figure it must be compiz or something like that
[16:59] <lord4163> hi
[16:59] <lord4163> anyone here?
[17:00] <habanany> Hey guys, one question, Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) Beta 1  ISO 698 MB (732,430,336 bytes) does it fit in 700 CD-R ?
[17:01] <lord4163> it does
[17:01] <lord4163> just burn it ;)
[17:01] <habanany> thank you lord4163
[17:02] <lord4163> could anyone help me?
[17:02] <nit-wit> check out the Xubuntu version as well it seems easier to mess with, I have mine setup with the compiz bling
[17:03] <nit-wit> lord4163, burn the image to a disc or load a thumb
[17:03] <yofel> !ask | lord4163
[17:03] <habanany> lord4163 .. do you recommend me magic iso ?
[17:03] <Turms> nevyn: i'm sure the soundcard is working, in another partition i've ubuntu /topic
[17:03] <lord4163> sure, or nero, imgburn
[17:03] <lord4163> would work with any program
[17:04] <charlie-tca> lord4163:It seems to help when the question has to be guessed at
[17:04] <lord4163> windows 7 as a build-in tool for burning iso's which works also fine
[17:04] <lord4163> uhhm
[17:04] <habanany> i have xp home lord4163
[17:04] <lord4163> When i maximize a window it stucks
 could anyone help me?
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Is there a question with that?
[17:05] <lord4163> habanany> use imgburn or infrarecorder or cdburnerxp
[17:05] <lord4163> yeah, how can i fix it?
[17:05] <habanany> if i have natty why should i pay for windows 7 :)
[17:06] <charlie-tca> maximized windows stick? As in, they won't ha
[17:06] <habanany> just kidding
[17:06] <dansmith> bjsnider: any idea(s)?
[17:06] <charlie-tca> they won't shrink again?
[17:06] <charlie-tca> habanany: Don't pay
[17:06] <lord4163> the whole pc freezes
[17:06] <lord4163> then i can't do anything
[17:06] <habanany> i wont, im broke
[17:06] <charlie-tca> I haven't paid for windows for 15 years now
[17:06] <lord4163> just move with the mouse
[17:06]  * charlie-tca doesn't have windows, either
[17:06] <lord4163> me neither just download it hehe
[17:07] <lord4163> the good thing of usenet right?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> lord4163: the mouse moves?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> and does double-click shrink the window again?
[17:07] <lord4163> no, i am just able to move with the mouse when the pc freezes
[17:07] <lord4163> no it doesn't maximize at all
[17:07] <habanany> So lord ... i have natty installed in a dual but but since a couple of days ago it freeze at boot up lord4163
[17:08] <lord4163> you get any error habanany
[17:08] <habanany> yep
[17:08] <lord4163> charlie, when i click on the icon it freezes
[17:08] <habanany> but i forgot
[17:09] <lord4163> you might have problems with drivers, probably ur videocard
[17:09] <habanany> it says natty fail ... starte happened when i decide to change setting to go straight to ubuntu when boot ... something like that
[17:10] <lord4163> u can boot from the live cd?
[17:10] <habanany> nee to burn first lord 4163
[17:11] <lord4163> DId you erease the CD? :D
[17:11] <habanany> never had it
[17:11] <habanany> i upgraded from 10.04
[17:12] <habanany> i tried boot from a previous version , but i dont know hot to do it
[17:12] <bjsnider> dansmith, nothing good
[17:13] <habanany> lord4163 ^^
[17:15] <crazedpsyc> is natty beta 1 stable enough to bother installing?
[17:16] <elFidel> stable is relativ isnt it? guess a good step might be trying it yourself in vm or similar
[17:16] <lord4163> Yeah
[17:16] <BUGabundo> I'm trying to run a livecd from the nightly
[17:16] <BUGabundo> for ..... 3h now
[17:16] <lord4163> it's running on the laptop
[17:16] <lord4163> i just downloaded a bunch of updates
[17:17] <BUGabundo> I've been running natty since day one
[17:17] <lord4163> Now it's maybe fixed (i hope so anyways
[17:17] <BUGabundo> my definition of stable is indoublty diff from yours
[17:17] <BUGabundo> mine is that I can't do what I want
[17:17] <crazedpsyc> I tried the nightly two days before the beta and it worked alright in VirtualBox, although without unity, but it wouldn't do anything at all when I ran it live
[17:17] <habanany> what speed shoud i burn natty?
[17:18] <lord4163> lowest
[17:18] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:18] <BUGabundo> Melting FAST
[17:18] <habanany> thanks
[17:18] <BUGabundo> don't do that
[17:18] <BUGabundo> that's false
[17:18] <lord4163> 4x ;)
[17:18] <BUGabundo> burn at what the cd recorder allows for that medium
[17:18] <elFidel> omg
[17:18] <BUGabundo> FUD
[17:18] <habanany> test  burn or finalize?
[17:18] <lord4163> to prevent fails
[17:19] <lord4163> but i burned it on 52x
[17:19] <lord4163> yes check on that one
[17:19] <BUGabundo> lord4163: netboot.me or bko
[17:19] <lord4163> "verify"
[17:19] <lord4163> ?
[17:19] <BUGabundo> check the burned media
[17:19] <penguinbait> I am trying to install this file https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/armel/xserver-xorg-video-omapfb/0.1.1-3ubuntu6  what do I put in my sources list?   any help is appreciated
[17:20] <BUGabundo> penguinbait: what do you have on your own source list?
[17:20] <BUGabundo> that's armel
[17:20] <BUGabundo> please pastebin it
[17:20] <elFidel> you know what armel is i guess
[17:20] <BUGabundo> ARM
[17:20] <penguinbait> yes I am using armel
[17:21] <penguinbait> working on paste
[17:21] <elFidel> BUGabundo: wasnt supposed for you ;)
[17:21] <BUGabundo> penguinbait: pastebinit /etc/apt/source.list
[17:21] <penguinbait> not on my arm, must move to system, 1 sec
[17:21] <penguinbait> uh, something like that
[17:22] <habanany> trial cannot burn over 300 mb :(
[17:22] <habanany> sucks
[17:22] <habanany> i give up
[17:23] <habanany> lord4163 i have a 4gb sd ... how do it installe there ?
[17:24] <bluefox83> holy crap!
[17:24] <bluefox83> >.>
[17:24]  * bluefox83 wonders how many of those nicks are really just bots >.>
[17:24] <habanany> oh , i know... unebootin
[17:24] <Pici> bluefox83: Eh?
[17:24] <IdleOne> bluefox83: 42
[17:25] <bluefox83> just thinkin out loud >.>
[17:25] <bluefox83> hey, where can i find all my regular admin stuff?
[17:25] <IdleOne> such as?
[17:25] <bluefox83> like there used to be a preferences, and a administration thingy...where the heck did those go?
[17:25] <dansmith> bjsnider: okay, thanks.. you can confirm though that my symptoms are indicative of the gnome3 transition and not related to the nvidia driver or something like that, is that right?
[17:26] <dansmith> bjsnider: or maybe I should say s/indicative/typical/
[17:26] <bluefox83> seems like all the admin and prefs stuff just got lumped in with all the other applications, which makes life a lot more of a hassle
[17:26] <bjsnider> dansmith, i'm using the blob and unity here and i have none of those issues
[17:27] <bluefox83> whats blob? O.o
[17:27] <dansmith> bjsnider: okay, that helps, thanks :)
[17:27] <SeRVeR01> hi there i tried to configure compiz profile but it ends with system crash and now unity didn't start
[17:28] <penguinbait> http://pastebin.com/nTLcqBzj
[17:28] <crazedpsyc> anybody know how to install ubuntu without burning a CD? I can't boot from USB, and I absolutely will not use wubi (ever again)
[17:28] <penguinbait> sheesh, what a pain
[17:29] <SeRVeR01> crazedpsyc, u can upgrade from ubuntu10.10
[17:30] <crazedpsyc> SeRVeR01: I can? How?
[17:30] <bluefox83> ok, how do i get awn back?
[17:30] <IdleOne> !awn
[17:30] <bluefox83> it's totally not working >.>
[17:30] <IdleOne> hmm
[17:30] <IdleOne> !docks
[17:30] <bluefox83> yeah, includes them...but where'd it go?
[17:30] <SeRVeR01> crazedpsyc,  alt+f2 and update-manager -d
[17:31] <crazedpsyc> SeRVeR01: thanks
[17:31] <penguinbait> any ideas?
[17:32] <bluefox83> craptastic....
[17:32] <bluefox83> i just tried to launch awn and instead i got like 5 awn docks piled one on top of the other.
[17:32] <bluefox83> and all of them complaining of crashes
[17:32] <elFidel> bluefox83: running 11.04 & classic desktop?
[17:33] <bluefox83> no
[17:33] <bluefox83> 11.04 and the new setup
[17:33] <bluefox83> which is making me consider ripping my hari out D:
[17:33] <elFidel> try it inside the classic desktop ;)
[17:33] <bluefox83> *hair
[17:33] <scoundrel50a> Hi, I tried to upgrade to Natty. through the update manager, got to reboot, and the grub comes up, but then click on enter and the screen goes black, and nothing happens, have yhou any idea what might be wrong?
[17:34] <bluefox83> scoundrel50a: screen stays black? try doing ctrl alt and then f keys...i had that problem as well
[17:34] <SeRVeR01> guys is there any command to start Unity ?
[17:34] <scoundrel50a> had no problems with 10.10
[17:34] <lord4163> startx ?
[17:34] <lord4163> :)
[17:34]  * bluefox83 is really not liking unity
[17:34] <elFidel> bluefox83: use classic then :)
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> bluefox83: when should i do that, as its rebooting or when?
[17:35] <SeRVeR01> x already runing
[17:35] <SeRVeR01> but it started without Unity
[17:35] <bluefox83> scoundrel50a: when the screen stays black
[17:35] <charlie-tca> SeRVeR01: unity --reset       work?
[17:35] <bluefox83> i had all kinds of problems when i upgraded...if i had it to do all over again i would seriously just install from scratch...
[17:36] <scoundrel50a> bluefox83: just tried that and it did nothing
[17:36] <SeRVeR01> charlie-tca, nop
[17:36] <bluefox83> scoundrel50a: you tried all the different f keys?
[17:36] <bluefox83> while holding ctrl and alt?
[17:36] <bluefox83> try them one at a time >.>
[17:36] <scoundrel50a> bluefox83: ok, will try each one
[17:37] <bluefox83> afk
[17:37] <SeRVeR01> charlie-tca,  i was trying to edit compiz setting then system crashed and now unity didn't start
[17:37] <SeRVeR01> all i got runing is gnome-do
[17:37] <penguinbait> I am trying to install this file https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/armel/xserver-xorg-video-omapfb/0.1.1-3ubuntu6  what do I put in my sources list?   any help is appreciated
[17:37] <BUGabundo> penguinbait: looks fine to me
[17:37] <BUGabundo> have you aptitude update it ?
[17:38] <BUGabundo> why are you trying to downgrade?
[17:39] <BUGabundo> 2011-03-18 14:04:54 WET Published
[17:39] <BUGabundo> 2011-03-18 14:05:31 WET Superseded
[17:39] <BUGabundo> MAYBE I'm blind
[17:39] <scoundrel50a> bluefox83:tried them all, and nothing happens
[17:39] <penguinbait> I am just trying to get packaged I need, I am just clueless
[17:39] <BUGabundo> BUT how the hec the old one is an higher version?
[17:39] <BUGabundo> ok, nvm
[17:39] <BUGabundo> I'm blind
[17:39] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:40] <BUGabundo> penguinbait: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[17:40] <BUGabundo> sudo aptitude full-upgrade READ WITH CAREFULL
[17:41] <scoundrel50a> bluefox83:its like its turned off, but the power light is still on
[17:42] <penguinbait> I have not even booted once, its a netbook preinstalled image, but I need some drivers which I can manually install, I just figured if I did this with aptitude in chroot before booting I might get somewhere, but I guess its not meant to be
[17:43] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:43] <BUGabundo> dpkg -i FILE.deb
[17:43] <BUGabundo> easy
[17:43] <BUGabundo> assuming no dependcies
[17:43] <scoundrel50a> does anybody else have any other ideas about how to fix this
[17:43] <penguinbait> yes, but I was hoping to install a few things and have it pull deps for me, I am trying to be lazy here
[17:44] <BUGabundo> do you have network?
[17:44] <BUGabundo> if so, just upgrade
[17:44] <penguinbait> I am doing upgrade now :)
[17:44] <BUGabundo> penguinbait: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[17:44] <penguinbait> we'll see what happens
[17:44] <penguinbait> I am
[17:45] <penguinbait> thanks
[17:48] <scoundrel50a> ok, this is bizzare, in the grub, it has the option to go into previous versions of ubuntu, so I clicked on that, and it looks like Natty has ooened up. It has the new desktop open, please can anybody help with this
[17:50] <arand> scoundrel50a: Previous version of Linux, not previous version of ubuntu, mind you
[17:50] <Daekdroom> scoundrel50a, that means previous version of the linux kernel.
[17:51] <home-alone> hi ! how to get ubuntu 11.04 with gnome 3..???
[17:51] <Daekdroom> !gnome3 home-alone
[17:51] <Daekdroom> Oops
[17:51] <Daekdroom> !gnome3 > home-alone
[17:52] <home-alone> gnome 3 is not stable yet..???
[17:52] <torchie> how accurate is libreoffice's ODT rendering
[17:52] <elFidel> home-alone: most likely not
[17:52] <Daekdroom> home-alone, the gnome3 ppa isn't.
[17:52] <Daekdroom> GNOME3 itself is, but the PPA is probably going to break stuff horribly.
[17:53] <Daekdroom> Afaik, it breaks unity and the themeing pretty much doesn't work
[17:53] <home-alone> so i am left with unity...??? i hate its netbook feel
[17:53] <elFidel> home-alone: choose classic at login
[17:54] <home-alone> i think there should be gnome ubuntu e.g gubuntu
[17:54] <elFidel> home-alone: choose classic at login
[17:54] <scoundrel50a> arand and Daekdroom: so why have I opened up into the new natty desktop with the icons down the left of the screen
[17:55] <obengdako> so what happens to my gnome2 themes with unity i currently use a mac theme and i guess i'll have to use classic and what is happening to gnome3 i have it already and love it i think the concept have been merged though
[17:55] <Daekdroom> obengdako, unity doesn't like GTK themes very much
[17:55] <obengdako> Daekdroom: hmmm then all the GTK folks are going to have a tough time
[17:56] <obengdako> but well classic login it is
[17:56] <obengdako> Daekdroom: have you tried gnome3
[17:57] <Daekdroom> obengdako, yes
[17:57] <Daekdroom> Like I said, it breaks Unity and GTK Themeing.
[17:57] <obengdako> hmmmm have to leave my ict center going to room catch you in thirty minutes
[17:57] <arand> scoundrel50a: Because you've only chnaged the kernel...
[17:58] <obengdako> there is a classroom session going on
[17:58] <Daekdroom> scoundrel50a, if you don't understand why it's happening that way, you shouldn't be using a development version, really
[17:59] <NelsonMinar> I've got graphics corruption on a brand new Natty Narwhal install. I have a weird video card. Is there some debugging guide updated for 11.04 I can follow?
[17:59] <Daekdroom> NelsonMinar, what does lspci | grep VGA say?
[18:00] <obengdako> i agree with Daekdroom if you can't tinker with your system you shouldn
[18:00] <NelsonMinar> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 LE AGP [Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP]
[18:00] <obengdako> t be using a beta or alpha version wati
[18:00] <arand> Come to think of it, I think it does say "previous versions of ubuntu" rather "than previous versions of the kernel"... Which is a bit misleading, granted
[18:00] <obengdako> wait for final release
[18:00] <NelsonMinar> it's a weird 2 DVI output AGP card; Windows hates it too. I'm just trying to get something basic working. Can't even figure out how to switch to VESA driver in 11.04
[18:00] <scoundrel50a> Daekdroom:ok, but neither does anybody else seem to know why this isnt booting, the option I am able to open is not a different kernal, it actually sais the words, 'boot from older version; it doesnt have a kernel number near it.
[18:01] <arand> I can't wait for full btrfs-integration where the former would actually be true :3
[18:01] <Daekdroom> scoundrel50a, the thing is, there is no GRUB option that allows to boot into an older ubuntu version.
[18:01] <Daekdroom> It's an older kernel version, for sure.
[18:02] <NelsonMinar> let me ask simpler: what happened to xorg.conf in Natty Narwhal?
[18:02] <Daekdroom> NelsonMinar, xorg.conf is no longer used by default for quite some time.
[18:03] <Daekdroom> By X.org itself, not only Ubuntu
[18:03] <NelsonMinar> ah, ok. what file do I edit to specify display driver now? all the online docs are about GUI editing, but my GUI is corrupt
[18:03] <arand> Hmm, well it does say "previous linux versions" So factually it isn't actually incorrect. Misleading if you use Linux in a broader sense, though..
[18:03] <arand> NelsonMinar: xorg.conf, any manual additions will be picked up
[18:04] <NelsonMinar> but I have to write one from scratch now? is there one I can copy from?
[18:05] <NelsonMinar> or alternately, is there any command line way to tell Ubuntu to use the VESA driver instead of the Radeon binary driver?
[18:05] <scoundrel50a> Daekdroom: I appologise, I just rebooted and I was wrong, it is what you said, then I get this option Ubuntu with Linux 2.6.35-28, which boots into the new Natty desktop
[18:05] <Daekdroom> scoundrel50a, anyway, you can go to a classic interface by logging out and selecting "Ubuntu Classic" at the bottom bar.
[18:06] <arand> NelsonMinar: You could always run  jockey-text I assume...
[18:08] <scoundrel50a> Daekdroom: the problem is, I can only get to a desktop if I use the previous linux option, if I click on the first option in the grub, the screen goes black, and that should not happen. How can I ge around that. Booting up from previous linux isnt ideal
[18:08] <NelsonMinar> arand: thanks, but jockey-text --list shows only xorg:fglrx as an option. that seems wrong.
[18:09] <scoundrel50a> I have a desktop open, can I use the terminal to update so that I can boot into Ubuntu properly
[18:09] <Daekdroom> NelsonMinar, jockey only handles closed-source drivers
[18:09] <arand> NelsonMinar: Well presumably you'd just remove/unistall that one then
[18:09] <NelsonMinar> ah, so then jockey would not be the way to enable the open source vesa driver
[18:10] <arand> NelsonMinar: It would be the way to disable the closed one, which should do what you want
[18:11] <Daekdroom> arand, unless he's using the opensource one
[18:12] <NelsonMinar> let me start from the beginning again. is there documetnation on how Natty Narwhal manages X server configuration?
[18:12] <arand> Ah, right, that is probably the case...
[18:12] <BluesKaj> NelsonMinar, i don't suppose jockey has a recommended driver listed ?
[18:12] <Daekdroom> NelsonMinar, it detects everything during the boot, afaik
[18:13] <NelsonMinar> no. I finally figured out it's loaded the ati driver; I guess I'll just uninstall that package.
[18:13] <arand> NelsonMinar: I'm not sure it's the right way, but starting out from the /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf file you might be able to piece together one forcing vesa...
[18:13] <Daekdroom> You could blacklist it.
[18:14] <NelsonMinar> I wonder if xserver-xorg-video-all was important?
[18:15] <Daekdroom> NelsonMinar, it's a metapackage that ensures you have all the video drivers ubuntu is meant to ship, I believe.
[18:15] <Daekdroom> !info xserver-xorg-video-all
[18:16] <rcconf> hi ppl
[18:17] <rcconf> Ubuntu network manager has an option for VPN "connect automatically" but doesnt work... Is this fixed in Natty?
[18:18] <scoundrel50a> please, can somebody help, if I can get a terminal, can I fix this problem?
[18:18] <rcconf> scoundrel50a: what problem
[18:20] <scoundrel50a> I have posted about it already, but I will go thorugh it again
[18:21] <scoundrel50a> I tried to upgrade to Natty, via the Update Manager, the upgrade seemed to go ok, rebooted, and clicked on the kernal in the grub, and the screen goes black. Its like it gets turned off.
[18:22] <rcconf> I wouldnt upgrade yet..
[18:22] <rcconf> it's not stable
[18:22] <scoundrel50a> But, if I reboot, then click on the use older kernal option, it boots into natty
[18:22] <crazedpsyc> uh oh, I'm upgrading right now :(
[18:22] <scoundrel50a> I did understand that, but I took a chance.
[18:22] <rcconf> risky
[18:22] <torchie> is there an alternative to the task bar becoming unusable when you have many windows open
[18:22] <torchie> like this is just a bunch of [...]
[18:22] <rcconf> and It's better to do a fresh install
[18:22] <torchie> in classic
[18:23] <scoundrel50a> can I upgrade using the terminal to see if I can sort this problem out
[18:23] <crazedpsyc> I've never had any ubuntu problems with this computer before, should I continue this upgrade to natty?
[18:23] <scoundrel50a> ok, I'll try the fresh install
[18:24] <crazedpsyc> my computer is a brand new ASUS laptop
[18:24] <NelsonMinar> awesome, unity won't run on the vesa driver
[18:24] <yofel> NelsonMinar: yes, it needs opengl
[18:25] <yofel> you can install unity-2d if you want
[18:25] <yofel> it needs compiz to be precise
[18:25] <crazedpsyc> intel HD graphics, 4-core intel i5. unity 2d works, unity 3d (old version from ppa) works too, will natty's unity work?
[18:25] <lcb> any known good fix to get tvtime audio working on 11.04?
[18:26] <crazedpsyc> another question: will running update-manager -d upgrade to beta 1 or a nightly?
[18:27] <scoundrel50a> How do I do a fresh install without loosing everything
[18:28] <meganerd> scoundrel50a: what do you mean by not loosing everything?  Documents and prictures or are you referring to installed applications as well?
[18:28] <Pr070cal_> how do i configure gufw? i set in+out to deny then allow port 80 out but i get no internet ?
[18:28] <crazedpsyc> scoundrel50a: install alongside the current install and copy everything you want over, then delete the old partition and resise the new one once you are ready
[18:28] <scoundrel50a> than ks.
[18:30] <NelsonMinar> useful: http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-get-ubuntu-2d-unity-desktop/
[18:30] <yofel> crazedpsyc: update-manager will update it to whatever is currently in the archive, meaning newer than latest nightly
[18:32] <crazedpsyc> oh, scary...
[18:33] <meganerd> not really
[18:33] <crazedpsyc> and I am on a wubi install, does that warning mean it is bad to just install through wubi, or is it also bad to upgrade a wubi install too?
[18:33] <rcconf> bye natty
[18:34] <lcb> any known good fix to get tvtime audio working on 11.04?
[18:41] <thiebaude> anyway to put the unity launcher on the bottom instead of the left side?
[18:42] <crazedpsyc> thiebaude: not without seriously hacking it ;)
[18:42] <thiebaude> ok, thanks :)
[18:42] <charlie-tca> crazedpsyc: as far as I know, upgrade is also bad for wubi
[18:42] <crazedpsyc> oh, then I better stop right now :(
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Should be working thursday, though. It seems to have gotten fixed for beta2
[18:43] <charlie-tca> let it
[18:43] <charlie-tca> let it go if you already started.
[18:43] <crazedpsyc> ok, but it's not fixed for the pre-nightly that update manager uses?
[18:43] <crazedpsyc> oh, just saw your message...
[18:44] <charlie-tca> fixed on the latest image
[18:44] <crazedpsyc> ok, thanks
[18:45] <bullgard4> Damn! I never had so many program crashes in Beta versions since 6.06.
[18:46] <crazedpsyc> what programs?
[18:46] <bullgard4> e. g. Banshee, Nautilus, Empathy,
[18:46] <bullgard4> aptd
[18:47] <crazedpsyc> hmmm, well all of those have gotten major upgrades for natty, (except aptd [possibly]), so that's understandable.
[18:47] <crazedpsyc> I just hope it's perfect by the 28th
[18:47] <bullgard4> LibreOffice
[18:48] <thiebaude> on the contrary things here are very stable for me
[18:48] <crazedpsyc> libreoffice? I have been using it on maverick (the same version) for months now without any problems, other than crashing when bleachbit runs
[18:51] <crazedpsyc> why does the distro upgrader have to download so much (over a gig last time) when the isos are only about 700mb?
[18:52] <maco> crazedpsyc: youve installed software that wasnt on the iso?
[18:52] <maco> also, the iso is recompressed even after teh packages on it are already compressed
[18:53] <crazedpsyc> oh, right. I completely forgot about that. I probably installed at least 300mb extra software
[18:53] <lcb> crazedpsyc, could also be zombies going into the system :0
[18:54] <crazedpsyc> any way to make it skip updates I don't want to bother with right now? (eg. games)
[18:54] <lcb> crazedpsyc, 11.04 is in development. if you don't do regular updates that could happen.
[18:55] <lcb> crazedpsyc, if you install beta1 instead of daily build, that could happen too
[18:55] <crazedpsyc> everything is updated to the latest maverick versions, but there are new natty versions
[18:56] <lcb> crazedpsyc, cancel it
[18:56] <lcb> crazedpsyc, you stell have maverik repositories?
[18:56] <lcb> still too
[18:56] <crazedpsyc> yep
[18:56] <yofel> shouldn't during upgrade
[18:56] <lcb> that's not good.. at all
[18:57] <crazedpsyc> I cancelled, remember!
[18:57] <yofel> lcb: it shouldn't break anything though
[18:57] <lcb> what crazedpsyc  said
[18:57] <crazedpsyc> so it restored the old repos
[18:57] <yofel> ah k
[18:57] <Daekdroom> the update-manager usually disables PPAs
[18:57] <crazedpsyc> yes, but most of my biggest programs are right out of the main ubuntu repos
[18:58] <crazedpsyc> like nexuis
[18:58] <crazedpsyc> *nexuiz
[18:58] <lcb> crazedpsyc, at this stage most of them are already "adapted" to natty
[18:59] <lcb> most of them...
[19:00] <yofel> hm, anyone an idea how to make libreoffice ignore the desktop theme? Writer giving me a black paper sheet instead of a white one to write on isn't much of a WYSIWYG editor...
[19:00] <crazedpsyc> last time I upgraded i removed a lot of the biggest programs, but that was too hastly
[19:00] <X3N> Is anyone having issues installing gconf2 ? when it goes to do dpkg --configure it gives gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: gconftool-2: undefined symbol: gconf_schema_set_gettext_domain
[19:01] <crazedpsyc> yofel: just a sec, i'm typing answer
[19:01] <maco> crazedpsyc: could disable universe
[19:01] <maco> then youd just get your stuff from main upgraded
[19:01] <maco> and then run the universe upgrade later
[19:01] <lcb> crazedpsyc, btw, about the cancel - is not good too. after updating your sources.list in my opinion you need to make an ' sudo apt-get -f install ', just in case something's broken/missing
[19:02] <yofel> lcb: not if he cancelled before it started installing
[19:02] <crazedpsyc> open the preferences, go to Appearance, set document background to "White"
[19:02] <yofel> cancelling once it does that is bad indeed
[19:02] <crazedpsyc> yofel: ^
[19:03] <crazedpsyc> yeah, it was just downloading
[19:03] <lcb> yofel, sure. his/her webcam is not 'on' so i can't see it :p
[19:03] <yofel> crazedpsyc: aaaah, thanks :D
[19:03] <lcb> :)
[19:04] <crazedpsyc> I had the same problem, all my documents came out gray. It was quite annoying ;)
[19:04] <Galvatron> Witam
[19:04] <lcb> some ppl just hit CTRL+C and cancel the installing. that's one of situations leading to problems afterwards
[19:05] <lcb> while on CLI ..
[19:05] <Galvatron> Hi
[19:05] <yofel> urgh, yeah, that's.... not so good
[19:05] <Galvatron> What wersion of Compiz 0.9 is currrently used in Natty?
[19:05] <yofel> !info compiz
[19:06] <lcb> yofel, so as a 'medium' i got into his mind and "WOW, 1/2 GB, let me unplug the power cord"
[19:06] <Galvatron> Thanks
[19:06] <yofel> heh
[19:07] <crazedpsyc> wow, exactly 2950 packages to install/upgrade! I wish it would automatically upgrade my internet connection first ;D
[19:08] <yofel> well, you could set up an apt-mirror, download 40G of packages over night, and then download it from there in a few minutes :P
[19:08] <charlie-tca> I did two at a time last night, 5 hours to download updates!
[19:08] <lcb> crazedpsyc, do it over night
[19:09] <crazedpsyc> ok
[19:09] <crazedpsyc> thats when my "Download Session" with less limited bandwidth is anyway
[19:09] <lcb> crazedpsyc, it seems like that's your main computer, isn't?
[19:10] <crazedpsyc> yeah
[19:10] <lcb> important things in it?
[19:10] <crazedpsyc> some, but I just backed everything up onto both a backup partition and a flash drive
[19:11] <lcb> ahh
[19:11] <crazedpsyc> well not everything, but the important bits
[19:11] <yofel> nice to meet someone that actually does that... ^^
[19:11] <lcb> lol
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I do that!
[19:11] <lcb> /home and /usr mainly
[19:12] <crazedpsyc> I didn't last time, and I learned :D
[19:12]  * charlie-tca backs everything up every year or two, whether I need to or not
[19:12] <lcb> i do /etc backups too, just in case
[19:12]  * crazedpsyc automatically syncs with a backup drive every 20 minutes now just to be safe
[19:12] <crazedpsyc> ;D
[19:13] <crazedpsyc> what's important in /usr though?
[19:13] <yofel>  /etc and /home are important IMHO, though I do regular full backups with rsync
[19:14] <crazedpsyc> I can always reinstall and reconfigure everything, that is fine
[19:16] <crazedpsyc> so I just need a few things from /home and Pics and Music are just links to another partition (don't worry, I have 450+GB to waste with all that)
[19:16] <lcb> crazedpsyc, so.. if you that, and you trust developers, overnight do a ' sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y && sudo apt-get -f install && and sudo halt ' and go to  sleep
[19:16] <lcb> that's dangerous... because it accepts everything
[19:17] <crazedpsyc> isn't that basically what update-manager -d is doing?
[19:18] <lcb> i'm not afraid of it anyway, i do it frequently and all command line is in a script
[19:18] <lcb> crazedpsyc, in part yes
[19:18] <crazedpsyc> what part of that doesn't it do?
[19:19] <crazedpsyc> other than an automatic shutdown
[19:20] <Pici> crazedpsyc: update-manager does other checks, like confirming that ubuntu-minimal is there and other core dependencies, opening up an extra ssh port if youre using do-release-upgrade over ssh,
[19:21] <Pici> Anything else that can't or shouldn't be handled within the debs themselves.
[19:24] <crazedpsyc> so should I just let it run all night and check it in the morning, or should I schedule a shutdown for 600 minutes from when I leave it and hope it is done by then?
[19:25] <yofel> latter sounds dangerous, let it run over night
[19:25] <crazedpsyc> ok
[19:26] <crazedpsyc> somebody on some blog or something had a good idea, just put a checkbox labeled "Automatically shut down when finished" in the distro upgrader
[19:28] <scoundrel50a>  ok, I just thought I would mention something about the upgrade to natty, I tried to upgrade via Update Manager, and got a black screen after grub, but cold boot up when I entered use older version, so I tried to do fresh install, and as soon as the cd rom begins, it immediately goes to a black screen, even though the cd rom is trying to load. There is a conflict I think with Natty and Aspire Intell GMA 4500M laptops
[19:28] <scoundrel50a> Its not possible to upgrade, not at the moment anyway
[19:30] <arand> scoundrel50a: You tried different versions of the liveCD? beta.. current...
[19:30] <scoundrel50a> I was trying to upgrade to natty, from 10.10
[19:31] <scoundrel50a> I know its beta, but its really close to full version, so I thought I would try
[19:31] <scoundrel50a> Not working at all
[19:32] <crazedpsyc> I hope that doesn't happen to me, but you said using an older kernel worked? So just use that one until the next kernel upgrade and try the newest one.
[19:33] <scoundrel50a> using 'previous linux version' option and it works, but it wont load any other way, even with cd
[19:33] <scoundrel50a> really annoying
[19:34] <arand> !daily
[19:34] <arand> scoundrel50a: Have you tried those ^
[19:34] <arand> Or, just the live one, I guess..
[19:35] <scoundrel50a> I havent seen that page, I will burn a cd rom from that page to see if that makes any differnce
[19:35] <lcb> yooopeee tvtime audio works this way ' tvtime -d /dev/video1 | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay '
[19:38] <crazedpsyc> is the vala port of indicator-weather available yet?
[19:41] <Scunizi> I'm doing a bunch of upgrades & dist-upgrades to my install.. and see a *bunch* of mono references.. looks like that tech is being used much more extensively with this release.
[19:42] <maco> Scunizi: i dont know what has changed on that front, i just remember people thinking the artwork included mono when it had "mono" its name, referring to being monotone
[19:44] <Scunizi> oh.. I saw that too..  looked like there was also launchpad mono integration and other libraries mentioned.. things were wizzing by too fast to catch it all.
[19:48] <Scunizi> What is "User Defined Session" on the password screen?  It's the last option after "Recovery Console", "Ubuntu", U Classic etc.
[19:49] <crazedpsyc> if there were any sessions it couldn't find (session examples are GNOME, KDE, Unity), you would put it in manually there
[19:49] <crazedpsyc> but there shouldn't be
[19:51] <solidslash> hey guys, is anyone else having an issue with flash content in chromium on natty x86-64? i just filled a bug report, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/759062
[20:03] <scoundrel50a> arand: ok, that has helped, I have managed to begin the booting of the live cd, from the first url you gave me.Its got further than the other live cd I had
[20:07] <scoundrel50a> Funny thing, seems that
[20:08] <scoundrel50a> that didnt work
[20:10] <owen> hey
[20:10] <owen> please can someone help me
[20:11] <owen> the title bar will not show in an unmaximised window
[20:11] <owen> it could be a compiz thing, idk
[20:11] <owen> please help
[20:11] <Pici> owen: Using Unity?
[20:11] <crazedpsyc> do you have ccsm? if so open it...
[20:12] <crazedpsyc> go to window decoration
[20:12] <owen> ah, thank you kind sir
[20:12] <owen> you are my saviour
[20:12] <owen> thanks xD
[20:13] <crazedpsyc> make sure "Decoration windows" is set to any
[20:13] <crazedpsyc> what did it say before?
[20:13] <owen> it is working now thanks
[20:13] <owen> it wasnt enabled, that is what
[20:13] <owen> xD
[20:14] <crazedpsyc> oh, ok
[20:22] <crazedpsyc> any way to accelerate apt? (by downloading from lots of servers at once)
[20:22] <crazedpsyc> seems like i saw a patched apt that did that
[20:23] <crazedpsyc> called something obvious like speedyapt
[20:25] <genii-around> or apt-fast, it uses axel
[20:26] <SwedeMike> I am usually saturated by my access connection anyway, so parallellising wouldn't help. I usually don't care anyway, as long as I get several megabytes/s
[20:26] <SwedeMike> choosing a local mirror usually is the only thing needed
[20:28] <crazedpsyc> well I still get about 40kB/s max on a 802.11n card and router with fast enough internet behind it
[20:29] <crazedpsyc> genii-around: where can I get apt-fast?
[20:30] <crazedpsyc> nvm, I found the repo
[20:32] <scoundrel50a> ok, I filed a bug report with launchpad, just wondered would anybody have any ideas why I cant load Natty, from looking at the report?
[20:33] <scoundrel50a> It has a load of information I dont understand with it.
[20:34] <yofel> bug # ?
[20:34] <scoundrel50a> 759104
[20:34] <yofel> lp 759104
[20:37] <scoundrel50a> anything on there that leaps out at anybody?
[20:37] <psalden> ugh... live image now get's stuck in the 'Ubuntu . . . .' screen again... is there no known solution for this?
[20:42] <jedix> scoundrel50a: try changing the grub boot line.. remove "quiet" and "splash" and maybe add "--verbose" to get more info on the kernel that doesn't work
[20:42] <meganerd> scoundrel50a: are you using nVidia or Ati's binary blobs?
[20:42] <jedix> meganerd: his report says it's intel graphics
[20:42] <meganerd> I missed that somehow
[20:43] <scoundrel50a> jedix: how do I do that? Can I do it via the terminal,
[20:44] <meganerd> scoundrel50a: edit the grub boot option for that kernel
[20:44] <meganerd> scoundrel50a: you can do it from within grub as well
[20:44] <scoundrel50a> jedix: can you talk me through that, dont know how to do it
[20:45] <jedix> scoundrel50a: reboot, when you get to the grub menu, press escape to stop the countdown
[20:45] <scoundrel50a> ok, I'll do that now, one sec
[20:45] <jedix> then you can select the kernel (2.6.38).. press e (I think, it should say what to press to edit the entry on the bottom of the screen)
[20:47] <scoundrel50a> ok, pressed e to edit, in setparams, what next
[20:47] <jedix> there should be several lines.. one that starts with "boot" and has the kernel filename and options
[20:47] <jedix> among that line, there should be "quiet" and "splash"
[20:48] <jedix> do you see that?
[20:48] <scoundrel50a> yes
[20:48] <jedix> remove those two words
[20:48] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec
[20:48] <jedix> then try booting.. it should say how at the bottom of the screen again.. I think it's escape, hten b for boot
[20:49] <scoundrel50a> removed those words, what about adding verbose? should I do that before hand?
[20:49] <jedix> nah, try with just those removed
[20:49] <scoundrel50a> ok, I'll give it a try now, one sec
[20:49] <jedix> verbose will add a lot of noise, if we can't see the issue we can add verbose on the second attempt
[20:50] <scoundrel50a> ok, now that is odd, the log in screen shows, but no light screen is black
[20:51] <jedix> I don't understand
[20:52] <jedix> `no light screen`?
[20:52] <scoundrel50a> the screen is blacked out, but I can just see the log in box in the background
[20:54] <scoundrel50a> Its like its forgotten to turn the lights on, sorry that is the only way I can describe it
[20:54] <jedix> oh, that's very strange.
[20:54] <jedix> this is an acer laptop?
[20:55] <owen> hey, i need some more help please
[20:55] <scoundrel50a> yes, Acer Aspire 5736Z
[20:55] <owen> basically, when a window isn't maximised the window can't be moved
[20:55] <scoundrel50a> Intel GNA 4500M graphics card
[20:55] <scoundrel50a> GMA, sorry
[20:55] <owen> i have installed the compiz windows decoration
[20:56] <owen> how do i get it so that windows can move when unmaximised?
[20:56] <owen> they won't move
[20:56] <scoundrel50a> using notebook to write this
[20:57] <owen> would anyone be able to help me please?
[20:57] <jedix> scoundrel50a: do you have ssh installed?
[20:57] <jedix> scoundrel50a: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10591451
[20:57] <jedix> sounds like you're hitting htat.
[20:57] <scoundrel50a> yes
[20:57] <jedix> scoundrel50a: try rebooting and going into that gurb line again
[20:57] <jedix> remove those two words again, then add "acpi_osi=linux acpi_backlight=vendor"
[20:57] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec
[20:58] <jedix> owen: I dunno about unity or gnome.. I use kde
[20:59] <scoundrel50a> where do I enter that, the same place I deleted the two words?
[20:59] <jedix> yeah
[20:59] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec, just add that now
[20:59] <jedix> apparently this bug showed up in -7
[21:01] <jedix> owen: I dunno about unity or gnome.. I use kde
[21:01] <owen> oh, thanks
[21:02] <owen> i just tried restarting the computer, didn't help
[21:02] <owen> would it be to do with something compiz?
[21:02] <jedix> try disabling it?
[21:02] <jedix> ctrl+shit+f12 I think
[21:02] <owen> need it for unity to work i think
[21:02] <scoundrel50a> nope, that didnt work
[21:04] <jedix> scoundrel50a: try acpi=off
[21:04] <jedix> ?
[21:05] <scoundrel50a> ok, just trying to reboot
[21:05] <owen> would any unity users here be able to tell me why i can't move an unmaximised window?
[21:06] <scoundrel50a> no, that didnt work either, but I did get the drums this time to show the log in screen appeared
[21:06] <owen> oh, i needed to enable some compiz shit
[21:06] <owen> thanks anyway
[21:07] <scoundrel50a> I can still see the log in screen, but no backlight
[21:07] <jedix> what about the laptop keys to change the backlight?
[21:08] <jedix> do they do anything?
[21:10] <scoundrel50a> which ones, I am rebooting again
[21:10] <jedix> function + arrows?
[21:11] <jedix> the fn key + brightness control
[21:11] <jedix> the other thing you could try is playing with the power savings in the bios
[21:11] <jedix> it seems a few people are having this issue
[21:11] <scoundrel50a> is function Fn?
[21:12] <scoundrel50a> I never touch the Fn buttons
[21:13] <guntbert> scoundrel50a: here is <FN><Pos1> = brighter, and <FN><End> = less so
[21:15] <jedix> scoundrel50a: yeah
[21:15] <jedix> Fn+whatever looks like it's turning the brightness up
[21:18] <jedix> scoundrel50a: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+question/141895
[21:18] <jedix> this sounds like a regression from -6 to -7
[21:19] <scoundrel50a> guntbert: what is <Pos1> nothing seems to be working
[21:19] <scoundrel50a> brb, need a pee
[21:19] <bluefox83> is there an easy to use backup utility for 11.04?
[21:20] <bluefox83> i need to backup my home dir so i can reinstall...
[21:22] <jedix> scoundrel50a: it looks like on your keyboard it's Fn+left arrow
[21:22] <jedix> bluefox83: do you have a usb disk big enough?
[21:24] <gareththered> bluefox83:   boot with your install media and delete all directories other than /home.  Then install.
[21:25] <scoundrel50a> no that didnt work. I just tried it on this machine to check, and it workson here, not on the laptop though
[21:26] <jedix> scoundrel50a: I'm out of ideas
[21:27] <scoundrel50a> ok, with the launchpad url you gave me, its giving the cokmmans to run sudo updater grub command, but how do I do that, each time I enter something in the grub, it goes back to quiet splash
[21:30] <jedix> scoundrel50a: that's because you're editing it for one time
[21:30] <jedix> to change it,  you have to edit the file they are saying and run the updater
[21:31] <scoundrel50a> so how do I do that? Edit the file, where do I get it, as I cant get in unless I go in via previous linux version, then I can get Natty to boot.
[21:31] <scoundrel50a> can I do it that way?
[21:32] <jedix> yeah
[21:32] <jedix> you can do it that way
[21:32] <jedix> but it won't work
[21:32] <jedix> if it doesn't work when you enter it on the grub commandline, it won't change when you boot normally
[21:32] <scoundrel50a> this is really annoying
[21:33] <bluefox83> i actually have a 4gb stick
[21:34] <scoundrel50a> if his backlight is off, how can he run gksudo gedit, where does he get the caommand line from
[21:34] <jedix> scoundrel50a: just use the old kernel utnil there's a new kernel
[21:34] <scoundrel50a> how would i update then?
[21:34] <jedix> scoundrel50a: update the bug report with what we did and that it didn't help your backlight problem
[21:34] <jedix> scoundrel50a: boot the old kernel..
[21:35] <scoundrel50a> when will the new kernal be working
[21:35] <jedix> no idea
[21:36] <scoundrel50a> ok, thank you for your help, I really appreciate it
[21:36] <jedix> scoundrel50a: np, sorry I couldn't help more
[21:37] <jedix> bluefox83: is /home on it's own partition?
[21:37] <jedix> scoundrel50a: I'd update the bug report so that it gets fixed faster
[21:37] <jedix> scoundrel50a: you could also try installing older kernels..
[21:38] <jedix> scoundrel50a: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.38-6-generic maybe?
[21:39] <bluefox83> jedix: no, /home is not it's own partition
[21:39] <jedix> bluefox83: cp -ra /home/* <mount point>
[21:39] <jedix> bluefox83: you could also do what gareththered said to do
[21:40] <jedix> boot with the install media, open a terminal and delete everything besides /home, then install without formatting the partition
[21:40] <bluefox83> i actually should go through and find what files i want to keep and which ones i don't...
[21:40] <bluefox83> i would really like to keep my old emails...
[21:41] <jedix> yeah, I'd suggest setting up a backup of those files anyways
[21:41] <jedix> in case of hardware issues
[21:48] <bluefox83> considering switching back to debian...not sure i care much for unity
[21:49] <bluefox83> i heard mint was nice too...might try that out
[23:19] <ceed^> i was going to a web site and it want's to install the Unity web player. That doesn't have anything to do with Unity on Ubuntu?
[23:20] <IDWMaster> I'm installing updates, and am only getting a 24KBPS connection to the US update server. Is it just my connection, or are other people experiencing slow updates as well?
[23:20] <dto> hey, how's the new beta?
[23:20] <IDWMaster> Good, except the hibernate is quite glitchy
[23:21] <IDWMaster> And something about Xorg broke compatibility with a lot of applications
[23:21] <charlie-tca> IDWMaster: there are a lot of changes, and iso images are being tested for Beta 2, that might be having an effect.
[23:21] <IDWMaster> That can be fixed though, by installing the Xorg development libraries
[23:21]  * charlie-tca has a slow connection and can't tell the difference
[23:22] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[23:22] <IDWMaster> I have kind of a lousy ISP, so I can't always tell if it's my connection, or if it's the website I'm connecting to.
[23:22] <Ian_Corne> apps appear twice on my launcher...
[23:22] <IDWMaster> Is there any way to move apps to a different position on the launcher?
[23:23] <rww> IDWMaster: us.archive.ubuntu.com was rather slow for me yesterday
[23:24]  * rww hasn't tried today
[23:24] <trism> IDWMaster: drag them off the launcher and then pull them somewhere else
[23:24] <mikesergio> Does anyone else have this problem?
[23:24] <mikesergio> The launcher in unity recognizes input with a control key as a garabge character. For example, typing Ctrl+V into the launcher gives me garbage.
[23:24] <IDWMaster> Thanks!
[23:24] <Daekdroom> mikesergio, you might want to talk about that over #ayatana . It's the channel of the team responsible for the Unity development.
[23:25] <bluefox83> ok, i'm a bit miffed...i created a usb boot disk of 11.04. restarted...formatted the drive...then found out it was still 10.10
[23:25] <mikesergio> will do, thank you
[23:25] <bluefox83> i'm like wtf >.>
[23:34] <dto> IDWMaster: i'm upgrading from 10.10 on this tablet pc right now
[23:34] <dto> :)
[23:41] <mavromatis> hi, I have a problem and a possible correlation: after doing a dist upgrade to natty beta the signal strentgh my netbook receive diminished
[23:42] <IDWMaster> I had a similar problem, and switching the router from 11g/n/b to 11g/n fixed it
[23:43] <mavromatis> the bad thing is it's a municipal one
[23:43] <mavromatis> so no changes can be made on the router
[23:48] <bluefox83> i am really hoping a fresh install of 11.04 is not the epic fail the upgrade was...
[23:49] <mavromatis> well, I'm kinda thinking of going arch instead of fresh install
[23:49] <gordonjcp> bluefox83: I pretty much only ever do fresh installs instead of upgrades
[23:49] <gordonjcp> except in Arch which is rolling update
[23:50] <gordonjcp> hard disks are cheap
[23:50] <gordonjcp> bluefox83: how big is the disk you're installing onto?
[23:50] <bluefox83> well i am noticing no gay menu on the left side of the screen now...so that's nice
[23:50] <bluefox83> 160 gb
[23:50] <mavromatis> using beta now and not too happy
[23:51] <gordonjcp> bluefox83: oh, you need a new hard disk anyway
[23:51] <mavromatis> this wireless issue is too critical for me
[23:51] <arand> Do report bugs...
[23:51] <gordonjcp> bluefox83: keep the old one as a backup and stick in a shiny new 1TB drive for £50
[23:51] <bluefox83> actually...i just noticed that the damn hard drive should be a LOT bigger O.o
[23:51] <gordonjcp> bluefox83: my price point used to be £80
[23:52] <gordonjcp> people say "how big a hard disk should I get?" and I'd say "about £80"
[23:52] <bluefox83> lol
[23:52] <bluefox83> uhm, it was 500gb...i think something happened during formatting
[23:52] <gordonjcp> much below £80 and size fell off sharply
[23:52] <gordonjcp> much above £80 and you pay a lot more for not much more disk
[23:52] <gordonjcp> that was back when £80 got you about 30 or 40GB
[23:52] <bluefox83> gordonjcp: my laptop doesn't need a 1tb drive, my desktop already has one
[23:53] <gordonjcp> bluefox83: ah, laptop drives are more expensive ;-)
[23:53] <gordonjcp> anyway the price point has dropped so now you get a decent size for £50, half the size is only a tenner cheaper, and half as big again in more than twice the price ;-)
[23:54] <bluefox83> eh, well i spent $35.00 USD on my 1tb :)
[23:54] <sonja> i mad the following mistake http://tinyurl.com/gnome3oops when upgrading
[23:55] <sonja> any suggestions on how to fix?
[23:55] <mavromatis> but I fear that it is kernel related and will haunt me on another distro too
[23:55] <bluefox83> wish i had replaced the motherboard though, dang thing is so freaking old i had to slide a sata card in it and cross my fingers it would work
[23:55] <thiebaude> !gnome3
[23:56] <sonja> yeah that's what happened :)
[23:56] <thiebaude> yep it borked my system twice
[23:56] <sonja> thiebaude is wise :)
[23:56] <thiebaude> lol
[23:56] <thiebaude> wise not to use it,lol
[23:56] <sonja> any hope for me to return to gnome pre-3 ?
[23:56] <thiebaude> wait til its stable
[23:56] <thiebaude> imho :)
[23:57] <sonja> well i'm at the state where it displays that error message i put in the forum post
[23:57] <sonja> in that tinyurl
[23:57] <Daekdroom> sonja, ppa-purge ?
[23:57] <sonja> can i do that from grub shell ?
[23:57] <Daekdroom> sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 is your best bet.
[23:57] <Daekdroom> You can do that from tty.
[23:57] <bluefox83> wtf is nanny?
[23:57] <Daekdroom> recovery mode works.
[23:58] <sonja> i have no clue what nanny is
[23:59] <sonja> in recovery menu