[06:43] <bradm> head_victim: the planet should be updated, does it look ok?
[08:59] <head_victim> bradm: Looking pretty much how I expected. I will email the list to make sure everyone checks that it is all as they wanted
[09:00] <head_victim> bradm: hmm ben wright's icon is largish and Stephen Rees-Carter looks absent
[09:11] <praetorian> 31
[09:11] <praetorian> typo
[09:37] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[09:37] <head_victim> sagaci: pong
[09:38] <sagaci> head_victim: what are RT's
[09:38] <head_victim> Good question, I obvously wrote that when I was wayyy too tired
[09:38] <head_victim> Request Tracker
[09:39] <head_victim> It's what I have to submit (basically just an email) to request any changes to Canonical hosted projects.
[09:42] <sagaci> i'll change the time for NSW too on the wiki, it's still at 9pm
[09:44] <head_victim> Thanks, another of the reasons I'm considering the move to loco.u.c for everything.
[09:44] <head_victim> It's all in UTC so you can import it to your local
[09:44] <head_victim> No room for confusion.
[09:44] <sagaci> oh
[09:54] <head_victim> sagaci: is that a good "oh" or a bad "oh" ?
[09:54] <sagaci> doh
[10:39] <hot_wheelz> can anyone here confirm the bug relating to Suspension with nvidia optimus has now been fixed in 11.04 as it was slated to be done?
[10:39] <hot_wheelz> head_victim?
[10:40] <head_victim> hot_wheelz: the only way I could confirm it woould be to find the bug and see what it's status is
[10:43] <hot_wheelz> head_victim would u mind checking it out please? I can't seem to see it but maybe i'm missing somthing
[10:44] <head_victim> Do you know what bug number it is?
[10:44] <head_victim> Or a link to a forum thread?
[10:45] <sagaci> head_victim: we have to guess
[10:45] <hot_wheelz> head_victim hang on
[10:45] <head_victim> I can find several threads on ubuntuforums.org that show how to fix that issue
[10:45] <sagaci> head_victim: pick a number between 2 and 700,000
[10:45] <head_victim> hot_wheelz: I'd look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1634301 first
[10:46] <hot_wheelz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1691356
[10:47] <head_victim> Yeah that thread points to the one I linked to
[10:52] <head_victim> So who's milling around for the meeting?
[10:53] <dns53> it's in 10 min?
[10:53] <head_victim> Yep
[10:56] <sagaci> moi
[10:56] <head_victim> blahdeblah: did you ever hear back about how many computers needed Ubuntu installed?
[11:00] <head_victim> Ok it's 8pm so I guess we should start
[11:00] <head_victim> #startmeeting
[11:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:00. The chair is head_victim.
[11:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:00] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings
[11:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings 
[11:00] <head_victim> As usual the agenda is located at the wiki
[11:01] <head_victim> And as customary we should start with a role call so feel free to write a line to indicate your attendance.
[11:02] <sagaci> this is my line
[11:02] <head_victim> Welcome jaddi27, we're just starting the roll call
[11:02] <head_victim> sagaci: there are many like it but this one is mine
[11:02] <jaddi27> hi everyone
[11:02]  * dns53 waves to the room
[11:03] <dns53> how is everyone today
[11:03] <head_victim> Good, good. Anyone else around?
[11:04] <head_victim> Ok well I guess we should just get into it
[11:04] <jaddi27> Ok, sounds good
[11:05] <head_victim> I might leave the first topic to see if more people show up throughout the meeting
[11:05] <head_victim> So moving on to the second topic
[11:05] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Update on RTs
[11:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update on RTs 
[11:05] <head_victim> Firstly  I should explain what an RT is because I apparently updated the wiki for this topic when it was really late at night.  
[11:06] <jaddi27> I was just about to ask about that
[11:06] <head_victim> RT is request tracker, the system Canonical uses to deal with support tickets. You can see more detail at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_Tracker
[11:06] <jaddi27> Right. That makes a lot of sense now
[11:06] <head_victim> So essentially anytime we, the loco, would like any Canonical services to be changed or updated we need to log an RT for Canonical to look into it for us.
[11:07] <head_victim> My apologies for not making this more clear on the wiki.
[11:07] <head_victim> So the first RT was about the planet
[11:07] <head_victim> [LINK] http://planet.ubuntu.org.au/
[11:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://planet.ubuntu.org.au/ 
[11:08] <head_victim> As of today it has been updated to reflect the changes that were provided to me after my call to the mailing list.
[11:08] <head_victim> I have noticed a couple of minor issues with some icons but the content seems correct.
[11:09] <head_victim> So if you requested a change please check to make sure it is now how you want it.
[11:09] <head_victim> [ACTION] head_victim to email the list to confirm all changes made recently are now correct and no further modifications necessary.
[11:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  head_victim to email the list to confirm all changes made recently are now correct and no further modifications necessary. 
[11:10] <head_victim> I wasn't sure it would be completed so I just wanted to make sure I kept everyone up to date 
[11:10] <jaddi27> That sounds fine. I am not really sure what was wanted, so I am can't really answer that question unfortunately
[11:10] <head_victim> jaddi27: it was more for the people requesting changes to let them know they'd been made so they could double check them
[11:11] <jaddi27> yes
[11:11] <dns53> head_victim so if we need something changed we request it to you or to cannonical or is it someone else?
[11:11] <head_victim> It's nice to see we're starting to get a few more people on the list, and if anyone else would like theirs added please just let me know.
[11:11] <head_victim> dns53: all requests for loco related changes need to go through the team contact (me), this is pretty much the one official duty of the role
[11:12] <dns53> head_victim cool just making sure that was the case
[11:12] <head_victim> So because of that I wanted to make sure I'm keeping everyone informed of the progress.
[11:12] <head_victim> dns53: no problems, I'm always on IRC for a PM or email is just as good
[11:13] <head_victim> I have a shiny new ubuntu.com email address actually, so jarednorris [at] ubuntu [dot] com will also make it to me :)
[11:14] <head_victim> [LINK] www.ubuntu.com.au
[11:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  www.ubuntu.com.au 
[11:14] <head_victim> The second RT is to do with the discussion based around updating the drupal installation for our website.
[11:15] <head_victim> I have been in some conversation with some local Canonical folk and to get this moving along I have raised an RT with Canonical to update their installation to Drupal 6.
[11:15] <head_victim> As the way they have it set up affects more than just us as a loco they will need a few weeks for testing apparently.
[11:16] <head_victim> [ACTION] head_victim to email the list with any further updates
[11:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  head_victim to email the list with any further updates 
[11:16] <head_victim> So that basically concludes my round up of the RTs outstanding. Does anyone have any questions (am I moving too quickly?)
[11:16] <jaddi27> I thought that Canonical would have updated it earlier, seeing as all of the Ubuntu Drupal modules are made for Drupal 6
[11:17] <jaddi27> But it is good that they are looking into it for us
[11:17] <head_victim> jaddi27: I thought that as well but Canonical weren't even really aware of the UbuntuDrupal project it seems.
[11:17] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDrupal
[11:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDrupal 
[11:18] <jaddi27> I am quite suprised by that. All of the  modules looked fairly official
[11:18] <head_victim> For those of you not sure that is the UbuntuDrupal project.
[11:18] <jaddi27> I am not sure whether this is the time or not to bring it up, but I think I have found a way to fix the issue with the l.u.c calendars coming up wrong in Thunderbird
[11:18] <head_victim> I have also added this information to the RT so that they can think about testing those modules as well.
[11:19] <jaddi27> That would be good if they made it official - it would be a lot easier for everyone
[11:19] <head_victim> jaddi27: I'm hoping they'll get together to talk.
[11:20] <head_victim> Will make our job easier to admin the site
[11:20] <jaddi27> Yes, it definitely would
[11:20] <head_victim> And help keep it fresh and up to date
[11:22] <head_victim> jaddi27: I guess your comment on loco.u.c rolls nicely into the last topic which we can do now if you like if everyone else is ok with the RT update?
[11:22] <head_victim> dns53, sagaci, everyone else ok to move on?
[11:22] <sagaci> yup
[11:22] <dns53> sounds good
[11:22] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Loco.ubuntu.com
[11:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Loco.ubuntu.com 
[11:23] <blahdeblah> sorry i missed the start guys - did i miss anything important?
[11:23] <head_victim> blahdeblah: just an update on the RT status really so far
[11:23] <blahdeblah> Woot!  My planet feed updated!  Wow.
[11:23] <blahdeblah> :-)
[11:23] <head_victim> blahdeblah: if you can double check it's all how you want it that would be great :)
[11:24] <blahdeblah> Already did - all good
[11:24] <head_victim> And as a fellow website admin you might be interested to know Canonical are testing out Drupal 6  to install for us.
[11:24] <head_victim> Will take a few weeks or so apparently but at least the process has started.
[11:24] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Remember my saturated 100 Mbps Internet connection?  ;-)
[11:24] <head_victim> blahdeblah: indeed :)
[11:24] <blahdeblah> Cool - we're long overdue for a Drupal upgrade
[11:25] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah I needed to get the ball rolling so we can hammer out the details on the list but at least now it's started.
[11:25] <head_victim> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au
[11:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au 
[11:25] <head_victim> Has anyone used this site much?
[11:25] <blahdeblah> well, don't let me stop you from getting on with it
[11:25] <head_victim> What do we think of it?
[11:25] <blahdeblah> ugh - laggy
[11:26] <head_victim> I am thinking it would be a nice place to use as basically our team calendar.
[11:26] <sagaci> looks fine and integrated
[11:26] <blahdeblah> I looked at it last time you posted it - does that count? :-P
[11:26] <head_victim> Currently I'm having to update meeting information in 3 places and it's getting laborious.
[11:26] <blahdeblah> I reckon
[11:26] <jaddi27> I think it works well, especially if it can be linked into ubuntu.com.au
[11:27] <jaddi27> It would be even better if it integrated with wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <blahdeblah> Didn't someone say on the mailing list that once we get a Drupal upgrade we can pull the calendar into Drupal as well?
[11:27] <head_victim> As far as linking to ubuntu.com.au would a tab up the top that took you to it be good enough? We could get an RSS feed from it to the news section?
[11:27] <head_victim> blahdeblah: not 100% sure until it happens really.
[11:27] <dns53> so is http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au the best calendar to use?
[11:27] <jaddi27> I would have thought we could make a block on Drupal that lists the rss feed
[11:28] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: Yeah, but that doesn't give nice formatting to the event
[11:28] <head_victim> dns53: well that is where Ubuntu (the community council) would like us to use if not primarily at least just a place to mesh up with the global events
[11:28] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: yes, that is true. We might be able to import it into the Calendar module if we can get that installed
[11:28] <head_victim> So my logic is if we're using this to align ourselves with the rest of the locos (bearing in mind activity on loco.u.c will be visible and easy to see come reapproval time) it might be easier to use this as a primary.
[11:29] <blahdeblah> sounds good to me
[11:29] <jaddi27> I would be happy with that to happen
[11:30] <head_victim> So can I run a test this month on loco.u.c to see how it goes. Basically instead of logging agenda items on the wiki anyone can log it to the loco.u.c site. I will make sure there are links everywhere to it.
[11:30] <head_victim> I have done this for the last few meetings and just linked to the wiki page and it's just as easy, if not easier, than doing it on the wiki in my opinion
[11:30] <blahdeblah> yeah
[11:30] <jaddi27> yes
[11:30] <jaddi27> What I was going to say before about the calendar in Thunderbird - if a 'Z' is added to the end of each of the date/times in the .ics file, it will work properly in Thunderbird/Lightning
[11:31] <head_victim> [ACTION] head_victim to email the list details of loco.u.c meeting information as a test for next month
[11:31] <jaddi27> This will make the events to be in UTC time, so Thunderbird will know to adjust the times to our local time as set in the program
[11:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  head_victim to email the list details of loco.u.c meeting information as a test for next month 
[11:31] <head_victim> jaddi27: that's another bonus, no confusing the time. Most calendar programs are able to convert UTC pretty easily from what I understand
[11:31]  * blahdeblah would definitely like to have a decent feed into Lightning
[11:32] <jaddi27> Yes, they are. However Thunderbird just detects the calendar as local time, as there is no time zone definition in the ics file
[11:32] <head_victim> MoLE_: good to join us, I was hoping you'd make it as you're up next, we're just discussing loco.u.c at the moment as a test for next month
[11:32] <jaddi27> So if the website was changed to add a 'Z' at the end of events in UTC time, they would import properly into Thunderbird
[11:33] <head_victim> jaddi27: logged a bug?
[11:33] <head_victim> I know the team dev this are keen for input
[11:33] <jaddi27> No, I haven't yet. I will do that very soon
[11:33] <head_victim> jaddi27: sounds good if everyone can benefit :)
[11:34] <head_victim> [IDEA] jaddi27 to log a bug against loco.u.c about the calendaring issue and let the mailing list know how it goes 
[11:34] <MootBot> IDEA received:  jaddi27 to log a bug against loco.u.c about the calendaring issue and let the mailing list know how it goes  
[11:35] <jellyware> sorry I'm so late, I'm actually at another real-life meeting
[11:35] <MoLE_> Am on the mobile so can't interact much
[11:35] <head_victim> Ok, so are we happy to move on from this or is there anything else people want to discuss about loco.u.c?
[11:35] <head_victim> MoLE_: that's ok as soon as we're done on loco.u.c I had a couple of ideas for you for your topic 
[11:35] <jaddi27> I am fine to move on now
[11:36] <head_victim> Cool,
[11:36] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Any suggestions for promotional materials (posters, flyers, etc) for the Natty release?
[11:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any suggestions for promotional materials (posters, flyers, etc) for the Natty release? 
[11:37] <head_victim> MoLE_: your topic :)
[11:38] <head_victim> [LINK] http://spreadubuntu.org/ is always a great place to start looking for promotional material though if you didn't know it existed
[11:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://spreadubuntu.org/ is always a great place to start looking for promotional material though if you didn't know it existed 
[11:41] <blahdeblah> Sooo...  Moving right along.........
[11:41] <head_victim> Does anyone else have any good places?
[11:41] <head_victim> I think MoLE_ is suffering on his mobile
[11:42] <jellyware> I agree about spreadubuntu.  great site
[11:42] <head_victim> I was hoping to talk to elky about getting permission to upload the loco business card and poster to the site so others can use it as well but I keep forgetting
[11:43] <head_victim> It would be nice to use the basics of this for more loco specific material.
[11:43] <head_victim> I know ikt was working on some stuff for a while there but he's not around so maybe ask others on the list?
[11:43] <dns53> There are a few pages on the ubuntu wiki with other things but i'd use spread ubuntu
[11:44] <blahdeblah> I gotta say my enthusiasm for promotion is waning a little at the moment.  The last time i tried i got pretty much stonewalled, and plus i work in schools mostly, so i'm a little fed up with all the iCrap that everyone seems to want.
[11:44] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork is where I have put up a few things in the past.
[11:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork is where I have put up a few things in the past. 
[11:45] <head_victim> But yeah, if MoLE_ is able to rejoin us I"m sure he can ask specific questions later, we've covered the basics I think
[11:45] <head_victim> blahdeblah: understandable with the library thing. Did you ever get a number of how many PCs need ubuntu for the flood relief?
[11:45] <blahdeblah> No, not yet
[11:45]  * blahdeblah goes to ask
[11:46] <blahdeblah> I've pinged him - we'll see if he comes back to me soon
[11:46] <head_victim> blahdeblah: no worries
[11:46] <head_victim> Ok so I guess that leaves the last topic (which is the first on the wiki)
[11:46] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Natty Narwhal Release Parties
[11:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Narwhal Release Parties 
[11:47] <head_victim> We need to start locking in places and times so we can put them on loco.u.c and start advertising them.
[11:47] <blahdeblah> did you get a date/time sorted for Brisvegas?
[11:47] <head_victim> I just wanted to let people know it can be as simple as 2 people catching up for a coffee or as extravagent as 100s of people at a conference centre.
[11:47] <head_victim> blahdeblah: only you and caryb said anything at all.
[11:48] <jaddi27> I won't be able to go to the Brisbane release party
[11:48] <jellyware> I have been off the mailing list for the last couple of weeks.  has anything been organised in melbourne yet?
[11:48] <head_victim> jaddi27: would moving it a week later make it work better for you?
[11:48] <head_victim> jellyware: not to my knowledge, shoot off to the list for some ideas.
[11:49] <head_victim> There has been talk of Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide, nothing concrete anywhere yet though
[11:49] <jaddi27> head_victim: Not really, due to Uni commitments
[11:49] <jellyware> when does 11.04 drop?
[11:49] <head_victim> jaddi27: Saturday work better?
[11:50] <sagaci> jellyware: 28th?
[11:50] <head_victim> jellyware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[11:50] <head_victim> sagaci: yep 28th
[11:50] <jaddi27> head_victim: I am not really sure yet. I will have to let you know closer to the time
[11:51] <head_victim> jaddi27: that's ok just seeing if it was a day of the week thing
[11:51] <head_victim> (you might have had lectures on a Friday evening or something)
[11:51] <jellyware> do we have a wiki page for local realease parties?
[11:51] <blahdeblah> jellyware++
[11:51] <jaddi27> Yes, I  understand. We have a group project to do, and not much time to get it done
[11:51] <jaddi27> so a lot of time around then will be spent working on it
[11:52] <head_victim> jaddi27: just making sure, I understand uni is like that
[11:52] <jaddi27> Yes
[11:52] <head_victim> jellyware: we did have one at one stage for the last lot of parties I'mt rying to find it
[11:53] <jellyware> head_victim: I think I remember that too
[11:54] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/MeerkatReleaseParties
[11:54] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/MeerkatReleaseParties
[11:54] <head_victim> awww beat me
[11:54] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/NattyReleaseParties I have just copied the previous one so we have a place
[11:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/NattyReleaseParties I have just copied the previous one so we have a place 
[11:54] <jellyware> can we start one for natty?  I dont have a lot of time atm
[11:55] <jellyware> head_victim: you rock
[11:55] <head_victim> jellyware: done :) Just need to change it from the old info
[11:55] <head_victim> Wiki is my thing :)
[11:55] <jellyware> I'm thinking a cafe in melbourne might be the go
[11:55] <jellyware> rather than a bar
[11:55] <head_victim> blahdeblah, jaddi27 and other Brisbanites - I will put a Friday and Saturday to the list and vote for a week and go based on that.
[11:56] <head_victim> jellyware: we're going to the pancake manor here if no one else suggests anything better
[11:56] <jaddi27> ok, that sounds like the best way
[11:57] <head_victim> I would also HIGHLY recommend trying to coordinate with your local LUG, I will be asking permission to spam the HUMBUG list when we've set a date and time.
[11:57] <blahdeblah> yeah - Humbug definitely seem keen to work together, which is good
[11:57] <head_victim> jaddi27: if you know anywhere better than the pancake manor let us know as well
[11:57] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah I had a good chat when I went there to drop off the CDs for the uni students
[11:58] <head_victim> I don't think we have a large enough contingent here to lock in dates and places but maybe jellyware if you set up a Melbourne one, dns53 if you start reviving the Adelaide thread on the list and us Brisbane folk get organise we might have a few to choose from this release
[11:59] <jaddi27> head_victim: did you give Ubuntu CDs to HUMBUG for Uni open days? If so, I got one from UQ, so it seems to have worked
[11:59] <dns53> head_victim will do, anyone else in adelaide ?
[11:59] <head_victim> jaddi27: they were leftovers from LCA so glad to know it went where it was useful :)
[12:00] <head_victim> You'll have to let me know after the meeting how you came about getting it so I can see if they had a good presentation or not :)
[12:00] <head_victim> I do still have a small number of 10.10 CDs here for anyone wanting to use them
[12:00] <jaddi27> ok
[12:00] <sagaci> sydney release party?
[12:01] <head_victim> sagaci: there was talk, feel free to revive the thread on the mailing list
[12:01] <head_victim> Or start a new one :)
[12:01] <head_victim> Basically if no one appears to be showing much leadership with this stuff just get in, make a decision and advertise it. People will turn up
[12:02] <head_victim> Like I said you can do as much or as little preparation for it as you like so it can be nice and casual and easy if you want
[12:02] <head_victim> Please make sure someone takes pictures though 
[12:03] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Clinton Roy suggested to me that we check out the Edge at the State Library as a meeting venue.  Apparently they "get" Free Software.
[12:03] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah, I'm not sure how their flood relief is going and they also close at 6pm so would need to be a saturday afternoon
[12:04] <blahdeblah> fair enough
[12:04] <head_victim> Cool so we can move the release parties to the mailing list I guess, would be nice to have it finalised locations this time next week
[12:05] <head_victim> Anyone have any other topics or questions to raise (we're just hitting the hour now)
[12:05] <blahdeblah> Only the flood victim computers deal, but still waiting on info
[12:06] <head_victim> blahdeblah: that's cool, we could call it an installfest and put it on loco.u.c as well :)
[12:06] <blahdeblah> How many people would actually be ready to help out with an installfest for Qld flood victims?
[12:06] <head_victim> I think the more we use that the easier reapproval will be. I think in general we do enough for reapproval but we just aren't great at documenting it
[12:07] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I would definitely be up for it as long as I wasn't on shift. I'm sure caryb would be interested.
[12:07] <head_victim> Others would come along for tea and coffee and snacks :)
[12:08]  * head_victim has just offered tea and coffee and snacks it would seem
[12:09] <jellyware> thanks head_victim
[12:09] <head_victim> sagaci, jaddi27, dns53, jellyware, others, can I call it a meeting and close it?
[12:10] <blahdeblah> go for it
[12:10] <jaddi27> yes, that is fine
[12:10] <dns53> i'm fine
[12:10] <head_victim> #endmeeting
[12:10] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:10.
[12:10] <head_victim> An hour 10, not too bad at all.
[12:11] <head_victim> I will make sure that all the usual details of the meeting are available on the wiki and posted to the list in the next 24 hours.
[12:11] <jellyware> nice job head_victim
[12:11] <head_victim> I think if we continue to use the wiki for the logs it will provide continuity and we'll try moving to loco.u.c for the timing and agenda
[12:11] <jellyware> I still have a few 10.10 cds if anyone wants one posted to them
[12:11] <head_victim> jellyware: thanks make, appreciated.
[12:12] <head_victim> mate*
[12:12] <blahdeblah> I still have a few, too.
[12:13] <head_victim> I think we did pretty well at using as many as possible before this new release
[12:14] <jaddi27> head_victim: I got the Ubuntu CD from the UQ Market Day, which is the day for students to sign on to all of the clubs
[12:14] <head_victim> jaddi27: ah ok, apparently Clinton was going to do a presentation to the first years as well in one of their welcome lectures
[12:15] <jaddi27> The UQ Computing Society had a pile of them, and were giving them out. There were very few Ubuntu Cds left, but two large piles of Fedora
[12:15] <jaddi27> so I think Ubuntu was a lot more popular
[12:15] <head_victim> Hah that doesn't surprise me :)
[12:16] <jaddi27> One person did come to the lecture, but I am not entirely sure of his name. There still hasn't been any meetings, so I haven't got to know any of them yet
[12:16] <head_victim> Ah ok, well I'm hoping I'll be allowed to spam the HUMBUG list for the release party info
[12:17] <jaddi27> Hopefully they will let you - I am sure a number would be interested
[12:17] <head_victim> Yeah, they're a friendly bunch, I went to a meeting to drop off the CDs
[12:18] <jaddi27> Where do they actually meet? I haven't been to a meeting, but have heard about them quite a bit
[12:18] <head_victim> Like blahdeblah said, they're really keen on working together.
[12:18] <blahdeblah> News about flood computers just coming to hand...
[12:19]  * head_victim waits anxiously
[12:22] <head_victim> Oh and blahdeblah I still have that local mirror on the USB drive if it could be useful
[12:23] <blahdeblah> OK, deal is that they were able to image the machines quickly and easily. (Duh.) So no help needed there.
[12:24] <blahdeblah> Looks like it's mostly just support after-the-fact that they will need
[12:24] <head_victim> Ahh, so a stack of business cards and maybe some pressed CDs?
[12:26] <blahdeblah> Where are we at with UbuntuForums.org?  Are there folks looking after the AU channel there?
[12:26] <head_victim> It exists :) And phlosten and ikt are moderators
[12:27] <head_victim> It's not hugely popular right now but it's still new
[12:27] <head_victim> au.ubuntuforums.org
[12:27] <head_victim> I can see I'm going to have to get more business cards made up to include this information
[12:28] <head_victim> Or is the fact that it's linked on the ubuntu.com.au site enough?
[12:28] <bradm> jaddi27: HUMBUG meet at UQ
[12:29] <blahdeblah> I think linked on the web site should be enough
[12:29] <jaddi27> yes, that should be enough
[12:29] <jaddi27> bradm: I thought they might. I might try to come along some time 
[12:29] <head_victim> Ok, I'm down to about 500 cards though so might think about adding it for the next run
[12:30] <bradm> jaddi27: it can be a bit daunting, every meeting is like an installfest, so there's limited structure to it
[12:30] <blahdeblah> I think perhaps getting the web site up to date and getting the welcome message fleshed out a bit would be the first place to start
[12:31] <head_victim> bradm: yeah it didn't seem very structured to me when I was there. I was glad I was going to meet someone specific
[12:31] <head_victim> blahdeblah: fair call
[12:31] <head_victim> We need to write an article for the site about the new forums though
[12:31] <bradm> head_victim: it's a very unique LUG
[12:31] <head_victim> bradm: I don't have anything to compare it to
[12:31] <blahdeblah> Those nav links need a lot of work
[12:32] <bradm> head_victim: I'm not sure there is anything to compare it to :)
[12:32] <blahdeblah> I'm gonna have a hack at the welcome page
[12:32] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: yes, the links do need a bit of a change
[12:32] <bradm> head_victim: installfest is the closest I've come up with
[12:33] <head_victim> blahdeblah: cool, I have no idea what I'm doing so I can edit stuff that's there but as far as layout I"m stumped
[12:33] <head_victim> bradm: yeah, I'd heard a lot of online stuff saying they were a bit hard to "get into"
[12:34] <blahdeblah> jaddi27, head_victim: There are just too many links, and they aren't very newbie-friendly if you ask me
[12:34] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah I'd be dropping google groups and the IRC and Mailing List.
[12:34] <jaddi27> Maybe we could take inspiration from the header on the wiki
[12:34] <bradm> head_victim: yeah, I'd probably agree with that.
[12:34] <head_victim> Leave it at Home, Planet, Forum, Wiki, Order CDs and Contact perhaps?
[12:35]  * blahdeblah hacks at the links
[12:35] <head_victim> The wiki header has all the details, Can you put alt text on them so people know to look at the wiki for that info?
[12:35] <blahdeblah> Alt text on what?
[12:35] <head_victim> bradm: I can't say I'd go back unless I had someone I was meeting. I don't think I could just "rock up"
[12:35] <head_victim> The buttons
[12:36] <jaddi27> You could add alt-text, but I don't think it would be too useful in this case
[12:36] <head_victim> Again, I have no idea what is possible within the current confines of the drupal install.
[12:36] <head_victim> I"m also worried if we work on it too much when the new theme comes in we'll need to redo it all
[12:36] <head_victim> But if you're in the mood I say go for it now
[12:37] <blahdeblah> How's that look?
[12:37] <jaddi27> I don't think we should have to change too much with the new theme
[12:37] <blahdeblah> I don't think there's a way to add alt-text
[12:37] <head_victim> blahdeblah: nice
[12:37] <bradm> head_victim: I can understand that
[12:37] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: links look good
[12:37] <bradm> head_victim: its been a few years since I've been, I'm sure its changed a bit
[12:37] <head_victim> I was hoping to lead a Ubuntu expedition to HUMBUG one week and maybe even present there
[12:38] <head_victim> But I'm really hoping like crazy I'll be in a 9-5 monday to friday job soonish so that will make it much easier
[12:38] <bradm> head_victim: going for a talk / giving a talk is a good way to get into it
[12:38] <bradm> head_victim: usually there's a dinner run and lots of chatting
[12:38] <head_victim> They don't seem to hold presentations much anymore according to their website
[12:38] <head_victim> But yeah, they go for dinner and then come back, etc.
[12:38] <head_victim> I was only there an hour
[12:39] <blahdeblah> I personally think forum could be dispensed with as well and be moved to the contact page
[12:39] <bradm> its scaled back a bit since I was there, some times I was there until the sun rose :)
[12:39] <bradm> that was when I was at uni though
[12:40] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I have a grand plan for the contact us wiki page, I want it to be the definitive list of who does what within the loco not just the team contact and website admin. I want to add IRC operators, forum moderators, chairpersons, etc
[12:40] <head_victim> bradm: I wondered how long it actually went for
[12:40] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Just keep the front contact page nice & simple, though
[12:40] <jaddi27> head_victim: That contact page sounds good. It should be easy to implement
[12:40] <bradm> head_victim: nominally 3pm till midnight, not sure how its changed since I've been
[12:41] <head_victim> bradm: yeah that's what it still states
[12:41] <head_victim> blahdeblah & jaddi27 team contact details on the front page and a list of links to another page to keep it short?
[12:42] <blahdeblah> head_victim: The big ticket item for me is: get people in contact with someone with a clue - quickly.
[12:42] <jaddi27> There are no contact details on the front page at the moment, are there?
[12:43] <head_victim> jaddi27: nah it's just a contact us link at the top
[12:43] <blahdeblah> http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/11 
[12:43] <blahdeblah> Feedback please
[12:43] <jaddi27> So you would add a block down the side with basic contact details, or a sticky at the top of the front page?
[12:44] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: Are we talking web site or wiki?
[12:44] <head_victim> blahdeblah: that looks pretty goo
[12:45] <blahdeblah> I think we could get rid of the list of people on the front contact page of the wiki and leave that further down in the details.
[12:45] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: I just realised I had read it the wrong way. I though head_victim was referring to the website, but now realise he meant the wiki
[12:45] <jaddi27> Sorry about that
[12:45] <head_victim> jaddi27: we're sort of mingling them a bit
[12:45] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah I was thinking of it differently as well but your idea seems to fit better
[12:45] <blahdeblah> There's a lot of duplicated information between https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/ContactUs and http://www.ubuntu.org.au/
[12:46] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: I am happy with that Welcome message
[12:47] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: thx
[12:47] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: The only problem is that it is cut off on the front page. Should the teaser break be moved down?
[12:47] <head_victim> Yeah, I say once we fix up the linked wiki it should be good
[12:47] <blahdeblah> Don't think we can move it down
[12:47] <blahdeblah> we can move it up though
[12:47]  * blahdeblah tries
[12:47] <blahdeblah> I'm gonna get rid of the "who's new" block as well - it's just spammers
[12:48] <jaddi27> Yes, that is a good idea. Can we stop the spammers joining?
[12:48] <head_victim> Yeah I was wondering about that. Is it feasible to cleanse this list or is it too far gone?
[12:48] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: No
[12:48] <blahdeblah> head_victim: It's too far gone
[12:49] <head_victim> Also that Planet block is out of date. I think it's using the aggregator but that's not what the planet uses.
[12:49] <blahdeblah> I think i can sort that out.
[12:49] <jaddi27> What if we started over - get everyone to rejoin, and put good Captcha or OpenId on it
[12:50] <head_victim> jaddi27: if we get UbuntuDrupal we can get the openid module
[12:50] <head_victim> If it's not too intrusive
[12:50] <jaddi27> Yes, that is what I was thinking, as long as it works properly
[12:50] <blahdeblah> LOL
[12:50] <blahdeblah>  The feed from Planet Ubuntu-Au seems to be broken, because of error "-1 1".            
[12:51] <jaddi27> That sounds like a great error message
[12:51] <blahdeblah> Did it again and it works
[12:51] <blahdeblah> bradm: Do you know if there is any automated cron process for hosted Drupal sites?
[12:51] <blahdeblah> If not, i might get my server hitting it regularly
[12:53] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: Looks like we can move the break down - check out home page now
[12:53] <jaddi27> Yes, that is what I meant. Looks good
[12:53] <jaddi27> Where is the Planet Ubuntu-Au block? I don't seem to see anything
[12:55] <blahdeblah> Right hand side at the bottom
[12:56] <blahdeblah> That syndicate button is useless
[12:56] <jaddi27> I see the User menu, then Upcoming events, then Who's online, then Syndicate
[12:56] <jaddi27> that is all
[12:56] <jaddi27> The syndicate rss feed could be useful for some people
[12:57] <blahdeblah> Except that it's in the URL bar of every page.
[12:57] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: which page are you looking at at present?
[12:57] <jaddi27> That is true.
[12:58] <jaddi27> I am looking at the home page
[12:58] <jaddi27> Do you mean the Feeds list on the Planet page?
[12:58] <blahdeblah> exact URL, please
[12:58] <head_victim> With the new idea the "upcoming events" should be a link to the loco.u.c page as well
[12:58] <blahdeblah> At the moment http://ubuntu.com.au/ looks different to http://www.ubuntu.org.au/
[12:59] <blahdeblah> because i'm logged in at .org.au, but not at .com.au
[12:59]  * blahdeblah checks out the block permissions
[12:59] <jaddi27> I was on http://ubuntu.com.au
[13:00] <blahdeblah> Yeah - i get the same thing
[13:00] <blahdeblah> No planet feed
[13:00] <jaddi27> I now see what you mean though - I have a lot more menu items in the user menu on ubuntu.org.au than I do on ubuntu.com.au
[13:00] <blahdeblah> Think i found it
[13:01] <blahdeblah> Reload .com.au now
[13:01] <jaddi27> Yes both are the same now
[13:01] <blahdeblah> Anonymous users didn't have permissions to read news feeds
[13:03] <blahdeblah> In the absence of feedback from bradm, i've added ubuntu.org.au to the list of drupal sites for which my server does a cron run.
[13:03] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: Did you just change my website permissions, or did I always have the ability to add content?
[13:03] <head_victim> blahdeblah: to update the news feed?
[13:03] <blahdeblah> I just added it for you
[13:03] <blahdeblah> head_victim: year
[13:03] <jaddi27> Thanks for that
[13:03] <blahdeblah> np
[13:03] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I thought everyone could create content just needed to be published by an admin>?
[13:04] <blahdeblah> I couldn't be bothered going through every user and adding that permission
[13:04] <blahdeblah> And 99% of the users are spammers
[13:04] <head_victim> Ah I thought that's how it was auto configured
[13:04] <blahdeblah> So i only enable those whom i know are legit
[13:05] <head_victim> Fair call. I'm still learning this drupal stuff :)
[13:05] <blahdeblah> But yes, basically the idea was that everyone who was a team member could add content, and then the admins could publish
[13:05] <blahdeblah> That's what we did for planigale's post on the front page recently
[13:05] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: Where on the website is the Planet block that head_victim was referring to earlier?
[13:06] <head_victim> Ok, I didn't see any of that happen actually.
[13:06] <head_victim> I think I need to set up notifications better
[13:06] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: Bottom left navigation
[13:06] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: bottom right i mean
[13:06] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I don't think notifications are set up at all
[13:07] <head_victim> Ah ok, I just had no idea when the new post went up. Mind you I'm still yet to learn about rss as well
[13:07]  * blahdeblah loves his RSS
[13:07] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: What exactly should I be seeing? I am slightly confused as to if I am missing something or not
[13:07] <head_victim> So did you have to adjust planigale's account for them to post?
[13:07] <bradm> head_victim: I'm sure we could sort something out about it
[13:08] <blahdeblah> head_victim, jaddi27: hang tight and i'll get you some screenshots
[13:08] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: Thanks
[13:11] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: http://gear.dyndns.org/~paulgear/images/ubuntu-blocks.png front page 
[13:11] <blahdeblah> head_victim: my account details
[13:11] <blahdeblah> http://gear.dyndns.org/~paulgear/images/ubuntu-user.png
[13:11] <blahdeblah> Normally, we just add blogger and page creators
[13:11]  * blahdeblah goes to fix up the plural mismatch
[13:11] <head_victim> Ah but how did you know to add it for planigale was my obscured question :)
[13:12] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Because she asked me to. ;-)
[13:12] <blahdeblah> It's not rocket science, bro. ;-)
[13:12] <head_victim> Ah fair enough then. I was wondering if I was missing some weird drupal foo
[13:13] <blahdeblah> nah
[13:13] <blahdeblah> Although i'm sure we can do better on the notification side of things
[13:13] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: Based upon what I can see, you might need to adjust the permissions on the Planet block. I cannot see it at all
[13:13] <head_victim> I just signed up for all notifications
[13:14] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: I do see it if I am not logged in though
[13:14] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: I think i know what's wrong - hang on
[13:14] <blahdeblah> refresh now
[13:15] <blahdeblah> I forgot to add feed access for authenticated users as well...
[13:15] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: Both work now. I thought it might be something like that
[13:15] <blahdeblah> cool
[13:16] <head_victim> bradm: I missed that in a haze of red highlighting - what are we sorting out
[13:17] <bradm> head_victim: cron process for hosted drupal sites
[13:17] <blahdeblah> bradm: It's in my cron.hourly now, so no biggie if you can't
[13:17] <bradm> head_victim: I'm sure there's some way, I'm just not sure of specifics right now
[13:18] <head_victim> Ohh that was blahdeblah :) 
[13:18] <head_victim> :D
[13:18] <blahdeblah> yep
[13:19] <head_victim> blahdeblah: maybe we should add a little note about creating content in the welcome note?
[13:20] <blahdeblah> BTW, folks, if you notice any spam in comments on the site, please let me know.  I disabled viewing of comments by anonymous users, so most people will not see them.  But as you poke around you might find ones that i haven't cleaned up yet.
[13:20] <bradm> oh, it was too :)
[13:20] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Too much info for newbies, if you ask me.  Can't we find somewhere on the wiki for that?
[13:20] <head_victim> blahdeblah: sounds good
[13:21] <head_victim> bradm: it's ok, we're all friends here. Just remember, if someone is talking technically it's a good chance it's not me :)
[13:21] <bradm> head_victim: hehe, fair enough.  I was only skimming, there was a bunch of text
[13:21] <head_victim> I'm your typical "end user" :D
[13:22] <bradm> blahdeblah: if its something you want done, best to submit a request to RT
[13:22] <blahdeblah> OK
[13:22] <blahdeblah> I would have thought it a standard part of every drupal install...
[13:23] <blahdeblah> bradm: Another Q: can you recall where the option is to control whether post author information is displayed?
[13:23] <bradm> I don't even know what you're talking about other than cron jobs :)
[13:24] <bradm> blahdeblah: not offhand, would have to have a look
[13:24] <blahdeblah> I know it's in there somewhere...
[13:26] <jaddi27> Is it in the template?
[13:26] <blahdeblah> what template?
[13:26] <blahdeblah> you mean themes?
[13:26] <blahdeblah> Might be
[13:26]  * blahdeblah checks
[13:27] <jaddi27> Sorry, yes, I meant themes
[13:27] <head_victim> On a side note, I just added the flickr group to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au 
[13:27] <blahdeblah> jaddi27 wins!
[13:27] <blahdeblah> http://www.ubuntu.org.au/admin/build/themes/settings
[13:28] <jaddi27> I can't see that page, but that is where I remember seeing it on my other websites
[13:28] <blahdeblah> yep
[13:28] <blahdeblah> I've just turned off the post information for "page" type, which means that the welcome page loses the notice that it was first submitted 4 years ago.
[13:29] <blahdeblah> I just reckon it looks a bit daggy when the page could have been updated 100 times, but it keeps the original post info.
[13:29] <jaddi27> Yes, that is a better look
[13:29] <blahdeblah> And it's only really relevant with news stories and blog posts anyway
[13:29] <jaddi27> You can change the date I thought
[13:29] <jaddi27> You can at least in Drupal 7 - I have spent most of my time using that
[13:30] <blahdeblah> You can if you bother to edit it.
[13:30] <blahdeblah> But i think we're better off just leaving it out for static pages.
[13:31] <jaddi27> Yes. That is the default setting in Drupal 7
[13:31] <blahdeblah> I've spent most of my time on Drupal 4.7 ;-)
[13:32] <head_victim> Well I have to bail. I need to be awake again at 4am for work. 
[13:32] <head_victim> Thanks heaps blahdeblah jaddi27 and bradm for having a bit of a cleanup
[13:32] <blahdeblah> no worries
[13:32] <jaddi27> that is alright
[13:32] <head_victim> I will post some emails to the list over the next couple of days as per the meeting info
[13:32] <blahdeblah> head_victim: can i leave you to sort out the contact page?  I think that is the main page which needs to be newbie-friendly.
[13:33] <head_victim> blahdeblah: definitely.
[13:33] <blahdeblah> groovy
[13:33] <head_victim> I'll ping you on here when I've had a crack. Should be in the next couple of days
[13:33] <blahdeblah> I'm off to bed - night folks.
[13:33]  * blahdeblah out
[13:33] <jaddi27> bye
[14:28] <head_victim> valorin: thanks for the tip on your planet icon
[14:28] <valorin> No worries :)
[14:29] <head_victim> bradm: Stephen Rees-Carter's image is broken because it's missing the .jpg off the end of the file from what we can work out. And I'm not sure if bwright's needs to be resized on his end our the planet's side.
[14:29] <head_victim> valorin: glad you spotted that :)
[14:30] <valorin> head_victim, I spend my days doing web development, missing image extensions is the first thing I check when an image is broken
[14:30] <valorin> :)
[14:31] <head_victim> valorin: ah I spend my days in a concrete box pretending to be interested in managing the people around me :) In my spare time I'm looking for a job I can actually be interested in
[14:32] <valorin> head_victim, that doesn't sound like much fun at all...
[14:33] <head_victim> It wasn't so bad until all the decent higher up managers left and we got shafted with the people who think a 2 hour conversation about their weekend is a productive meeting
[14:33] <head_victim> On that note I have to be awake in a few hours so I might call it a night. I'll send some mail to the list tomorrow 
[14:34] <valorin> heh, sounds like a good idea.. sleep I mean. I need to get there soon too