[00:57] <ScottL> is there an official notice or post that ubuntu is moving away from gnome-panels?
[00:57] <jcastro> not really
[00:57] <jcastro> it's just kind of unmaintained upstream from now on
[00:58] <jcastro> but I'm sure there'll be some critical fixes as plenty of people are shipping -panel
[00:59] <ScottL> jcastro, who is shipping -panel?  ubuntu studio is now evaulating gnome3, unity, xfce, etc to find a sustainable DE
[00:59] <jcastro> all the old distros
[00:59] <jcastro> so like, if you find a huge crasher today someone still has to maintain it in like LTS
[01:01] <jcastro> ScottL: but it's old and stable
[01:01] <jcastro> so like, it's not a bad choice necessarily
[01:01] <ScottL> true, but after a cycle or two it probably will start suffering from bit rot, no?
[01:01] <ScottL> as libs get updated, etc
[01:02] <ScottL> jcastro, speaking of gnome3, is there a good way to test a relatively current gnome3 with natty?
[01:02] <jcastro> not currently
[01:03] <jcastro> not without a PPA
[01:03] <ScottL> i've been using maverick with gnome3 but i think the gnome3 installed might be missing some of the latest features and don't want to base my judgement on that
[01:03] <jcastro> and even then it upgrades like major chunks of your stack
[01:03] <ScottL> ppa is okay
[01:03] <ScottL> we just need to accurately evaluate how gnome3 will evaluate studio work flow
[01:04] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[01:04] <jcastro> yeah just make sure you backup and stuff
[01:04] <jcastro> it's still a work in progress
[01:04] <jcastro> (the PPA)
[01:05] <ScottL> everyone who is testing gnome3, unity, xfce, et al has been doing it on test machine so we're not too worried about data at this point, but thanks for the warning :)
[01:05]  * jcastro nods
[01:05] <jcastro> lmk how it works out
[01:06] <ScottL> will do, thanks for the info
[01:10] <ScottL> jcastro, i meant to tell you that if i ever make it to a UDS i'll play some metallica with you and jono :)
[01:10] <jcastro> that would be awesome
[01:10] <jono> ScottL, nice!
[01:11]  * ScottL is still trying to get jono to throw down wicked metal drumming on his song his still finishing ;)
[01:13] <jcastro> ScottL: click track. :)
[01:13] <jono> ScottL, :-)
[01:19] <ScottL> i've already got a rudimentary pattern from hydrogen but wanted something with some fills, akin to what jono did on his albums
[01:20] <ScottL> but i understand if you are not interesting jono, you got a lot of things going on, i won't bug you again about it :)
[01:29] <popey> jcastro: you know that screencast you did where it was flickering madly, you mentioned it might be the nvidia driver.. who suggested that? any likely fix?
[01:42] <ScottL> oh...jono, i am enjoying you LXF article on project management, i am hoping it will help me with ubuntu studio
[01:46] <jono> thanks ScottL :-)
[08:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:26] <popey> lo
[08:28] <nigelb> hrm, I wonder why the travel agent isn't mailing me back :(
[08:28] <nigelb> hey popey
[08:28] <nigelb> popey: will you be at UDS?
[08:37] <popey> nigelb: nope
[08:37] <nigelb> :(
[08:37] <popey> sadly not sponsored this time
[08:38] <popey> lots of cool people going though :D
[08:38] <popey> and if etherpad is used I'll actually be able to contribute a bit better remotely
[08:38] <popey> I found gobby remotely was _insanely_ annoying
[08:39] <popey> (I had to do all kinds of port forwarding to even make it work because I am behind a nasty proxy server)
[08:39] <popey> and even then it disconnected me, and lagged badly
[08:39] <nigelb> I didn't mind gobby the time I did remote
[08:39] <nigelb> ahh, proxy
[08:39] <popey> yeah, if I wasnt proxied it would probably be okay
[08:39] <nigelb> I'm still in a visa mess, sigh
[08:39] <popey> what also frustrated me was that people wouldn't speak up
[08:39] <popey> and if we pinged the room irc channel to speak up they would ignore it
[08:39] <popey> they would actually read it, and then go "meh" and not speak up
[08:40] <popey> which is somewhat disrespectful
[08:40] <nigelb> I had people speaking up
[08:40] <popey> yeah, some did, sometimes
[08:41] <popey> but the combination of a) not being able to hear people, and b) not being able to see the document they were typing made remote participation pretty impossible
[08:42] <nigelb> oh, I was using ear buds
[08:42] <jussi> Good morning all
[08:42] <popey> so was I
[08:42] <popey> noise cancelling ones
[08:42] <nigelb> plus the incease volume beynod max helped me
[08:42] <nigelb> popey: which UDS?
[08:42] <popey> N
[08:42] <nigelb> I suspect you were in person at the UDS I participated remotely
[08:42] <nigelb> ah
[08:43] <nigelb> I remember asking sladen to speak up and he did (community roundtable)
[08:43] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <nigelb> hi dholbach
[08:43] <popey> these were not community rooms
[08:43] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:43] <popey> the community track seem good at speaking up
[08:43] <popey> others less so
[08:43] <nigelb> popey: aha, blame them then :P
[08:43] <popey> thats just my experience
[08:43] <nigelb> I only did community last time :P
[08:44] <popey> i think the last UDS I went to was Texas
[08:44]  * nigelb <3 community track
[08:44] <nigelb> popey: No, Belgium
[08:44] <popey> oh, yes
[08:44] <nigelb> popey: You were drunk and doing podcasts :p
[08:44] <popey> haha
[08:44] <jussi> oh dear
[08:44] <popey> they went well :)
[08:44] <nigelb> I think you did an interview where you pronounced someone's name thrice wrongly
[08:44] <jussi> Why didnt I know about those...
[08:44] <popey> Seif Lotfy
[08:44] <nigelb> exactly!
[08:44] <popey> no, _he_ pronounced his own name wrong
[08:44] <nigelb> aha
[08:45] <nigelb> I remember the name thing
[08:45] <popey> it was very funny :)
[08:45] <popey> we have some funny outtakes from that UDS
[08:45] <popey> some of which are very non-code of conduct compliant
[08:45] <popey> so will never see the light of day
[08:45] <nigelb> someday I'll visit you and bribe you to listen to them
[08:45] <popey> haha
[08:45] <nigelb> just once
[08:45] <nigelb> you can call MIB and flash my memory of the last 24 hours after that :P
[08:45] <popey> :)
[08:46] <jussi> hrm, what is that pulse audio tool again? my skype doesnt hear me :/
[08:47] <popey> pavucontrol
[08:47] <nigelb> jussi: I had fun call with dholbach once.  He kept hearing the out from my speakers but not my mic :P
[08:47] <jussi> hah!
[08:48] <nigelb> so basically, he kept hearing himself :P
[08:52] <kim0> Good Morning
[08:53] <nigelb> hey dpm, kim0
[08:53] <nigelb> dpm: Day 1 sessions were rocking. I read it again today morning :)
[08:53] <dpm> hey nigelb, cool ;-) - I'm just linking the logs
[08:55] <kim0> awesome :)
[08:55] <nigelb> \o/
[08:59] <dpm> there you go, logs should now be available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[08:59]  * nigelb hugs dpm 
[08:59] <nigelb> dpm: any news on the nicknames?
[08:59] <dpm> nigelb, not yet, but I'm going to write to them now
[09:00] <nigelb> awesome
[09:02] <nigelb> AlanBell: that is like 2.5 domain names :O
[09:17] <nigelb> spanish mail ftw :D
[09:41] <dpm> ;)
[11:33] <akgraner> hi folks - on the classic desktop there is that gui that makes it easy for non-command line folks like me to connect to servers...where is that handy dandy little thing in Unity or what the heck is it called?
[11:34]  * akgraner really needs to learn more command line stuff...then she wouldn't freak when she doesn't  have or can't remember the name of those cute little gui features
[11:37] <JanC> akgraner: do you mean the "connect to server" thing in the Places menu? (or Locations or whatever it's called in English again)
[11:38] <JanC> akgraner: that's also available in the File menu of Nautilus
[11:39] <akgraner> JanC yep that's it....
[11:40] <akgraner> JanC in Unity I type "connect to server" in the dash (I think that is what it is called) and I get nothing :-(
[11:41] <JanC> I don't think it's a separate program, but a part of nautilus
[11:41] <akgraner> popey - you know people would pay for access to the outtakes....:-P
[11:41] <JanC> but I might be wrong about that  ☺
[11:41] <popey> :) akgraner
[11:41] <akgraner> JanC no worries...:-)
[11:43] <JanC> akgraner: personally I just type URIs in nautilus to make it connect to servers
[11:44] <akgraner> Guess I was looking for my easy fix....
[11:45] <JanC> Ctrl+L, then type something like smb://nas.local/share or sftp://host.example.com/path/to/what/I/need
[11:47] <JanC> hm, I wonder how the panel got that dialog to pop up, there must be some way to do it with a commandline parameter or such...
[11:48] <akgraner> hehe I just typed Ctrl+L while in this channel and it cleared the screen of all previous conversation
[11:49] <akgraner> wow
[12:04] <JanC> akgraner: the tool that pops up that dialog is 'nautilus-connect-server'
[12:04] <JanC> in case you want to make launcher item for it  ☺
[12:05] <JanC> and yay for open source
[12:05] <akgraner> JanC thanks!
[12:06] <JanC> maybe it should be added to the right-click menu of the default nautilus launcher item...
[12:07] <akgraner> clearly I don't know my nautilus from a hole in the ground...I still can't find that in unity
[12:07] <akgraner> one sec
[12:09] <akgraner> I type nautilus I get nothing
[12:09] <JanC> where do you type that?
[12:09] <JanC> Alt+F2, then start to type 'nautilus-connect-server'
[12:10] <akgraner> in the dash
[12:10]  * akgraner thinks finding some stuff in Unity will not be so easy for me...:-(
[12:12] <JanC> well, this tool is supposed to be accessible from other places, not to be used on itself, which is probably why it's not in the normal search set
[12:12] <JanC> (technically: it has no *.desktop file)
[12:12] <akgraner> ok I have it now
[12:13] <akgraner> Alt+F2 brings up the "run a command" in the dash then when I started typing nautilus I see the connect server option
[12:13] <JanC> yes, Alt+F2 searches the $PATH for executable files I suppose
[12:14] <akgraner> then I selected it and bam there was my gui I was searching for...but that wasn't so easy to find
[12:14] <JanC> while the other dashes search in some sort of metadata database
[12:16] <akgraner> but I wonder it I am just a strange hydrid of geek and non-technical person...not sure how many non-developer end users would be looking to connect to various servers to transfer stuff
[12:17] <akgraner> my husband told me last night, "learn to use the command line already" we I asked him to fix an issue with the bip server
[12:22] <JanC> a normal user shouldn't have to learn the commandline, but for many more low-level things it *is* easier/quicker (even on Windows)
[12:23] <akgraner> JanC, once again proving I am so abnormal ;-p
[12:23] <JanC> I should have used "normal"
[12:23] <akgraner> (just teasing you)
[12:23] <JanC> I know  ☺
[12:24] <akgraner> :-)
[12:24] <akgraner> but now I have something interesting to blog about
[12:25] <akgraner> my search for "connect-to-server" :-D yay!
[12:26] <JanC> akgraner: I think it should be easy for the desktop team to make it easier to find (just adding or changing a *.desktop file should be enough)
[12:27] <JanC> there is almost no risk with that, except maybe it won't get translated in time for the release
[12:27] <nigelb> hrm, randa has been on IRC lesser lately?
[12:31] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:18] <akgraner> duanedesign, morning!
[13:28] <mhall119> morning
[13:32] <akgraner> mhall119, morning...
[13:43] <akgraner> hey JFo work this into a remix :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcotlkxMsE8
[13:49] <nigelb> hello mhall119
[13:49] <nigelb> mhall119: do we have any uds-critical summit things that needed done?
[13:50] <nigelb> arg, wrong channel :|
[14:33] <mhall119> nigelb: I'd still like to get that combined webchat, audio feed link and upcoming sessions page done, cjohnston started on that during our summit jam but didn't get to finish it
[15:21] <jcastro> akgraner: yo yo
[15:25] <duanedesign> jcastro: interesting whale blog post. Looked like that was pretty cool.
[15:25] <jcastro> it was!
[15:27] <duanedesign> jcastro: ohh, also i lliked the screencasts you did about unity and dash. I have noticed that people who are on the fence about unity once you show them some of the 'tricks and tips' they get won over
[15:27] <jcastro> yeah
[15:28] <jcastro> I just learned this one
[15:28] <jcastro> hit alt-f2
[15:28] <jcastro> and then type ~Videos
[15:28] <jcastro> or some other foldername in ~
[15:49] <jcastro> duanedesign: wanna do an openweek session?
[15:51] <duanedesign> jcastro: yes I might just do that
[15:53] <duanedesign> jcastro: I can do my screencasting how-to. I have only done that one once and it has been awhile
[15:53] <jcastro> oh yeah
[15:53] <jcastro> that would be stellar
[15:54] <duanedesign> plus we really need to try and promote the screencasting team. So If i can do that session and that the end do a small plug for the team that would be awesome
[15:55] <jcastro> by all means
[15:55] <jcastro> I've done screencasts a bunch this cycle
[15:58] <duanedesign> i was wanting to add one of the unity screencasts you did to screencasts.ubuntu.com
[16:00] <jcastro> they're all CC, steal  away
[16:00] <jono> dpm, about set?
[16:00] <jcastro> they probably belong there instead of my personal blip space anyway
[16:01] <dpm> jono, yep
[16:02] <duanedesign> jcastro: cool. I was waiting a little while because it pops up on Planet when i post thenn on screencasts.ubuntu.com.
[16:02] <duanedesign> which reminds me i need to get the theme updated on that site
[16:05] <jono> dpm, brb, some technical issues
[16:05] <dpm> jono, no worries
[16:08] <dpm> hey everyone, do you know anyone who'd want to fill the gap at 19:00 UTC for today's UADW session? Jonathan Thomas has just told me he won't be able to make it -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[16:25] <jcastro> Daviey: can you deploy the autoslot bits soonish?
[16:25] <jcastro> Daviey: we would set a UDS record if we had the schedule filling up this week
[16:27] <Daviey> jcastro, Hopefully today.
[16:28] <jcastro> Daviey: ping me when you do, I'd like to test stuff
[16:28] <jcastro> or when it's deployed or whatever
[16:29] <Daviey> jcastro, I'd quite like to get mhall119 access btw.
[16:30] <dholbach> duanedesign, do you think we still get a development screencast done for natty?
[16:31] <dholbach> I finally got the audio and video mixed (the script didn't do it properly)
[16:31] <dholbach> I'll upload it later on
[16:31] <dholbach> the "intro to ubuntu development" one
[16:32] <duanedesign> dholbach: i think so. I have one other person willing to help with it.
[16:33] <dholbach> did they say which one they'd like to do?
[16:35] <duanedesign> dholbach: i will try and catch them on irc or email them and try and get some more specifics.
[16:35]  * dholbach hugs duanedesign
[16:35] <dholbach> thanks
[16:38] <duanedesign> dholbach: i am hoping my schedule will become more 'certain' soon. I am spending most my time now submitting resumes and writing cover letters. Hope it pays off soon and then I can spend more time on Ubuntu once I have income coming in :)
[16:38] <dholbach> I'll cross my fingers for you
[16:38] <duanedesign> thank you :)
[16:39] <duanedesign> dholbach: i really hated to miss UDS this time around. Hope it is the last one I have to miss.
[16:41] <akgraner> jcastro, yo
[16:41] <jcastro> akgraner: yo
[16:41] <akgraner> jcastro, yes :-)
[16:42] <jcastro> oh did I ping you earlier and forget what about?
[16:43] <akgraner> yes
[16:43] <akgraner> :-p
[16:43] <akgraner> no worries  just holler when you remember
[16:49] <nigelb> mhall119: I'll get to it
[16:49] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm jobless while watching app dev week :)
[16:52] <akgraner> JanC, so I just learned if you click on the home folder icon then on file in the global menu the connect to server option is there
[16:53] <akgraner> However I totally forget the hover my mouse on the panel to get that menu
[16:53] <akgraner> sorta out of sight out of mind kinda thing
[16:59] <JanC> I said it's in every nautilus window, but you probably misunderstood that
[17:00] <JanC> also, just clicking the desktop should give you that menu too
[17:01] <JanC> (but I didn't think about the desktop case, as I disable the nautilus-on-the-desktop-background feature)
[17:03] <jcastro> akgraner: oh I remember now
[17:03] <jcastro> akgraner: do I have an account on ubuntu-news?
[17:03] <jcastro> I am doing my final unity report today
[17:04] <jcastro> also, ubuntu-news is on planet right?
[17:05] <akgraner> jcastro, I thought you did but if you don't we can fix that
[17:06] <akgraner> yep it posts to the planet
[17:06] <akgraner> ubuntu the rss feedburner thing is broken but it will make it to the planet :-)
[17:07] <akgraner> grrrr enter key failure there - silly new keyboard
[17:07] <akgraner> popey, when you use record my desktop does it ever "lock-up" and not let you stop the recording
[17:07] <popey> I have not seen that
[17:08] <popey> btw I would use the keyboard shortcut to stop recording rather than the applet
[17:08] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[17:09] <popey> just looks nicer that's all :)
[17:09] <akgraner> nods
[17:10] <akgraner> I didn't even think of that
[17:10] <akgraner> thanks!
[17:10] <akgraner> jcastro, yep you have an account
[17:10] <akgraner> do you know your password?
[17:10] <akgraner> I can reset it if you want
[17:36] <akgraner> doctormo, you make me smile - :-D  http://doctormo.org/2011/04/11/quote-of-the-day/
[17:36] <doctormo> akgraner: It was up 20mins after you said it :-D
[17:39] <akgraner> hehe - I'm on some alternate time zone that puts me days not hours behind everyone else ...:-P
[17:47] <doctormo> akgraner: :-P indeed! I'm excited to be working on building a community center here. Are you still doing that magazine gig?
[17:48] <jcastro> jono: the fwd mail to me from Cezz doesn't have the logos attached, can you resend please?
[17:49]  * kim0 dances the RT dance for https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntucloud/status/57846045803159552 Please :)
[17:49] <jono> jcastro, will forward
[17:49] <jono> sent
[17:59] <jcastro> got it
[17:59] <jcastro> on it now
[17:59] <jcastro> also
[17:59] <jcastro> CHECK IT OUT: http://codereview.chromium.org/6812037
[17:59] <jcastro> BOO. YA.
[18:05] <akgraner> doctormo, yep...
[18:05] <akgraner> we now have four magazines :-)
[18:09] <doctormo> akgraner: If you guys need a piece on community centers with Ubuntu in them. Let me know.
[18:19] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:20] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[18:20] <dholbach> bye nigelb
[18:21] <maco> Technoviking: can you please rejoin -ops?
[18:55] <akgraner> doctormo, thanks!
[19:05] <Ronnie> kim0: some small addition to the wiki (the django model overview)
[19:10] <kim0> Ronnie: thanks .. will take a look
[19:44] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H--aVrxxkJQ
[19:44] <jcastro> Unity in 30 seconds!
[20:22] <popey> niice
[20:23] <paultag> nigelb: prod :)
[21:13] <hggdh> jcastro: yo -- on the quicklinks you published: it seems a shortcut group cannot start with an uppercase
[21:13] <hggdh> jcastro: is this a bug, or The Way Things Are?
[21:41] <jcastro> hggdh: hrmph
[21:41] <jcastro> hggdh: mine do
[21:41] <jcastro> hggdh: afaict the only limitation is it needs Shortcut Group in there
[21:50] <hggdh> heh
[21:50] <hggdh> jcastro: it is my karma, I think. I get a lot of weird errors :-)
[21:52] <hggdh> will test it a bit more later
[23:50] <mhall119> jcastro: any word on summit deployment?