[00:31] <kees> uuuhm, wtf?
[00:31] <kees> 23473 kees      20   0 4096m 3.5g 5988 S    2 45.6  53:09.40 compiz
[00:31] <kees> memory leak anyone? :P
[00:33] <RAOF> kees: Meep!
[00:33] <hallyn> maybe that explains what happens to my office laptop sometimes
[00:33] <Sarvatt__> kees: what GPU?
[00:33] <kees> Sarvatt__: intel
[00:33] <kees> bug 751409 I assume?
[00:33] <Sarvatt__> it must only happen with a unity session
[00:33] <kees> or 740258 or 721751 or 527016 or 455156 ?
[00:34] <RAOF> And, of course, not any unity sessions that the X maintainers run on *their* intel systems… :/
[00:34] <Sarvatt__> sarvatt   1911  0.5  0.7 133924 30920 ?        Sl   Apr06  37:33 compiz
[00:34] <kees> Sarvatt__: but see, I am unlucky. :)
[00:34] <kees> so, what's my best option for tracking this down?
[00:36] <kees> LoL. alt-tab is doing it.
[00:36]  * micahg_ is also having the runaway memory issue :)
[00:37] <Sarvatt__> ah hah i dont alt-tab much
[00:38] <hallyn> fasc i na ting
[01:32] <psusi> when upgrading releases, if xorg.conf is modfied during the upgrade, is there supposed to be a backup of the previous version saved?
[01:58] <kees> well, my leak seems to be all in compiz. I've opened bug 758248 with the valgrind logs
[02:59] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, was there anything particular in yelp 3.0.1 you were interested in?  It has some GtkApplication changes that will require a big patch to make work in GTK2.  I'm just thinking of cherry-picking some patches instead
[03:01] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: One change was a bug fix to make sure yelp used gsettings for everything, in particular the show-cursor gsettings value. The current 3.0.0 package uses ~/.config/yelp/yelp.cfg whereas I am lead to believe 3.0.1 properly uses gsettings.
[03:01] <TheMuso> i.e org.gnome.yelp show-cursor
[03:01] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok, that was one I was going to apply anyway
[03:01] <TheMuso> ok sweet.
[03:01] <TheMuso> Thats all I cared about. :)
[03:02] <TheMuso> s/cared/care/
[03:18] <micahg_> ooh, latest round of updates fixed compiz 100% core munching
[03:38] <TheMuso> Wow the gnome-terminal tab colour has changed. I almost thought something went wrong when I opened new tabs. :)
[06:02] <vish> pitti: OK, could you just comment that on the bug? (about transitional package or how it needs to be fixed)
[07:20] <robert_ancell> RAOF, Why am I not getting X segfaults?  And why are they not getting picked up by apport? http://paste.ubuntu.com/592987/
[07:20] <robert_ancell> I mean why am I getting ...
[07:21] <RAOF> The apport code is a bit fragile, as X normally eats its segfaults.
[07:22] <RAOF> I've seen that backtrace today already.
[07:22] <RAOF> And it *still* looks like something that was fixed before!
[07:27] <RAOF> robert_ancell: How often are you getting those?
[07:27] <Sarvatt_> RAOF: yeah thats bugging me too
[07:27] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Also, any obvious trigger?
[07:27] <Sarvatt_> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=server-1.10-branch&id=0801afbd7c2c644c672b37f8463f1a0cbadebd2e
[07:28] <RAOF> Sarvatt_: That's exactly the commit I was thinking of, but we've *got* that.
[07:28] <Sarvatt_> yeah its causing this new crash though it looks like
[07:31] <RAOF> Plausibly.
[07:31] <RAOF> A decent backtrace would be nice :(
[07:32]  * RAOF wonders what would happen if, instead of pussy-footing around X's SIGSEGV handler, we just got X to die nice and uncleanly.
[07:34] <Sarvatt_> I'd bet a beer he was resizing a window when it happened :)
[07:40] <didrocks> good morning
[07:47] <didrocks> RAOF: hey do you reproduce bug #740126 even with the latest unity?
[07:47] <TheMuso> I guess you could build a version of xorg with things dying uncleanly and ask users to install and reproduce when they get a crash...
[07:47] <RAOF> didrocks: No.  DBO has taken away my nice reproducer.
[07:47] <DBO> morning didrocks
[07:47] <RAOF> didrocks: It's still going to be a problem, though; that just took away one particular trigger.
[07:48] <didrocks> hey DBO
[07:49] <RAOF> didrocks: So I stand by my 11.04 milestoning, and will continue to investimagate.
[07:49] <didrocks> RAOF: DBO: ok, so targetting for next release?
[07:49] <didrocks> RAOF: see my comment btw
[07:49] <DBO> didrocks, unfortunately its going to be mostly in RAOF's hands
[07:49] <DBO> I just dont know where else to go now
[07:49] <didrocks> DBO: unfortunately for *him* :-)
[07:49] <DBO> no
[07:49] <DBO> for me
[07:49] <DBO> he at least can do something
[07:50] <DBO> maybe Im just sick and twisted
[07:50] <DBO> but I'd rather be in his shoes
[07:50] <didrocks> DBO: come on dude! :-)
[07:51] <RAOF> DBO: You can totally check out libxcb, libx11 and xorg-server to dig down!  You're quite welcome to :)
[07:51]  * RAOF goes out to pick up his wife from the rain.
[07:52] <DBO> RAOF, been there, done that, failed hard, will try again
[07:53] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[07:53] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[07:56]  * Sweetshark will be out for the next two hours or so (doctors appointment).
[08:18] <pitti> Good morning
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:37] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:37] <pitti> tired :)
[08:38] <pitti> if anyone feels like giving the current images a spin, please feel invited to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ :)
[08:41] <RAOF> pitti: Bah!  There goes the mono gluezilla upload.  Sorry for the delay.
[08:41] <pitti> RAOF: yay, thanks
[08:42] <RAOF> Mono takes a disturbing amount of time to actually build a source package.
[08:43] <RAOF> Like multiple minutes.
[08:48] <seb128> hey desktop-ers
[08:48] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:49] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: quite tired, but otherwise good; how about you?
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> i just saw your comment on the packaging branches thread
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> how do you think bzr would cope with a full source branch of firefox? ;)
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, I'm fine thanks, could do with some extra sleep as well though
[08:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> (especially seeing as mozilla-central is about 300MB)
[08:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "not"? ;-)
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> lol
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i'll be changing any time soon ;)
[08:51] <RAOF> bzr would *love* a full source branch of firefox!
[08:51] <chrisccoulson> i have enough problems with bzr already (like bug 752919)
[08:51] <RAOF> You, however, might not.
[08:54] <artnay> could someone take a look at #758508, thanks. I believe this happens with other applications as well.
[08:55] <pitti> RAOF: ah, so you didn't disable the entire libmono-webbrowser0.5-cil package then?
[08:55] <pitti> RAOF: does the package still actually do something useful without gluezilla?
[08:56] <RAOF> pitti: It satisfies AssemblyRefs and prints a warning, far as I can tell.
[08:56] <pitti> RAOF: in that case we can probably make it a suggests: instead, then you could install it from universe
[08:56] <pitti> I wasn't aware that it's just a recommends:
[08:57] <pitti> I had assumed it was a build dependency, but it's not indeed
[08:57] <RAOF> pitti: I thought the plan was to drop xulrunner *entirely* ?
[08:57] <pitti> just to universe
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, for natty
[08:57] <RAOF> Oh, then Suggests is a better idea.
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> perhaps we can be more aggressive next cycle though ;)
[08:57] <pitti> I thought that this dependency was a lot "deeper"
[08:57] <RAOF> Nah.
[08:58] <pitti> RAOF: ok, great; want to reupload with a suggests instead?
[08:58] <pitti> RAOF: (I'll reject the current upload, then you can reuse the same version)
[08:58] <RAOF> Ta.
[08:58] <pitti> thanks
[09:00] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:06] <TheMuso> Personally, I'd feel better if launchpad also dealt with git branches, but I'd have to add that myself if it was to be considered...
[09:12] <RAOF> mono source package still building...
[09:13] <pitti> feed the hamsters better!
[09:13] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: How long does a firefox source package take to generate?
[09:15] <nperry> Hello, some odd behaviour with gdm on gnome3 stack. http://pastebin.com/pn1pRSrH When I go to login, enter password it will just hang there for a while a do nothing, only thing I can see if error message is this...
[09:16] <nperry> Downgrading to 2.32.1 seems to fix it
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> RAOF - to generate? not that long, although we create the source tarball from mercurial, which takes a while
[09:16] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:17] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[09:17] <seb128> RAOF, hi, could you add https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/757906 to your list of bugs to watch for? it has some duplicates
[09:17] <seb128> RAOF, I've added some redhat and upstream bug references to it
[09:17] <RAOF> seb128: Certainly.  Thanks.
[09:17] <seb128> debian as well
[09:17] <seb128> RAOF, thanks
[09:18] <seb128> nperry, the GNOME3 ppa is sort of experimental so it might have issues
[09:18] <seb128> nperry, try emailing the team list with some details
[09:19] <nperry> seb128: Ok, I just wanted to let some one know!
[09:19] <seb128> nperry, ok thanks
[09:19] <rodrigo_> nperry, yes, mail the team list
[09:30] <cdbs> mvo: ping
[09:30] <cdbs> mvo: Any plans to add Unity Quicklist support to update-manager?
[09:31]  * cdbs has a branch with just that implemented
[09:36] <mvo> cdbs: not yet, I have a look, but its past UI freeze so it will probably not make it for natty (unless I get a exception)
[09:36] <cdbs> mvo: hmm, yeah
[09:36] <cdbs> mvo: well, I could do the UIFe part; I got an exception for Firefox as well (and its now in Natty)
[09:38] <seb128> bah
[09:38] <seb128> compiz suckfest
[09:38] <mvo> cdbs: I have a look at the code now
[09:38] <seb128> njpatel, smspillaz|z, didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/758307 got 6 duplicates since yesterday
[09:38] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/69092547/Stacktrace.txt
[09:38] <cdbs> mvo: I mean I'll work on the code, will propose a merge today
[09:39] <mvo> cdbs: oh, I thought you pushed the branch already
[09:39] <mvo> cdbs: sorry, misread then
[09:39] <cdbs> mvo: not yet
[09:40] <njpatel> unity hates java?!?
[09:40] <seb128> njpatel, it seems so
[09:40] <didrocks> njpatel: unison isn't in java?
[09:41]  * didrocks checks
[09:41] <seb128> no it's not
[09:41] <seb128> the duplicates have different descriptions
[09:41] <didrocks> so not java related
[09:41] <seb128> it's not java specific
[09:41] <njpatel> looks like uninitialised variables
[09:41] <seb128> one was using unison, one java, one --replace
[09:42] <didrocks> njpatel: which frame makes you think that?
[09:42] <didrocks> bit_gravity/c_class ?
[09:43] <njpatel> didrocks, thread 1, 0 and 1, attr and xwc seem to have back values, but I need to look at the code
[09:43]  * njpatel apt-get's source
[09:43]  * njpatel actually upgrades first
[09:44] <didrocks> right, border_width < 0 is suspicious :)
[09:56] <pitti> seb128: reminder reminder reminder
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, oh right! ;-)
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, now that you remind me I can remind you about the reminder ;-)
[10:11] <pitti> jasoncwarner, seb128: would either of you be able to run the 1630 UTC meeting today? (it overlaps with my ubuntu dev week session)
[10:11] <pitti> next week we'll have our meeting at 1530 UTC, but I forgot to announce that early enough
[10:11] <seb128> pitti, I can
[10:13] <dpm> hey seb128, do you think someone could have a look at bug 757468 before the translation deadline? The patch seems trivial and it's a really visible string
[10:13] <smspillaz|z> seb128: oh fun
[10:13] <seb128> dpm, easier is to subscribe the sponsors so it's on the list
[10:13] <pitti> hm, I could also yell really loudly about the new meeting time
[10:13] <seb128> dpm, I wanted to check why we need to translate it it should be a stack button
[10:13] <smspillaz|z> didrocks: sorry, your pet bug got bumped down the priority list :)
[10:14] <seb128> stack -> stock
[10:14] <glatzor> morning seb128 pitti  and mvo
[10:14] <seb128> hey glatzor, how are you?
[10:14] <didrocks> smspillaz|z: my pet bug?
[10:14] <smspillaz|z> didrocks: the grid issue :)
[10:15] <didrocks> smspillaz|z: it shouldn't be critical compared the rest anyway
[10:15] <glatzor> seb128, fine. and yourself?
[10:15] <glatzor> will be back in a minute
[10:15] <dpm> seb128, sure, what's the sponsors lp id? (yeah, I don't understand why it's not a stock button, either)
[10:16] <seb128> dpm, "ubuntu-sponsors"
[10:16] <smspillaz|z> didrocks: indeed.
[10:16] <seb128> dpm, or try pinging ev he's patch pilot today
[10:16] <smspillaz|z> seb128: FYI, java is notorious for being incredibly bad to window managers
[10:16] <didrocks> smspillaz|z: it's not a java issue, see the following
[10:16] <seb128> smspillaz|z, right, that one doesn't seem java specific though from reading the duplicates
[10:16] <smspillaz|z> seb128: right, though it probably does something stupid which we don't expect
[10:17] <seb128> smspillaz|z, 2 of the duplicates used unison
[10:17] <dpm> seb128, ok, thanks :-)
[10:17] <smspillaz|z> seb128: I know :)
[10:18] <smspillaz|z> njpatel: didrocks: FYI also, border_width = -1073423582 is actually a perfectly legit situation
[10:18] <smspillaz|z> since there is also passed a value mask to say which values changed
[10:19] <smspillaz|z> so you can leave the other ones as garbage
[10:19] <rodrigo_> nperry, oh, it was gnome-session 2.32 making gdm fail?
[10:21] <smspillaz|z> seb128: so someone got it using unison-gtk hm ?
[10:21] <smspillaz|z> or wine ?
[10:21] <seb128> smspillaz|z, it's what is written in the duplicates description
[10:26] <mvo> hey glatzor, welcome back
[10:27] <mvo> glatzor: did you see my question in the mail I send? about the exitstatus of lintian?
[10:28] <pitti> hey glatzor, guten Morgen!
[10:31] <Sweetshark> re
[10:33] <glatzor> hello pitti
[10:33] <glatzor> mvo, there is already a corresponding commit in my local branch
[10:34] <cdbs> mvo: The branch is here https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/update-manager/unity-quicklist/+merge/57289
[10:34] <glatzor> mvo, but what to do on an exit state of 2? Throw an "unkown error"?
[10:34] <cdbs> mvo: Could you kindly test it yourself? I was unable to test it, dynamic launcher quicklists suddenly stopped working for me across all applications
[10:37] <mvo> glatzor: I think "do nothing", its lintians fault in this case, no need to bother the user. I mean, we don't have anything useful to tell except for "our helper can not check this deb, what now"
[10:38] <glatzor> mvo, we cannot verify the minum quality of this package
[10:38] <mvo> cdbs: hm, that mixes GIR with normal pygtk, as I understand it that is dangerous (pitti may correct me here). so I would prefer to wait a bit with that merge
[10:38] <glatzor> mvo, could you make an upload with the recent bug fixes?
[10:38] <cdbs> mvo: nice catch
[10:38] <mvo> glatzor: and then a force button?
[10:38] <cdbs> that's why it isn't working
[10:39] <pitti> mvo, cdbs: you can mix it in general, you just can't mix gi.repository.Gtk with pygtk
[10:39] <mvo> glatzor: I prepared the upload, I was waiting for a decision on the exitcode one, I would prefer to do nothing
[10:39] <glatzor> mvo, ideally the bad quality package dialog should have a force button
[10:39] <pitti> i. e. you can use gi.repository.GUdev with pygtk just fine
[10:39] <mvo> aha, cool
[10:39] <cdbs> pitti: Here I am putting a Dbusmenu into Unity.LauncherEntry
[10:39] <mvo> thanks
[10:39] <pitti> that should be fine
[10:39] <cdbs> pitti: and then depending on the pygtk main
[10:39] <glatzor> mvo, I will add this to the AptErrorDialog after natty
[10:39] <mvo> glatzor: but I can distro patch that, if you prefer that
[10:39] <cdbs> pitti: I am doubtful if GObject.MainLoop is required?
[10:39] <mvo> glatzor: thanks!
[10:40] <pitti> cdbs, mvo: well, needs testing, of course, as DBusMenu could import gtk itself?
[10:40] <hrw> hi
[10:40] <pitti> cdbs: for now I suggest to use gobject, not GObject; a few weeks ago the latter didn't even work
[10:40] <hrw> will unity gain some kind of systray support?
[10:40] <cdbs> pitti: Is this garble up leading to why my dynamic quicklists stopped working across all apps?
[10:40] <pitti> hrw: it already has
[10:40] <cdbs> Really mysterious
[10:40] <pitti> I don't know
[10:41] <hrw> pitti: what do I have to install to have it? my system does not show lastfm and psi icons
[10:41] <mvo> glatzor: so I will take the current code but silence lintian on exit2, fine with you?
[10:41] <glatzor> mvo, that is the current behavior
[10:41] <pitti> hrw: the problem is that it only shows java, skype, and mumble right now, there's a whitelist
[10:41] <glatzor> so no need for a distro patch
[10:41] <cdbs> hrw: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[10:41] <glatzor> mvo, see rev 627
[10:42] <hrw> thx
[10:43] <glatzor> pitti, are you aware of any progress to port the dbus bindings to python3 or gi?
[10:43] <pitti> glatzor: dbus-glib you mean?
[10:43] <pitti> glatzor: most probably not; gdbus is the new thing
[10:43] <pitti> with GI
[10:43] <glatzor> pitti, but gdbus is only client side?
[10:43] <hrw> cdbs, pitti: but is there a way to get a list of hidden ones? or to disable white/black listing?
[10:44] <pitti> glatzor: no, it's server-side as well; problem is that it only works client-side with PyGI ATM
[10:44] <cdbs> hrw: AFAIK no
[10:44] <pitti> hrw: it's hardcoded AFAIK
[10:44] <mvo> glatzor: awsome, thanks!
[10:44] <pitti> that came up on -devel@ as well
[10:44]  * hrw back to xfce
[10:44] <cdbs> hrw: You can see .xsession-errors, it occasionally contains messages about blocked applets
[10:46] <hrw> 12 unique entries of 'traychild: rejected'
[10:47] <hrw> 7 applets: psi, lastfm, evolution-alarm, weather, bt, nm, update-notifier. bt/nm are done in other way
[10:48] <hrw> anyway unity has some nice ideas but will wait for 11.10/12.04 betas with next try
[10:50] <hrw> http://home.haerwu.biz/~hrw/unity.png shows my current desktop
[11:06] <davmor2> hey guys smittix on #ubuntu-uk just pointed out that in system settings the bluetooth icon is missing
[11:09] <seb128> it's an en_GB specific issue
[11:12] <davmor2> seb128: I can confirm it here on my natty box. which is en_GB I'm assuming he is too I'll double check for you
[11:13] <seb128> well I just checked here
[11:13] <davmor2> seb128: Yeap smittix is on en_GB too I'm just flipping over to en_US
[11:13] <seb128> that's because the icon name has been translated
[11:13] <seb128> someone changed b to B
[11:15] <glatzor> mvo, should I still backport patches to maverick?
[11:15] <pitti> that sounds like a bug in the applet itself, though (marking the icon string as translatable)
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, I think it's rather a bug in our gnome-desktop gettext patch
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, we had a similar case with some other app in german before
[11:17] <pitti> oh, it translates Icon=?
[11:18] <seb128> pitti, it doesn't filter for the keys to translate
[11:18] <seb128> it just gettext any key value
[11:19] <Daviey> cjwatson, Hi - do you have any more ideas with Bug #728088?  Is there anything we can do to help?
[11:20] <seb128> Daviey, wrong channel for installer issues ;-)
[11:20] <Daviey> dammit, -desktop and -devel are too close together in my irc client
[11:20] <Daviey> sorry all
[11:21] <davmor2> seb128: I get the same on en_US too
[11:22] <seb128> davmor2, no you don't
[11:22] <seb128> davmor2, how did you change your locale?
[11:23] <seb128> Daviey, no worry ;-)
[11:24] <davmor2> seb128: under Language Support I set everything system wide to en_US
[11:24] <seb128> did you restart your session?
[11:24] <davmor2> seb128: I did
[11:24] <seb128> LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 gnome-control-center doesn't have the issue there
[11:25] <seb128> LANGUAGE=en_GB.UTF-8 gnome-control-center does
[11:25] <mvo> glatzor: important ones are worthwhile, I think. lets talk after lunch, I gtg
[11:28] <hrw> can someone make a test? on desktop1 open two windows. on desktop2 open one window. then mark on of desktop1 windows as 'show on all desktops' and try alt-tab switch from window1 to window2 on desktop1. tell does it works. then switch to desktop2 and try alt-tab to switch windows. tell does it works
[11:29] <davmor2> seb128: indeed I wonder why after restarting it wasn't in en_US then :(  is there an easy way so see what language you are using?
[11:29] <seb128> davmor2, "locale"
[11:30] <seb128> davmor2, env | grep LANG
[11:37] <davmor2> seb128: http://ubuntuone.com/p/mDb/
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> i've just found my passport in the bottom of my office bin!
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> my daughter obviously thought she was doing me a "favour" by tidying up ;)
[11:39] <seb128> davmor2, did you open gnome-control-center from that command line?
[11:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, doesn't seem a safe place to store it ;-)
[11:39] <davmor2> seb128: yet if I close system settings and do LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 gnome-control-center then the system setting shows the bt icon
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i only found it by pure chance (it fell out of a bag)
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> so, i could have been without a passport there ;)
[11:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is the clue that your daugher doesn't want you to travel? ;-)
[11:41] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:41] <seb128> she's maybe a bit young to plan on that though
[11:41] <seb128> she probably just played with it ;-)
[11:41] <chrisccoulson> perhaps it was jo who put it there and she's just blaming my daughter ;)
[11:41] <chrisccoulson> ruby does like hiding things
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> her favourite place to hide things at the moment is in one of the speakers in the lounge
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> (she inserts items through the port on the front of them)
[11:42] <seb128> lol
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> and then we can't get them out without taking the speaker apart ;)
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> RAOF - thanks for fixing mono btw ;)
[12:23] <Sweetshark> pitti: thanks for the conservative comments on 756895 and 757304
[12:39] <JanC> akgraner just complained in #u-community-team how difficult it is to find the "Connect to Server..." functionality in natty with Unity
[12:40] <JanC> it might be useful to add a *.desktop file for nautilus-connect-server, so that it's at least easy to find from the dash?
[12:41] <seb128> JanC, it's in the desktop menu, i.e the menu you get in the indicator-appmenu when nothing is focussed
[12:41] <seb128> i.e on empty workspace
[12:42] <seb128> JanC, there is a race bug though you might need to nautilus --quit to see it, that's still tracked to be fixed for natty
[12:42] <JanC> actually, it's in every nautilus menu
[12:42] <seb128> right, well the desktop menu would be available in the unity-panel after login
[12:43] <seb128> no need to open nautilus
[12:43] <JanC> but I guess the desktop menu might be difficult to discover once you have an application open?
[12:44] <seb128> could be, but it's not harder than finding nautilus-connect-server in a lens view
[12:45] <JanC> adding a *.desktop file makes it possible to search for "connect to server"
[12:45] <seb128> right, we are over ui and string freeze though
[12:45] <JanC> I know, it risks not being translated when added this late anyway  :-(
[12:46] <Sweetshark> did anyone else see bug 732412? I have it here, but it does not seem to be reproducable for all.
[12:47] <seb128> it's that all don't have the binary that is needed to get that issue
[12:47] <seb128> like I don't have it but I don't have -java installed
[12:47] <seb128> or whatever the binary that confuses it is
[12:52] <popey> 11:06:39 < davmor2> hey guys smittix on #ubuntu-uk just pointed out that in system settings the  bluetooth icon is missin
[12:52] <popey> oops
[12:56] <Sweetshark> seb128: I have libreoffice-filter-mobiledev installed, and currently still do not see the issue. Some kind of race condition? Because I just installed the package explicitly after libreoffice-writer?
[12:58] <mvo> glatzor: have you seen bug #755655? its a bit odd as that function is part of the dbus interface
[12:58] <seb128> Sweetshark, did you restart your session since? did you tell us the other day than the writer icon was having this bug for you?
[13:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: having only LO-writer installed => no issue, installing LO-filter-mobiledev => no issue, restarting session => issue, removing LO-filter-mobiledev => issue, restarting session => no issue
[13:03] <seb128> k, it makes sense
[13:04] <seb128> the service is starting with the session, it might not dynamically refresh on installs
[13:05] <seb128> so it basically means it use the database of whatever was available when it started, which is a  small bug
[13:10] <Sweetshark> seb128: should I workaround that issue in LO by not creating the second desktop-file?
[13:11] <seb128> is the binary that create the issue installed by default?
[13:11] <seb128> how useful is it to users? if they created a .desktop for it that's because it's meant to be ran?
[13:12] <seb128> run
[13:16] <Sweetshark> 1) yes, as both packages are debs of the "libreoffice" package. 2) I dont know why it is there, so I guess users wont know either. It was likely just created for the MIME-line.
[13:17] <Sweetshark> after all it starts LO writer with exactly the same command as the LibreOffice Writer desktop file.
[13:18] <seb128> do you plan an upload for libreoffice before natty?
[13:19] <seb128> Sweetshark, so I'm still trying to talk dx into working on it but they are focussed on crashers so it might not get fixed before natty so it might make sense to workaround by dropping the .dektop until they fix it
[13:19] <seb128> it's your call
[13:19] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes, for bug 720716. still waiting for french translations there.
[13:19] <seb128> njpatel_, ^ can we get an estimation of how likely it's going to be fixed from your side before natty?
[13:20] <seb128> didrocks, ^ do you have any french translator you can ping about those?
[13:25] <Sweetshark> seb128: You asked me about compiz crashes. I just had one. Well, not really a crash: The desktop just froze completely (except the mouse). I did a ctrl-alt-f2/login/pkill -9 gnome-session to get my desktop back. top showed the machine was idling, the only unusual thing was a "Zeitgeist" zombie process. That one is still hanging around.
[13:25] <didrocks> seb128: apart from Bruno, but you have the same contact :) I saw he was still a little active recently btw
[13:25] <didrocks> looking at the bug
[13:25] <njpatel_> seb128, sorry, which bug?
[13:25] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, he's just stepped back from handling the team it seems
[13:25] <Sweetshark> njpatel_: bug 732412
[13:26] <njpatel_> seb128, very likely, I'll ask jason to take a look ASAP
[13:26] <pitti> mvo: hm, the aptdaemon upload is quite intrusive, can we keep this for after-beta2? (I didn't see RC bugs closed in that)
[13:26] <seb128> njpatel_, libreoffice matching the wrong .desktop since 2 desktops have the same command
[13:26] <seiflotfy> Sweetshark, we are chaning that
[13:26] <njpatel_> seb128, right, it's always and issue
[13:27] <Sweetshark> seiflotfy: ok, so no need to kill one of the desktop-files? good.
[13:27] <njpatel_> seb128, milestoned for this week and set to high
[13:27] <didrocks> apart from a bad hack in bamf… don't really see a clean solution
[13:27] <seb128> Sweetshark, did you wait a bit? usually no need to stop your session, just restart compiz
[13:27] <seb128> njpatel_, thanks
[13:27] <njpatel_> hopefully we can find a fix
[13:27] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^ dx will fix it so no need to workaround yet
[13:27] <seb128> Sweetshark, "hang" can be apport freezing compiz the time he collects the crash details
[13:28] <seb128> Sweetshark, but if it's not that and it's not coming back after a minute you usually just need to go to a vt and restart compiz no need to stop your session
[13:29] <Sweetshark> seb128: nah, didnt help. And a ctrl-alt-f2/ctrl-alt-f8 switch showed a black screen (with mouse).
[13:30] <seb128> Sweetshark, what didn't help? stopping compiz and restarting it?
[13:30] <Sweetshark> wait didnt help -- I did not try a compiz restart this time.
[13:30] <mvo> pitti: sure
[13:31] <mvo> pitti: how are the chances for the software-center one?
[13:31] <mvo> pitti: from last night?
[13:31] <seb128> Sweetshark, try next time, you wouldn't close your session this way
[13:31] <pitti> mvo: I was planning to keep it for post-b2 for now, for the same reason (no RC bugs, lots of changes)
[13:31] <mvo> ok, fair enough
[13:31] <pitti> mvo: if you are 100% sure about them, you can talk me into accepting it, though
[13:32] <pitti> mvo: but at this point these kind of uploads are opt-in for now, not opt-out
[13:32] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will try, but IIRC the last time I had duplicate entries on the dash for the windows after that. Ill try next time.
[13:32] <mvo> well, the current one on the CD has a known failure with submiting reviews, they will be submited, just a error is raised. plus a crash with accessibility. but its ok, the issues are not that huge and stability for b2 is key currently
[13:33] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, feel free to ask on the channel when you run into those issues
[13:34] <Sweetshark> seb128: I should be able now that my irssi is running in tmux ;)
[13:47] <hallyn> so apport brought up this window, with no title, no text, just a nice blue ball with a white question mark in it, and is asking me to say yes or no
[13:48] <seb128> hallyn, is that a kernel bug?
[13:48] <hallyn> the owning pid is '/usr/bin/python /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk'
[13:48] <hallyn> gotta be
[13:48] <hallyn> (bc everything under /var/crash is a kernel bug)
[13:48] <seb128> "known bug" I would say
[13:49] <hallyn> ok - i wasn't sure how to file a bug about it :)
[13:49] <seb128> well check on launchpad but I've seen those for a while on kernel bugs
[13:49] <seb128> but pitti might have a better clue about it
[13:49] <hallyn> right, i've seen them too, but since it's not fixed yet, and this really isn't acceptable...
[13:49] <seb128> try #ubuntu-kernel maybe
[13:49] <hallyn> it's even worse than apport not telling me anything about the crash it's asking me to report
[13:49] <pitti> hallyn: does the window actually react?
[13:50] <seb128> pitti, yes
[13:50] <pitti> hallyn: and did you see this with other bugs, or just kernel ones?
[13:50] <seb128> pitti, it's just that kernel bugs display you an empty dialog with yes, no buttons after asking questions
[13:50] <pitti> I wonder if there's a particular quoting issue which makes the label disappear
[13:50] <hallyn> that i'm not sure, bc apport doesn't tell me what sorts of bugs its filing :)
[13:50] <hallyn> pitti: apport asks *me* to tell *it*.  which is fine for me, sinc ei can chekc /var/crash, but not for a user!
[13:50] <pitti> hallyn: you don't ever see text in it?
[13:50] <hallyn> not in this window, no
[13:50] <seb128> well here on kernel issues I get a few dialogs asking if that was a one time issue, if it was specific to graphic, etc then this empty dialog
[13:51] <pitti> hallyn: like, if you do "ubuntu-bug gnome-panel" you don't see text?
[13:51] <seb128> pitti, it's not a frozen dialog, it's a working one but empty with yes,no button
[13:51] <pitti> seb128: I fixed an instance of that a while ago, but that's new
[13:51] <hallyn> pitti: i'm whining (like a girl) about two different things
[13:51] <pitti> could anyone run that from a command line and see whether you get a warning or exception or so?
[13:51] <hallyn> pitti: what seb128  is backing me up on is a different window which only comes up after apport has worked awhile
[13:51] <pitti> I bet it's trying to HTMLize some broken text
[13:52] <seb128> can't, I didn't get a kernel bug for a while
[13:52] <hallyn> (doing the cmd)
[13:52] <hallyn> pitti: that gave me text, as i expected
[13:53] <hallyn> pitti: but, just do an sbuild,
[13:53] <hallyn> pitti: get your expected aufs oopses,
[13:53] <hallyn> and run apport on those
[13:53] <pitti> hallyn: could you put the .crash file somewheere?
[13:53] <pitti> (like a bug report, or people.canonical.com, etc.)
[13:53] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/750870
[13:53] <seb128> is an example
[13:53] <hallyn> so i clicked no on the text-less box, and got 'This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed'
[13:54] <hallyn> seb128: yeah that's the one :)
[13:55] <pitti> seb128: thanks, set to incomplete asking for a .crash files
[13:55] <hallyn> pitti: i've got 10 crashes there, i'm checking for one that reproduces
[13:55] <hallyn> i'll post a .rash to that bug
[13:55] <pitti> hallyn: running ubuntu-bug on that crash file ought to reproduce it
[13:56] <hallyn> pitti: exactly
[13:56] <hallyn> pitti: ah!  now i saw this in the terminal:
[13:56] <hallyn> (apport-gtk:4501): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set text from markup due to error parsing markup: Error on line 14 char 10: Element 'markup' was closed, but the currently open element is 'ffffffff811842e0'
[13:57] <pitti> right, I expected something like that
[13:57] <pitti> but without knowing the actual text that it tries to display it's hard to imagine what line 14 is :)
[13:57] <hallyn> crash posted
[13:59] <pitti> hallyn: what did you answer in the initial dialogs that were still visible?
[13:59] <pitti> i. e. the first one is the category
[13:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, you should add something that print the pid and the name of the process for the g-s-d issue
[13:59] <pitti> hallyn: ah, nevermind, got it
[13:59] <seb128> pitti, when I got it I replied happened once and graphics irrc
[14:00] <hallyn> pitti: 'i don't know'
[14:00] <hallyn> (as i'd expect a user to do :)
[14:00] <pitti> looks quite funny, though
[14:00] <hallyn> in fact i don't know what the right answer is
[14:00] <hallyn> it's not 'kernel config'
[14:00] <pitti> why would we bother you with technical babbling, just say yes!
[14:00] <hallyn> 'kernel' is not an option
[14:00] <hallyn> :)
[14:01] <hallyn> it's one of my two pet daily peeves on the desktop
[14:01] <hallyn> the other being the popups asking for passphrases but not saying who's asking
[14:01] <hallyn> (i assume it's ubuntu one)
[14:03] <pitti> ah, it's the entire call trce plus a "plz submit to kerneloops.org" question
[14:07] <seb128> mterry_, hey
[14:07] <mterry_> seb128, hello!
[14:07] <seb128> mterry_, how are you?
[14:07] <seb128> mterry_, thanks for triaging some of the indicators bugs ;-)
[14:09] <mterry_> seb128, I'm good, no problem
[14:09] <seb128> mterry_, do you need bugs bounced your way or do you just want to keep cleaning a bug and picking some on the way?
[14:09] <pitti> hallyn: fixed in trunk, thanks!
[14:09] <mterry_> seb128, that g_strcmp0 one has a lot of duplicates, but I just can't see how it's happening
[14:09] <seb128> mterry_, I've nothing specific on my list
[14:10] <mterry_> seb128, I'm OK with finding them for now.  There's one thing I know needs cleaning in indicator-application
[14:10] <seb128> mterry_, which one is that? is that still get duplicates from natty?
[14:11] <seb128> mterry_, the one which seems getting quite some duplicates is the label ones which misses the first frame in the stacktraces
[14:11] <mterry_> seb128, ah yeah, that too.  :(
[14:11] <mterry_> seb128, I need reproduction steps.  These are hard to trigger
[14:12] <seb128> mterry_, well the label one has no duplicate under unity
[14:13] <seb128> so it might be a bug in the applet rather than in the service
[14:14] <mterry_> seb128, ah right
[14:14]  * mterry_ doesn't want to live in boring old classic gnome for a while  :(
[14:15] <hallyn> pitti: already?  thanks!
[14:15] <seb128> mterry_, lol, I was going to suggest to not bother about it for natty since it's only in the fallback session ;-)
[14:15] <pitti> hallyn: yeah, was a trivial fix
[14:16] <seb128> pitti is made of awesome ;-)
[14:16] <pitti> it tried to display e. g. <[0xDEADBEEF]> and tried to interpret it as a HTML tag
[14:16] <hallyn> pitti: i look forward to handling my new set of crashes tomorrow morning :)
[14:16] <pitti> hallyn: I'm not quite sure whether these oops traces will really tell the user any more than the empty dialog :)
[14:17] <pitti> so I still insist on treating this as an usability feature!!
[14:18]  * mterry_ will brb, going into classic mode
[14:19] <hallyn> pitti: at least a confimration that it is an apport window would be nice
[14:19] <hallyn> (yes, xprop can tell me, but prolly not the user)
[14:19] <hallyn> pitti: thanks again :)
[14:19] <pitti> hallyn: just kidding
[14:20] <pitti> I'll upload it after b2
[14:21] <hallyn> great.  meanwhile, upstart is going to be removing any aufs crashes for me when i boot :)
[14:23] <dobey> seb128: do you happen to have a suggestion of how we would appropriately handle dbus going completely insane, without reporting the problems?
[14:23] <seb128> dobey, report a bug against dbus?
[14:23] <seb128> or you mean how to get debug infos?
[14:24] <seb128> not really but other people here probably know dbus better than me
[14:24] <dobey> seb128: no, just wondering because you suggested handling the exception to avoid apport spam. :-/
[14:25] <seb128> well apport is only report the exception if you don't catch them right?
[14:25] <seb128> so just add a try: there?
[14:25] <seb128> to display an error on the command line or something
[14:25] <seb128> it would avoid having the apport spamming
[14:26] <dobey> well the problem is that there is nothing useful we can do in the except:
[14:26] <dobey> eh
[14:27] <seb128> well just print a "dbus is screwed"
[14:27] <seb128> it will stop apport for spamming launchpad
[14:30] <dobey> when did dbus start doing this anyway? seems like a recently introduced regression in dbus, no?
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, bamf crashed and now my launcher is broken
[14:31] <seb128> dobey, doing what?
[14:34] <dobey> seb128: cause the "Connection refused" with the session bus socket on upgrades
[14:39] <seb128> dobey, is that only on upgrades? maybe mvo has a clue
[14:40] <dobey> seb128: not sure exactly. it's weird since ubuntuone-launch is msotly what's seeing it, and that should only get run on log-in.
[14:52] <seb128> dobey, don't bother much about apport noise, it will be turned off in the stable anyway so...
[14:56] <dobey> seb128: i'm more worried that u1 doesn't work because of it
[14:59] <nessita> dobey: the control panel has got that report as well
[15:00] <dobey> nessita: yes, i suspect a lot of things have
[15:00] <nessita> hum
[15:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, just want to make sure people are running the correct version, since some of the comments make me wonder if that's the case really
[15:03] <seb128> hey nessita
[15:03] <desrt> nessita: good morning!
[15:03] <seb128> dobey, nessita: those crashes could also be at session logout, like connection going under the feet of things not closed yet
[15:03] <seb128> the apport collector would still catch those and display a crash dialog at next login
[15:05] <nessita> seb128: hey there
[15:05] <nessita> hi desrt!
[15:05] <dobey> seb128: i don't think that's the case, since ubuntuone-launch only gets run on log-in, and doesn't stay running for the whole session
[15:06] <seb128> ok
[15:06] <seb128> so I've no clue what the issue is
[15:06]  * nessita neither
[15:06] <dobey> yeah, me either :(
[15:18] <mvo> seb128: out default wallpaper should change on upgrades, right? from mav -> nat?
[15:20] <seb128> mvo, did they make a new wallpaper for natty?
[15:20] <seb128> mvo, when I tried beta2 it seemed to be still the old one, I didn't see a new one this cycle
[15:20] <seb128> check with sladen I guess
[15:21] <mvo> seb128: aha, that might explain it then
[15:38] <kenvandine> mvo, seb128: i think we got a new wallpaper, but it is a very slight change... barely noticable
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, my eyes are not trained enough to spot the difference ;-)
[15:39] <kenvandine> mine either :)
[15:39] <kenvandine> i think i read it on OMG or something :-D
[15:40] <kenvandine> because you know, that is where we should hear about this stuff
[15:40] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:40] <seb128> lol
[15:41] <didrocks> same for me, read on OMG
[15:42] <didrocks> seb128: mvo: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-11-04-nattys-new-default-desktop-wallpaper-revealed/
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> i like the wallpaper with the narwhals on, but that's not the default is it?
[15:42] <mvo> thanks didrocks
[15:43] <mvo> haha, no wonder it looks the same
[15:43] <didrocks> you have even an animated gif to see the difference :)
[15:43] <kenvandine> :)
[15:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm my defaut anyway :p
[15:43] <seb128> well I'm surprised nobody complained this cycle about design being lazy and spending 5 minutes to do the new wallpaper
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, it is mine too. i really like that wallpaper :)
[15:44]  * davmor2 still thinks the the desktop backgrounds have been a bit meh since hardy herons
[15:44] <didrocks> seb128: look at the 173 comments :-)
[15:45] <seb128> didrocks, well previous cycle they complained enough that they redid the wallpaper a bit ;-)
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> davmor2, i liked the hardy wallpaper too. that was probably my previous favourite ;)
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> the new narwhal background is seriously nice though
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> i'll probably keep that for a few cycles ;)
[15:47] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, link?
[15:47] <jcastro> just put on the community rotating bundle and you're all set!
[15:48] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: which one I think there are 3 with narwhals on
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Aubergine_Sea_by_Wyatt_Kirby.jpg
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> it should be on your system already
[15:48] <kenvandine> ah
[15:48] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:48] <kenvandine> i kind of like that one too
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that one really should be the default :)
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> there are some really nice wallpapers installed actually
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> i only just noticed them
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> the quality seems to be much higher than usual
[15:50] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: oh that one agreed it's the best on a bigger screen looks a bit dark on a netbook though, but then you hardly ever see it anyway
[15:59] <seb128> kenvandine, tedg, mterry: let's go with a bug fixes tarballs on thursday ok?
[15:59] <kenvandine> works for me
[15:59] <seb128> but try to land only selected bug fixes this week
[16:00] <kenvandine> tedg, did you get your other dbusmenu branch merged?
[16:01] <tedg> kenvandine, No, planning on looking over that this morning.  Took yesterday to forget everything and re-review :-)
[16:05] <lool> Oy
[16:08] <seb128> hello lool
[16:11] <seb128> dpm, hi, do you have an uptodate wikipage tracking what packages need a rebuild with a translation export?
[16:14] <dpm> seb128, otp. let me come back to you later
[16:14] <seb128> dpm, ok
[16:22] <lool> win 68
[16:22] <lool> Ups
[16:26] <seb128> lool, no you didn't win this time ;-)
[16:26] <lool> hehe
[16:27] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter: meeting in 3 minutes
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> yay \o/
[16:27]  * kenvandine waves
[16:28] <seb128> hey
[16:29] <zyga> hi
[16:29]  * Sweetshark spots a comfortable chair and takes a seat.
[16:29] <zyga> does anyone know which accessibility feature might interpret numeric keyboard insert as "right click", I seem to have the numeric keypad acting as mouse in general
[16:30] <cyphermox> o/
[16:30] <seb128> hey everybody
[16:30] <tremolux> heyo
[16:30] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-04-12
[16:30] <didrocks> hey
[16:30] <seb128> so pitti is busy with other things for beta2 and an IRC talk later
[16:30] <seb128> I'm going to lead that one
[16:31] <seb128> let's get started
[16:31] <mterry> hi
[16:31] <seb128> kenvandine, hum, partner updates? (I see the wiki is a bit empty :p)
[16:31] <kenvandine> yeah... nothing to report
[16:31] <kenvandine> which is good :)
[16:32] <seb128> just for the record I aim on indicator bug fix uploads on thursday
[16:32] <kenvandine> cool
[16:32] <seb128> so mterry and other please keep fixing crashers until then if you can ;-)
[16:32] <seb128> others
[16:32] <kenvandine> yes... please
[16:32] <mterry> k
[16:33] <seb128> does anybody has comment or questions for kenvandine?
[16:33] <pitti> so nothing OMGurgent from U1 at this point?
[16:33] <pitti> which needs to be squeezed in?
[16:33] <pitti> good! :)
[16:33] <kenvandine> indeed :)
[16:34] <dpm> seb128, we've got https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline, but it hasn't really been updated since Maverick. I'm hoping that some of the policykit stuff is now dealt with rober_ancell's patch to load translations at runtime and it's not needed to export and rebuild translations. Apart from that list, we've got the FF and LO .desktop entries' translations in the wiki
[16:34] <seb128> ok, that's a bit weird, I'm not used to not have things to rush at the end of the cycle
[16:34] <seb128> we probably miss something ;-)
[16:35] <seb128> anyway
[16:35] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[16:35] <seb128> dpm, ok, we are in our weekly meeting now but I will get back to you after that
[16:35] <seb128> didrocks, hey, unity update?
[16:35] <dpm> (sorry, I hadn't realized that)
[16:35] <didrocks> sure
[16:35] <didrocks> well, the wiki section isn't empty :)
[16:36] <didrocks> we have still some goodness in trunk that will be update on Thursday right after beta2
[16:36] <seb128> didrocks, indeed!
[16:36] <didrocks> there is an annoying Xorg freeze, let's see how it goes with RAOF looking at it
[16:37] <didrocks> and then, the "while playing with ccsm" crash is also on the priority list
[16:37] <seb128> didrocks, the plan is to land selected bug fixes on thursday as well for you?
[16:37] <didrocks> seb128: right
[16:38] <seb128> ok, great
[16:38] <seb128> if anybody still has unity crashing please report the bug and give the number here
[16:38] <cdbs> didrocks: hi, are we too late to get fixes in for, like, bug #740862 ?
[16:38] <didrocks> cdbs: it's not designed at all, and yeah, it's not the focus for natty
[16:39] <didrocks> cdbs: better to fix bugs than adding them :)
[16:39]  * pitti just filing the latest one that hit him right when the meeting started
[16:40] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[16:40] <dansmith> can anyone help me get unity back on its feet after a sinful venture into gnome3 land?
[16:40] <seb128> dansmith, hi, try #ubuntu or wait until the meeting we are having is over which should take less than half an hour
[16:40] <dansmith> classic gnome desktop works fine, but unity gives me a lot of screen corruption and *some* very large weird-looking fonts
[16:41] <jcastro> dobey: is there a gconf key or a setting to check to see if the u1music store folder is enabled in banshee? Mine seems to be missing
[16:41] <dansmith> seb128: oh, sorry
[16:41] <seb128> jcastro, we are in a meeting try another channel or query?
[16:41] <seb128> ok
[16:41] <seb128> questions for didrocks or comments about unity?
[16:41] <jcastro> (oh sorry)
[16:41] <dobey> jcastro: it warns you on the "My Downloads" page if you go to it
[16:42] <seb128> ok, seems not
[16:42] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[16:42] <seb128> tremolux, hey
[16:42] <didrocks> yw
[16:42] <seb128> tremolux, s-c update?
[16:42] <tremolux> hey seb128
[16:42] <tremolux> yep, on the wiki, just bugfixes  :)
[16:44] <seb128> ok
[16:44] <seb128> you are on top of those?
[16:44] <tremolux> yep, I think we are in good shape
[16:44] <seb128> do you check crashers bug? there was a few that got taggeed needspattern on launchpad
[16:45] <tremolux> yes, we do watch those
[16:45] <seb128> sometimes they are not triaged but it seems they are know by the team, maybe add a comment when you cross those so other know they have been reviewed?
[16:45] <tremolux> ok, yes, good idea
[16:45] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[16:45] <tremolux> you're welcome, thanks seb128
[16:45] <seb128> is there any question about s-c?
[16:46] <pitti> didrocks, seb128: I got bug 757709, FYI (twice today already)
[16:46] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[16:46] <didrocks> looking :)
[16:47] <seb128> njpatel_, ^
[16:47] <pitti> tremolux: there are still some long-standing RC bugs in s-c, are these still on track, or do you need help?
[16:47] <seb128> pitti, what were you doing when you got it?
[16:47] <pitti> (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs)
[16:47] <pitti> seb128: nothing in particular; typing IRC and probably switched windows
[16:47]  * tremolux looking
[16:47] <seb128> pitti, ok
[16:48] <pitti> tremolux: we can discuss specifics later, just wanted to check in general whether you have them on the radar
[16:48] <pitti> some have > 50 dups
[16:48] <tremolux> pitti: yes, indeed
[16:48] <pitti> we still have some 12 RC bugs, and about a week to fix them, so it'll be an interestnig week :)
[16:49] <tremolux> pitti: we are concentrating on these Xapian bugs now actually
[16:49] <pitti> didrocks: do you know if the unity-2d team is working on bug 740387 ?
[16:49] <pitti> I've seen the corruption in classic myself, it's quite ridiculous
[16:49] <pitti> but I guess they'd kill us if we reverted the patch
[16:49] <didrocks> pitti: no, you should ping Kaleo on #ayatana I guess
[16:50] <pitti> didrocks: ok, will do
[16:50] <pitti> seb128: sorry, back to you
[16:50] <seb128> pitti, that's fine
[16:50] <pitti> (just need to disappear to my PyGI classroom devweek session in a bit)
[16:50] <seb128> I guess we finished the s-c topic
[16:50] <seb128> thanks tremolux
[16:50] <seb128> Riddell, kubuntu update?
[16:50] <seb128> Riddell, hey also ;-)
[16:50] <Riddell> hi
[16:50] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.6.2 is in
[16:50] <Riddell>  * no notable compile failures
[16:50] <Riddell>  * plasma-desktop and mobile good for beta
[16:50] <Riddell>  * http://goo.gl/HbXHe 5 bugs milestoned for beta 2, none critical
[16:50] <Riddell>  * Seems like wubi isn't working too well in second stage, still investigating
[16:50] <Riddell> ..
[16:52] <seb128> thanks Riddell, seems kubuntu is on track
[16:52] <seb128> is there any question or comment for Riddell?
[16:53] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html seems mostly on track
[16:53] <seb128> if you have remaining items please clean those
[16:53] <seb128> or raise issues if you have some that need landing that didn't yet
[16:54] <mvo> seb128: btw, +1 from me on the comment about packaing branches vs real branches
[16:54] <mvo> on the ML
[16:54] <seb128> mvo, ;-)
[16:55] <njpatel_> seb128, will fix
[16:55] <seb128> njpatel_, thanks a lot
[16:55] <seb128> pitti, ^ njpatel for you ;-)
[16:56]  * pitti hugs njpatel_
[16:56] <seb128> ok, so work items are on track
[16:56] <seb128> remaining topic is natty bugs
[16:56] <seb128> there is still a bunch of those on the list pitti pointed before
[16:57] <seb128> does anybody need help on any bug assigned to him?
[16:58] <seb128> pitti, did you want us to specifically go through the list during the meeting?
[16:58] <pitti> no, I don't think so
[16:58] <pitti> I might ask people throughout the week, but no need to block everyone here
[16:58] <pitti> (and my PyGI talk starts now :) )
[16:58] <seb128> ok
[16:58] <seb128> pitti, have fun ;-)
[16:58] <pitti> just a general call to please re-check your +assignedbugs page
[16:58] <seb128> thanks everybody, let's wrap then
[16:59] <pitti> anyone interested in pygtk -> pygi porting, welcome to join
[16:59] <pitti> thanks seb128
[16:59] <seb128> natty and unity rock so let's keep focussed for another week and squash some extra bugs
[16:59] <kenvandine> :)
[17:00] <mvo> go pitti go
[17:01] <mvo> the s-c databasemodifiederror one has a bunch of fixes in my branch now, just fyi, I was not able to reproduce the issue myself so I can not say for sure if fixes all possible cases
[17:03] <seb128> dpm, hey, ok, thanks, I know about this page but it seemed outdated especially in regard of polkit which should be working with gettext nowadays
[17:06] <dpm> seb128, let me see if I can update the page later on. As we're not sure what's going to happen with ubuntu-docs this time around (still discussing it on ubuntu-doc@), apart from the usual debian-installer + ubiquity stuff, I think the main things to take into account are the FF + LO entries (there haven't been any Evo U1 e-mail translation updates afaik)
[17:06] <seb128> ok
[17:06] <seb128> does shared-mime-info and xdg-user-dirs need an update?
[17:06] <nessita> question: I have a branch that needs sponsorship, but not sure if I can request it due to the current freeze: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntuone-control-panel/ubuntuone-control-panel-0.9.6/+merge/57347
[17:06] <seb128> we could do one I guess
[17:06] <seb128> nessita, you can, I will do it for you
[17:07] <seb128> nessita, it will just sit in the queue until it's fine to get it in
[17:07] <nessita> seb128: awesome, thanks a lot :-)
[17:08] <seb128> nessita, you're welcome
[17:13] <gabgom> hello I think you must know it but the genome preferences gives an error when starts gnome and the background setting are not saved. The Ubuntu One does not work neither.
[17:13] <dpm> seb128, I'd say yes, they do need an update, but let me re-check
[17:14] <gabgom> If I can give you any help .....
[17:26] <seb128> gabgom, what do you mean?
[17:34] <dansmith> can anyone help me get unity back on its feet after a sinful venture into gnome3 land?
[17:34] <dansmith> classic gnome desktop works fine, but unity gives me a lot of screen corruption and *some* very large weird-looking fonts
[17:34] <dansmith> I already asked in #ubuntu+1, but nobody seemed to have any ideas
[17:34] <dansmith> I did the ppa-purge and I did reinstall ubuntu-desktop, but it didn't req any additional packages (and thus made no difference)
[17:35] <dansmith> the ppa came with a warning, so if I have to do something drastic to fix it (like reinstall) I will, but it seems like it should be resolvable with packages
[17:35] <dansmith> I created a fresh test user to avoid any potential stale settings, but that user sees the same behavior
[17:36] <seb128> do you have specific example of what doesn't work correctly?
[17:36] <dansmith> sure, if I click the user menu on the top-right corner, the resulting pop-down has huge 1980's nintendo fonts and the selection bar doesn't quite line up
[17:36] <dansmith> if I hover over any of the tiles in the launcher bar, their tooltips never go away
[17:36] <seb128> you can try to dpkg -l | grep 3.0.0
[17:37] <seb128> to spot ppa version left if you have some
[17:37] <dansmith> windows don't render.. if I open a terminal, I see some new black boxes, but nothing like a window
[17:37] <dansmith> sure
[17:37] <seb128> or dpkg -l | grep build
[17:37] <dansmith> the 3.0.0 one gives me lots of hits :)
[17:37] <dansmith> should I clean those out first?
[17:38] <seb128> well some are normal
[17:38] <seb128> can you copy those or pastebin or something?
[17:38] <dansmith> surely
[17:38] <seb128> so we can tell you if we spot something wrong
[17:38] <dansmith> http://pastebin.com/svvcFUu1
[17:39] <seb128> the list there seems mostly ok
[17:39] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep gnome-settings-daemon
[17:39] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep compiz
[17:39] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep unity
[17:40] <seb128> can you pastebin those as well?
[17:40] <seb128> rodrigo_, didrocks: ^ do you have any clue what could be wrong?
[17:40]  * didrocks backlogs
[17:40] <dansmith> http://pastebin.com/jJhcF8EM
[17:41] <rodrigo_> hmm
[17:41] <seb128> dansmith, can you copy your .xsession-errors as well?
[17:42] <seb128> there is nothing weird in your versions list that I can see
[17:42] <didrocks> hum, nothing looking wrong
[17:42] <rodrigo_> it sounds to me some screen corruption like the one I get myself when resuming or switching users in unity
[17:42] <rodrigo_> dansmith, did unity work before using the gnome3 ppa?
[17:42] <seb128> dansmith, did you try restarting your box in case?
[17:42] <dansmith> rodrigo_: yep
[17:42] <dansmith> seb128: ...restart?! :)
[17:43] <dansmith> xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/6TQTbsxM
[17:43] <rodrigo_> dansmith, do you have the gnome-session 3.0?
[17:43] <dansmith> rodrigo_: you mean running?
[17:43] <rodrigo_> dansmith, also, what does 'dpkg -l | grep 2.91' show
[17:43] <rodrigo_> dansmith, installed and yes, running
[17:43] <rodrigo_> there can only be 1 gnome-session package
[17:44] <dansmith> rodrigo_: I created a test user post-purge and have only logged into unity with it, so I think that's clean enough, right?
[17:44] <seb128> those "(Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :3." warnings are weird in your .xsession-errors
[17:44] <dansmith> robbiew: the only gnome-session I see running is with --session=classic-gnome
[17:44] <dansmith> oops, rodrigo_ ^
[17:44] <seb128> dansmith, dpkg -l gnome-session should give you the version
[17:44] <dansmith> seb128: 2.32
[17:45] <dansmith> rodrigo_: the grep 2.91 shows gnome-{bluetooth,themes-standard,user-guide} and libgnome-bluetooth8
[17:45] <nessita> cjwatson: hey there, is there any more info needed in https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.9/+merge/55415 ?
[17:46] <seb128> ok, so I don't know out an xorg or driver issue, you can still try to restart if you didn't try yet in case the video card is in a weird state
[17:46] <dansmith> seb128: just so we're clear, I'm in a gnome classic session right now with effects enabled, and am just doing a switch-user to the other test user to test things
[17:47] <dansmith> so I tend to think that the card (and 3d) is okay, but I can certainly try a reboot if you think it might help
[17:47] <cjwatson> nessita: doesn't look like it; I was just being patch pilot for that day though
[17:47] <dansmith> (although it worries me :P)
[17:47] <seb128> dansmith, did you try to enable unity in ccsm for your running session?
[17:47] <nessita> cjwatson: oh, right, thanks anyways :-)
[17:47] <dansmith> seb128: what's ccsm?
[17:47] <seb128> dansmith, well I don't spot anything wrong in your package versions or log so I don't know
[17:47] <rodrigo_> dansmith, switching users gives me a similar result when using unity as you describe, so try at least restarting gdm
[17:48] <seb128> dansmith, compiz-settings-manager
[17:48] <seb128> dansmith, small utility to tweak the compiz config
[17:48] <dansmith> oh, then maybe I should in fact do a clean boot
[17:48] <seb128> yes, you should start with that
[17:49] <dansmith> seb128: compiz<tab> only shows me compiz and compiz-decorator
[17:49] <dansmith> okay, let me boot.. brb
[17:49] <seb128> dansmith, try to restart, otherwise ccsm is not installed by default, you need to install compiz-settings-manager
[17:50] <seb128> compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:50] <seb128> rather
[17:50] <seb128> but better to try a restart first
[17:50] <dansmith> k
[17:54] <dansmith> nope, same deal
[17:57] <dansmith> seb128: so, is there something in ccsm I should check for?
[17:57] <dansmith> I see "gnome compatibility" enabled
[17:57] <seb128> dansmith, no I was just suggesting check unity on in your GNOME session
[17:58] <dansmith> seb128: I'm not sure what you mean...
[18:00] <dansmith> seb128: interestingly, I just started unity from within my gnome session (maybe that's what you meant) and it works just fine (but I still have the gnome task panel, of course)
[18:00] <seb128> right, that's what I meant there
[18:00] <seb128> it could be a video driver issue with handling 2 3d xsession
[18:01] <dansmith> well, after boot, I tried going directly into unity (so 1 session) and it didn't work
[18:01] <seb128> weird indeed
[18:01] <dansmith> logged out and went back in as gnome classic and it worked fine
[18:01] <seb128> what didn't work in unity?
[18:01] <seb128> it started with the graphical issues your described before?
[18:01] <dansmith> meaning, the display was all corrupted
[18:01] <dansmith> yes
[18:01] <seb128> didrocks, ^ did you see bugs like that before?
[18:02] <dansmith> it's almost like something in the unity session isn't getting setup, but does in the gnome session
[18:03] <didrocks> at boot? not known. screenshots and driver details will be needed… :/
[18:04] <dansmith> maybe I should try to go back to nouveau first, just to reduce the number of moving parts
[18:04] <dansmith> under maverick on my system, nouveau was unusable but maybe that's changed..
[18:26] <dansmith> unity works under nouveau 3d, but isn't usable for me for the same reason that nouveau 2d isn't
[18:26] <dansmith> but, that should be a data point, I think
[18:29] <dansmith> ...and now it works under the binary driver
[18:29] <dansmith> when switching to nouveau, I nuked my xorg.conf file and haven't restored it yet, so that must have been it
[18:37] <seb128> dansmith, do you have specific options in there?
[18:38] <dansmith> seb128: I just had some saved geometry settings for monitor config, but when I'm done with this call I can pastebin it if you're interested
[18:38] <dansmith> clearly not gnome3 related I guess, and possibly something someone else could encounter without having sinned first :)
[18:38] <seb128> dansmith, well if you find an option which breaks it it might still be interesting to tell us which one
[18:38] <dansmith> yeah
[18:55] <jibel> seb128, can you reconsider bug 697095 since it seems to affect a lot of users
[18:57] <seb128> jibel: reconsider what?
[18:57] <seb128> the settings?
[18:57] <jibel> seb128, yes the setting, why low ?
[18:57] <seb128> jibel: it's basically apport noise, it's happening on session closing it has no user visible effect and will go away next week when we turn apport off for the stable
[18:57] <jibel> and can we fix it ?
[18:58] <seb128> it's like an application crashing when you shutdown your computer
[18:58] <jibel> seb128,  most of the users are reporting it on login, me too.
[18:58] <seb128> right
[18:58] <seb128> because when apport would show on shutdown?
[18:58] <seb128> the box stop and collect the .crash while stopping
[18:58] <seb128> then it show it on next login
[19:00] <jibel> seb128, can we do something at apport level then to avoid reporting it ?
[19:00] <seb128> we discussed that with pitti a bit this week
[19:00] <seb128> it's not new and would be nice to do for sure yes
[19:00] <seb128> it's non trivial and has been low priority so far though
[19:00] <jibel> not that I like to hide bugs
[19:01] <seb128> well ideally we would fix those bugs
[19:01] <seb128> it's just that this one is non trivial
[19:01] <seb128> we had a look to it during the rally with pitti but didn't find anything wrong
[19:01] <seb128> it's something due to mvo's session patch we think
[19:22] <pitti> DBO, seb128: bug 754225 got marked for beta-2, is that something we can realistically fix in the next hours, or should we retarget to final?
[19:22] <DBO> yes
[19:22] <seb128> pitti, I discussed it with skaet
[19:22] <DBO> I am working as hard as I can
[19:22] <seb128> she would like to see it in
[19:22] <seb128> pitti, I said we would upload as soon as we can
[19:23] <pitti> ok, thanks; so I keep it targetted to b2 for now
[19:23]  * didrocks waves goodnight, headache and rest needed
[19:24] <seb128> 'night didrocks
[19:24] <pitti> didrocks: sleep well!
[19:24] <didrocks> good night
[19:24] <didrocks> same for you pitti, seb128 :-)
[19:38] <seb128> pitti, sorry I was on mumble, so yeah it crashes every time you use a fileselector in libreoffice of firefox so it's quite noticable, skaet said she would like to see the fix in for beta2 if we can or at least in by beta2 time
[19:49] <nessita> hi pitti, is there anything I can do to have https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.9/+merge/55415 moving forward to maverick-proposed?
[19:50] <dobey> nessita: could you re-push to the right location and then propose?
[19:51] <dobey> nessita: ie, lp:~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick-proposed/...
[19:51] <nessita> dobey: what would be the right location?
[19:52] <dobey> nessita: as cjwatson noted there, you pushed it under natty instead of maverick. just "maverick" is probably acceptable, but "maverick-proposed" is more correct i think
[19:54] <nessita> dobey: hum, I'm not following. The merge proposal is proposed against maverick-proposed, as you can see in https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.9/+merge/55415
[19:55] <dobey> nessita: yes, but your branch is pushed to ubuntu/natty
[19:55] <dobey> nessita: not to ubuntu/maverick-proposed/
[19:56] <nessita> dobey: what branch is pushed to ubuntu/natty? (other than the one that was actually released in natty)
[19:56] <dobey> nessita: i don't know if cjwatson hasn't looked at it again because of that or not. but it's not a branch for natty
[19:56] <dobey> nessita: look at your url, and how it says "natty" in it :)
[19:56] <nessita> dobey: ah! boo. But target is correct, does the url matter?
[19:56]  * nessita fixes in the mean time
[19:57] <dobey> nessita: technically, no. but it useful for tracking purposes to be in the right series. it looks really weird to see something from the "natty" series being merged into maverick-proposed
[19:58] <nessita> makes sense, I'm fixing now
[19:58] <nessita> can't push against maverick-proposed, I'm using maverick instead
[20:00] <dobey> ok
[20:02] <pitti> seb128, DBO: so, while it would be nice to get it into b2, it's not something that ruins the install, so release-note and upgarde after b2 would still not be the end of the world
[20:02] <DBO> pitti, how long do I have for b2?
[20:02] <DBO> hours? minutes?
[20:03] <pitti> DBO: 2 hours would be ideal; if not, we might try some selected respins tomorrow, but then QA would get tight
[20:03] <DBO> pitti, okay i'll try to nail it down by then
[20:03] <DBO> no promisses
[20:04] <pitti> DBO: thanks muchly!
[21:11] <DBO> pitti, I have pushed a fix
[21:11] <DBO> I can no longer reproduce the issue
[21:12] <pitti> DBO: rock!
[21:12] <DBO> seb128, ^^
[21:12] <DBO> can you try with trunk
[21:12] <DBO> I know its a pain
[21:12] <DBO> but I want a second opinion
[21:13] <skaet> DBO,  seb128,  thanks!  (/me crossing fingers ... )
[21:14] <DBO> skaet, if you want to test too...
[21:14] <DBO> I can always afford an extra pair of eyes
[21:14] <DBO> especially with a bug this subtle
[21:14] <DBO> (well subtle in its cuase)
[21:15] <highvoltage> hey desktop team, I need some help with an Edubuntu bug
[21:15] <highvoltage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/746028
[21:16] <highvoltage> we replace the wallpaper with a new one, but a copy is kept in .cache/wallpaper for the user and for gdm, and after upgrade the old wallpaper is still used
[21:17] <highvoltage> I looked at the ubuntu-{artwork,wallpaper} packages and they didn't seem to have anything special that we don't have in the edubuntu package
[21:17] <highvoltage> so I'm either missing something or this bug is present in Ubuntu as well (and no one noticed because the new Ubuntu default is quite similar to the old one)
[21:22] <charlie-tca> The latest changes to unity seem to take over the panels and windows in Xubuntu if both desktops are installed
[21:22] <seb128> DBO, skaet, pitti: works for me
[21:23] <seb128> highvoltage, it's likely there in Ubuntu as well not sure it's a bug though, we usually respect user settings on upgrade, are you sure the user didn't switch to another background and back to the default one?
[21:23] <seb128> charlie-tca, is xubuntu using compiz nowadays?
[21:24] <DBO> seb128, :)
[21:24] <charlie-tca> nope
[21:24] <seb128> charlie-tca, why unity would break something which has nothing to do? it's just compiz code
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I was hoping you could tell me why gnome is taking over from xfce
[21:25] <highvoltage> seb128: I'm dead-sure, since I've done it about 16 times on brand new Edubuntu installations during beta1 and beta2 testing
[21:26] <highvoltage> seb128: and it affects gdm's wallpaper as well, which isn't ideal imho. a user might suspect that the upgrade process didn't complete
[21:27] <seb128> highvoltage, trying pinging didrocks when he's online tomorrow he's the one who wrote the background caching code
[21:29] <seb128> ok
[21:29] <highvoltage> seb128: I just confirmed with stgraber's ubuntu machine, the bug is present on ubuntu too
[21:30] <seb128> DBO, skaet, pitti: the fix is pushed to the packaging vcs if you want to test, I'm closing IRC for a round of testing and will upload in a bit if it works fine
[21:30] <seb128> highvoltage, yeah, not a surprise, it's a gnome-desktop bug
[21:30] <pitti> seb128: awesome, thanks
[21:30] <seb128> if you want to reassign there
[21:30] <seb128> brb
[21:38] <mterry> tedg, what do you mean about bamf not approving anything?
[21:39] <skaet> seb128,  just tested it with DBO's help on the system I reported it from.   Fix works for LO test, and for FireFox test (that I ran into it).
[21:39] <tedg> mterry, That interface was used when the quicklists on Unity were registered with indicator-application-service.
[21:39] <tedg> mterry, BAMF isn't using it currently.
[21:39] <tedg> mterry, The quicklists were moved to an entirely custom interface.
[21:40] <mterry> tedg, so you're saying that no approver is ever registered right now?
[21:41] <tedg> mterry, I believe so.  Probably should double check the code actually got dropped from BAMF, but that was the plan.
[21:42] <tedg> DBO, BAMF dropped it's approver code to indicator-application-service, right?
[21:43] <DBO> tedg, well i think right now it's just failing gracefully
[21:43] <DBO> why?
[21:43] <DBO> i didn't want to break backward compat with maverick
[21:44] <tedg> DBO, mterry has a fix for the interface so I was saying we should not put it in for natty as the interface is unused.
[21:44] <tedg> DBO, So it just says "okay" to everyone then?
[21:44] <DBO> uhm
[21:44]  * DBO double checks
[21:45] <DBO> yeah
[21:45] <mterry> tedg, it looks like the code is still in bamf to register itself as an approver
[21:45] <DBO> it should blindly approve
[21:45] <DBO> it is
[21:45] <mterry> tedg, in which case my branch is still useful
[21:46] <tedg> mterry, Yup.
[21:46] <DBO> but the approve isn't useful anymore
[21:46] <DBO> we could rip it all out
[21:46] <tedg> I think it'd be less overall code changes (CD delta-bits) to take mterry's patch.
[21:46] <tedg> Which is what we should be striving for at this point.
[21:54] <Sweetshark>  /win 3
[22:10] <seb128> re
[22:11] <seb128> DBO, skaet, pitti: ok, works fine for me and uploaded
[22:11] <pitti> \o/
[22:11] <skaet> :)
[22:11] <pitti> I already checked the diff in bzr
[22:12] <DBO> thanks guys
[22:12] <seb128> DBO, thank you for fixing it!
[22:12] <pitti> extra beer for DBO!
[22:12] <DBO> I am sorry that bug took so long to find and kill
[22:12] <skaet> DBO, +1 on that extra beer. Thanks!
[22:12] <pitti> yeah, really, do have a bad conscience about fixing bugs under pressure!
[22:24] <rickspencer3> seb128, you uploaded bamf? what for
[22:24] <rickspencer3> j/k
[22:26] <seb128> rickspencer3, thanks for asking, I figured that beta2 seemed to be too stable and that we couldn't keep it this way since it's no fun, so "surprise" :-)
[22:27] <highvoltage> it's "spookily calm"? :)
[22:27] <rickspencer3> thanks seb128
[22:27] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, you're welcome ;-)
[22:28] <rickspencer3> seb128, next time, may I suggest an xorg-xserver update?
[22:29] <seb128> hum, that would be fun as well I guess but let's see next time ;-)
[22:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: you still think in the wrong categories
[22:34] <pitti> gnome-shell!
[22:34] <rickspencer3> pitti, ah, true true
[22:35] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, bamf is the last upload, time to spin beta 2?
[22:35] <pitti> rickspencer3: yep, I just set up the magic image build queue from hell (http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/buildqueue.txt)
[22:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: desktops block on bamf, alternates on ltsp, armels on ubiquity
[22:36] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[22:36] <rickspencer3> I hear from pgraner that beta 2 has been well smoked test, wubi has been tested, etc...
[22:36] <pitti> so I can go to bed now, and everythign should magically build itself over night
[22:36] <rickspencer3> and now we have all of tomorrow to verify it
[22:36] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[22:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: wubi still has some bad reports
[22:37] <rickspencer3> frickin' wubi
[22:37] <rickspencer3> 'night pitti!
[22:37] <pitti> rickspencer3: bug 758614
[22:38] <pitti> and bug 758411
[22:55] <pitti> good night everyone
[23:04] <chrisccoulson> yay, finally - http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/cedar/pushloghtml?changeset=fdd8cf56674f
[23:04] <chrisccoulson> \o/
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> does anyone know who looks after apt.ubuntu.com?
[23:30] <rickspencer3> RAOF, hey, can you please look at bug 758307 ?
[23:32] <seb128> rickspencer3, the bug was a compiz one and got fixed by smspillaz|z today
[23:32] <rickspencer3> dang it
[23:32] <rickspencer3> you guys kepp stealing my thunder
[23:32] <seb128> ;-)
[23:32] <rickspencer3> jono:
 RAOF, hey, can you please look at bug 758307 ?
 Launchpad bug 758307 in unity (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed on initial load of Java Citrix Client" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758307
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 rickspencer3, the bug was a compiz one and got fixed by smspillaz|z today
[23:33] <seb128> rickspencer3, you can try the debs with the fix on http://people.canonical.com/~davidbarth/
[23:33] <seb128> rickspencer3, I confirmed it fixes the crash with unison-gtk
[23:33] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, wfm
[23:34] <seb128> rickspencer3, well just saying
[23:34] <seb128> rickspencer3, those will land in natty on thursday
[23:34] <seb128> they fixed the chromium refresh issues in the same deb and a stacking issue
[23:35] <seb128> rickspencer3, btw better to bounce the bugs through the team that pinging people directly to avoid duplicating work
[23:35] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, normally I wouldn't do it at all
[23:35] <seb128> rickspencer3, you are lucky I was still around to catch this one ;-)
[23:36] <rickspencer3> I was just responding to someone who was asking for help getting it looked at asap
[23:36] <rickspencer3> seb128, but point taken
[23:36] <rickspencer3> I was told RAOF was already looking at it
[23:37] <seb128> he's looking at an xorg lock from what's been told
[23:37] <seb128> but maybe he was working on that wall as well, anyway smspillaz fixed it today
[23:37] <rickspencer3> seb128, not to crack the whip here, but is there a reason the bug wasn't set to Fixed?
[23:38] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/compiz/trunk.fix_758307/+merge/57313
[23:38] <seb128> rickspencer3, it seems they didn't land the fix to trunk yet, the fix was set up for review today
[23:39] <rickspencer3> well, it was still NEW
[23:39] <rickspencer3> seb128, not complaining, just saying ...
[23:39] <seb128> seems an overview, feel free to set it to fix commited
[23:39] <seb128> rickspencer3, you are right
[23:39] <seb128> well in its defence sam pulled the fix out late and went to bed directly
[23:40] <rickspencer3> seb128, right ...
[23:40] <rickspencer3> not defense needed
[23:40] <rickspencer3> I was just asking
[23:40] <seb128> but keep pointing crashes you are told about please ;-)
[23:40] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, I am looking for somehting to panic about
[23:40] <rickspencer3> otherwise, I don't feel I am working
[23:40] <seb128> lol
[23:41] <jono> :-)
[23:41] <seb128> do you want me to do another upload and ask for a beta2 respin before going to bed? ;-)
[23:41] <seb128> I'm sure I can find something to break^W fix still :)
[23:41] <rickspencer3> dammit seb128 I'm on the phone here, don't make me lol
[23:42] <seb128> ;-)
[23:47] <seb128> ok, enough for today, 'night everybody