| j1mc | hallo. anyone around? | 02:27 |
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| shaunm | hi j1mc | 02:32 |
| j1mc | hi shaunm | 02:41 |
| j1mc | shaunm: i'm working ubuntu docs... from the gnome help, i really like the user and system settings layout | 02:42 |
| j1mc | what do you think about it? | 02:42 |
| shaunm | the grid layout on prefs.page? | 02:49 |
| shaunm | I'm really liking that layout more and more for those kinds of guides | 02:49 |
| * shaunm does a bzr merge, hopes that's the right command | 02:50 | |
| j1mc | shaunm: here's a video: http://blip.tv/file/5007376 | 02:54 |
| j1mc | shaunm: try this: http://blip.tv/file/get/J1mc-Ubuntu1104HelpDraft735.ogv | 02:57 |
| shaunm | this is nice | 02:58 |
| j1mc | i was re-working the networking help to be like that, but it's a lot of work. | 03:00 |
| j1mc | and i wanted to get feedback before i did it. | 03:00 |
| j1mc | any idea how stuff like "orca" handles that? | 03:00 |
| shaunm | that's a good question | 03:04 |
| shaunm | I could see that pile of links as being meaningless when read by a screen reader | 03:05 |
| j1mc | yeah. | 03:05 |
| shaunm | I might need to put in some tagging to make navigation easier | 03:05 |
| j1mc | is the approach you've been talking about on the gnome list any better in that regard? | 03:06 |
| shaunm | maybe piggyback on title navigation. not sure. I'd have to have a chat with joanie | 03:06 |
| shaunm | my patches to gnome-doc-list were basically doing to hardware.page what you already see on prefs.page | 03:06 |
| j1mc | hi mimico | 03:22 |
| mimico | j1mc, hi | 03:24 |
| shaunm | j1mc: can you give me some bzr help? | 16:29 |
| shaunm | I did a 'bzr merge', assuming that would just get me all your changes from the server | 16:30 |
| shaunm | but the changes were applied, but not as commits | 16:30 |
| tsimpson | shaunm: you use "bzr pull" to pull down the changes, "bzr merge" is for merging your working tree with another, which you can then commit | 16:40 |
| shaunm | tsimpson: ah, thanks. so how do I throw away all these uncommitted changes? | 16:49 |
| tsimpson | you should be able to do "bzr revert" to get back to the previous state | 16:49 |
| shaunm | excellent, thanks | 16:50 |
| shaunm | j1mc: http://people.gnome.org/~shaunm/ubuntu/index.html | 17:10 |
| shaunm | I realize the mouseovers are messed up | 17:13 |
| shaunm | actually... | 17:14 |
| shaunm | fixed now | 17:15 |
| j1mc | shaunm: thanks. is it possible to have the left-margin aligned a bit more consistently? The Ubuntu logo and text shows as about two and a half inches more to the left than the mouseover-images and the sections. | 17:21 |
| j1mc | that is how it is on my screen, anyway | 17:21 |
| j1mc | brb | 17:23 |
| shaunm | j1mc: it's 144 pixels, actually. just trying to follow the style guide you sent me, e.g. page 10 | 18:09 |
| j1mc | hm, weird. | 18:11 |
| j1mc | i'm off to lunch w/ a friend, but will check back later. | 18:11 |
| mdke | j1mc: heya, how's it going? | 20:41 |
| mdke | exceptional work you and jbicha are doing | 20:41 |
| j1mc | mdke: thanks. jbicha has been a big help | 20:41 |
| mdke | j1mc: my upload of this morning doesn't appear to have been accepted so I don't know whether we will have something in for beta2. | 20:42 |
| jbicha | thanks, I've just had some extra time and happy to have found an important area to contribute in | 20:42 |
| j1mc | makes sense. | 20:42 |
| mdke | j1mc: but I'd like to upload something asap anyway to fix (a) the screenshot size issue, and (b) if possible any stub pages linked in the index (e.g. addremove) | 20:43 |
| mdke | j1mc: if it doesn't get accepted for beta2, so be it | 20:43 |
| j1mc | exactly | 20:43 |
| j1mc | i'm also doing some work to get some of the old ubuntu help integrated. | 20:43 |
| mdke | ooh, I see a lot of deleted screenshots, cool | 20:44 |
| j1mc | for example, the current help doesn't have any info on add-remove-programs | 20:44 |
| j1mc | i'm doing that work in a separate branch, though | 20:44 |
| mdke | are you still using natty-unity as the main branch? | 20:44 |
| mdke | for me it duplicates the natty branch | 20:44 |
| j1mc | yes, i have been. we can move it to the natty branch, though | 20:46 |
| j1mc | i created a separate working branch for some of the refactoring. | 20:46 |
| mdke | Let's move over to natty, I've been synching them anyway | 20:46 |
| j1mc | ok | 20:47 |
| mdke | I've updated the Makefile for the image deletions | 20:47 |
| j1mc | if you go to the "System Settings" section... I've been working to combine the two networking sections into one | 20:47 |
| j1mc | mdke: great. | 20:47 |
| j1mc | ... so the networking would be just one section with subsections like the "System Settings" link off of the main page. | 20:48 |
| mdke | sounds fine | 20:48 |
| j1mc | with different subsections for wireless, wired, mobile, troubleshooting, web browsing, email, etc. | 20:48 |
| mdke | try to stick as close as reasonable to upstream, in case we do this for the next release as well - it will be easiest to merge in upstream changes and improvements | 20:49 |
| j1mc | so... we should just be pushing to the regular natty branch? not natty-unity? | 20:49 |
| mdke | the greater the diff, the more difficult to resolve a conflict when merging | 20:49 |
| mdke | j1mc: right. I've synched it again just now | 20:49 |
| j1mc | i will try to actually push that change to upstream. i've talked about it with shaun | 20:50 |
| mdke | neat | 20:50 |
| j1mc | : ) | 20:50 |
| j1mc | he has been so helpful | 20:50 |
| mdke | it's easy to do a diff on the upstream branch as well which is lp:gnome-user-docs/master | 20:50 |
| mdke | you have all been doing great work with Gnome docs and yelp - it looks amazing | 20:50 |
| j1mc | i hope we can get the web portion looking nice. | 20:51 |
| mdke | ok, so when should I plan to do the next upload? Should I do one right away or wait for further changes? | 20:51 |
| j1mc | let's review and merge jbicha's changes. :) then do another upload. | 20:52 |
| j1mc | i suppose timing isn't that important now, if we aren't going to make beta 2 | 20:53 |
| mdke | ok. I'll be around for a couple of hours or I can do it before work tomorrow morning | 20:53 |
| j1mc | either way is ok | 20:53 |
| j1mc | thanks, mdke | 20:53 |
| mdke | j1mc: I think that's true. We're writing off translations anyway as they will have no chance this cycle | 20:53 |
| mdke | so timing doesn't matter too much | 20:53 |
| j1mc | :/ i'm glad david has been ok with it. we'll just have to be good about post-release updates. | 20:54 |
| mdke | j1mc: what do you think about using ubuntu-docs as a "If you are using the Classic Gnome desktop" help centre | 20:54 |
| j1mc | i think that's a good idea | 20:54 |
| j1mc | would you mind sorting out that packaging? | 20:54 |
| mdke | ok, so we could do a short index at something like "/usr/share/gnome/help/gnome-classic-index/C/gnome-classic-index.xml" in docbook which lists the other documents | 20:55 |
| mdke | add that to the package and upload it in otherwise identical form to maverick | 20:55 |
| mdke | you could then refer to the link ghelp:gnome-classic-index somewhere in gnome-user-docs to show it to people | 20:56 |
| j1mc | mdke: yeah, i think so. of course, if there have been updates to it... those should be included. i think the entities were changed to reflect natty | 20:56 |
| mdke | sure | 20:56 |
| mdke | I'll do ubuntu-docs then | 20:56 |
| j1mc | yes... that would be no problem. cool! | 20:56 |
| jbicha | so how do I switch my parent branch from natty-unity to natty? | 20:58 |
| j1mc | jbicha: good question | 20:59 |
| mdke | jbicha: you don't need to | 20:59 |
| mdke | if you are working on a branch, you can continue to push to that and we can just merge from it when pulling in your changes | 20:59 |
| mdke | then merge from natty into your branch whenever there are changes to natty | 21:00 |
| jbicha | but I generally just do bzr pull to get the latest stuff | 21:00 |
| mdke | for that you would need to get the natty branch onto your system and work from that | 21:01 |
| j1mc | jbicha: i think bzr pull lp:~ [new path] would work | 21:01 |
| mdke | that's sort of the conventional non-distributed vcs approach | 21:01 |
| mdke | (as I understand it, I'm not a bzr expert) | 21:01 |
| jbicha | ah, there we go, bzr pull --remember switches it | 21:01 |
| j1mc | i'll be back later, all. | 21:16 |
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