[01:26] <Fudge> hi, any known issues with 4.2.1 regarding gnome-orca
[14:01] <magcius> so uh
[14:01] <magcius> how do we map to the new channel system?
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> haven't figured that out yet ;)
[16:48] <micahg_> hi fta
[17:02] <fta> micahg_, hi
[17:02] <fta> my router at home was dead. just exchanged it
[17:03] <micahg_> ah, sorry to hear that
[17:05] <fta> apparently, no one cared about bug 692462
[17:05] <fta> jcastro, ^^
[17:05] <jcastro> fta: trevino told me it's working for him
[17:05] <fta> really?
[17:05] <jcastro> I didn't see your update
[17:05] <jcastro> I can test
[17:06] <fta> jcastro, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/692462/comments/18
[17:06] <jcastro> trying now
[17:07] <micahg_> fta: so, we're going to do the chromium update since it doesn't seem like upstream will fix the password issue any time soon
[17:07] <jcastro> hey bfiller
[17:07] <jcastro> bfiller: fta's got a fix for chromium for webapps, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/692462/comments/18
[17:07] <jcastro> bfiller: I am trying it now
[17:07] <micahg_> fta: what do you think about a NEWS file for the password issue, is it necessary?
[17:07] <fta> micahg_, a NEWS file?
[17:08] <micahg_> fta: yeah, to document the password issue
[17:09] <hackel> Does xulapp-profilemigrator actually do anything other than just rename the old .mozilla/firefox directory to firefox.replaced and copying firefox-4.0 to firefox?
[17:09] <fta> micahg_, i wonder why we can't just revert the patch that caused that
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> hackel, not really. why?
[17:09] <micahg_> fta: if that's an option, I'm all for it
[17:12] <jcastro> fta: nope, doesn't work. :(
[17:12] <jcastro> let me ask trevino to look at it
[17:12] <jcastro> now that you have it in a PPA
[17:12] <hackel> chrisccoulson: I just want to know what exactly it's doing, in case I should back up my 1.8G .mozilla directory first!
[17:14] <fta> jcastro, but the ch part is correct, right? (ie, dedicated wm class both at runtime and in the desktop file)
[17:15] <jcastro> StartupWMClass=mail.google.com__mail_u_0
[17:15] <jcastro> that's what we need right?
[17:15] <fta> jcastro, should match "xprop | grep CLASS"
[17:16] <jcastro> WM_CLASS(STRING) = "mail.google.com__mail_u_0", "Chromium-browser"
[17:16] <fta> looks ok to me
[17:16] <jcastro> ok I will put that in the b ug
[17:18] <fta> jcastro, also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/+bug/744972  comment 6, 7, ...
[17:25] <fta> hm, i have to fix the dailies too. they did something to the gtk3 resize corner
[17:26] <jcastro> fta: ah so I guess trevino's fix is crashing something so jason's not committing all of it. They need to talk
[17:26]  * jcastro goes to grease those wheels
[17:30] <fta> jcastro, ok, let me know. i want to upgrade ch stable in natty asap with backports of xdg-utils + wm-class + maybe this resize corner thingy
[17:30]  * jcastro nods
[17:33] <micahg_> fta: I'd like to get out the chromium update by thursday if we can, so do you think you can find the offending commit?
[17:38] <jcastro> fta: he's ready to go but he has exams and can't get to it this week
[17:39] <fta> hm
[17:45] <dpm> hi m_conley, all set for the Ubuntu App Developer Week session later on?
[17:45] <m_conley> dpm: I am indeed
[17:45] <dpm> m_conley, excellent, thanks!
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, are you giving a session?
[17:48] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yep - just a little talk on how I use JSCtypes to do the TB integration
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> cool!
[17:48] <fta> jcastro, micahg: uhh! http://codereview.chromium.org/6812037
[17:49] <jcastro> !!!!!
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i'm going to start playing around with that this week (once the dust settles in natty)
[17:49] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: awesome! :D
[17:50] <fta> jcastro, not sure i'll be able to backport that to ch10/stable though. ch12/trunk changed a lot since :P
[17:51] <jcastro> well, they rev every 6 weeks so it's not like we have to wait that long for the next stable
[17:51] <micahg> is this good or bad?
[17:52] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: fta's find reminds me that we should really try to get globalmenu-extension integrated as soon as we can.  Do you have any cycles for that in the coming week or so?
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, sure, can do.
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how to submit it though, as it's going to be a pretty big patch
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> and i know how long things take to get reviewed ;)
[18:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: mmhmm, I know.  :/
[18:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: often though, the problem is not finding the right reviewer
[19:07] <fta> chrisccoulson, it seems the port i did of your xdg-utils fix doesn't work :S
[19:09] <fta> not sure why
[21:20] <micahg> fta: so, what should we do with chromium, do you think you can track down the commit?
[21:30] <fta> micahg, i'll have a look tomorrow
[21:30] <fta> jcastro, you can test the globalmenu in ch daily now
[21:30] <jcastro> I saw on omg
[21:30] <fta> jcastro, but upstream asked me not to backport it, it's not stable
[21:31] <jcastro> yeah that's a good idea. :)
[21:35] <fta> jcastro, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=75485  are you seeing this?
[21:37] <jcastro> fta: that's my screenshot. :)
[21:37] <jcastro> yeah, I still get that unless I use system borders
[21:38] <micahg> fta: thanks
[21:57] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLDMz_e2jQ   ~ 17:50
[22:10] <hackel> Where do I put default prefs in FF4?  I've tried /etc/firefox/pref/firefox.js and /etc/firefox/profile/prefs.js to no avail.  I'm trying to set privacy.donottrackheader.enabled system-wide for all profiles.
[22:18] <chrisccoulson> fta - i can't look at it yet. my daughter is asleep so i don't really want to turn the volume up on my laptop, and i can't find my headphones anywhere ;)
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> i'll need to move downstairs in a bit
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> hackel, you can't
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> (although, you can probably set them in ubufox instead)
[22:20] <hackel> chrisccoulson: Why, was this capability was removed?  A huge number of people rely on this!
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> hackel, you're the first person to mention it
[22:22] <chrisccoulson> the reason is, all browser chrome and preferences are bundled in a single jar file now, to help startup time
[22:22] <chrisccoulson> i'm not convinced that a huge number of people depend on it ;)
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> it's been like that for months already and nobody else mentioned anything
[22:23] <hackel> chrisccoulson: Ah, I see.  I've found lots of  people administering FF in controlled environments (corporate, schools, etc.) who need to use that functionality to adhere to different policies, etc.  I don't have that problem thankfully, so I'll just try setting it in ubufox.
[22:25] <hackel> chrisccoulson: It worked fine, thanks!
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> fta, hmmm, that guy has some interesting points, but he contradicts himself in places :/
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> like, he says how much he hates workspaces, and then he goes on to say how unity should remove the minimize buttons like in gnome-shell....
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> ...but the lack of minimize buttons in gnome-shell is because you can just use workspaces instead ;)
[22:48] <fta> iirc, he said he uses the dash to raise apps
[22:48] <fta> or the panel
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i think the lack of minimize without any way to easily create a new workspace would be pretty horrible
[22:48] <fta> i don't use minimize
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> it's possible in gnome-shell because if you want a clean work area, you can just create one
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> i use minimize quite a bit ;)
[22:49] <fta> and i barely use fullscreen
[22:49] <fta> but i raise / lower a lot
[22:49] <fta> and i have 7 workspaces
[22:49] <fta> fully loaded
[23:22] <fta> micahg, fyi, security update of ch10 expected tomorrow or thursday
[23:23] <micahg> fta: ok, so, if you can find the commit before then, we can just do one upload
[23:23] <micahg> fta: also, I'm off mon-wed next week
[23:24] <fta> k
[23:24] <micahg> fta: thanks
[23:52] <chrisccoulson> hah - http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a95d42642281
[23:54] <micahg> ugh
[23:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you running trunk now?
[23:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg, on-and-off
[23:59] <chrisccoulson> i haven't updated in a few days though