[01:10] <rww> I remember Lynoure! I think!
[01:11] <rww> I still don't think we need ubottu factoids for random non-Ubuntu events :<
[01:12] <rww> I don't think anyone ever is going to be "Software Freedom Day! What day is that! There's probably an ubottu factoid!" :<
[01:14] <LjL> you're right, but for the same reason, i can't see it hurting very much
[01:22] <Flannel> !scope
[01:23]  * h00k waves
[01:23] <LjL> hi
[01:54] <rww> so, how's that ubottu-eir integration going?
[03:00] <nhandler> rww: Last I heard, tsimpson is still working on it, but he had some issues that he was working to overcome.
[03:55] <Logan_> nickals should be kicked for spamming in #ubuntu
[03:55] <Logan_> oh, okay, rww is taking care of it, nvm
[06:01] <mneptok> when i was crazy, i thought you were great.
[06:38] <bazhang> not telling people how to do hackintosh is driving away new Ubuntu users, apparently
[06:40] <bazhang> nice editing of the facts in #freenode
[06:41] <rww> wait what. Not telling people how to install an OS that isn't Ubuntu drives away new Ubuntu users?
[06:41] <rww> I'll go put "Give out Windows CDs" on my LoCo's meeting agenda.
[06:41] <rww> bug 1 will be solved in no time!
[06:41] <bazhang> putting snow leopard on a usb stick using ubuntu tools
[06:41] <rww> thanks ubottu
[06:42] <rww> Startup Disk Thing only works for Ubuntu ISOs anyway, ne?
[06:42] <bazhang> well officially yes
[06:53] <pankaj_sharma> hi there
[06:53] <rww> hello
[06:53] <pankaj_sharma> is there any offtopic channel?
[06:53] <rww> pankaj_sharma: #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:54] <pankaj_sharma> thanks
[07:48] <Corey> Droof is also trolling #debian, FYI.
[07:49] <rww> thanks
[07:49] <Corey> rww: No worries.
[07:49]  * Tm_T is keeping a close eye
[07:49] <rww> Tm_T: I'll let you take over, then. It's sleep time for me.
[07:50] <Tm_T> rww: sleep well (:
[07:50] <rww> 'nini
[08:14] <Fudge> hi can i report an abusive user from #ubuntu here
[08:15] <Tm_T> sure
[08:15] <Fudge> the user is droof
[08:15] <Fudge> just being a mouth and some bad language
[08:16] <Tm_T> ah, him, sorry, was occupied for a moment in elsewhere
[08:16] <Tm_T> sorted now
[08:16] <Tm_T> Fudge: thanks for notifying (:
[08:17] <Fudge> my pleausre, thank you for such a quick response
[08:21] <Tm_T> reasonable guidance in PM didn't help, meh
[08:48] <Tm_T> why I have a feeling that sri is there just to stir up
[09:10] <eamon_> Hi can I be unbanned from #ubuntu please?
[09:12] <Tm_T> eamon_: hi, one moment and I'll try to catch the logs
[09:12] <Tm_T> eamon_: ok, you're aware of why you are banned?
[09:13] <eamon_> Tm_T: It'll be under "eamon"
[09:13] <eamon_> yes
[09:13] <Tm_T> what was it?
[09:15] <eamon_> I called intel's drivers shitty compared to linux, then I said poop when ikonia told me that was not an appropriate way to describe them
[09:15] <eamon_> I called intel's drivers shitty compared to windows versions, then I said poop when ikonia told me that was not an appropriate way to describe them
[09:16] <Tm_T> eamon_: and you are aware that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated?
[09:17] <eamon_> Yes
[09:17] <Tm_T> eamon_: have you read our channel guidelines?
[09:17] <eamon_> Actually, yes
[09:20] <Tm_T> eamon_: you will promise that you keep all bad language and ranting off the #ubuntu ?
[09:20] <eamon_> Certainly. I've learned my lesson.
[09:22] <Tm_T> eamon_: ok, I'll discuss this with Ikonia still, can you come back in 24 hours?
[09:22] <eamon_> ok
[09:22] <Tm_T> thanks
[09:22] <eamon_> thank you Tm_T
[09:24] <Tm_T> eamon_: ok, feel free to leave the channel and come back tomorrow (:
[09:40] <ikonia> hello linuxtech
[09:42] <linuxtech> hi
[09:42] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[09:43] <linuxtech> I was wondering how one might add a channel or two.  It sounds like they have a backlog at orc.freenode.net.
[09:44] <linuxtech> irc, not orc, I should go to bed...
[09:44] <ikonia> add a channel or two ? in what respect ?
[09:44] <linuxtech> I want to create a derivative.
[09:45] <ikonia> well thats not an #ubuntu name space channel, so if you ask in #freenode what their guidelines/policies are in line with what you want to do, I'm sure a staff member can help
[09:45] <linuxtech> derivative of Ubuntu, that is.
[09:46] <ikonia> the channel won't be part of the official #ubuntu name space though, so it's not really an ubuntu issue
[09:46] <ikonia> the guys in #freenode maybe able to help
[09:47] <linuxtech> I am sure they will, but like it said on their site they have a backlog and it could take a while.
[09:47] <linuxtech> Thanks.
[09:47] <ikonia> their policies are quite loose but it won't hurt to help
[09:47] <ikonia> s/help/check
[09:48] <linuxtech> OK Thanks and Good Night!
[09:48] <ikonia> night
[16:24]  * Pici tries to remember why dejan was banned
[16:24] <marienz> ah, you're paying attention :)
[16:25] <Pici> Sometimes ;)
[16:25] <LjL> most always
[16:25] <Pici> Well not enough to remember why he was banned.
[16:25] <Pici> (I have '#ubuntu' on highlight in #freenode)
[16:26] <LjL> Pici: anyway i don't really know why he was originally banned, but i do know he ban dodged and did other stuff quite maliciously thereafter...
[16:26] <LjL> when he came here he seemed just overenthusiastic and enter-happy, but i'm not sure that's all there is to it
[16:26] <Pici> LjL: Its not good when theres over a page of bans on the BT and the first is only from the beginning of March
[16:28] <marienz> keyUp was being not terribly coherent from that address on 2011-03-31
[16:29] <marienz> ahhh, *that* guy
[16:30] <marienz> he was complaining about getting banned from #httpd in #freenode earlier
[16:30] <marienz> I think he sometimes half-diagnoses problems, not necessarily correctly, and doesn't respond well to people trying to point out his assumptions are incorrect
[16:31] <IdleOne> it was his brother
[16:31] <IdleOne> don't any of you read the logs?
[16:32] <Pici> I see flooding, offering people $100 to fix his issues, calling all of us 'slaves', and instead of answering questions when people are trying to troubleshoot, he just repeats his own question again.
[16:32] <IdleOne> that sounds about right
[16:32] <IdleOne> and ban dodging
[16:32] <Pici> And I only checked dejan and keyup, not the rest of his aliases.
[16:36] <ikonia> ahhh dejan
[16:39] <Pici> ikonia: Yep.  Claimed you banned him for reporting a bug,.
[16:40] <Pici> Although then he changed his story a few times, so.. /shrug
[16:44] <IdleOne> last time he joined he claimed it was his brother. I told him to come back in 48 hours, that would be tomorrow.
[16:44] <ikonia> waste of time liar
[16:44] <Pici> Yep.
[16:44] <IdleOne> I just report the news
[16:44] <IdleOne> don't shoot the messenger :)
[16:47] <LjL> are there volunteers (other than me) for coaching ryaxnb? where coaching basically means asking him to stop (and then waiting for his PM i guess) when you or an op feels he needs to stop. of course it needs to be people that he won't mind doing this, so i'll ask him later (i've already asked him yesterday to think of some people)
[16:49] <IdleOne> LjL: sure, I don't mind poking him when he needs it. If that is ok with him.
[17:38] <dejan_> can I ask question about ubuntu here as I am banned on #ubuntu
[17:39] <dejan_> how can I see what files and folders are shared?
[17:48] <LjL> i'm sorry but no, you can't
[17:48] <LjL> it is not this channel's purpose
[17:52] <dejan_> :S
[17:52] <dejan_> ok
[17:56] <Pici> Can someone else try with LarsTorben? I'm losing my patience.
[17:58] <jpds> What the hell.
[17:59] <Pici> jpds: eh?
[18:00] <jpds> Just grep'ed my IRC logs for him and he's basically been repeating the same thing over and over again.
[18:00] <jpds> Same thing yesterday.
[18:02] <IdleOne> he parted #ubuntu
[18:02] <jpds> Gut.
[18:04] <Pici> jpds: Actually, it looks like he has been asking that same thing since March 15th.
[18:05] <IdleOne> heh
[18:05] <IdleOne> talk about slow to decide
[18:05] <Technoviking> morning all
[18:05] <IdleOne> morning
[18:05] <tsimpson> \o
[18:06] <jpds> Pici: My logs didn't bring anything up from beyond April.
[18:06] <Technoviking> i think go ahead and ban ari-tczew from #ubuntu core channels, send to me or CC if he complains
[18:07] <Technoviking> I have asked twice to leave under his own accord
[18:08] <Technoviking> and told him he could contact the CC about the IRC ban.
[18:08] <tsimpson> I'll get on that then
[18:09] <tsimpson> I'll also send him a memo about it, just in case
[18:09] <Pici> This rescinds the prior decision to keep him unbanned?
[18:12] <Technoviking> Pici: who sent that?
[18:13] <Pici> Technoviking: After I saw the email from the CC, I asked popey who spoke to dholbach about whether we were to ban him from our IRC channels.  (Note, I'm no longer on the IRCC, just an interested party)
[18:14] <maco> Technoviking: and geser and i figured if he wants to idle, meh, but at first sign of trouble implement the bans
[18:14] <Technoviking> My suggestion is for someone from the IRCC to email the CC to get clarification
[18:14] <Pici> Probably a good idea.
[18:14] <maco> namespace bans arent really possible (other than going to every #ubuntu* channel and doing it manually)
[18:15] <IdleOne> not yet
[18:15] <tsimpson> maco: we were talking about only the core channels
[18:15] <maco> but the list of channels he tends to be in is pretty small, afaik... -motu, -devel, etc
[18:15] <maco> ah ok sorry, missed that bit
[18:15] <Pici> tsimpson: I didn't mean to step on toes there, just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page.
[18:15] <Technoviking> I think different CC member see this different, I think you need to force us to come to a clear understanding
[18:15] <Technoviking> and I apoligize for that in advance
[18:15] <tsimpson> Pici: we're all confused :)
[18:16] <maco> (i did see him talk to geser in -motu. couldnt figure out *why* since hes not supposed to be doing development anymore either)
[18:16] <tsimpson> Technoviking: ok, no problem, I'll mail the CC and wait for a response
[18:16] <IdleOne> maco: he isn't allowed to contribute either?
[18:16] <jpds> trollers going to troll.
[18:16] <Technoviking> Pici: I think if we do something of this level in the community we near to be clear
[18:16] <maco> he's supposed to cease participation in the community
[18:17] <IdleOne> wow
[18:17] <maco> i would think the developer community is a sub-community of the ubuntu community
[18:17] <Technoviking> thanks all for keep us (the CC) honest:)
[18:19] <Technoviking> cheers, will get out of your hair
[18:19]  * maco re-reads the email the CC/DMB sent to ari
[18:22] <maco> the email we sent him does state that he'd be banned from irc
[18:26] <Technoviking> oy
[18:27] <maco> hi
[18:27] <maco> Technoviking: may i quote a paragraph from the email that was sent to ari?
[18:27] <Technoviking> sure
[18:27] <maco> the one about him ceasing participation. it DOES include a ban on irc
[18:27] <maco> The Community Council and Developer Membership Board have, together, decided to require you to cease all participation in the Ubuntu community. In the first instance, this will be implemented by a revocation of your Ubuntu membership, upload privileges and a ban from our IRC channels. This applies to all official Ubuntu community activities.
[18:28] <Technoviking> well I think go ahead and ban
[18:29] <maco> i think that clears things up
[18:29] <tsimpson> you know what, I'm going to just email anyway ;)
[18:30] <tsimpson> I consider it to be a little more official when it comes in via email
[18:30] <Technoviking> that is fine
[18:32] <Technoviking> I have to get to a meeting, ping me if you need anything
[20:23] <ryaxnb> hello
[20:23] <ryaxnb> so hows things
[20:23] <ryaxnb> i hear im unbanned
[20:23] <ryaxnb> LjL, hihi
[20:24] <Tm_T> K'day
[20:24] <ryaxnb> so what do we have to talk about before i rejoin?
[20:24] <ryaxnb> =)
[20:25] <LjL> ryaxnb: hi
[20:25] <Pici> I believe  that LjL wanted to speak to you.
[20:25] <ryaxnb> k hi LjL
[20:25] <ryaxnb> so what does ljl want to say
[20:25] <LjL> ryaxnb: i wanted to define the details of this, and also let the ops here who may not all be aware of our discussions know what's going on
[20:25] <ryaxnb> oh Pici i like you too :)
[20:25] <ryaxnb> LjL, sounds good,. im still not 100% clear myself
[20:26] <LjL> ryaxnb: the idea is basically this
[20:26] <LjL> ryaxnb: your ban has been removed, but the general sentiment is that you can be a bit annoying, but at the same time that you're doing it in quite good faith
[20:26] <ryaxnb> ok
[20:26] <ryaxnb> yes, thats true
[20:27] <ryaxnb> i believe in everything i say and all positions i take, and if i am passionate on irc about a position its because im passionate in real life
[20:27] <ryaxnb> of course, if passion is an issue, i can move it to other channels
[20:27] <ryaxnb> that may be a good ide
[20:27] <LjL> ryaxnb: so instead of arguing with ops, i want you to listen to and comply with "stop" instructions given by a bunch of people who are "approved" also by you.
[20:28] <ryaxnb> i gave you a bit of an idea of who i would be ok with on the list but honestly most anyone is ok
[20:28] <LjL> ryaxnb: of course that doesn't mean you must have no objections to stopping. but if you think a request to "stop" is unwarranted, you should comply *anyway* for the time being, and discuss it with the person in PM
[20:28] <ryaxnb> i like most people in #ubuntu-offtopic quite a bit
[20:28] <ryaxnb> thats fine with me
[20:29] <ryaxnb> i usually think, if people are getting frusturated, stopping is a good idea whether "warranted" or not, and someone asking me to stop indicates people are frusturated
[20:29] <LjL> ryaxnb: also i'd like to stress that you really should respect the literal guidelines with extra care now, because if you swear or drift into topics that are !o4o or such, i'm not sure whether anyone can stop action from being taken
[20:29] <ryaxnb> not just that person but if its on the list, presumably hes channeling other peoples feelinggs to
[20:29] <ryaxnb> LjL, ok
[20:30] <ryaxnb> LjL, i think !o4o is well i really dont drift very often anymore
[20:30] <ryaxnb> swearing i need to work on
[20:30] <LjL> ryaxnb: yes, i agree. would you prefer the requests to stop to be in PM (so it's not too public) or in private (so that it's, well, private, but at the same time other people in -ot may not realize you've agreed to stop)?
[20:30] <LjL> i'm personally fine with both solutions
[20:30] <ryaxnb> from my understanding, crap, poop, horsepoop, and suck are ok words
[20:30] <ryaxnb> is that wrong?
[20:31] <ryaxnb> but bitch, fword, sword, etc not ok
[20:31] <ryaxnb> LjL, both are fine
[20:32] <ryaxnb> pm is good
[20:32] <ryaxnb> if i think its neccessary people need to know ive agreed to stop, ill let everyone know with a quick message if thats alright
[20:32] <LjL> ryaxnb: well there isn't really a list of forbidden words, i always make the example of "fuck" being ok when you're talking about the programming language "brainfuck", *as long as* you aren't just doing it in order to say the word itself (like i'm doing now ;)
[20:32] <LjL> ryaxnb: yup that should work
[20:32] <ryaxnb> heh
[20:33] <ryaxnb> er, IF its neccesary
[20:33] <ryaxnb> i.e. in some cases
[20:33] <ryaxnb> :)
[20:33] <ryaxnb> also, who are these people
[20:33] <LjL> ryaxnb: in any case, better be cautious if you aren't sure
[20:33] <ryaxnb> do we have a final list yet?
[20:34] <ryaxnb> LjL, k
[20:34] <LjL> ryaxnb: one thing though. i cannot ask other ops, even the ones you haven't explicitly agreed about, to refrain from telling you to stop if you're breaking the guidelines. so you'd probably still do well to stop no matter who asks, if you don't want to face action (though that's up to you)
[20:34] <ryaxnb> and as for o4o i dont talk about piracy or anything anymore hardly.
[20:34] <LjL> ryaxnb: no not yet, i was eating and i didn't ask the ones you proposed yet
[20:34] <ryaxnb> of course.
[20:34] <ryaxnb> especially if the non-agreed people are ops
[20:35] <LjL> especially in that case, yes :)
[20:35] <ryaxnb> in which case it becomes obvious i should follow their advice
[20:35] <LjL> ryaxnb: in any case, i'll be around for a few hours now, so feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic while i ask around the various folks
[20:35] <ryaxnb> i forget if emulation is o4o.
[20:35] <ryaxnb> emulation is legal, so whats the stat on that?
[20:35] <LjL> ryaxnb: emulation is not o4o, talking about getting illegal ROMs is... though i've seen people complain about Hackintosh being talked about.
[20:36] <LjL> i'm afraid it does depend a bit on who you ask, for certain things.
[20:36] <ryaxnb> k, well using hackintosh is a grey area
[20:36] <tsimpson> emulation is fine, asking where to download illegal copies of games etc is not
[20:36] <ryaxnb> best not to talk about hackintosh in here
[20:36] <ryaxnb> since the drivers used are often illegally modified/cracked
[20:36] <ryaxnb> that can go somewhere else
[20:37] <LjL> ryaxnb: also, if you aren't sure whether it's ok to talk about something in the first place, feel free to ask me or any of those other people who are willing to do this (who we still have to define exactly)
[20:38] <LjL> ryaxnb: the idea is that they would readily accept PMs from you about these things
[20:38] <ryaxnb> k
[20:38] <ryaxnb> great
[20:38] <ryaxnb> ill be joining now if thats ok
[20:38] <LjL> sure
[20:38]  * LjL keeps fingers crossed
[21:12] <LjL> so about ryaxnb, i would like to ask ops as a personal favor if you could, instead of telling him to stop when he's being annoying, ping whoever among these people happens to be around: teadict, IdleOne, Flannel, tsimpson, LjL (one or two more might be added later, but they're not around for me to ask them now)
[21:12] <LjL> of course if none of them is around, or he's blatantly violating the guidelines, or you just don't feel like doing me a personal favor :P ignore this, not trying to impose anything on anybody
[21:12] <LjL> do you think i should mail the list about this?
[21:13] <IdleOne> no
[21:13] <IdleOne> this is an IRC thing
[21:13] <IdleOne> doesn't need to go on the ML imo
[21:14] <LjL> ok. i meant just to get everyone here who might not be looking at the channel right now on the same page
[21:14] <popey> /9/12
[21:14] <popey> bah!
[22:41] <genii-around> rww: That was my next move, trying to shuffle the petition-talk to -ot :)