[00:00] <hallyn> zul: oh sorry, yeah.  the libvirt patch worked (in fact is necessary with my lxcguest patch)
[00:01] <zul> hallyn: ok cool just wanted to make sure
[00:01] <hallyn> zul: so how should we go about this?
[00:01] <hallyn> keep this in ppa?
[00:02] <hallyn> or push for natty?
[00:02] <zul> hallyn: push for natty after the beta
[00:02] <hallyn> after beta2?
[00:02] <hallyn> ok - can you link your bzr tree to the bug?
[00:03] <hallyn> (i haven't seen an email go by from lp so am assuming you ahven't yet)
[00:03] <zul> i willl tonight
[00:04] <hallyn> cool, thx - ttyl
[00:14] <zul> SpamapS:  the php-fpm bug? i think i fixed it in last update
[00:18] <SpamapS> zul: its not fixed. exit 1 still means the package can't be installed
[00:19] <zul> SpamapS: damn it..
[00:19] <zul> can you queue something up?
[00:19] <SpamapS> zul: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-php/php.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b4a9e9ba45b147c428f70e8b3ef508daad11246
[00:20] <SpamapS> zul: looks like they set it to /tmp by default
[00:21] <zul> SpamapS: it is
[00:21] <zul> SpamapS: cool do it
[00:21] <SpamapS> zul: we're in hard freeze so uploads will just sit in the queue until its unfrozen yes?
[00:21] <zul> SpamapS: afaik yes
[00:38] <mndo> hi
[00:39] <mndo> i have a karmic server that needs php 5.3 anyone knows any good repo?
[00:42] <SpamapS> mndo: you may want to update to 10.04 .. karmic will stop getting security updates in a few weeks.
[00:43] <mndo> SpamapS, i know, this server will be decommissioned soon but right now i need php 5.3 on it
[00:44] <SpamapS> mndo: you can always try downloading the source package from natty/maverick/lucid and building it on karmic
[00:45] <SpamapS> mndo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/php5
[01:00] <jeeves_moss> I have a bind9 server setup with internal/external domains, but I can't the DNS server to serve up EXTERNAL DNS names for other sites.  How can I get my local DNS server to forward requests upstream?
[01:03] <zim> Hi all. Having problem creating a raid 1 from 2 x 2TB drives. info: ubuntu-server 10.04.1 -> create a 2tb raid partion on each drive --> create raid tick sdb1 and sdc1 ---> all good ---> Try to format to ext4 it starts at 33% and has been there for 3 hours :(
[01:04] <zim> any ideas?
[01:29] <jeeves_moss> does anyone know why BIND would be doing this?   client 192.168.1.12#59843: view internal: query (cache) 'teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com/A/IN' denied"
[01:30] <pmatulis_> zim: don't you need a swap partition?  anyway, check you logs
[01:33] <qman__> zim, if you're using green drives or a PCI disk controller, that's normal
[01:54] <juanito1> que dia sale la version oficial de
[01:54] <juanito1> ubuntu
[01:57] <juanito1> alguien sabe ?
[01:59] <pmatulis_> !english | juanito1
[01:59] <twb> !es
[02:07] <smoser> jamespage, when you see this, the ubuntu-server ec2 builds of '20110411.1' (or by the time you see it '20110412' will have the kernel we want to test)
[02:12] <twb> My ubuntu servers are frequently experiencing hangs when you run simple commands like "ls" when the system is under heavy I/O load.
[02:13] <twb> I suspect this is because the default I/O scheduler for .32-server is deadline (instead of CFQ).  *WHY* was deadline chosen for a server kernel config?
[02:13] <patdk-lap> deadline or noop is normally perferred for servers
[02:14] <patdk-lap> assuming your server has anything more than a single drive
[02:16] <twb> patdk-lap: even when it's a shell server?
[02:17] <twb> What's happening is that as I add bloated useless services like mysql and apache2, simple shell commands are being starved of I/O
[02:17] <patdk-lap> well, if you have a raid card, or san or anything
[02:17] <patdk-lap> it won't matter to change the order in the kernel
[02:17] <patdk-lap> cause the controller will redo it
[02:17] <twb> I'm using md (linux software) RAID1 of 3×2TB SATA drives
[02:18] <patdk-lap> not sure what level it interacts with soft-raid
[02:18] <patdk-lap> you could try using cfq and cgroups
[02:18] <twb> I also noticed the same behaviour on a new 10.04 server which was doing *nothing* but converting a 40GB vmdk to a .img
[02:18] <patdk-lap> but you need like the natty kernel for that to work
[02:18] <twb> Yeah, actually I am using cgroups out the wazoo, because it's a LXC container server
[02:19] <patdk-lap> I've been fighting with how to solve my io issue :)
[02:19] <patdk-lap> I want my servers to do a MAX of 100iops
[02:19] <twb> Do you know if there's a way to say "echo cfq > /sys/device/ALL/scheduler" rather than having to list each block device separately?
[02:20] <twb> I have lots of LVM LVs, and I create and destroy them pretty often
[02:20] <patdk-lap> a for loop? :)
[02:20] <twb> Bah
[02:20] <patdk-lap> add it to the create script?
[02:21] <patdk-lap> I know I did that with xen
[02:21] <twb> That's plan B :-(
[02:21] <twb> Still better than recompiling the kernel I guess
[02:38] <pmatulis_> specify the scheduler as a kernel option?
[02:45] <twb> You mean in the boot: line?
[02:50] <twb> pmatulis_: ^
[02:53] <twb> Hooray, got permission to try CFQ on production host
[03:12] <donnie> Does any one use vlc as dedicated video server?
[03:12] <twb> patdk-lap: guess what
[03:12] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ#I.2FO_scheduler <-- looks like I'm doing it right
[03:16] <patdk-lap> I still wonder how that scales
[03:17] <patdk-lap> most tests poeple post, and my own testing
[03:17] <patdk-lap> cfq generally isn't that good for a server
[03:17] <patdk-lap> but guess your doing shell type stuff
[03:17] <patdk-lap> and cfq is good for desktop
[03:19] <twb> We will see
[04:23] <cmdbbq> i have ordered a dreamplug running ubuntu server and i have some questions in setting it up. it does not seem to  have a standard install and so i was wondering if anyone here had any first hand experience
[04:27] <ruben23> hi guyd what firewall you can recommedn for ubuntu server any idea
[04:31] <ruben23> any firewall recommended for ubuntu server..?
[04:37] <cmdbbq> sorry about that
[04:42] <ScottK> ruben23: It comes with ufw by default.  So that's the one that's recommended.
[04:45] <Rahoul> Hi I would like to start coherence automatically on ubuntu server after startup. Ive been looking at Upstart but I am not sure how to write a script. I would like to start with basics. Coherence is usually executed using "coherence -d" Any thoughts??
[04:47] <twb> I got a new switch (HP Procurve).  It only speaks TIMEP or SMTP to get time, *not* NTP.
[04:47] <twb> Rather than installing inetd on my server, can I simply tell my ntpd to also serve timep?
[04:47] <SpamapS> twb: WHA?
[04:47] <SpamapS> twb: every procurve I've had does NTP
[04:48] <twb> Ah, $coworker tells me apparently "SMTP" in that context is a strict subset of NTP
[04:48] <SpamapS> and I'd count that in the range of 40 or so switches ranging across at least 5 models
[04:48] <SpamapS> SMTP or SNTP ?
[04:48] <SpamapS> mine would pick up a broadcasted time
[04:48] <twb> Er, yes
[04:48] <twb> brain fart
[04:49] <twb> All good now
[04:50] <twb> He said "SNTP", I heard "SNMP", and I wrote "SMTP" because I've been dealing with mail all day
[04:50] <SpamapS> :-D
[04:51] <SpamapS> twb: for most needs, procurves are equal to anything cisco makes that is approximately 2x the price
[04:51] <twb> That's why we got it
[04:51] <cmdbbq> so, here is the thing: I need some networking advice for a device with mutliple network devices (1 WLAN and 2  ethernet ports) that is only reachable by ssh. basically, I am connected to an ad hoc put u=out by the device which then needs to connect to my router via one of the ethernet ports. once i have it on my local wireless i intend to disable the wireless network, but that is my only way to access it until it is functioning prop
[04:51] <twb> on ebay of all things
[04:52] <SpamapS> cmdbbq: what is "an ad hoc put u=out" ?
[04:52] <cmdbbq> SpamapS: me having poor typing skillz :p
[04:53] <cmdbbq> the device puts out an ad hoc network (guessing with termonology) that i can connect to and then ssh into 192.168.1.1
[04:53] <SpamapS> cmdbbq: ad hoc wifi you mean?
[04:53] <cmdbbq> yes
[04:53] <SpamapS> ah
[04:53] <SpamapS> so the device has an ethernet connection to the router already
[04:54] <SpamapS> just isn't configured?
[04:54] <twb> As opposed to infrastructure
[04:54] <SpamapS> which one is running Ubuntu ?
[04:54] <cmdbbq> the device is connected to the router by ethernet cable
[04:54] <cmdbbq> it says it is running ubuntu
[04:54] <cmdbbq> server
[04:55] <SpamapS> cmdbbq: alright. So.. you need to know how to give it a static IP on the ethernet port?
[04:56] <cmdbbq> i brought the interface down (ifdown) and then up (ifup) and it chooses 192.168.1.16 (outside the routers range) and claims the network is unreachable
[04:56] <cmdbbq> but, yes, eventually i would like a static ip
[04:57] <cmdbbq> assuming i still just edit /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:58] <cmdbbq> thing is, connected to the wireless ad hoc, i can ping 192.168.1.16, but not connected to the router
[05:02] <cmdbbq> ok, further weirdness, i found an entry for 192.168.1.16 in the routers dhcp table
[05:03] <cmdbbq> still unreachable on that network, but there
[05:04] <cmdbbq> why would the server request an ip address outside the routers normal range?
[05:05] <cmdbbq> wait, nevermind
[05:05] <cmdbbq> the range in the router was changed, 192.168.1.16 is within the range
[05:06] <cmdbbq> resolv.conf shows the proper name server and /etc/network/interfaces looks correct
[05:06] <cmdbbq> i am going to sign off and switch to static ip for eth0, be right back
[05:46] <cmdbbq> i'm back! this is my terminnal output when trying to  bring eth0 up with DHCP and with a static ip: http://pastebin.com/5EzXEjzA
[05:48]  * cmdbbq looks around in desperation 
[05:56] <cmdbbq> ii think the issue must be that both the router and the server locate themselves at 192.168.1.1
[05:57] <cmdbbq> do i have this right?
[06:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> !patience
[06:04] <cmdbbq> sorry, didn't mean to be a nuisance, i was just reporting new things i tried
[06:05] <cmdbbq> anyhow, i am switching back to talk to the server so brb
[06:14] <cmdbbq> back again
[06:37] <cmdbbq> ok, i have a server that allows configuration via an AP type wireless network. I need it to connect with a static ip to my linksys router. both the router and the AP wireless networrk set themselves up at 192.168.1.1 I think this must be the source of the problem. I need to be connected to the wireless network hosted by the server until i get it up and running on the proper network. once i can ssh in that way, i will shut the wirele
[07:53] <ruben23> hi guys anyone can recommd best service proxy service in UK..?
[08:07] <twb> ruben23: what is a "proxy service"?
[08:08] <ruben23> twb: give me anonymous connection to UK by using multiple UK IP even im not on UK
[08:08] <twb> Why don't you just rent a VPS in the UK?
[08:24] <ruben23>  im trying to do is to have multiple IP of Uk where i can connect, coz i have to enter a particular data on a website where Uk ip are only accepted and this data should have unique UK IP per entry, so somehow the UK ip should be dyanmic or multiple if static.
[08:35] <twb> Call that webmaster and tell him not to be a retard
[10:16] <verynewubuntu> hi guys, I was trying to set up a basic web counter using cgi but uh.. not
[10:16] <verynewubuntu> sure exactly where it should go, or in fact which file to edit to point to
[10:16] <verynewubuntu> the cgi-bin directory if I wanted to create my own cgi-bin directory...
[10:16] <verynewubuntu> any hints pls pm me
[11:17] <Daviey> smoser, can you add lxcguest (or have you already?) to the cloud images?
[11:17] <Daviey> had an MIR ack.
[11:24] <soren> I thought it had been there for weeks.
[13:38] <ropetin> Quick question; anyone know of a tool I can use to show only the changes to a text file since last time I checked?  Kind of like tail, but tail --since_last_check
[13:45] <DigitalFlux> Anybody here has Ninja skills with the upstart provider for puppet ?
[13:45] <BCS-Satori> Hello, I have a question about heartbeat resources.  In my haresources I have a line containing "BCSVSA001 drbddisk::iscsi.target.VMware.Storage.1 LVM::replicated iscsitarget" however LVM::replicated does seem to bring the LVM volume online unless I type "vgchange -a -y replicated".  Can haresources accomplish this or do I need to make a bash file to add it to haresources (and if so how do I call the script
[13:45] <BCS-Satori> )?
[13:47]  * RoyK would rather like to exercise a diverse set of material art on the people that chose upstart over SysV
[13:51] <zul> Daviey: that patch you cherrypicked for dovecot is also for dovecot2 right?
[13:55] <Daviey> zul, yes
[13:56] <zul> Daviey: you checked the configuration file right?
[13:56] <Daviey> zul, no.. i just plucked the patch.
[13:56] <zul> Daviey: ok just checking
[13:56] <Daviey> zul, i have no idea if it is compatiable
[13:57] <zul> Daviey: cool...ill just ignore it then ;)
[13:57] <Daviey> zul, heh
[13:57] <semiosis> RoyK: material art?  that sounds tasteful
[13:59] <Daviey> zul, the patch does apply fwiw.
[14:00] <zul> Daviey: right....but we would have also take care of dovecot-postfix possibly (without looking at the patch)
[14:02] <Daviey> zul, yeah.. I think the approach of the patch is too risky this late in the cycle tbh.
[14:02] <zul> Daviey: agreed
[14:04] <zim> Hi all. Is it normal for the partitions formatting to start at 33% and just sit there I am trying to  format a raid 1 2TB partition to ext4
[14:05] <zim> Tried a few times last night left it for 3 hours no joy
[14:09] <smoser> Daviey, soren lxcguest is in the images for quite some time now.  when the package makes it into the uec seed (its not there right now, i just checked) then I will need to change the automated build scripts to not specify it explicitly
[14:11] <zul> smoser: ill add it to hec seed
[14:11] <zul> uec seed even
[14:12] <zul> smoser: done
[14:12] <Daviey> smoser, can you add it to the uec seed please?
[14:13] <zul> Daviey: already did
[14:13] <Daviey> pah.. being slow.
[14:13] <zul> Daviey: maybe you need more sleep ;)
[14:13] <Daviey> :)
[14:14] <Daviey> (smoser, it will only get promoted by being seeded).
[14:14] <smoser> right.
[14:14] <smoser> thats why i said it had to be seeded.
[14:14] <smoser> but it can't be seeded until its MIR goes through
[14:14] <smoser> so, until now, we were there waiting on MIR
[14:15] <zul> it went through yesterday
[14:16] <Daviey> smoser, I think what i was asking this morning, was for you to add it to the seed. Due to the MIR being ack'd late last night.
[14:17] <smoser> i can't add it to seed.
[14:17] <smoser> so zul did
[14:17] <smoser> thank you zul
[14:17] <smoser> so we're good.
[14:17] <smoser> thanks.
[14:35] <AlexMax> Why does libtomcat6-java depend on collections
[14:40] <user3133> hello, when attempting to configure dapper with vmbuilder, i get an error with tzdata (because it's not included in dapper). is there any way i can create this machine and bypass vmbuilder's attempt to configure tzdata?
[14:42] <hallyn> oooh.  big angry red screen from debian installer.
[14:42] <hallyn> (it couldn't find its mirror)
[14:46] <user3133> hallyn, are you talking to me? what do i do to fix this?
[14:50] <hallyn> user3133: oh, no i wasn't
[14:50] <user3133> :(
[14:50] <hallyn> user3133: what is your vmbuilder command?
[14:53] <rnigam> Anyone know how I can install xen dom0 kernel from ubuntu repositories? Ubuntu-10.10 doesn't seem to have the 'linux-image-xen-amd64' package !
[14:57] <Ahtenus> How can i access the terminal on the ubuntu-server live cd?
[14:58] <Ahtenus> or rather the regular installation cd...
[14:58] <pmatulis_> Ahtenus: Alt-F1 i guess
[14:58] <pmatulis_> Ahtenus: Alt-F2 , etc
[15:00] <Ahtenus> didn't work from the menu.. trying "install ubuntu"
[15:11] <pmatulis_> Ahtenus: yes, begin the process first
[15:13] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey (nice work on the Desktop on the cloud!! (am I missing anyone?)
[15:13] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: (nice work on the Desktop on the cloud!! (am I missing anyone?)
[15:13] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: (nice work on the Desktop on the cloud!! (am I missing anyone?)
[15:14] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: Daviey !
[15:14] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: stgraber too
[15:14] <RoAkSoAx> stgraber: (nice work on the Desktop on the cloud!!
[15:15] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, and the testers :)
[15:16] <RoAkSoAx> :)
[16:40] <quentusrex_> Anyone know of a good system for automatic pxe install of ubuntu and other distributions?
[16:49] <zul> quentusrex: cobbler
[17:39] <hggdh> Daviey: so, we will have a re-spin of the server ISOs? If so, I will not bother to fill in the qa tracker
[18:14] <semiosis> i'm working on writing an upstart job that will start a service after the network interface is up, but before remote filesystems are mounted.  or at least start the service after the network interface is up, then reattempt mounting of remote filesystems.  emitting remote-filesystems doesnt seem to have any effect on the _netdev entries in /etc/fstab.  any ideas?
[18:19] <TeTeT> semiosis: sorry but I can't answer your question. Maybe you find some hint here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[18:20] <semiosis> TeTeT: i'm working my way through that right now.  thanks for the pointer, I hope the answer is somewhere in there.
[18:30] <hallyn> Daviey: bug 700511 is looking like it won't be fixed after all.
[18:30] <hallyn> near as i can tell it works nowhere
[18:30] <hallyn> vmware mode works fine, so i'm going to mark that as workaround and back down to medium
[18:34] <Daviey> hallyn, but it is a regression from Lucid?
[18:36] <hallyn> no i think it's broken in lucid too
[18:36] <hallyn> it's a regression in any case
[18:36] <hallyn> but low prio imo.  in fact maybe i'll mark it low prio instead of med.  near as i can tell noone should need it.
[18:37] <hallyn> jdstrand: do you have second?
[18:38] <jdstrand> hallyn: what's up?
[18:38] <hallyn> jdstrand:  i'm working on bug 673705 - the fix includes fixups to the network .xmls.  So the rh package had a postinst  fixing up existing ones.  Should we do that automatically in libvirt-bin.postinst?  And if so, is the 'configure' the right switch to putit under?
[18:39] <hallyn> i'm not really comfy with the blind chopping and dicing of the network .xml files, but...
[18:39] <hallyn> not sure that telling people to update it manually is sufficient
[18:39] <hallyn> it wont' break anything (more than it's already broken) if they don't update it
[18:43] <hallyn> jdstrand: ah, i see.  i'll use the dpkg-compare versions bit from an existing blob in postinst
[18:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: I don't know enough to say yes to 'should'. I can say that if moving forward 'configure' is the correct place-- and it should be versioned. look at libvirt-bin.postinst for the 'libvirt-migrate-qemu-disks' bit I added as an example (though you might be able to but it in the case statement of the postinst)
[18:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: yeah
[18:44] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks.  if you don't mind, i'm going to run it past you before committing :)
[18:45] <jdstrand> hallyn: ok. I am a little leary of adjusting the xml. would it suffice to ship a good configuration for new installs and then having instructions somewhere (maybe the bug is enough?) on how to fix it themselves?
[18:46] <jdstrand> hallyn: cause if you adjust the xml, I am pretty sure you will need to destroy/undefine followed by define/start, and that is a poor upgrade experience
[18:49] <hallyn> you don't have to undefine, but i assume the change wont' take effect until after they've recreated the bridges
[18:49] <hallyn> as it is the script just adds the macaddr entry in entries in /var/lib/libvirt/network and /etc/libvirt/qemu/network/
[18:49] <hallyn> jdstrand: ^
[18:53] <jdstrand> hallyn: what are you doing in configure then?
[18:54]  * jdstrand is not familiar with the bug or fix
[18:54] <jdstrand> is the script a one time fix or done on each bridge creation?
[18:54] <hallyn> jdstrand: hang on, i'm grabbing a url for the file
[18:55] <hallyn> new bridges will be created with the macaddr element.
[18:57] <hallyn> jdstrand: but hey, if you're ok with not auto-fixing existing bridges, then i'm happy with that.  less potential for breakage.  (more potential for dups)
[18:57] <hallyn> jdstrand: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/natty/libvirt/fix-maccaddr2/view/head:/debian/libvirt-bin.postinst
[19:03] <jdstrand> hallyn: I gotta be honest-- I'd rather see that broken out into a tool that libvirt-bin could ship, and then people could run it manually. aiui, this bug has been around for awhile, so, especially this late in the cycle, that seems safer
[19:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: I looked at the patches in the redhat bug-- those look pretty big too-- were you applying them in this update?
[19:05] <jdstrand> hallyn: if something breaks in a postinst then the installation will pretty much halt
[19:06] <jdstrand> s/installation/upgrade/
[19:08] <hallyn> jdstrand: how would you ship the tool?
[19:08] <jdstrand> hallyn: like I did with libvirt-migrate-qemu-disks
[19:08] <hallyn> jdstrand: maybe i should just upload the script in the bug as an attachment,
[19:08] <hallyn> and leave it at that?
[19:08] <hallyn> hm, that'll stay around forever then...  polution...
[19:08] <jdstrand> hallyn: that is an option too-- depends on how much you think people are hurting
[19:09] <hallyn> well, not too much apparently :)
[19:09] <hallyn> jdstrand: most people who are pounding on libvirt are not using NAT bridge rigth?
[19:09] <hallyn> they've got a phsyical NIC on the bridge, and that's fixing it for them
[19:09] <jdstrand> hallyn: if that is the case, I would focus on new installs
[19:10] <hallyn> ok.
[19:10] <jdstrand> I don't know what most do. I use nat
[19:10] <hallyn> yeah - its usually a 3-10 second pause, so i think i've usually assumed my laptop was just acting slow
[19:11] <hallyn> jdstrand: but so you do think it's better not to push the fix into natty at all?
[19:11] <jdstrand> hallyn: you mean upstream's patch?
[19:11] <hallyn> in that case, for o-series we'll be syncing 0.9.0 so won't need it at all...
[19:11] <hallyn> yeh
[19:12] <jdstrand> hallyn: there is a lot of stuff to do. if it were me, I would sync with 0.9.0 when oneric opens, mark the bug fix released and see who whines about getting it fixed in previous releases, at which point evaluate for SRU
[19:13] <jdstrand> s/oneric/oneiric/
[19:13] <jdstrand> hallyn: that said, if you really want to see it fixed in natty, you might run it by skaet
[19:13] <jdstrand> the release team is reviewing all the changes and I would hate for you to do the work and have it be rejected since it was deemed too risky
[19:14] <hallyn> i think i'll defer.
[19:14] <hallyn> i really don't want to risk more breakage
[19:14] <jdstrand> hallyn: I think that is wise
[19:14] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks for the advice
[19:14] <jdstrand> sure! :)
[20:16] <BCS-Satori> In a while loop in a bash script, how can I check the users input so that it matches a file contained within a folder to continue?
[20:22] <jMCg> BCS-Satori: -> #bash
[20:22] <RoAkSoAx> zul: quick question. If project X has been merged into project Y, instead of being just a separate project. However, now it is called Y, but I'd like to keep the package named as X. Is that possible/recommended?
[20:23] <RoyK> no/no
[20:23] <zul> what he said
[20:24] <RoyK> you can keep the package with setting a keep flag on it (see man aptitude), but if a new arrives, you'll need to replace the old one with the new one to keep the machine updated
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> RoyK: right right, I can keep the source package name with the same name and rename the tarball automatically in get-orig-source
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ^^
[20:25] <RoAkSoAx> zul: however, cluster-agents have now merge with the resource agents from RHCS, and they are just simply called resource-agents
[20:25] <RoAkSoAx> zul: and I though it might be easier to just keep the mpackaging called cluster-agents rather than resource-agents
[20:25] <zul> well you can create a new package called resource-agents and do conflict/replace
[20:26] <RoAkSoAx> zul: yeah that's what I did, but was just wondering if instead of going through the new package process, MIR's, etc etc, to just keep the naming convention as cluster-agents
[20:26] <RoAkSoAx> but anyways, I guess not :(
[20:45] <hallyn> skaet: I'm looking at Bug #582769.  Debian actually fixed it the simple way last august.  I've been talking to amorgan, the libcap maintainer - he is opposed to that and feels something must be wrong in the courier-authlib itself.
[20:45] <hallyn> skaet: would you like the simple fix from debian for natty?  Or leave as is?
[20:46] <hallyn> does anyone else here care a lick about courier-imap-ssl with pam_cap?  (i'm assuming no)
[20:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> isnt natty support in #ubuntu+1?
[20:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> !natty
[20:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> that's what I thought
[20:46] <hallyn> oh ffs, here i thought courier-imap might be server
[20:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> i dont think it matters whether its server or not, afaik, there's only one ubuntu+1 channel for both server and desktop :/
[20:47] <hallyn> i was sort of wondering if ScottK might care
[20:47] <hallyn> TheEvilPhoenix: the bug is relevant for maverick and lucid
[20:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> hallyn:  oic
[20:48] <TheEvilPhoenix> hallyn:  sorry, the mentioning of Natty triggered my "wrong channel" red flags :P
[20:48] <hallyn> just still a q of whether anyone cares
[20:48]  * skaet looking
[20:48] <hallyn> TheEvilPhoenix: :)
[20:49] <hallyn> zul: btw, you would be the other one, beside ScottK, who i would think might be interested
[20:50] <zul> hmm?
[20:50] <hallyn> zul: do you know anything about courier-authlib?
[20:50] <zul> hallyn: nope...im a dovecot dude
[20:50] <hallyn> i've been talking with amorgan about how it does authlib-pam
[20:51] <hallyn> zul: ok
[20:53]  * zul wonders out for a while
[20:53] <hallyn> bet he even wanders
[21:49]  * RoAkSoAx is off to lunch
[22:01] <david5345> I am having a locale bug, I don't know if it's Ubuntu or PHP. I run the code that I listed here : http://pastebin.com/WRwSDXS8 . The timezone returns as EDT ( that's Eastern Daylight Time ), but it should return HAE ( Heure Avancée de l'Est), as the locale is french. Is this PHP or Ubuntu that is giving the wrong info ?
[22:06] <masterzu> anyone able to help me get phpmyadmin working?
[22:06] <RoyK> nope
[22:06] <masterzu> on ubuntu server
[22:07] <masterzu> i got it installed but i'm not seeing the directory show up
[22:07] <masterzu> it's like it didn't install but it did
[22:07] <masterzu> <---- confused
[22:08] <guntbert> masterzu: what does w3m localhost    show you?
[22:09] <masterzu> sql error because mybb isn't connecting to the mysql database correctly. i'm trying to get my mybb website running locally on a vm
[22:10] <masterzu> lol hi again guntbert XD
[22:14] <david5345> When I run "LC_ALL=fr_CA.UTF-8 date +%c", it says "EDT" at the end instead of "HAE". Is this a bug or a feature ?
[22:15] <RoyK> david5345: LC_ALL="fr ...
[22:15] <RoyK> put the quote after =
[22:16] <david5345> RoyK Sorry, I was quoting to indicate what was on the command line. The month and day were in french, but the timezone in english
[22:16] <RoyK> please pastebin the whole thing
[22:16] <masterzu> any reason why I don't see the folder for phpmyadmin after installing it? the system says it's installed but i can't see any folder for it in /var/www/ or via the browser
[22:17] <david5345> RoyK http://pastebin.com/CTKijx7C
[22:19] <RoyK> david5345: sorry - no idea - tested myself and still faulty
[22:21] <david5345> RoyK : It says EDT on your system ? Can you give me the version of Ubuntu you are using ?
[22:21] <genii-around> masterzu: sudo ln -s /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin
[22:22] <genii-around> masterzu: Then to restart apache
[22:22] <RoyK> david5345: it doesn't say anything if I give it a LANG or LC_ALL, it just reports localtime - tested with 10.04 and 10.10
[22:23] <david5345> RoyK run sudo locale-gen fr_CA.UTF-8
[22:23] <david5345> than rerun the command
[22:23] <masterzu> genii-around, now what?
[22:24] <RoyK> david5345: same thing on 10.10
[22:24] <RoyK> and 10.04
[22:24] <shauno> do timezones usually get translated?  I always see germany referenced as CEST, not 'MESZ'
[22:24] <genii-around> masterzu: Now apache should know to point the wen browser to the real place phpmyadmin is ( in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ ) when you point your bowser to hour.url/phpmyadmin
[22:24] <david5345> shauno, who would have an authoritative answer ?
[22:24] <genii-around> Bleh typos
[22:25] <RoyK> david5345: some god :)
[22:25] <masterzu> freaking awesome, thanks genii-around!!!
[22:25] <shauno> david5345: I'm not sure.  You could do worse than to ask #ubuntu-translators I guess
[22:25] <david5345> RoyK :P
[22:25] <genii-around> masterzu: You're welcome
[22:27] <masterzu> hmmmm password isn'tw orking....
[22:28] <RoyK> masterzu: just pastebin admin user/password and someone will probably help quite soon :D
[22:29] <masterzu> :P unfortunately phpmyadmin is on a virtual machine installed on my laptop, it's not at a web page
[22:29] <masterzu> i'll figure it out, just going to search google :)
[22:29] <genii-around> masterzu: Perhaps try http://localhost/phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php first
[22:30] <genii-around> Or the equivelent
[22:30] <RoyK> masterzu: there's a root password set when you install mysql - try that
[22:31] <masterzu> suppose i'll just reinstal mysql
[22:31] <masterzu> XD
[22:40] <david5345> Ok, I'll keep looking. Thanks RoyK and shauno.
[22:43] <RoyK> masterzu: reinstalling won't do no good
[22:43] <RoyK> resetting the root password on mysql may be better :P
[22:47] <masterzu> >_> well, i can't seem to stop the mysql server in order to change the password anyways...
[22:51] <masterzu> sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop this isn't working. it's telling me to stop it with the service, but i can't find anything about service on google, all i get is this: "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop" and that doesn't work
[22:54] <genii-around> masterzu: sudo initctl stop servicename
[22:55] <genii-around> Or servicename stop, i always forget the order until i have to do it
[22:56] <masterzu> unknown instance
[22:56] <masterzu> the first one was right htough
[22:58]  * RoyK just sent Pratchett's agent an email about how to sort out selling the Vetinari clock :P
[23:00] <masterzu> genii-around, says it needs a job or something?
[23:00] <masterzu> or Job [keyvalue]
[23:02] <genii-around> masterzu: What does: sudo initctl list | grep sql                     show?
[23:03] <masterzu> mysql stop/waiting
[23:04] <masterzu> genii-around ^^
[23:06] <genii-around> masterzu: So if you want to reconfigure mysql server, i would suggest: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server      and set password, etc etc. Then: sudo initctl start mysql          and try login from phpmyadmin after
[23:09] <genii-around> masterzu: You might need to use mysql-server-5.1 there as the name actually
[23:13] <masterzu> ok, i'm in now, thanks :)
[23:14]  * genii-around makes more coffee