| dorgan | has anyone else been following dell's offering, or lack there of, on Ubuntu Laptop/desktops? | 15:49 |
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| dorgan | for the longest time all you could buy was a desktop...now its only two laptops....one with 10" screen and the other with a 13" screen | 15:49 |
| dorgan | what gives | 15:49 |
| maxolasersquad | dorgan: Yeah, it's been pretty week for a while now. | 15:54 |
| maxolasersquad | Probably low sales. | 15:54 |
| dorgan | and the 13" only allows a max of 1GB of ram | 15:54 |
| dorgan | still....its not like they have to use specialized hardware...well for the most part | 15:54 |
| maxolasersquad | They do spend some resources ensuring the hardware options they make it available on works. | 15:55 |
| maxolasersquad | I'd recommend getting a System76 over a Dell if one wants Linux supported hardware. | 15:55 |
| dorgan | yeah but it cant be that much resources as they only offer 9.10 installed | 15:55 |
| maxolasersquad | Well, that shows how much work they are willing to put into it. | 15:56 |
| maxolasersquad | Which is probably proportional to the sales that the option is generating. | 15:56 |
| maxolasersquad | Dell is in a good position to be THE preferrable computer maker for Linux enthusiasts, but doesn't seem too interested in making it happen. | 15:57 |
| maxolasersquad | I have a Dell that came with preinstall Linux, and the experience hasn't been as good as I was hoping. | 15:58 |
| maxolasersquad | Sound support broke two years ago. | 15:58 |
| maxolasersquad | Compositing didn't work for a release either. | 15:58 |
| mhall119 | maxolasersquad: I tried to restore Vista on a Dell, using the restore disk that came with it, and none of video, sound, wired or wireless worked | 16:04 |
| mhall119 | so....at least they consistently suck at it | 16:05 |
| tiemonster | true linux users build their own computers... | 19:20 |
| tiemonster | ...from melted sand | 19:20 |
| munz-eee | anyone used gnome 3 yet? | 19:52 |
| munz-eee | mhall119, | 19:53 |
| munz-eee | you around? | 19:53 |
| mhall119 | munz-eee: yup | 20:17 |
| munz-eee | hey have you tried gnome3? | 20:18 |
| munz-eee | do you like? | 20:18 |
| munz-eee | i tried it last night... don't think i like it lol | 20:18 |
| munz-eee | liking unity alot more as time passes | 20:19 |
| munz-eee | do you know how to configure the gnome3 look? | 20:19 |
| mhall119 | munz-eee: haven't tried gnome 3 yet, no | 20:34 |
| mhall119 | I hear the refactoring work they did is a huge improvement though | 20:35 |
| mhall119 | but as a user, it's hard to separate the under-the-hood improvements from the switch to Gnome Shell | 20:35 |
| munz-eee | i heard about the improvements also | 20:36 |
| munz-eee | the stile is cool | 20:36 |
| munz-eee | *style | 20:36 |
| munz-eee | have yet to figure out how to customize it though | 20:37 |
| crashsystems | gnome 3 also requires composting. | 20:37 |
| munz-eee | here is where i sound stupid: | 20:40 |
| munz-eee | what is composting? | 20:40 |
| mhall119 | so non-compositing X11 would tell each window what parts they need to draw on the screen | 20:40 |
| crashsystems | basically it is how things like compiz draw fancy graphical stuff on the screen | 20:41 |
| munz-eee | ok, that was easy :) | 20:41 |
| munz-eee | soo it needs 3d? | 20:41 |
| munz-eee | or decent graphics? | 20:41 |
| mhall119 | with compositing, X11 tells each window to draw itself into a buffer, then the compositing manager takes all the windows and "composites" them into a single image to draw to the screen | 20:41 |
| crashsystems | basically | 20:41 |
| crashsystems | if your graphics card was made in the last five years, it should run unity just fine. probably similar limits for gnome 3. | 20:42 |
| mhall119 | compositing is a standard part of 3d graphics processing, whenever you have a 3d game or something, it has objects that get "composited" into a single image for you to see | 20:42 |
| munz-eee | ohhhh, ok mhall119, that makes sense | 20:42 |
| mhall119 | so 3d graphics cards specifically well suited for this task | 20:42 |
| munz-eee | ok | 20:42 |
| mhall119 | but 3d graphics cards aren't strictly necessary | 20:43 |
| munz-eee | ok | 20:43 |
| mhall119 | Xfce and KDE will do compositing entirely in the CPU | 20:43 |
| mhall119 | I think Gnome 3 will too | 20:43 |
| mhall119 | but it's slower, because the CPU isn't designed for that kind of math, while the GPU is | 20:43 |
| crashsystems | IIRC gnome 3 has some sort of "fallback" mode | 20:43 |
| mhall119 | gnome 3 uses mutter, which I think can do compositing in the CPU | 20:44 |
| munz-eee | ok, i now understand more | 20:44 |
| munz-eee | thanks | 20:45 |
| munz-eee | crashsystems, have you tried gnome3 yet? | 20:45 |
| munz-eee | i read it breaks unity, so i put it on my 10.10 to try it | 20:46 |
| munz-eee | wanna customize the UI look but have not found any config applet yet | 20:47 |
| munz-eee | it does run fast | 20:47 |
| mhall119 | Unity is built on Gnome 2, so replacing that with Gnome 3 is likely to break it, yeah | 20:47 |
| munz-eee | mhall119, i did sudo apt-get install gnome-shell | 20:48 |
| munz-eee | then just ran "gnome-shell --replace" from gnome 2 | 20:48 |
| munz-eee | and it killed the gnome 3 | 20:48 |
| munz-eee | and started the gnome3 | 20:49 |
| munz-eee | if i log out and back in gnome 2 works again | 20:49 |
| munz-eee | but no option at the login screen for gnome3 or gnome-shell | 20:49 |
| munz-eee | weird | 20:49 |
| mhall119 | that's because you just installed the shell | 20:49 |
| mhall119 | not a session | 20:49 |
| munz-eee | ohhhh | 20:50 |
| munz-eee | lol | 20:50 |
| mhall119 | that's like just installing xfce-panel | 20:50 |
| munz-eee | lol, i thought it would install them side-by-side | 20:51 |
| munz-eee | and allow me to choose between | 20:51 |
| mhall119 | you'd probably have to install gnome3-session or something to that effect to have the option at login | 20:52 |
| munz-eee | ok | 20:53 |
| munz-eee | mhall119, you program right? | 20:54 |
| mhall119 | yup | 20:54 |
| munz-eee | where is a good place to start learning? | 20:54 |
| munz-eee | java, python, etc? | 20:54 |
| mhall119 | python now, java, PHP and perl in the past | 20:55 |
| munz-eee | ok | 20:55 |
| mhall119 | I got a few O'Reilly books when I started off | 20:55 |
| mhall119 | plus online documentation and tutorials | 20:56 |
| mhall119 | once you learn how to program, picking up a new language just requires syntax references | 20:56 |
| munz-eee | ok | 20:56 |
| munz-eee | i have been wanting to learn | 20:56 |
| mhall119 | python is an easy one to start with | 20:56 |
| munz-eee | just not sure where to start, was thinking python b/c ubuntu likes it | 20:57 |
| munz-eee | and cross platform | 20:57 |
| mhall119 | and there's plenty of online docs and tutorials, you probably won't even need a book unless you just want one | 20:57 |
| crashsystems | I've not tried gnome3 yet. | 20:57 |
| munz-eee | ok, how long have you been programming? | 20:58 |
| mhall119 | 12 years | 20:58 |
| munz-eee | wow, you like? | 20:58 |
| mhall119 | since I was in High School | 20:58 |
| mhall119 | yeah, I love it | 20:58 |
| mhall119 | it's not for everyone, you really have to have a mind for it | 20:58 |
| mhall119 | and it turns out my mind is just right for it | 20:59 |
| munz-eee | cool | 20:59 |
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