| jrwren | … | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | Good eeeevening | 01:43 |
| jjesse | yes it is | 01:44 |
| jjesse | 8:44 pm | 01:44 |
| jjesse | doh | 01:45 |
| jjesse | wrong channel | 01:45 |
| _stink_ | when i was a kid, 8:44pm was snacktime before bed | 01:49 |
| _stink_ | my brother at like age 8 would go push the buttons on the microwave to make it say 8:44 | 01:49 |
| _stink_ | when it was 7pm | 01:50 |
| jjesse | hahaha | 01:50 |
| _stink_ | rotten kid | 01:50 |
| jjesse | mmmm snack time | 01:50 |
| greg-g | _stink_: you're brother is awesome | 03:52 |
| _stink_ | clever, at least. | 04:03 |
| greg-g | g'morning | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | party | 13:31 |
| brousch | greg-g: any wikimedia news? | 13:34 |
| greg-g | not yet, I'll find out "early this week" which means it better be today :) | 13:35 |
| brousch | tjagoda: Show all windows open in Unity? I think jcastro covered that in his demo video | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: awesome | 13:36 |
| tjagoda | brousch: Where is this video? | 13:40 |
| brousch | http://castrojo.blip.tv/file/4997614/ | 13:40 |
| tjagoda | So many hard lockups with 11.04 | 13:42 |
| tjagoda | =( | 13:42 |
| brousch | really? | 13:42 |
| wolfger | wifi back to crapping out every 3 minutes in 11.04 :-( | 13:42 |
| wolfger | and occasionally hard locking when I modprobe it back | 13:43 |
| tjagoda | I have no clue why it hardlocks | 13:49 |
| tjagoda | I'll just walk away | 13:49 |
| tjagoda | come back to a frozen screensaver | 13:49 |
| tjagoda | =( | 13:50 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Maybe your machine has crap video drivers? | 13:51 |
| brousch | is it one of those fancy 3d screensavers? | 13:54 |
| brousch | i always use blank screen | 13:55 |
| snap-l | Yeah, me too. | 13:58 |
| tjagoda | My machine is a system76 | 14:06 |
| tjagoda | It does not have crap video drivers | 14:06 |
| tjagoda | =( | 14:06 |
| tjagoda | Pretty sure its intel anyway | 14:10 |
| snap-l | It has Intel, right? | 14:10 |
| snap-l | So, yes it does. :) | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | Dude | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | I have had it since 2009 | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | You know how many lockups I had? | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | 0 | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | Big fat 0 | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | Never even crashed to login until Unity | 14:10 |
| snap-l | You're not trying hard enough | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | thing was rock freaking solid | 14:11 |
| snap-l | See? Unity has unlocked the potential of your laptop | 14:11 |
| snap-l | The potential for locking up | 14:11 |
| snap-l | it's in every machine | 14:11 |
| tjagoda | ... | 14:11 |
| tjagoda | I hate you so much | 14:11 |
| tjagoda | =P | 14:11 |
| tjagoda | Perhaps when system76 catches up to 11.04 and releases an updated system76-driver it will improve | 14:12 |
| krondor | hmm http://ubuntu-releases.eecs.wsu.edu/natty/ seems down | 14:27 |
| tjagoda | It resolved here | 14:29 |
| tjagoda | And I am able to grab the iso | 14:29 |
| tjagoda | Your DNS has a failwhale | 14:29 |
| tjagoda | ? | 14:29 |
| rick_h_ | damn work for their IE only freaking review site working...ugh | 14:30 |
| rick_h_ | and people that force caps in their urls deservce to be shot | 14:30 |
| rick_h_ | that is all... | 14:30 |
| krondor | yeah i get connection timed out on uverse but everything else seems good, maybe I'll try google's dns and see | 14:30 |
| krondor | my uverse is acting all batty lately anyway | 14:30 |
| rick_h_ | krondor: yea, was having some issues yesterday as well | 14:31 |
| rick_h_ | I setup google dns and still having some unhappy bits over the pipes | 14:31 |
| tjagoda | Comcast dns was fail a while back | 14:31 |
| tjagoda | I like openDNS | 14:32 |
| rick_h_ | comcast always has DNS issues, that alone made me setup DNS on my colo at first | 14:32 |
| tjagoda | 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 | 14:32 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I use Google DNS | 14:32 |
| snap-l | seems to be pretty rock-solid. | 14:33 |
| krondor | rick_h_: it's because uverse knows its end is coming at my house so it has to act up (data caps on the way and alll) | 14:33 |
| snap-l | krondor: Funny enough, they (AT&T)just laid some fiber over here, and had someone go door-to-door to let everyone know. | 14:33 |
| tjagoda | lol | 14:33 |
| snap-l | So there may be more traffic. ;) | 14:33 |
| tjagoda | Thats kind of sad | 14:34 |
| tjagoda | "PLEASE DONT LEAVE" | 14:34 |
| tjagoda | "NEW FIBER LOL!" | 14:34 |
| snap-l | I already did | 14:34 |
| snap-l | I'm on wowway, and it's nice. | 14:34 |
| tjagoda | If wow offered service out here I'd switch in a heartbeat | 14:34 |
| tjagoda | Loathe comcast | 14:34 |
| krondor | yeah that's how I ended up switching to it, the door to door guys have promos online doesn't. It was like 300 dollars in visa gift cards plus half off the service for 1 year. | 14:35 |
| tjagoda | Anybody run on FiOS? | 14:35 |
| tjagoda | Don't they put "no caps" into their advertising? | 14:36 |
| snap-l | Comcast is shit | 14:36 |
| krondor | I need to look at wow again, heard good things but last I looked they only had like 8 mbps in my area. I hear it's near 18 now or something... | 14:37 |
| snap-l | I only have 8Mbps | 14:37 |
| snap-l | though their home page makes me want to puke. | 14:38 |
| snap-l | if I go to wowway.com, it redirects me to their portal | 14:38 |
| greg-g | geez, I leave for my bikeride in and you all turn into chatty cathys | 14:38 |
| tjagoda | Does Fios even run in michigan? | 14:39 |
| krondor | tjagoda: not that I've heard | 14:39 |
| tjagoda | ='( | 14:39 |
| snap-l | Wow, they have 15down, 2 up | 14:39 |
| snap-l | 72.99 | 14:40 |
| tjagoda | mmmm | 14:40 |
| tjagoda | And they don't try and filter your shit and make it difficult to run home servers | 14:40 |
| tjagoda | Have a friend who runs an entire exchange server from his basement on wow | 14:40 |
| snap-l | add phone, and you only get 8Mbps | 14:40 |
| rick_h_ | krondor: do you hit the caps? on userver it's some 250gb | 14:41 |
| rick_h_ | while I'm cranky about the caps in general, I don't think I come up to them | 14:42 |
| krondor | that's kind of pricey for that. Uverse is $60 for 24 down 3 up, but if it's capped I guess what's the point? | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | the only other option is to go back to comcast which only has half the speed and ugh cable | 14:42 |
| krondor | rick_h_: they're not active yet in our area but they're coming, I've heard May. It's 250 GB/month for all plans. | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | krondor: right, but I'm not coming up to 250gb/mo | 14:42 |
| krondor | you can exceed it 3 times for the life of your account and after the 3rd overage they bill you the excess. | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | so still > comcast | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | nice | 14:43 |
| snap-l | Oh that's brilliant | 14:43 |
| krondor | I'm over it most months. Netflix is a hungry animal. | 14:43 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we do netflix, but tends to just be a movie/two per week | 14:43 |
| rick_h_ | not a daily affair | 14:44 |
| rick_h_ | so where you headed to then? | 14:44 |
| rick_h_ | do you have more than comcast in the area? | 14:44 |
| krondor | wow as well, I'd probably be looking at WoW first and then maybe comcast or comcast business class. | 14:44 |
| rick_h_ | n0p_: why did you guys cancel wow? I don't recall | 14:45 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I think jcastro has the comcast business class and loves it | 14:45 |
| n0p_ | primarily because of the move | 14:47 |
| rick_h_ | gotcha | 14:47 |
| n0p_ | was sorta wanting to, just due to the overall expense | 14:48 |
| n0p_ | but was satisfied with their service overall | 14:48 |
| snap-l | Did you get the cable TV stuff? | 14:48 |
| n0p_ | oh, yeah, was just TV | 14:48 |
| n0p_ | stuck with comcast for Internet | 14:48 |
| snap-l | Yeah, TV is expensive | 14:48 |
| n0p_ | Wow speeds are slower | 14:48 |
| snap-l | I just use them for phone and internet | 14:48 |
| n0p_ | or at least they were when i was evaluating | 14:48 |
| snap-l | They still are | 14:49 |
| snap-l | 8Mbps down, 1Mbps up | 14:49 |
| snap-l | You can get 15/2, but that's without phone | 14:49 |
| snap-l | which leads me to believe they're reserving bandwidth. ;) | 14:49 |
| rick_h_ | people still have phones? | 14:49 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Land-lines at that. | 14:49 |
| n0p_ | heh, yeah, broadvoice still | 14:49 |
| rick_h_ | n0p_: yea, same here | 14:50 |
| n0p_ | still good for call that consume minutes | 14:50 |
| snap-l | Funy enough, for conference calls, I still use Skype. ;) | 14:50 |
| snap-l | 1800 calls = free | 14:50 |
| n0p_ | i cant imagine talking on a real land line again, i am sure the quality would be awesome | 14:50 |
| snap-l | I love my land-line | 14:51 |
| n0p_ | cell and voip phones are not that great imo | 14:51 |
| snap-l | Well, my land-line is voip, and it's pretty good | 14:51 |
| n0p_ | they get the job done, but miss the clarity of a call | 14:51 |
| snap-l | compared with what I was using before with DSL / Land Line, it's comparable | 14:51 |
| snap-l | and considering that all of the traffic now is VOIP anyway (even on a conventional land line)... :) | 14:52 |
| snap-l | BTW: MUG Tonight, folks. | 14:52 |
| n0p_ | heh, yeah | 14:52 |
| rick_h_ | man, not going to make another one | 14:53 |
| rick_h_ | 0-4 this year :( | 14:53 |
| snap-l | priorities, man. ;) | 14:53 |
| snap-l | Just leave Michael home alone. What's the wors that could happen? | 14:54 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 14:54 |
| snap-l | Dear Ticketmaster: Someone who bought tickets for Rush might like Bob Seger. They're not likely to enjoy Glee or NKOTB / BSB. | 14:55 |
| brousch | sounds like logical associations to me, and i'm sure they have petabytes of data behind their suggestions | 14:57 |
| wolfger | snap-l: you didn't see the Rush episode of Glee? | 15:05 |
| jrwren | there is a rush episode? | 15:08 |
| krondor | and that BSB documentary had them mentioning Rush as a primary musical influence for the producer that actually wrote their songs, oh wait I mean I've never seen a BSB documentary. | 15:10 |
| jrwren | what is BSB? | 15:11 |
| jrwren | back street boys? | 15:11 |
| greg-g | back street's back, ALL RIGHT! | 15:12 |
| _stink_ | and that's why greg-g is a hit with the ladies. | 15:12 |
| jrwren | dismantled lists paula abdul as an influence... sooo.... | 15:12 |
| greg-g | _stink_: hey, in high school, two years in a row, my buddies and I did full-length dances to BSB songs, 1 song the first year then added another one the second year. The ladies loved it. | 15:13 |
| wolfger | Hey, she influenced my teenage years... | 15:13 |
| wolfger | now I look at her and say "wtf was I thinking?" | 15:13 |
| greg-g | we watched their music video and learned their dance moves. We had a buddy who if it wasn't a preacher's son would have been, well, you know ;) | 15:14 |
| jrwren | wolfger: i am guessing that is how it was for dismantled. i've you've never heard 'em, they are hella sweet adn you wouldn't guess paula as influence | 15:14 |
| _stink_ | greg-g: i have now slotted the high school aged greg-g into a nice little stereotyped box. :) | 15:14 |
| jrwren | greg-g: lol | 15:14 |
| jrwren | greg-g: cliche | 15:14 |
| greg-g | _stink_: awesome | 15:14 |
| greg-g | jrwren: :P | 15:14 |
| _stink_ | greg-g: did you have some kind of mock rock competition thing at which to do those dances? | 15:15 |
| greg-g | oh, no, sorry, this was at prom, that was an important part of that story | 15:15 |
| _stink_ | ahhhh | 15:15 |
| _stink_ | wow | 15:16 |
| greg-g | sorry, multitask.... huh, ohai | 15:16 |
| tjagoda | bwahaha | 15:44 |
| tjagoda | I just bansihed non-blackberry devices from this workplace | 15:44 |
| tjagoda | RIM should thank me. | 15:44 |
| greg-g | way to go, jerk | 15:44 |
| greg-g | hater of choice | 15:45 |
| tjagoda | Not like Android is going to be open much longer anyway ;D | 15:45 |
| greg-g | or something | 15:45 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Way to make a monoculture | 15:45 |
| brousch | fascist bureaucrat. die in a shredder | 15:45 |
| snap-l | I hope Blackberry doesn't have some major bug that paralyzes your infrastructure. | 15:46 |
| snap-l | When Ford got nailed witht eh "ILoveYou" virus, my Linux machine was one of the few able to continue working | 15:46 |
| tjagoda | Mmmm | 15:47 |
| tjagoda | Easily manageable monoculture | 15:47 |
| wolfger | Mmmm. Easily destroyable monoculture | 15:47 |
| snap-l | Of course, I kept saying "I love you" to the PC support guy. ;) | 15:47 |
| tjagoda | Yes | 15:47 |
| tjagoda | And so are all my windows end nodes | 15:48 |
| jrwren | but blackberry SUCKS!!! | 15:48 |
| snap-l | Your network looks tasty. | 15:48 |
| jrwren | well, it sucks for end users. blackberry from an admin pov is SWEET. | 15:48 |
| jrwren | as long as you ahve budget for bb ent server. | 15:48 |
| tjagoda | I finally agree with jrwren on something =P | 15:48 |
| tjagoda | My e-mail is so secure that the UAE wants to outlaw blackberries | 15:49 |
| jrwren | lol. | 15:49 |
| tjagoda | SCREW YOUR USER FRIENDLINESS | 15:49 |
| jrwren | weren't people protesting there recently? | 15:49 |
| jrwren | err, no... that was saudi arabiea. | 15:49 |
| tjagoda | Yeah, I think UAE has been placid thus far | 15:49 |
| jrwren | didn't the saudi gvment get a special BB deal ? | 15:49 |
| tjagoda | They got banned | 15:50 |
| tjagoda | but then agreed to the possibility of putting a routing server in saudi arabia | 15:50 |
| brousch | you know what's even more secure? not using email at all. cheaper, too | 15:50 |
| tjagoda | You know what's even more secure? | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | This abacus | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | =P | 15:51 |
| brousch | i disagree. an abacus would be easier to see from a satellite compared to a calculator screen | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | I can put a virus on your calculator | 15:52 |
| tjagoda | it runs basic | 15:52 |
| tjagoda | you've probably got a monoculture of TI devices | 15:52 |
| tjagoda | unless your a freak like snap-l with his HP | 15:52 |
| tjagoda | =P | 15:52 |
| brousch | we have special-purpose construction calcs actually | 15:52 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: You mean my wife's HP | 15:52 |
| snap-l | which she loves. | 15:52 |
| brousch | my calculator runs android | 15:53 |
| snap-l | *sigh* | 15:55 |
| snap-l | Banshee 2.0 under Lucid won't be able to support tue U1MS | 15:55 |
| snap-l | and Rhythmbox doesn't have an update for the newer, and more stable U1 foo | 15:55 |
| tjagoda | What is U1MS? | 15:55 |
| snap-l | so I either need to stick with 1.8.1, which is a crashy piece of shit | 15:56 |
| snap-l | Ubuntu 1 Music Store | 15:56 |
| snap-l | or upgrade to Natty / Maverick | 15:56 |
| snap-l | God bless Banshee | 15:56 |
| wolfger | or switch to AmazonMP3 | 15:57 |
| wolfger | :-D | 15:57 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Fuck off | 15:57 |
| * wolfger removes snap-l's seatbelts | 15:57 | |
| tjagoda | Seatbelts! | 16:00 |
| tjagoda | Trolololol | 16:00 |
| tjagoda | You are all trolls | 16:00 |
| tjagoda | =P | 16:00 |
| greg-g | you didn't know? #ubuntu-us-mi will be renamed #michigan-troll-proving-grounds | 16:00 |
| Milyardo | trollface.jpg !!!!! | 16:01 |
| krondor | tjagoda: so you've seen the blackberry pwn2own results then right? lol | 16:01 |
| Milyardo | snap-l: I'm sure there will be a PPA with banshee+U1MS | 16:03 |
| jrwren | there just isn't yet :( | 16:03 |
| Milyardo | :( | 16:03 |
| snap-l | I doubt it | 16:03 |
| jrwren | so go make one. | 16:04 |
| snap-l | jrwren: You first. :) | 16:04 |
| tjagoda | snap-l should come join us in crashahppy natty | 16:04 |
| tjagoda | crashhappy* | 16:04 |
| snap-l | I'd like to actually have what I used to have working work again | 16:05 |
| snap-l | unfortunately, I can't seem to install anything for Banshee that will get the U1 music store working again | 16:05 |
| snap-l | whatever I have is compiled for 1.6.1 | 16:05 |
| snap-l | (*sigh*) | 16:05 |
| jrwren | is the U1 add in open source? | 16:07 |
| krondor | main rig now has natty instead of gentoo :) | 16:07 |
| wolfger | What's with this * crap in correcting a typo. Doesn't anybody know how to regex anymore? | 16:08 |
| Milyardo | jrwren: yeah its just a frontend for libubuntuone | 16:08 |
| wolfger | krondor: boo! | 16:08 |
| jrwren | I'd go do it, but I don't have a lucid system anymore... i'm all natty | 16:09 |
| krondor | wolfger I have a short attention span, so we'll see how long it lasts | 16:09 |
| wolfger | if the don't get my wifi working again, I'm ditching Natty for Oneiric | 16:09 |
| jrwren | what wifi? | 16:09 |
| wolfger | realtek | 16:09 |
| jrwren | i've been only intel for so long, its been great. | 16:10 |
| wolfger | was busted all to hell, then became functional, now again busted all to hell | 16:10 |
| tjagoda | I hope my stability comes back when system76 released the 11.04 version of system76-driver | 16:10 |
| snap-l | I love how LTS is pretty much Long Term Suck-it. ;) | 16:10 |
| wolfger | LOL | 16:10 |
| tjagoda | Yeah | 16:10 |
| wolfger | snap-l++ | 16:10 |
| tjagoda | bad choice for an LTS | 16:10 |
| tjagoda | reaaaal bad choice | 16:10 |
| wolfger | even if he was rude to me | 16:10 |
| tjagoda | to much change | 16:10 |
| wolfger | ;-) | 16:10 |
| tjagoda | Is 11.10 supposed to have a focus of quality? | 16:11 |
| tjagoda | =P | 16:11 |
| brousch | 12.04 would be the next lts | 16:11 |
| wolfger | I seriously doubt it | 16:11 |
| snap-l | Well, seriously, 10.04 is pretty much becoming useless | 16:11 |
| brousch | because you can't use the fancy new music store? | 16:12 |
| wolfger | we are at Quality Quail -3 (those of us running Natty) | 16:12 |
| snap-l | Because stability is no longer supported. | 16:12 |
| brousch | i think we have different definitions of useful | 16:12 |
| jcastro | snap-l: the definition of "stable" in an LTS is least amount of change as possible | 16:12 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Well, I had to upgrade my Ubuntu One to have it stable | 16:13 |
| jcastro | right | 16:13 |
| jcastro | :-/ | 16:13 |
| brousch | i have machines i want to sit there for 2, 3, 4 years without mucking around | 16:13 |
| snap-l | and that change busted rhythmbox's U1 store | 16:13 |
| tjagoda | Rythmwhat? | 16:13 |
| jrwren | for servers I've found LTS to be rock solid. | 16:13 |
| tjagoda | Whats that? | 16:13 |
| wolfger | File a bug on LP. I'm sure they'll get right on that | 16:14 |
| snap-l | and now Banshee is going to drop U1 because of dependencies for Lucid | 16:14 |
| tjagoda | ;) | 16:14 |
| rick_h_ | so...the broken bit is relying on u1 :P | 16:14 |
| jrwren | as for desktop... i can't understand teh LTS mindset. | 16:14 |
| tjagoda | I can | 16:14 |
| jcastro | jrwren: I can | 16:14 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I don't want shit to break. | 16:14 |
| tjagoda | Truth | 16:14 |
| tjagoda | Put that shit out on enterprise desktops | 16:14 |
| tjagoda | then sleep | 16:14 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: my desktop is for deving to servers, why not keep pretty close? | 16:14 |
| tjagoda | and do an upgrade cycle in 2 years | 16:14 |
| tjagoda | =P | 16:14 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: now THAT i understand. rick_h_ ftw | 16:14 |
| rick_h_ | lol, right because all the enterprise running XP is upgrading every 2 years | 16:14 |
| jcastro | chrome + LTS = the win | 16:14 |
| snap-l | jcastro: If you want the message thread, LMK | 16:15 |
| jcastro | snap-l: fwd it to me pls. | 16:15 |
| tjagoda | rick_h: bad analogy | 16:15 |
| tjagoda | windows vista sucked | 16:15 |
| jcastro | hey, in other, surprising good news, we fixed that guy's gpodder bug! | 16:15 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Forwarded. | 16:15 |
| rick_h_ | that's ok tjagoda I hear win7 is 2% over XP now yay | 16:15 |
| tjagoda | We're rolling to win7 next quarter | 16:15 |
| wolfger | Win7 ftw \o/ | 16:15 |
| brousch | we are running 5 year old winxp desktops here. it sucks | 16:15 |
| tjagoda | I wait for SP1 to be well-entrenched | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | just like staples is rolling to IE8...oh that's right, they said that last april | 16:16 |
| tjagoda | Well | 16:16 |
| * rick_h_ hates large corps | 16:16 | |
| tjagoda | I am not staples | 16:16 |
| tjagoda | So screw you | 16:16 |
| brousch | my 10.04 lts desktop is bleeding edge compared to the rest of my users | 16:16 |
| tjagoda | =P | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | I never said tjagoda, I said "enterprises" | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | why be specific when you can be general and use a large brush :) | 16:16 |
| wolfger | ...and while we're talking about upgrades... how can I downgrade my phone back off of Froyo? It really rather sucks :-p | 16:16 |
| brousch | flash an old rom? | 16:17 |
| jcastro | snap-l: oh man, that totally sucks | 16:17 |
| jcastro | snap-l: does the amazon store work? | 16:17 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Yeah, so essentially I'm fucked for purchasing via U1 | 16:17 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Yeah, it works, but I'd rather use U1, funny enough | 16:17 |
| jcastro | yeah that is funny | 16:17 |
| jcastro | I've been waiting for the amazon store | 16:18 |
| jcastro | either way, a purchase helps ubuntu | 16:18 |
| tjagoda | Does ubuntu make any $$ of the U1MS? | 16:18 |
| tjagoda | Ah | 16:18 |
| tjagoda | Does it make more off one or the other? | 16:18 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Thing is, I don't have to worry about backing up my purchases with U1 | 16:18 |
| tjagoda | And is Ubuntu still loosing as opposed to making money? =( | 16:18 |
| snap-l | It's the most clever way for my music wants | 16:19 |
| tjagoda | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/04/05/canonical_kills_free_ubuntu_cd_program/ | 16:19 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Not news. | 16:19 |
| jrwren | that is so last week. | 16:19 |
| tjagoda | It is news to I | 16:20 |
| tjagoda | Sadness | 16:20 |
| tjagoda | I had fond memories of being young and enraged at how long I had to wait for that disk | 16:20 |
| tjagoda | because I was on dial-up at home | 16:20 |
| tjagoda | =P | 16:20 |
| jcastro | locos are fine | 16:20 |
| jcastro | we just won't be sending individuals CDs | 16:20 |
| jcastro | USB keys are the way to go at locos anyway imo, it's so much faster and less annoying than CD installs | 16:21 |
| tjagoda | True | 16:21 |
| tjagoda | netbook doesn't even had CDROM anymore | 16:21 |
| jrwren | ++ | 16:21 |
| jrwren | the other day I had wished I had kept or copied one of those keys from you | 16:22 |
| jcastro | heh | 16:22 |
| jrwren | plus 1G keys are basically free these days. | 16:22 |
| jcastro | I have a PXE installer at home | 16:22 |
| jrwren | i was at work. | 16:22 |
| jcastro | IMO it never made sense to do CDs in the USA and Europe | 16:22 |
| jcastro | should have concentrated on the low income countries | 16:22 |
| snap-l | ++ | 16:22 |
| snap-l | though folks in the USA and Europe would have bitched | 16:23 |
| jcastro | I mean, it's nice marketing, but do we really need premade ISOs at our events? | 16:23 |
| krondor | wolfger: just move forward to gingerbread | 16:23 |
| jcastro | when one of us could have just burned them | 16:23 |
| jrwren | but I guess there is an ubuntu server at work that I could turn into a PXE in no time. | 16:23 |
| jcastro | jrwren: we're close to finishing cobbler integration | 16:23 |
| jcastro | next LTS will be awesome in that regard | 16:23 |
| jrwren | sweet. | 16:23 |
| jcastro | "cobbler --add whatever-release" or something | 16:23 |
| jrwren | plus the CDs are out of date pretty quick. | 16:24 |
| jcastro | yeah | 16:24 |
| jrwren | i've seen little stacks of old ubuntu lying around lots of places. | 16:24 |
| jcastro | it can like autoupdate | 16:24 |
| snap-l | I always love it whenever I mention that I use U1 and U1MS. | 16:27 |
| snap-l | I feel like the only one who uses this stuff | 16:28 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: :) | 16:29 |
| brousch | i feel special with my stack of ancient ubuntu CDs. started with warty | 16:30 |
| snap-l | (1) Consult Ubuntu Forums for information about portable music players that are supported by Ubuntu. Ubuntu 10.04 LTS now supports iPhone and iPod Touch. | 16:31 |
| snap-l | ^ HAH! | 16:31 |
| rick_h_ | scary that something says "consult ubuntu forums" | 16:33 |
| snap-l | a-yep | 16:33 |
| tjagoda | snap-l: Do you still fit inside the 2GB, or did you pay out for more? | 16:35 |
| snap-l | I spent more $$ | 16:36 |
| greg-g | snap-l: what the hell suggested "consulting" the forums? it is more like "banging your head against" | 16:36 |
| snap-l | https://one.ubuntu.com/music/ | 16:36 |
| greg-g | not even a link to a specific thread, wow, way to throw people to the wolves with that one. Why didn't they just say "RTFM"? | 16:39 |
| snap-l | Consult the Googles | 16:39 |
| snap-l | lmgtfy.com | 16:39 |
| greg-g | love that site | 16:39 |
| gamerchick02 | lol @ greg-g | 16:57 |
| gamerchick02 | a specific thread is a good idea. | 16:57 |
| gamerchick02 | oh, and listening to the newest lococast! woo! | 16:57 |
| rick_h_ | gamerchick02: awesome, I think it's a pretty good one myself :) | 17:03 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah | 17:03 |
| gamerchick02 | i'll have to pause it, because we're getting lunch. | 17:03 |
| snap-l | I'm proud of all of the episodes we've done | 17:04 |
| gamerchick02 | i've been interrupted three times in listening, and missed a bunch. i love lococast | 17:04 |
| gamerchick02 | i've been answering email like a boss this morning. | 17:04 |
| snap-l | Each one starts off feeling like "what are we going to talk about", and in the end, I feel like we pulled something special out of each one. | 17:05 |
| snap-l | gamerchick02: Yeah, today is a productivity day for me | 17:05 |
| snap-l | Had 14 follow-up mails. Now, I have 4 | 17:05 |
| gamerchick02 | it's really nice out too | 17:05 |
| gamerchick02 | nice | 17:05 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I think I'm going to move my base of operations to conference room 2 | 17:06 |
| snap-l | aka: the lving room | 17:06 |
| gamerchick02 | :) | 17:07 |
| gamerchick02 | more comfortable? | 17:07 |
| snap-l | More light | 17:07 |
| gamerchick02 | ah | 17:07 |
| gamerchick02 | bbiab. lunch | 17:07 |
| snap-l | http://www.humblebundle.com/ | 17:20 |
| snap-l | IT'S ON | 17:20 |
| tjagoda | I like the stats there | 17:23 |
| tjagoda | Average Windows: $4.37 | 17:24 |
| tjagoda | Average Mac: $6.93 | 17:24 |
| tjagoda | Average Linux: $12.24 | 17:24 |
| tjagoda | And they say there's no money in the linux game market ;) | 17:24 |
| snap-l | I gave 'em $20 | 17:24 |
| rick_h_ | you cheap bastarts...oh wait...that big number is us | 17:24 |
| snap-l | considering I was going to get the two Shadowground games at some point, it's a no-brainer | 17:26 |
| snap-l | those games are awesome. | 17:26 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: I'm telling jodee, the groupon of games just sucked you in :P | 17:26 |
| snap-l | I don't care. | 17:27 |
| snap-l | She knows my hot-buttons. | 17:27 |
| tjagoda | snap-l: Does it auto-determine your platform? | 17:27 |
| tjagoda | Or do you pick during checkout? | 17:28 |
| snap-l | I didn't choose, so I think it's auto-dtermined | 17:28 |
| tjagoda | Then I'll wait until I'm home on the Linux machine | 17:28 |
| wolfger | Linux users pay more for free games because they have lower expectations :-p | 17:42 |
| ColonelPanic001 | wolfger ++ | 17:43 |
| wolfger | The windows guy is like "WTF? This sucks compared to WoW." | 17:44 |
| wolfger | or whatever today's hot game is | 17:44 |
| wolfger | I really need to get Eve running on Ubuntu... But first I need a wifi that doesn't crap out every 3 minutes | 17:44 |
| wolfger | Then I'd only use Win7 on the weekends, when the wife wants to play some DDO | 17:45 |
| rick_h_ | yay for sucky work network, can't even stream music to the desktop now | 17:46 |
| gamerchick02 | back. | 17:49 |
| gamerchick02 | wolfger: he's comparing an indie game to WoW? | 17:53 |
| _stink_ | a third humble bundle?? | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | looks like it. | 17:53 |
| wolfger | gamerchick02: I'm saying that's the mentality | 17:54 |
| wolfger | Linux gamers are much more appreciative of indy games than Windows gamers are | 17:54 |
| _stink_ | hot damn. | 17:54 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm saying that's silly. ;) some expecations are crazy | 17:54 |
| gamerchick02 | we are! | 17:54 |
| gamerchick02 | and i like indy stuff on windows too. | 17:55 |
| wolfger | Android is pissing me off now | 17:55 |
| wolfger | is there any way to stop apps from starting themselves.... over and over... no matter how many times I kill them?!? | 17:55 |
| wolfger | I mean, aside from uninstalling the apps, which I am on the verge of doing. | 17:56 |
| gamerchick02 | i'd just uninstall them and if they ask why, tell them why. | 17:57 |
| gamerchick02 | sorry about that | 17:57 |
| gamerchick02 | ok. seriously, fuck you, yahoo: "Sorry, the all-new Yahoo! Mail does not support your browser." | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | that's a load of crap if I've ever seen it. i'm running chrome beta. >_< | 17:58 |
| krondor | wolfger: what apps? | 17:59 |
| krondor | people still use yahoo mail? what UAString does chrome beta use anyway? | 18:00 |
| tjagoda | wolfger: You play EVE? | 18:01 |
| tjagoda | There are a few penguicon network guys who play EVE as well that I corp'ed with for a while | 18:01 |
| gamerchick02 | krondor: I keep it around for spam crap (like signing up for various things) | 18:01 |
| tjagoda | I think you can egt it working under WINE | 18:01 |
| wolfger | krondor: well let's see... Since the last time I hit the ATK button, the following apps have restarted without my intervention or consent: AT&T Hot Spots, Mustard, Facebook. But there are more, I routinely see 9 or so apps running that I never started | 18:01 |
| wolfger | tjagoda: I am an EVE addict | 18:01 |
| tjagoda | Wolfger: I have a battlecruiser | 18:02 |
| tjagoda | I think | 18:02 |
| tjagoda | Hard to remember, I've been off the rocks for a few months | 18:02 |
| wolfger | Well, look me up sometime. (i.e. play again sometime) | 18:02 |
| krondor | wolfger: those have services to check for notifications. That's why they show in your running list. | 18:03 |
| wolfger | I've got it installed under WINE, but it goes to the "accept the EULA" screen which is blank and I can't scroll to the bottom of nothing to accept.... :-p | 18:03 |
| krondor | wolfger: do you use a taskkiller? don't in froyo and up, they're not helpful and make things worse really.. | 18:04 |
| wolfger | krondor: I'm using ATK, but the damne things keep respawning. More have come back during this conversation: Dropbox, Playmaker, Firefox, Mediahub have also spawned | 18:05 |
| tjagoda | Somebody payed $1024 for the humble bundle | 18:05 |
| wolfger | There's no excuse for this | 18:05 |
| rick_h_ | that's so awesome I'm speachless | 18:05 |
| tjagoda | I know | 18:05 |
| gamerchick02 | that is awesome, re paying $1024 for the bundle... | 18:07 |
| gamerchick02 | wow | 18:07 |
| tjagoda | I hope he was on Linux | 18:07 |
| tjagoda | he/she | 18:07 |
| tjagoda | Looks like a twitter name | 18:07 |
| tjagoda | @ExpiredPopsicle | 18:07 |
| gamerchick02 | lol @ the twitter name. | 18:08 |
| _stink_ | it would be awesome if we had some warning about these, and we (the loco) could pool together for a huge payment, then share the files. | 18:08 |
| _stink_ | i guess that would reduce the # for linux, but give us a potential huge payment. | 18:08 |
| tjagoda | http://twitter.com/humble | 18:08 |
| tjagoda | ExpiredPopsicle is a coder/artists | 18:10 |
| tjagoda | artist | 18:10 |
| tjagoda | looks like Linux | 18:10 |
| tjagoda | whoot | 18:10 |
| jjesse | can someone explain to me why i should be excited google docs now does pagination? | 18:10 |
| tjagoda | PAGINATION IS FUCKING SWEET | 18:10 |
| jjesse | cause every other word process program could do it forever? | 18:11 |
| tjagoda | Yes | 18:12 |
| tjagoda | Basically | 18:12 |
| jjesse | so i should b e excited that google docs can do things everyone else can? | 18:13 |
| brousch | wolfger: what phone do you have? my boss has a htc somethingorother and has the same problem | 18:13 |
| wolfger | brousch: Samsung Captivate | 18:15 |
| wolfger | Google shows other people complaining the same since Froyo update | 18:15 |
| wolfger | and some folks say the solution is to use built-in task manager instead of ATK, but those people are smoking 7 gram rocks | 18:16 |
| _stink_ | i just had to look up 'pagination'. | 18:16 |
| wolfger | because the built in task manager is trying to tell me I have 0 programs running, despite the fact that I have some programs which I have manually started and left running on purpose :-p | 18:17 |
| wolfger | I did get into the settings and kill some services, but not every program I'm having issues with had an associated service | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | crap, they've made django loving a class in college now? http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/go9wc/ask_python_why_are_lesspopular_web_frameworks/ | 18:17 |
| brousch | is 7 grams a big rock or a small rock? | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | depends on the type of rock :) | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | diamond == big | 18:18 |
| brousch | rick_h_: what else is there to love about python? | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: clearly I've been missing out | 18:18 |
| wolfger | brousch: I assume 7g is a big rock, from the way Charlie Sheen portrays it | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | I promise to reform my ways immediately and throw sqlalchemy, mako, and all to the curb | 18:19 |
| brousch | rick_h_: well wolfger mentioned smoking it, so i assume it is some kind of edible rock | 18:19 |
| brousch | rick_h_: django and web2py are what make python awesome | 18:20 |
| jrwren | they aren't less popular. | 18:20 |
| jrwren | we do more django than rails here. | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: nothing to do with rails | 18:20 |
| brousch | jrwren: nice | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | it's in the python world | 18:20 |
| jrwren | rails people are busy talking about how awesome they are, python people are quietly shipping sweet software. | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | django == popular kid vs all the really functional python web frameworks out there | 18:20 |
| brousch | chicago has a django group | 18:21 |
| jrwren | oh... isee the question now. | 18:21 |
| _stink_ | wow, rick_h_ got going on django and brousch didn't even have to bait him :P | 18:21 |
| jrwren | that is a silly question. | 18:21 |
| brousch | 30 people at the meeting | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: the article was bait | 18:21 |
| jrwren | flip that question around... why are tehre so many interesting adn experimental python web framekworks? | 18:21 |
| _stink_ | hehe | 18:21 |
| wolfger | "django" always makes me think "Mr. Bojangles" | 18:21 |
| jrwren | well DUH! because "We are finding better ways to develop software." | 18:21 |
| brousch | even though i use mostly django, i'm glad there are these other frameworks. people are still thinking about how to solve problems better | 18:24 |
| brousch | some of those discoveries eventually make their way into django | 18:25 |
| brousch | if you hate rails, you probably aren't going to use ruby. if you hate django, you still have a lot of options for using python | 18:26 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 18:33 |
| wolfger | use perl; | 18:34 |
| brousch | are there any webapp frameworks in perl? | 18:35 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yes, there are | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Mason, iirc | 18:35 |
| brousch | my impression is that perl's only purpose is to create open source applications that no one else can understand | 18:36 |
| wolfger | brousch: Catalyst | 18:37 |
| wolfger | also, apparently, Mojolicious | 18:38 |
| wolfger | https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/web_frameworks | 18:38 |
| wolfger | there's lots there | 18:39 |
| jrwren | what is the perl mvc framework that Randy likes ? | 18:40 |
| wolfger | I dunno. Randy who? | 18:44 |
| snap-l | Randall Schwartz | 18:52 |
| wolfger | CGI::Prototype if Google is to be believed. :-) | 18:55 |
| jrwren | noes | 18:55 |
| wolfger | No, Google isn't to be believed? | 18:57 |
| wolfger | Or no, not Randall Schwartz? | 18:57 |
| jrwren | yes randal s. | 19:06 |
| jrwren | but not cgi::prototype | 19:06 |
| jrwren | I might be thinking of his smalltalk framework he loved, but I swear there was a perl framekwork that he said was similar. | 19:06 |
| snap-l | I think it's telling that nobody in our little group knows of any that are all that good | 19:21 |
| wolfger | Yes. It's telling that none of us use Perl for web apps. Or at least, not since the 80's when Mason was the shit. | 19:22 |
| wolfger | early 90's even | 19:23 |
| snap-l | I never even used Mason | 19:24 |
| snap-l | coded it all via CGI.pm | 19:24 |
| snap-l | That was the shit, and nbody could tell me otherwise. :) | 19:24 |
| wolfger | yeah, pretty much. | 19:24 |
| wolfger | Mason was "better", but not worth learning for what I was doing. | 19:24 |
| snap-l | I never even heard of it until much later. | 19:27 |
| jrwren | yup. | 19:38 |
| jrwren | cgi.pm was the bomb. | 19:38 |
| jrwren | slashcode is still perl. | 19:38 |
| gamerchick02 | has anyone heard of losing their mouse pointer on their second monitor? that happened to me a little bit ago, and that's why i disappeared for a minute. | 19:58 |
| tjagoda | wtf? | 20:05 |
| gamerchick02 | to me? indeed. | 20:06 |
| gamerchick02 | very strange. not sure what was going on there. | 20:06 |
| gamerchick02 | i logged out and back in and it's fine. | 20:06 |
| tjagoda | So it just blinked away | 20:06 |
| tjagoda | Sounds like natty. | 20:06 |
| tjagoda | =P | 20:06 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah. was very strange | 20:07 |
| gamerchick02 | but if i hovered over something, it'd highlight | 20:07 |
| gamerchick02 | you know how you hover over someone's name in empathy and the hover thing shows? yeah, i was getting that, but no cursor. | 20:07 |
| _stink_ | i've seen X bugs like that before. | 20:09 |
| _stink_ | only the logout-login fixes it for what i remember. | 20:09 |
| tjagoda | Time for Wayland! ;) | 20:09 |
| gamerchick02 | i've never had that happen before. | 20:10 |
| gamerchick02 | oh well, a first time for everything, right? | 20:10 |
| greg-g | gamerchick02: now you can feel a part of the club, or something ;) | 20:11 |
| gamerchick02 | or something is right. heh | 20:11 |
| gamerchick02 | ok, just happened again. wtf? | 20:16 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm getting some updates. i'll restart after them and see if my problem goes away. | 20:18 |
| snap-l | God, I want to lik this band, but whomever records their music needs to take up another career | 20:18 |
| snap-l | http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/87934 | 20:18 |
| gamerchick02 | which band? | 20:18 |
| snap-l | Usually a band that has a shit studio album has a better live album | 20:19 |
| snap-l | or vice versa | 20:19 |
| snap-l | but this band has both | 20:19 |
| gamerchick02 | oi. bad music or badly recorded? | 20:19 |
| snap-l | badly recorded | 20:20 |
| gamerchick02 | ah | 20:20 |
| gamerchick02 | ok. logging out and back in. stupid loss of mouse pointer. | 20:21 |
| gamerchick02 | bbiab | 20:21 |
| snap-l | there is no excuse for poorly recorded industrial music. :) | 20:36 |
| rick_h_ | lol, love my company | 20:58 |
| rick_h_ | so 'on the ball' | 20:58 |
| brousch | they must be. they hired you | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | "We think video is the future, so we're going to have a team compitition to make the best video with these flip cams" | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | "winning team gets a flip cam for each person on the team!" | 21:11 |
| * rick_h_ debates raising hand..."you saw cisco is killing flip right?" | 21:11 | |
| brousch | that's how they got them so cheap | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 21:12 |
| brousch | i assume you'll be posting your nerdcore video on youtube | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | but of course...with my flip cam...ugh | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | first the netbook for christmas bonus and now flip cam compitition | 21:13 |
| brousch | i hate video. it's so slow | 21:14 |
| brousch | slow to shoot. slow to process. slow to download. slow to watch | 21:14 |
| rick_h_ | irc-cam? | 21:14 |
| brousch | do that video->ascii thing they were doing at the meeting | 21:16 |
| snap-l | God, I hate passwords on this one system | 21:25 |
| snap-l | It requires 6-8 characters, and at least one special character | 21:25 |
| jjesse | isn't that standard? | 21:26 |
| snap-l | But apparently the special character that I chose isn't accepted on the login screen | 21:26 |
| snap-l | FilterType":15,"ValidChars":"_%!$*","id":"FilteredtxtPassword" | 21:27 |
| snap-l | Seriously, if you're going to require at least one special character, you might want to open up the field just a hair | 21:28 |
| jrwren | what does meta-a do in irssi? | 21:38 |
| _stink_ | moves to the next channel with unread messages | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | looks like it goes to the next channel | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | ooh, even better | 21:39 |
| jrwren | why have i never used this before? | 21:39 |
| jrwren | now i just need a "to window you just came from" and I'm happy happy | 21:39 |
| _stink_ | yeah, i can't believe there's nothing that does that. | 21:39 |
| Blazeix | weechat has that feature. If you type meta+4, it will go to window 4, and if you hit it again it goes back to the original window | 21:40 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Blazeix ++ | 21:49 |
| jrwren | weechat? | 21:49 |
| jrwren | irssi 4 life | 21:49 |
| Blazeix | If you can get past the stupid name, it's actually quite a nice client :) | 21:50 |
| Milyardo | mylife4irssi | 21:52 |
| snap-l | Is anyone else going to ignite on Thursday? | 22:07 |
| widox | anyone know where to go for the mug meeting tonight? | 22:13 |
| snap-l | Sure | 22:13 |
| snap-l | Engineering Society of Detroit | 22:13 |
| snap-l | 20700 Civic Center Drive | 22:13 |
| snap-l | Suite 450 | 22:13 |
| snap-l | Southfield, MI 48076 | 22:13 |
| widox | where at inside? | 22:14 |
| jrwren | suite 450? | 22:14 |
| snap-l | yes | 22:14 |
| widox | oh, heh | 22:14 |
| * widox can't read | 22:14 | |
| widox | better question, any heads up on finding the room? | 22:15 |
| jrwren | take elevator to 4th floor. | 22:15 |
| jrwren | follow sign to 450 | 22:16 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's pretty straightforward | 22:16 |
| widox | ok, thanks. wasn't sure what the building was like | 22:19 |
| Blazeix | watch out for the spike traps | 22:20 |
| _stink_ | it's like Pitfall | 22:21 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Shhh, you'll give away the ending | 22:27 |
| _stink_ | haha | 22:28 |
| widox | har | 22:28 |
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