[00:03] … [01:43] Good eeeevening [01:44] yes it is [01:44] 8:44 pm [01:45] doh [01:45] wrong channel [01:49] <_stink_> when i was a kid, 8:44pm was snacktime before bed [01:49] <_stink_> my brother at like age 8 would go push the buttons on the microwave to make it say 8:44 [01:50] <_stink_> when it was 7pm [01:50] hahaha [01:50] <_stink_> rotten kid [01:50] mmmm snack time [03:52] _stink_: you're brother is awesome [04:03] <_stink_> clever, at least. [13:29] g'morning [13:31] party [13:34] greg-g: any wikimedia news? [13:35] not yet, I'll find out "early this week" which means it better be today :) [13:35] tjagoda: Show all windows open in Unity? I think jcastro covered that in his demo video [13:36] greg-g: awesome [13:40] brousch: Where is this video? [13:40] http://castrojo.blip.tv/file/4997614/ [13:42] So many hard lockups with 11.04 [13:42] =( [13:42] really? [13:42] wifi back to crapping out every 3 minutes in 11.04 :-( [13:43] and occasionally hard locking when I modprobe it back [13:49] I have no clue why it hardlocks [13:49] I'll just walk away [13:49] come back to a frozen screensaver [13:50] =( [13:51] tjagoda: Maybe your machine has crap video drivers? [13:54] is it one of those fancy 3d screensavers? [13:55] i always use blank screen [13:58] Yeah, me too. [14:06] My machine is a system76 [14:06] It does not have crap video drivers [14:06] =( [14:10] Pretty sure its intel anyway [14:10] It has Intel, right? [14:10] So, yes it does. :) [14:10] Dude [14:10] I have had it since 2009 [14:10] You know how many lockups I had? [14:10] 0 [14:10] Big fat 0 [14:10] Never even crashed to login until Unity [14:10] You're not trying hard enough [14:11] thing was rock freaking solid [14:11] See? Unity has unlocked the potential of your laptop [14:11] The potential for locking up [14:11] it's in every machine [14:11] ... [14:11] I hate you so much [14:11] =P [14:12] Perhaps when system76 catches up to 11.04 and releases an updated system76-driver it will improve [14:27] hmm http://ubuntu-releases.eecs.wsu.edu/natty/ seems down [14:29] It resolved here [14:29] And I am able to grab the iso [14:29] Your DNS has a failwhale [14:29] ? [14:30] damn work for their IE only freaking review site working...ugh [14:30] and people that force caps in their urls deservce to be shot [14:30] that is all... [14:30] yeah i get connection timed out on uverse but everything else seems good, maybe I'll try google's dns and see [14:30] my uverse is acting all batty lately anyway [14:31] krondor: yea, was having some issues yesterday as well [14:31] I setup google dns and still having some unhappy bits over the pipes [14:31] Comcast dns was fail a while back [14:32] I like openDNS [14:32] comcast always has DNS issues, that alone made me setup DNS on my colo at first [14:32] 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 [14:32] Yeah, I use Google DNS [14:33] seems to be pretty rock-solid. [14:33] rick_h_: it's because uverse knows its end is coming at my house so it has to act up (data caps on the way and alll) [14:33] krondor: Funny enough, they (AT&T)just laid some fiber over here, and had someone go door-to-door to let everyone know. [14:33] lol [14:33] So there may be more traffic. ;) [14:34] Thats kind of sad [14:34] "PLEASE DONT LEAVE" [14:34] "NEW FIBER LOL!" [14:34] I already did [14:34] I'm on wowway, and it's nice. [14:34] If wow offered service out here I'd switch in a heartbeat [14:34] Loathe comcast [14:35] yeah that's how I ended up switching to it, the door to door guys have promos online doesn't. It was like 300 dollars in visa gift cards plus half off the service for 1 year. [14:35] Anybody run on FiOS? [14:36] Don't they put "no caps" into their advertising? [14:36] Comcast is shit [14:37] I need to look at wow again, heard good things but last I looked they only had like 8 mbps in my area. I hear it's near 18 now or something... [14:37] I only have 8Mbps [14:38] though their home page makes me want to puke. [14:38] if I go to wowway.com, it redirects me to their portal [14:38] geez, I leave for my bikeride in and you all turn into chatty cathys [14:39] Does Fios even run in michigan? [14:39] tjagoda: not that I've heard [14:39] ='( [14:39] Wow, they have 15down, 2 up [14:40] 72.99 [14:40] mmmm [14:40] And they don't try and filter your shit and make it difficult to run home servers [14:40] Have a friend who runs an entire exchange server from his basement on wow [14:40] add phone, and you only get 8Mbps [14:41] krondor: do you hit the caps? on userver it's some 250gb [14:42] while I'm cranky about the caps in general, I don't think I come up to them [14:42] that's kind of pricey for that. Uverse is $60 for 24 down 3 up, but if it's capped I guess what's the point? [14:42] the only other option is to go back to comcast which only has half the speed and ugh cable [14:42] rick_h_: they're not active yet in our area but they're coming, I've heard May. It's 250 GB/month for all plans. [14:42] krondor: right, but I'm not coming up to 250gb/mo [14:42] you can exceed it 3 times for the life of your account and after the 3rd overage they bill you the excess. [14:42] so still > comcast [14:43] nice [14:43] Oh that's brilliant [14:43] I'm over it most months. Netflix is a hungry animal. [14:43] yea, we do netflix, but tends to just be a movie/two per week [14:44] not a daily affair [14:44] so where you headed to then? [14:44] do you have more than comcast in the area? [14:44] wow as well, I'd probably be looking at WoW first and then maybe comcast or comcast business class. [14:45] n0p_: why did you guys cancel wow? I don't recall [14:45] yea, I think jcastro has the comcast business class and loves it [14:47] primarily because of the move [14:47] gotcha [14:48] was sorta wanting to, just due to the overall expense [14:48] but was satisfied with their service overall [14:48] Did you get the cable TV stuff? [14:48] oh, yeah, was just TV [14:48] stuck with comcast for Internet [14:48] Yeah, TV is expensive [14:48] Wow speeds are slower [14:48] I just use them for phone and internet [14:48] or at least they were when i was evaluating [14:49] They still are [14:49] 8Mbps down, 1Mbps up [14:49] You can get 15/2, but that's without phone [14:49] which leads me to believe they're reserving bandwidth. ;) [14:49] people still have phones? [14:49] rick_h_: Land-lines at that. [14:49] heh, yeah, broadvoice still [14:50] n0p_: yea, same here [14:50] still good for call that consume minutes [14:50] Funy enough, for conference calls, I still use Skype. ;) [14:50] 1800 calls = free [14:50] i cant imagine talking on a real land line again, i am sure the quality would be awesome [14:51] I love my land-line [14:51] cell and voip phones are not that great imo [14:51] Well, my land-line is voip, and it's pretty good [14:51] they get the job done, but miss the clarity of a call [14:51] compared with what I was using before with DSL / Land Line, it's comparable [14:52] and considering that all of the traffic now is VOIP anyway (even on a conventional land line)... :) [14:52] BTW: MUG Tonight, folks. [14:52] heh, yeah [14:53] man, not going to make another one [14:53] 0-4 this year :( [14:53] priorities, man. ;) [14:54] Just leave Michael home alone. What's the wors that could happen? [14:54] hah [14:55] Dear Ticketmaster: Someone who bought tickets for Rush might like Bob Seger. They're not likely to enjoy Glee or NKOTB / BSB. [14:57] sounds like logical associations to me, and i'm sure they have petabytes of data behind their suggestions [15:05] snap-l: you didn't see the Rush episode of Glee? [15:08] there is a rush episode? [15:10] and that BSB documentary had them mentioning Rush as a primary musical influence for the producer that actually wrote their songs, oh wait I mean I've never seen a BSB documentary. [15:11] what is BSB? [15:11] back street boys? [15:12] back street's back, ALL RIGHT! [15:12] <_stink_> and that's why greg-g is a hit with the ladies. [15:12] dismantled lists paula abdul as an influence... sooo.... [15:13] _stink_: hey, in high school, two years in a row, my buddies and I did full-length dances to BSB songs, 1 song the first year then added another one the second year. The ladies loved it. [15:13] Hey, she influenced my teenage years... [15:13] now I look at her and say "wtf was I thinking?" [15:14] we watched their music video and learned their dance moves. We had a buddy who if it wasn't a preacher's son would have been, well, you know ;) [15:14] wolfger: i am guessing that is how it was for dismantled. i've you've never heard 'em, they are hella sweet adn you wouldn't guess paula as influence [15:14] <_stink_> greg-g: i have now slotted the high school aged greg-g into a nice little stereotyped box. :) [15:14] greg-g: lol [15:14] greg-g: cliche [15:14] _stink_: awesome [15:14] jrwren: :P [15:15] <_stink_> greg-g: did you have some kind of mock rock competition thing at which to do those dances? [15:15] oh, no, sorry, this was at prom, that was an important part of that story [15:15] <_stink_> ahhhh [15:16] <_stink_> wow [15:16] sorry, multitask.... huh, ohai [15:44] bwahaha [15:44] I just bansihed non-blackberry devices from this workplace [15:44] RIM should thank me. [15:44] way to go, jerk [15:45] hater of choice [15:45] Not like Android is going to be open much longer anyway ;D [15:45] or something [15:45] tjagoda: Way to make a monoculture [15:45] fascist bureaucrat. die in a shredder [15:46] I hope Blackberry doesn't have some major bug that paralyzes your infrastructure. [15:46] When Ford got nailed witht eh "ILoveYou" virus, my Linux machine was one of the few able to continue working [15:47] Mmmm [15:47] Easily manageable monoculture [15:47] Mmmm. Easily destroyable monoculture [15:47] Of course, I kept saying "I love you" to the PC support guy. ;) [15:47] Yes [15:48] And so are all my windows end nodes [15:48] but blackberry SUCKS!!! [15:48] Your network looks tasty. [15:48] well, it sucks for end users. blackberry from an admin pov is SWEET. [15:48] as long as you ahve budget for bb ent server. [15:48] I finally agree with jrwren on something =P [15:49] My e-mail is so secure that the UAE wants to outlaw blackberries [15:49] lol. [15:49] SCREW YOUR USER FRIENDLINESS [15:49] weren't people protesting there recently? [15:49] err, no... that was saudi arabiea. [15:49] Yeah, I think UAE has been placid thus far [15:49] didn't the saudi gvment get a special BB deal ? [15:50] They got banned [15:50] but then agreed to the possibility of putting a routing server in saudi arabia [15:50] you know what's even more secure? not using email at all. cheaper, too [15:51] You know what's even more secure? [15:51] This abacus [15:51] =P [15:51] i disagree. an abacus would be easier to see from a satellite compared to a calculator screen [15:52] I can put a virus on your calculator [15:52] it runs basic [15:52] you've probably got a monoculture of TI devices [15:52] unless your a freak like snap-l with his HP [15:52] =P [15:52] we have special-purpose construction calcs actually [15:52] tjagoda: You mean my wife's HP [15:52] which she loves. [15:53] my calculator runs android [15:55] *sigh* [15:55] Banshee 2.0 under Lucid won't be able to support tue U1MS [15:55] and Rhythmbox doesn't have an update for the newer, and more stable U1 foo [15:55] What is U1MS? [15:56] so I either need to stick with 1.8.1, which is a crashy piece of shit [15:56] Ubuntu 1 Music Store [15:56] or upgrade to Natty / Maverick [15:56] God bless Banshee [15:57] or switch to AmazonMP3 [15:57] :-D [15:57] wolfger: Fuck off [15:57] * wolfger removes snap-l's seatbelts [16:00] Seatbelts! [16:00] Trolololol [16:00] You are all trolls [16:00] =P [16:00] you didn't know? #ubuntu-us-mi will be renamed #michigan-troll-proving-grounds [16:01] trollface.jpg !!!!! [16:01] tjagoda: so you've seen the blackberry pwn2own results then right? lol [16:03] snap-l: I'm sure there will be a PPA with banshee+U1MS [16:03] there just isn't yet :( [16:03] :( [16:03] I doubt it [16:04] so go make one. [16:04] jrwren: You first. :) [16:04] snap-l should come join us in crashahppy natty [16:04] crashhappy* [16:05] I'd like to actually have what I used to have working work again [16:05] unfortunately, I can't seem to install anything for Banshee that will get the U1 music store working again [16:05] whatever I have is compiled for 1.6.1 [16:05] (*sigh*) [16:07] is the U1 add in open source? [16:07] main rig now has natty instead of gentoo :) [16:08] What's with this * crap in correcting a typo. Doesn't anybody know how to regex anymore? [16:08] jrwren: yeah its just a frontend for libubuntuone [16:08] krondor: boo! [16:09] I'd go do it, but I don't have a lucid system anymore... i'm all natty [16:09] wolfger I have a short attention span, so we'll see how long it lasts [16:09] if the don't get my wifi working again, I'm ditching Natty for Oneiric [16:09] what wifi? [16:09] realtek [16:10] i've been only intel for so long, its been great. [16:10] was busted all to hell, then became functional, now again busted all to hell [16:10] I hope my stability comes back when system76 released the 11.04 version of system76-driver [16:10] I love how LTS is pretty much Long Term Suck-it. ;) [16:10] LOL [16:10] Yeah [16:10] snap-l++ [16:10] bad choice for an LTS [16:10] reaaaal bad choice [16:10] even if he was rude to me [16:10] to much change [16:10] ;-) [16:11] Is 11.10 supposed to have a focus of quality? [16:11] =P [16:11] 12.04 would be the next lts [16:11] I seriously doubt it [16:11] Well, seriously, 10.04 is pretty much becoming useless [16:12] because you can't use the fancy new music store? [16:12] we are at Quality Quail -3 (those of us running Natty) [16:12] Because stability is no longer supported. [16:12] i think we have different definitions of useful [16:12] snap-l: the definition of "stable" in an LTS is least amount of change as possible [16:13] jcastro: Well, I had to upgrade my Ubuntu One to have it stable [16:13] right [16:13] :-/ [16:13] i have machines i want to sit there for 2, 3, 4 years without mucking around [16:13] and that change busted rhythmbox's U1 store [16:13] Rythmwhat? [16:13] for servers I've found LTS to be rock solid. [16:13] Whats that? [16:14] File a bug on LP. I'm sure they'll get right on that [16:14] and now Banshee is going to drop U1 because of dependencies for Lucid [16:14] ;) [16:14] so...the broken bit is relying on u1 :P [16:14] as for desktop... i can't understand teh LTS mindset. [16:14] I can [16:14] jrwren: I can [16:14] jrwren: I don't want shit to break. [16:14] Truth [16:14] Put that shit out on enterprise desktops [16:14] then sleep [16:14] jrwren: my desktop is for deving to servers, why not keep pretty close? [16:14] and do an upgrade cycle in 2 years [16:14] =P [16:14] rick_h_: now THAT i understand. rick_h_ ftw [16:14] lol, right because all the enterprise running XP is upgrading every 2 years [16:14] chrome + LTS = the win [16:15] jcastro: If you want the message thread, LMK [16:15] snap-l: fwd it to me pls. [16:15] rick_h: bad analogy [16:15] windows vista sucked [16:15] hey, in other, surprising good news, we fixed that guy's gpodder bug! [16:15] jcastro: Forwarded. [16:15] that's ok tjagoda I hear win7 is 2% over XP now yay [16:15] We're rolling to win7 next quarter [16:15] Win7 ftw \o/ [16:15] we are running 5 year old winxp desktops here. it sucks [16:16] I wait for SP1 to be well-entrenched [16:16] just like staples is rolling to IE8...oh that's right, they said that last april [16:16] Well [16:16] * rick_h_ hates large corps [16:16] I am not staples [16:16] So screw you [16:16] my 10.04 lts desktop is bleeding edge compared to the rest of my users [16:16] =P [16:16] I never said tjagoda, I said "enterprises" [16:16] :) [16:16] why be specific when you can be general and use a large brush :) [16:16] ...and while we're talking about upgrades... how can I downgrade my phone back off of Froyo? It really rather sucks :-p [16:17] flash an old rom? [16:17] snap-l: oh man, that totally sucks [16:17] snap-l: does the amazon store work? [16:17] jcastro: Yeah, so essentially I'm fucked for purchasing via U1 [16:17] jcastro: Yeah, it works, but I'd rather use U1, funny enough [16:17] yeah that is funny [16:18] I've been waiting for the amazon store [16:18] either way, a purchase helps ubuntu [16:18] Does ubuntu make any $$ of the U1MS? [16:18] Ah [16:18] Does it make more off one or the other? [16:18] jcastro: Thing is, I don't have to worry about backing up my purchases with U1 [16:18] And is Ubuntu still loosing as opposed to making money? =( [16:19] It's the most clever way for my music wants [16:19] http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/04/05/canonical_kills_free_ubuntu_cd_program/ [16:19] tjagoda: Not news. [16:19] that is so last week. [16:20] It is news to I [16:20] Sadness [16:20] I had fond memories of being young and enraged at how long I had to wait for that disk [16:20] because I was on dial-up at home [16:20] =P [16:20] locos are fine [16:20] we just won't be sending individuals CDs [16:21] USB keys are the way to go at locos anyway imo, it's so much faster and less annoying than CD installs [16:21] True [16:21] netbook doesn't even had CDROM anymore [16:21] ++ [16:22] the other day I had wished I had kept or copied one of those keys from you [16:22] heh [16:22] plus 1G keys are basically free these days. [16:22] I have a PXE installer at home [16:22] i was at work. [16:22] IMO it never made sense to do CDs in the USA and Europe [16:22] should have concentrated on the low income countries [16:22] ++ [16:23] though folks in the USA and Europe would have bitched [16:23] I mean, it's nice marketing, but do we really need premade ISOs at our events? [16:23] wolfger: just move forward to gingerbread [16:23] when one of us could have just burned them [16:23] but I guess there is an ubuntu server at work that I could turn into a PXE in no time. [16:23] jrwren: we're close to finishing cobbler integration [16:23] next LTS will be awesome in that regard [16:23] sweet. [16:23] "cobbler --add whatever-release" or something [16:24] plus the CDs are out of date pretty quick. [16:24] yeah [16:24] i've seen little stacks of old ubuntu lying around lots of places. [16:24] it can like autoupdate [16:27] I always love it whenever I mention that I use U1 and U1MS. [16:28] I feel like the only one who uses this stuff [16:29] snap-l: :) [16:30] i feel special with my stack of ancient ubuntu CDs. started with warty [16:31] (1) Consult Ubuntu Forums for information about portable music players that are supported by Ubuntu. Ubuntu 10.04 LTS now supports iPhone and iPod Touch. [16:31] ^ HAH! [16:33] scary that something says "consult ubuntu forums" [16:33] a-yep [16:35] snap-l: Do you still fit inside the 2GB, or did you pay out for more? [16:36] I spent more $$ [16:36] snap-l: what the hell suggested "consulting" the forums? it is more like "banging your head against" [16:36] https://one.ubuntu.com/music/ [16:39] not even a link to a specific thread, wow, way to throw people to the wolves with that one. Why didn't they just say "RTFM"? [16:39] Consult the Googles [16:39] lmgtfy.com [16:39] love that site [16:57] lol @ greg-g [16:57] a specific thread is a good idea. [16:57] oh, and listening to the newest lococast! woo! [17:03] gamerchick02: awesome, I think it's a pretty good one myself :) [17:03] yeah [17:03] i'll have to pause it, because we're getting lunch. [17:04] I'm proud of all of the episodes we've done [17:04] i've been interrupted three times in listening, and missed a bunch. i love lococast [17:04] i've been answering email like a boss this morning. [17:05] Each one starts off feeling like "what are we going to talk about", and in the end, I feel like we pulled something special out of each one. [17:05]