[00:03] <jrwren> …
[01:43] <snap-l> Good eeeevening
[01:44] <jjesse> yes it is
[01:44] <jjesse> 8:44 pm
[01:45] <jjesse> doh
[01:45] <jjesse> wrong channel
[01:49] <_stink_> when i was a kid, 8:44pm was snacktime before bed
[01:49] <_stink_> my brother at like age 8 would go push the buttons on the microwave to make it say 8:44
[01:50] <_stink_> when it was 7pm
[01:50] <jjesse> hahaha
[01:50] <_stink_> rotten kid
[01:50] <jjesse> mmmm snack time
[03:52] <greg-g> _stink_: you're brother is awesome
[04:03] <_stink_> clever, at least.
[13:29] <greg-g> g'morning
[13:31] <rick_h_> party
[13:34] <brousch> greg-g: any wikimedia news?
[13:35] <greg-g> not yet, I'll find out "early this week" which means it better be today :)
[13:35] <brousch> tjagoda: Show all windows open in Unity? I think jcastro covered that in his demo video
[13:36] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome
[13:40] <tjagoda> brousch: Where is this video?
[13:40] <brousch> http://castrojo.blip.tv/file/4997614/
[13:42] <tjagoda> So many hard lockups with 11.04
[13:42] <tjagoda> =(
[13:42] <brousch> really?
[13:42] <wolfger> wifi back to crapping out every 3 minutes in 11.04 :-(
[13:43] <wolfger> and occasionally hard locking when I modprobe it back
[13:49] <tjagoda> I have no clue why it hardlocks
[13:49] <tjagoda> I'll just walk away
[13:49] <tjagoda> come back to a frozen screensaver
[13:50] <tjagoda> =(
[13:51] <snap-l> tjagoda: Maybe your machine has crap video drivers?
[13:54] <brousch> is it one of those fancy 3d screensavers?
[13:55] <brousch> i always use blank screen
[13:58] <snap-l> Yeah, me too.
[14:06] <tjagoda> My machine is a system76
[14:06] <tjagoda> It does not have crap video drivers
[14:06] <tjagoda> =(
[14:10] <tjagoda> Pretty sure its intel anyway
[14:10] <snap-l> It has Intel, right?
[14:10] <snap-l> So, yes it does. :)
[14:10] <tjagoda> Dude
[14:10] <tjagoda> I have had it since 2009
[14:10] <tjagoda> You know how many lockups I had?
[14:10] <tjagoda> 0
[14:10] <tjagoda> Big fat 0
[14:10] <tjagoda> Never even crashed to login until Unity
[14:10] <snap-l> You're not trying hard enough
[14:11] <tjagoda> thing was rock freaking solid
[14:11] <snap-l> See? Unity has unlocked the potential of your laptop
[14:11] <snap-l> The potential for locking up
[14:11] <snap-l> it's in every machine
[14:11] <tjagoda> ...
[14:11] <tjagoda> I hate you so much
[14:11] <tjagoda> =P
[14:12] <tjagoda> Perhaps when system76 catches up to 11.04 and releases an updated system76-driver it will improve
[14:27] <krondor> hmm http://ubuntu-releases.eecs.wsu.edu/natty/ seems down
[14:29] <tjagoda> It resolved here
[14:29] <tjagoda> And I am able to grab the iso
[14:29] <tjagoda> Your DNS has a failwhale
[14:29] <tjagoda> ?
[14:30] <rick_h_> damn work for their IE only freaking review site working...ugh
[14:30] <rick_h_> and people that force caps in their urls deservce to be shot
[14:30] <rick_h_> that is all...
[14:30] <krondor> yeah i get connection timed out on uverse but everything else seems good, maybe I'll try google's dns and see
[14:30] <krondor> my uverse is acting all batty lately anyway
[14:31] <rick_h_> krondor: yea, was having some issues yesterday as well
[14:31] <rick_h_> I setup google dns and still having some unhappy bits over the pipes
[14:31] <tjagoda> Comcast dns was fail a while back
[14:32] <tjagoda> I like openDNS
[14:32] <rick_h_> comcast always has DNS issues, that alone made me setup DNS on my colo at first
[14:32] <tjagoda> 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 			
[14:32] <snap-l> Yeah, I use Google DNS
[14:33] <snap-l> seems to be pretty rock-solid.
[14:33] <krondor> rick_h_:  it's because uverse knows its end is coming at my house so it has to act up (data caps on the way and alll)
[14:33] <snap-l> krondor: Funny enough, they (AT&T)just laid some fiber over here, and had someone go door-to-door to let everyone know.
[14:33] <tjagoda> lol
[14:33] <snap-l> So there may be more traffic. ;)
[14:34] <tjagoda> Thats kind of sad
[14:34] <tjagoda> "PLEASE DONT LEAVE"
[14:34] <tjagoda> "NEW FIBER LOL!"
[14:34] <snap-l> I already did
[14:34] <snap-l> I'm on wowway, and it's nice.
[14:34] <tjagoda> If wow offered service out here I'd switch in a heartbeat
[14:34] <tjagoda> Loathe comcast
[14:35] <krondor> yeah that's how I ended up switching to it, the door to door guys have promos online doesn't.  It was like 300 dollars in visa gift cards plus half off the service for 1 year.
[14:35] <tjagoda> Anybody run on FiOS?
[14:36] <tjagoda> Don't they put "no caps" into their advertising?
[14:36] <snap-l> Comcast is shit
[14:37] <krondor> I need to look at wow again, heard good things but last I looked they only had like 8 mbps in my area.  I hear it's near 18 now or something...
[14:37] <snap-l> I only have 8Mbps
[14:38] <snap-l> though their home page makes me want to puke.
[14:38] <snap-l> if I go to wowway.com, it redirects me to their portal
[14:38] <greg-g> geez, I leave for my bikeride in and you all turn into chatty cathys
[14:39] <tjagoda> Does Fios even run in michigan?
[14:39] <krondor> tjagoda:  not that I've heard
[14:39] <tjagoda> ='(
[14:39] <snap-l> Wow, they have 15down, 2 up
[14:40] <snap-l> 72.99
[14:40] <tjagoda> mmmm
[14:40] <tjagoda> And they don't try and filter your shit and make it difficult to run home servers
[14:40] <tjagoda> Have a friend who runs an entire exchange server from his basement on wow
[14:40] <snap-l> add phone, and you only get 8Mbps
[14:41] <rick_h_> krondor: do you hit the caps? on userver it's some 250gb
[14:42] <rick_h_> while I'm cranky about the caps in general, I don't think I come up to them
[14:42] <krondor> that's kind of pricey for that.  Uverse is $60 for 24 down 3 up, but if it's capped I guess what's the point?
[14:42] <rick_h_> the only other option is to go back to comcast which only has half the speed and ugh cable
[14:42] <krondor> rick_h_:  they're not active yet in our area but they're coming, I've heard May.  It's 250 GB/month for all plans.
[14:42] <rick_h_> krondor: right, but I'm not coming up to 250gb/mo
[14:42] <krondor> you can exceed it 3 times for the life of your account and after the 3rd overage they bill you the excess.
[14:42] <rick_h_> so still > comcast
[14:43] <rick_h_> nice
[14:43] <snap-l> Oh that's brilliant
[14:43] <krondor> I'm over it most months.  Netflix is a hungry animal.
[14:43] <rick_h_> yea, we do netflix, but tends to just be a movie/two per week
[14:44] <rick_h_> not a daily affair
[14:44] <rick_h_> so where you headed to then?
[14:44] <rick_h_> do you have more than comcast in the area?
[14:44] <krondor> wow as well, I'd probably be looking at WoW first and then maybe comcast or comcast business class.
[14:45] <rick_h_> n0p_: why did you guys cancel wow? I don't recall
[14:45] <rick_h_> yea, I think jcastro has the comcast business class and loves it
[14:47] <n0p_> primarily because of the move
[14:47] <rick_h_> gotcha
[14:48] <n0p_> was sorta wanting to, just due to the overall expense
[14:48] <n0p_> but was satisfied with their service overall
[14:48] <snap-l> Did you get the cable TV stuff?
[14:48] <n0p_> oh, yeah, was just TV
[14:48] <n0p_> stuck with comcast for Internet
[14:48] <snap-l> Yeah, TV is expensive
[14:48] <n0p_> Wow speeds are slower
[14:48] <snap-l> I just use them for phone and internet
[14:48] <n0p_> or at least they were when i was evaluating
[14:49] <snap-l> They still are
[14:49] <snap-l> 8Mbps down, 1Mbps up
[14:49] <snap-l> You can get 15/2, but that's without phone
[14:49] <snap-l> which leads me to believe they're reserving bandwidth. ;)
[14:49] <rick_h_> people still have phones?
[14:49] <snap-l> rick_h_: Land-lines at that.
[14:49] <n0p_> heh, yeah, broadvoice still
[14:50] <rick_h_> n0p_: yea, same here
[14:50] <n0p_> still good for call that consume minutes
[14:50] <snap-l> Funy enough, for conference calls, I still use Skype. ;)
[14:50] <snap-l> 1800 calls = free
[14:50] <n0p_> i cant imagine talking on a real land line again, i am sure the quality would be awesome
[14:51] <snap-l> I love my land-line
[14:51] <n0p_> cell and voip phones are not that great imo
[14:51] <snap-l> Well, my land-line is voip, and it's pretty good
[14:51] <n0p_> they get the job done, but miss the clarity of a call
[14:51] <snap-l> compared with what I was using before with DSL / Land Line, it's comparable
[14:52] <snap-l> and considering that all of the traffic now is VOIP anyway (even on a conventional land line)... :)
[14:52] <snap-l> BTW: MUG Tonight, folks.
[14:52] <n0p_> heh, yeah
[14:53] <rick_h_> man, not going to make another one
[14:53] <rick_h_> 0-4 this year :(
[14:53] <snap-l> priorities, man. ;)
[14:54] <snap-l> Just leave Michael home alone. What's the wors that could happen?
[14:54] <rick_h_> hah
[14:55] <snap-l> Dear Ticketmaster: Someone who bought tickets for Rush might like Bob Seger. They're not likely to enjoy Glee or NKOTB / BSB.
[14:57] <brousch> sounds like logical associations to me, and i'm sure they have petabytes of data behind their suggestions
[15:05] <wolfger> snap-l: you didn't see the Rush episode of Glee?
[15:08] <jrwren> there is a rush episode?
[15:10] <krondor> and that BSB documentary had them mentioning Rush as a primary musical influence for the producer that actually wrote their songs, oh wait I mean I've never seen a BSB documentary.
[15:11] <jrwren> what is BSB?
[15:11] <jrwren> back street boys?
[15:12] <greg-g> back street's back, ALL RIGHT!
[15:12] <_stink_> and that's why greg-g is a hit with the ladies.
[15:12] <jrwren> dismantled lists paula abdul as an influence... sooo....
[15:13] <greg-g> _stink_: hey, in high school, two years in a row, my buddies and I did full-length dances to BSB songs, 1 song the first year then added another one the second year. The ladies loved it.
[15:13] <wolfger> Hey, she influenced my teenage years...
[15:13] <wolfger> now I look at her and say "wtf was I thinking?"
[15:14] <greg-g> we watched their music video and learned their dance moves. We had a buddy who if it wasn't a preacher's son would have been, well, you know ;)
[15:14] <jrwren> wolfger: i am guessing that is how it was for dismantled. i've you've never heard 'em, they are hella sweet adn you wouldn't guess paula as influence
[15:14] <_stink_> greg-g: i have now slotted the high school aged greg-g into a nice little stereotyped box. :)
[15:14] <jrwren> greg-g: lol
[15:14] <jrwren> greg-g: cliche
[15:14] <greg-g> _stink_: awesome
[15:14] <greg-g> jrwren: :P
[15:15] <_stink_> greg-g: did you have some kind of mock rock competition thing at which to do those dances?
[15:15] <greg-g> oh, no, sorry, this was at prom, that was an important part of that story
[15:15] <_stink_> ahhhh
[15:16] <_stink_> wow
[15:16] <greg-g> sorry, multitask.... huh, ohai
[15:44] <tjagoda> bwahaha
[15:44] <tjagoda> I just bansihed non-blackberry devices from this workplace
[15:44] <tjagoda> RIM should thank me.
[15:44] <greg-g> way to go, jerk
[15:45] <greg-g> hater of choice
[15:45] <tjagoda> Not like Android is going to be open much longer anyway ;D
[15:45] <greg-g> or something
[15:45] <snap-l> tjagoda: Way to make a monoculture
[15:45] <brousch> fascist bureaucrat. die in a shredder
[15:46] <snap-l> I hope Blackberry doesn't have some major bug that paralyzes your infrastructure.
[15:46] <snap-l> When Ford got nailed witht eh "ILoveYou" virus, my Linux machine was one of the few able to continue working
[15:47] <tjagoda> Mmmm
[15:47] <tjagoda> Easily manageable monoculture
[15:47] <wolfger> Mmmm. Easily destroyable monoculture
[15:47] <snap-l> Of course, I kept saying "I love you" to the PC support guy. ;)
[15:47] <tjagoda> Yes
[15:48] <tjagoda> And so are all my windows end nodes
[15:48] <jrwren> but blackberry SUCKS!!!
[15:48] <snap-l> Your network looks tasty.
[15:48] <jrwren> well, it sucks for end users. blackberry from an admin pov is SWEET.
[15:48] <jrwren> as long as you ahve budget for bb ent server.
[15:48] <tjagoda> I finally agree with jrwren on something =P
[15:49] <tjagoda> My e-mail is so secure that the UAE wants to outlaw blackberries
[15:49] <jrwren> lol.
[15:49] <tjagoda> SCREW YOUR USER FRIENDLINESS
[15:49] <jrwren> weren't people protesting there recently?
[15:49] <jrwren> err, no... that was saudi arabiea.
[15:49] <tjagoda> Yeah, I think UAE has been placid thus far
[15:49] <jrwren> didn't the saudi gvment get a special BB deal ?
[15:50] <tjagoda> They got banned
[15:50] <tjagoda> but then agreed to the possibility of putting a routing server in saudi arabia
[15:50] <brousch> you know what's even more secure? not using email at all. cheaper, too
[15:51] <tjagoda> You know what's even more secure?
[15:51] <tjagoda> This abacus
[15:51] <tjagoda> =P
[15:51] <brousch> i disagree. an abacus would be easier to see from a satellite compared to a calculator screen
[15:52] <tjagoda> I can put a virus on your calculator
[15:52] <tjagoda> it runs basic
[15:52] <tjagoda> you've probably got a monoculture of TI devices
[15:52] <tjagoda> unless your a freak like snap-l with his HP
[15:52] <tjagoda> =P
[15:52] <brousch> we have special-purpose construction calcs actually
[15:52] <snap-l> tjagoda: You mean my wife's HP
[15:52] <snap-l> which she loves.
[15:53] <brousch> my calculator runs android
[15:55] <snap-l> *sigh*
[15:55] <snap-l> Banshee 2.0 under Lucid won't be able to support tue U1MS
[15:55] <snap-l> and Rhythmbox doesn't have an update for the newer, and more stable U1 foo
[15:55] <tjagoda> What is U1MS?
[15:56] <snap-l> so I either need to stick with 1.8.1, which is a crashy piece of shit
[15:56] <snap-l> Ubuntu 1 Music Store
[15:56] <snap-l> or upgrade to Natty / Maverick
[15:56] <snap-l> God bless Banshee
[15:57] <wolfger> or switch to AmazonMP3
[15:57] <wolfger> :-D
[15:57] <snap-l> wolfger: Fuck off
[15:57]  * wolfger removes snap-l's seatbelts
[16:00] <tjagoda> Seatbelts!
[16:00] <tjagoda> Trolololol
[16:00] <tjagoda> You are all trolls
[16:00] <tjagoda> =P
[16:00] <greg-g> you didn't know? #ubuntu-us-mi will be renamed #michigan-troll-proving-grounds
[16:01] <Milyardo> trollface.jpg !!!!!
[16:01] <krondor> tjagoda: so you've seen the blackberry pwn2own results then right? lol
[16:03] <Milyardo> snap-l: I'm sure there will be a PPA with banshee+U1MS
[16:03] <jrwren> there just isn't yet :(
[16:03] <Milyardo> :(
[16:03] <snap-l> I doubt it
[16:04] <jrwren> so go make one.
[16:04] <snap-l> jrwren: You first. :)
[16:04] <tjagoda> snap-l should come join us in crashahppy natty
[16:04] <tjagoda> crashhappy*
[16:05] <snap-l> I'd like to actually have what I used to have working work again
[16:05] <snap-l> unfortunately, I can't seem to install anything for Banshee that will get the U1 music store working again
[16:05] <snap-l> whatever I have is compiled for 1.6.1
[16:05] <snap-l> (*sigh*)
[16:07] <jrwren> is the U1 add in open source?
[16:07] <krondor> main rig now has natty instead of gentoo :)
[16:08] <wolfger> What's with this * crap in correcting a typo. Doesn't anybody know how to regex anymore?
[16:08] <Milyardo> jrwren: yeah its just a frontend for libubuntuone
[16:08] <wolfger> krondor: boo!
[16:09] <jrwren> I'd go do it, but I don't have a lucid system anymore... i'm all natty
[16:09] <krondor> wolfger I have a short attention span, so we'll see how long it lasts
[16:09] <wolfger> if the don't get my wifi working again, I'm ditching Natty for Oneiric
[16:09] <jrwren> what wifi?
[16:09] <wolfger> realtek
[16:10] <jrwren> i've been only intel for so long, its been great.
[16:10] <wolfger> was busted all to hell, then became functional, now again busted all to hell
[16:10] <tjagoda> I hope my stability comes back when system76 released the 11.04 version of system76-driver
[16:10] <snap-l> I love how LTS is pretty much Long Term Suck-it. ;)
[16:10] <wolfger> LOL
[16:10] <tjagoda> Yeah
[16:10] <wolfger> snap-l++
[16:10] <tjagoda> bad choice for an LTS
[16:10] <tjagoda> reaaaal bad choice
[16:10] <wolfger> even if he was rude to me
[16:10] <tjagoda> to much change
[16:10] <wolfger> ;-)
[16:11] <tjagoda> Is 11.10 supposed to have a focus of quality?
[16:11] <tjagoda> =P
[16:11] <brousch> 12.04 would be the next lts
[16:11] <wolfger> I seriously doubt it
[16:11] <snap-l> Well, seriously, 10.04 is pretty much becoming useless
[16:12] <brousch> because you can't use the fancy new music store?
[16:12] <wolfger> we are at Quality Quail -3 (those of us running Natty)
[16:12] <snap-l> Because stability is no longer supported.
[16:12] <brousch> i think we have different definitions of useful
[16:12] <jcastro> snap-l: the definition of "stable" in an LTS is least amount of change as possible
[16:13] <snap-l> jcastro: Well, I had to upgrade my Ubuntu One to have it stable
[16:13] <jcastro> right
[16:13] <jcastro> :-/
[16:13] <brousch> i have machines i want to sit there for 2, 3, 4 years without mucking around
[16:13] <snap-l> and that change busted rhythmbox's U1 store
[16:13] <tjagoda> Rythmwhat?
[16:13] <jrwren> for servers I've found LTS to be rock solid.
[16:13] <tjagoda> Whats that?
[16:14] <wolfger> File a bug on LP. I'm sure they'll get right on that
[16:14] <snap-l> and now Banshee is going to drop U1 because of dependencies for Lucid
[16:14] <tjagoda> ;)
[16:14] <rick_h_> so...the broken bit is relying on u1 :P
[16:14] <jrwren> as for desktop... i can't understand teh LTS mindset.
[16:14] <tjagoda> I can
[16:14] <jcastro> jrwren: I can
[16:14] <snap-l> jrwren: I don't want shit to break.
[16:14] <tjagoda> Truth
[16:14] <tjagoda> Put that shit out on enterprise desktops
[16:14] <tjagoda> then sleep
[16:14] <rick_h_> jrwren: my desktop is for deving to servers, why not keep pretty close?
[16:14] <tjagoda> and do an upgrade cycle in 2 years
[16:14] <tjagoda> =P
[16:14] <jrwren> rick_h_: now THAT i understand.  rick_h_ ftw
[16:14] <rick_h_> lol, right because all the enterprise running XP is upgrading every 2 years
[16:14] <jcastro> chrome + LTS = the win
[16:15] <snap-l> jcastro: If you want the message thread, LMK
[16:15] <jcastro> snap-l: fwd it to me pls.
[16:15] <tjagoda> rick_h: bad analogy
[16:15] <tjagoda> windows vista sucked
[16:15] <jcastro> hey, in other, surprising good news, we fixed that guy's gpodder bug!
[16:15] <snap-l> jcastro: Forwarded.
[16:15] <rick_h_> that's ok tjagoda I hear win7 is 2% over XP now yay
[16:15] <tjagoda> We're rolling to win7 next quarter
[16:15] <wolfger> Win7 ftw \o/
[16:15] <brousch> we are running 5 year old winxp desktops here. it sucks
[16:16] <tjagoda> I wait for SP1 to be well-entrenched
[16:16] <rick_h_> just like staples is rolling to IE8...oh that's right, they said that last april
[16:16] <tjagoda> Well
[16:16]  * rick_h_ hates large corps
[16:16] <tjagoda> I am not staples
[16:16] <tjagoda> So screw you
[16:16] <brousch> my 10.04 lts desktop is bleeding edge compared to the rest of my users
[16:16] <tjagoda> =P
[16:16] <rick_h_> I never said tjagoda, I said "enterprises"
[16:16] <rick_h_> :)
[16:16] <rick_h_> why be specific when you can be general and use a large brush :)
[16:16] <wolfger> ...and while we're talking about upgrades... how can I downgrade my phone back off of Froyo? It really rather sucks :-p
[16:17] <brousch> flash an old rom?
[16:17] <jcastro> snap-l: oh man, that totally sucks
[16:17] <jcastro> snap-l: does the amazon store work?
[16:17] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, so essentially I'm fucked for purchasing via U1
[16:17] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, it works, but I'd rather use U1, funny enough
[16:17] <jcastro> yeah that is funny
[16:18] <jcastro> I've been waiting for the amazon store
[16:18] <jcastro> either way, a purchase helps ubuntu
[16:18] <tjagoda> Does ubuntu make any $$ of the U1MS?
[16:18] <tjagoda> Ah
[16:18] <tjagoda> Does it make more off one or the other?
[16:18] <snap-l> jcastro: Thing is, I don't have to worry about backing up my purchases with U1
[16:18] <tjagoda> And is Ubuntu still loosing as opposed to making money?  =(
[16:19] <snap-l> It's the most clever way for my music wants
[16:19] <tjagoda> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/04/05/canonical_kills_free_ubuntu_cd_program/
[16:19] <snap-l> tjagoda: Not news.
[16:19] <jrwren> that is so last week.
[16:20] <tjagoda> It is news to I
[16:20] <tjagoda> Sadness
[16:20] <tjagoda> I had fond memories of being young and enraged at how long I had to wait for that disk
[16:20] <tjagoda> because I was on dial-up at home
[16:20] <tjagoda> =P
[16:20] <jcastro> locos are fine
[16:20] <jcastro> we just won't be sending individuals CDs
[16:21] <jcastro> USB keys are the way to go at locos anyway imo, it's so much faster and less annoying than CD installs
[16:21] <tjagoda> True
[16:21] <tjagoda> netbook doesn't even had CDROM anymore
[16:21] <jrwren> ++
[16:22] <jrwren> the other day I had wished I had kept or copied one of those keys from you
[16:22] <jcastro> heh
[16:22] <jrwren> plus 1G keys are basically free these days.
[16:22] <jcastro> I have a PXE installer at home
[16:22] <jrwren> i was at work.
[16:22] <jcastro> IMO it never made sense to do CDs in the USA and Europe
[16:22] <jcastro> should have concentrated on the low income countries
[16:22] <snap-l> ++
[16:23] <snap-l> though folks in the USA and Europe would have bitched
[16:23] <jcastro> I mean, it's nice marketing, but do we really need premade  ISOs at our events?
[16:23] <krondor> wolfger: just move forward to gingerbread
[16:23] <jcastro> when one of us could have just burned them
[16:23] <jrwren> but I guess there is an ubuntu server at work that I could turn into a PXE in no time.
[16:23] <jcastro> jrwren: we're close to finishing cobbler integration
[16:23] <jcastro> next LTS will be awesome in that regard
[16:23] <jrwren> sweet.
[16:23] <jcastro> "cobbler --add whatever-release" or something
[16:24] <jrwren> plus the CDs are out of date pretty quick.
[16:24] <jcastro> yeah
[16:24] <jrwren> i've seen little stacks of old ubuntu lying around lots of places.
[16:24] <jcastro> it can like autoupdate
[16:27] <snap-l> I always love it whenever I mention that I use U1 and U1MS.
[16:28] <snap-l> I feel like the only one who uses this stuff
[16:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: :)
[16:30] <brousch> i feel special with my stack of ancient ubuntu CDs. started with warty
[16:31] <snap-l> (1) Consult Ubuntu Forums for information about portable music players that are supported by Ubuntu. Ubuntu 10.04 LTS now supports iPhone and iPod Touch.
[16:31] <snap-l> ^ HAH!
[16:33] <rick_h_> scary that something says "consult ubuntu forums"
[16:33] <snap-l> a-yep
[16:35] <tjagoda> snap-l: Do you still fit inside the 2GB, or did you pay out for more?
[16:36] <snap-l> I spent more $$
[16:36] <greg-g> snap-l: what the hell suggested "consulting" the forums? it is more like "banging your head against"
[16:36] <snap-l> https://one.ubuntu.com/music/
[16:39] <greg-g> not even a link to a specific thread, wow, way to throw people to the wolves with that one. Why didn't they just say "RTFM"?
[16:39] <snap-l> Consult the Googles
[16:39] <snap-l> lmgtfy.com
[16:39] <greg-g> love that site
[16:57] <gamerchick02> lol @ greg-g
[16:57] <gamerchick02> a specific thread is a good idea.
[16:57] <gamerchick02> oh, and listening to the newest lococast! woo!
[17:03] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: awesome, I think it's a pretty good one myself :)
[17:03] <gamerchick02> yeah
[17:03] <gamerchick02> i'll have to pause it, because we're getting lunch.
[17:04] <snap-l> I'm proud of all of the episodes we've done
[17:04] <gamerchick02> i've been interrupted three times in listening, and missed a bunch. i love lococast
[17:04] <gamerchick02> i've been answering email like a boss this morning.
[17:05] <snap-l> Each one starts off feeling like "what are we going to talk about", and in the end, I feel like we pulled something special out of each one.
[17:05] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Yeah, today is a productivity day for me
[17:05] <snap-l> Had 14 follow-up mails. Now, I have 4
[17:05] <gamerchick02> it's really nice out too
[17:05] <gamerchick02> nice
[17:06] <snap-l> Yeah, I think I'm going to move my base of operations to conference room 2
[17:06] <snap-l> aka: the lving room
[17:07] <gamerchick02> :)
[17:07] <gamerchick02> more comfortable?
[17:07] <snap-l> More light
[17:07] <gamerchick02> ah
[17:07] <gamerchick02> bbiab. lunch
[17:20] <snap-l> http://www.humblebundle.com/
[17:20] <snap-l> IT'S ON
[17:23] <tjagoda> I like the stats there
[17:24] <tjagoda> Average Windows: $4.37
[17:24] <tjagoda> Average Mac: $6.93
[17:24] <tjagoda> Average Linux: $12.24
[17:24] <tjagoda> And they say there's no money in the linux game market ;)
[17:24] <snap-l> I gave 'em $20
[17:24] <rick_h_> you cheap bastarts...oh wait...that big number is us
[17:26] <snap-l> considering I was going to get the two Shadowground games at some point, it's a no-brainer
[17:26] <snap-l> those games are awesome.
[17:26] <rick_h_> snap-l: I'm telling jodee, the groupon of games just sucked you in :P
[17:27] <snap-l> I don't care.
[17:27] <snap-l> She knows my hot-buttons.
[17:27] <tjagoda> snap-l: Does it auto-determine your platform?
[17:28] <tjagoda> Or do you pick during checkout?
[17:28] <snap-l> I didn't choose, so I think it's auto-dtermined
[17:28] <tjagoda> Then I'll wait until I'm home on the Linux machine
[17:42] <wolfger> Linux users pay more for free games because they have lower expectations :-p
[17:43] <ColonelPanic001> wolfger ++
[17:44] <wolfger> The windows guy is like "WTF? This sucks compared to WoW."
[17:44] <wolfger> or whatever today's hot game is
[17:44] <wolfger> I really need to get Eve running on Ubuntu... But first I need a wifi that doesn't crap out every 3 minutes
[17:45] <wolfger> Then I'd only use Win7 on the weekends, when the wife wants to play some DDO
[17:46] <rick_h_> yay for sucky work network, can't even stream music to the desktop now
[17:49] <gamerchick02> back.
[17:53] <gamerchick02> wolfger: he's comparing an indie game to WoW?
[17:53] <_stink_> a third humble bundle??
[17:53] <gamerchick02> looks like it.
[17:54] <wolfger> gamerchick02: I'm saying that's the mentality
[17:54] <wolfger> Linux gamers are much more appreciative of indy games than Windows gamers are
[17:54] <_stink_> hot damn.
[17:54] <gamerchick02> i'm saying that's silly. ;) some expecations are crazy
[17:54] <gamerchick02> we are!
[17:55] <gamerchick02> and i like indy stuff on windows too.
[17:55] <wolfger> Android is pissing me off now
[17:55] <wolfger> is there any way to stop apps from starting themselves.... over and over... no matter how many times I kill them?!?
[17:56] <wolfger> I mean, aside from uninstalling the apps, which I am on the verge of doing.
[17:57] <gamerchick02> i'd just uninstall them and if they ask why, tell them why.
[17:57] <gamerchick02> sorry about that
[17:58] <gamerchick02> ok. seriously, fuck you, yahoo: "Sorry, the all-new Yahoo! Mail does not support your browser."
[17:58] <gamerchick02> that's a load of crap if I've ever seen it. i'm running chrome beta. >_<
[17:59] <krondor> wolfger: what apps?
[18:00] <krondor> people still use yahoo mail?  what UAString does chrome beta use anyway?
[18:01] <tjagoda> wolfger: You play EVE?
[18:01] <tjagoda> There are a few penguicon network guys who play EVE as well that I corp'ed with for a while
[18:01] <gamerchick02> krondor: I keep it around for spam crap (like signing up for various things)
[18:01] <tjagoda> I think you can egt it working under WINE
[18:01] <wolfger> krondor: well let's see... Since the last time I hit the ATK button, the following apps have restarted without my intervention or consent: AT&T Hot Spots, Mustard, Facebook. But there are more, I routinely see 9 or so apps running that I never started
[18:01] <wolfger> tjagoda: I am an EVE addict
[18:02] <tjagoda> Wolfger: I have a battlecruiser
[18:02] <tjagoda> I think
[18:02] <tjagoda> Hard to remember, I've been off the rocks for a few months
[18:02] <wolfger> Well, look me up sometime. (i.e. play again sometime)
[18:03] <krondor> wolfger: those have services to check for notifications.  That's why they show in your running list.
[18:03] <wolfger> I've got it installed under WINE, but it goes to the "accept the EULA" screen which is blank and I can't scroll to the bottom of nothing to accept.... :-p
[18:04] <krondor> wolfger:  do you use a taskkiller?  don't in froyo and up, they're not helpful and make things worse really..
[18:05] <wolfger> krondor: I'm using ATK, but the damne things keep respawning. More have come back during this conversation: Dropbox, Playmaker, Firefox, Mediahub have also spawned
[18:05] <tjagoda> Somebody payed $1024 for the humble bundle
[18:05] <wolfger> There's no excuse for this
[18:05] <rick_h_> that's so awesome I'm speachless
[18:05] <tjagoda> I know
[18:07] <gamerchick02> that is awesome, re paying $1024 for the bundle...
[18:07] <gamerchick02> wow
[18:07] <tjagoda> I hope he was on Linux
[18:07] <tjagoda> he/she
[18:07] <tjagoda> Looks like a twitter name
[18:07] <tjagoda> @ExpiredPopsicle
[18:08] <gamerchick02> lol @ the twitter name.
[18:08] <_stink_> it would be awesome if we had some warning about these, and we (the loco) could pool together for a huge payment, then share the files.
[18:08] <_stink_> i guess that would reduce the # for linux, but give us a potential huge payment.
[18:08] <tjagoda> http://twitter.com/humble
[18:10] <tjagoda> ExpiredPopsicle is a coder/artists
[18:10] <tjagoda> artist
[18:10] <tjagoda> looks like Linux
[18:10] <tjagoda> whoot
[18:10] <jjesse> can someone explain to me why i should be excited google docs now does pagination?
[18:10] <tjagoda> PAGINATION IS FUCKING SWEET
[18:11] <jjesse> cause every other word process program could do it forever?
[18:12] <tjagoda> Yes
[18:12] <tjagoda> Basically
[18:13] <jjesse> so i should b e excited that google docs can do things everyone else can?
[18:13] <brousch> wolfger: what phone do you have? my boss has a htc somethingorother and has the same problem
[18:15] <wolfger> brousch: Samsung Captivate
[18:15] <wolfger> Google shows other people complaining the same since Froyo update
[18:16] <wolfger> and some folks say the solution is to use built-in task manager instead of ATK, but those people are smoking 7 gram rocks
[18:16] <_stink_> i just had to look up 'pagination'.
[18:17] <wolfger> because the built in task manager is trying to tell me I have 0 programs running, despite the fact that I have some programs which I have manually started and left running on purpose :-p
[18:17] <wolfger> I did get into the settings and kill some services, but not every program I'm having issues with had an associated service
[18:17] <rick_h_> crap, they've made django loving a class in college now? http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/go9wc/ask_python_why_are_lesspopular_web_frameworks/
[18:17] <brousch> is 7 grams a big rock or a small rock?
[18:18] <rick_h_> depends on the type of rock :)
[18:18] <rick_h_> diamond == big
[18:18] <brousch> rick_h_: what else is there to love about python?
[18:18] <rick_h_> brousch: clearly I've been missing out
[18:18] <wolfger> brousch: I assume 7g is a big rock, from the way Charlie Sheen portrays it
[18:19] <rick_h_> I promise to reform my ways immediately and throw sqlalchemy, mako, and all to the curb
[18:19] <brousch> rick_h_: well wolfger mentioned smoking it, so i assume it is some kind of edible rock
[18:20] <brousch> rick_h_: django and web2py are what make python awesome
[18:20] <jrwren> they aren't less popular.
[18:20] <jrwren> we do more django than rails here.
[18:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: nothing to do with rails
[18:20] <brousch> jrwren: nice
[18:20] <rick_h_> it's in the python world
[18:20] <jrwren> rails people are busy talking about how awesome they are, python people are quietly shipping sweet software.
[18:20] <rick_h_> django == popular kid vs all the really functional python web frameworks out there
[18:21] <brousch> chicago has a django group
[18:21] <jrwren> oh... isee the question now.
[18:21] <_stink_> wow, rick_h_ got going on django and brousch didn't even have to bait him :P
[18:21] <jrwren> that is a silly question.
[18:21] <brousch> 30 people at the meeting
[18:21] <rick_h_> _stink_: the article was bait
[18:21] <jrwren> flip that question around... why are tehre so many interesting adn experimental python web framekworks?
[18:21] <_stink_> hehe
[18:21] <wolfger> "django" always makes me think "Mr. Bojangles"
[18:21] <jrwren> well DUH! because "We are finding better ways to develop software."
[18:24] <brousch> even though i use mostly django, i'm glad there are these other frameworks. people are still thinking about how to solve problems better
[18:25] <brousch> some of those discoveries eventually make their way into django
[18:26] <brousch> if you hate rails, you probably aren't going to use ruby. if you hate django, you still have a lot of options for using python
[18:33] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[18:34] <wolfger> use perl;
[18:35] <brousch> are there any webapp frameworks in perl?
[18:35] <snap-l> brousch: Yes, there are
[18:35] <snap-l> Mason, iirc
[18:36] <brousch> my impression is that perl's only purpose is to create open source applications that no one else can understand
[18:37] <wolfger> brousch: Catalyst
[18:38] <wolfger> also, apparently, Mojolicious
[18:38] <wolfger> https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/web_frameworks
[18:39] <wolfger> there's lots there
[18:40] <jrwren> what is the perl mvc framework that Randy likes ?
[18:44] <wolfger> I dunno. Randy who?
[18:52] <snap-l> Randall Schwartz
[18:55] <wolfger> CGI::Prototype if Google is to be believed. :-)
[18:55] <jrwren> noes
[18:57] <wolfger> No, Google isn't to be believed?
[18:57] <wolfger> Or no, not Randall Schwartz?
[19:06] <jrwren> yes randal s.
[19:06] <jrwren> but not cgi::prototype
[19:06] <jrwren> I might be thinking of his smalltalk framework he loved, but I swear there was a perl framekwork that he said was similar.
[19:21] <snap-l> I think it's telling that nobody in our little group knows of any that are all that good
[19:22] <wolfger> Yes. It's telling that none of us use Perl for web apps. Or at least, not since the 80's when Mason was the shit.
[19:23] <wolfger> early 90's even
[19:24] <snap-l> I never even used Mason
[19:24] <snap-l> coded it all via CGI.pm
[19:24] <snap-l> That was the shit, and nbody could tell me otherwise. :)
[19:24] <wolfger> yeah, pretty much.
[19:24] <wolfger> Mason was "better", but not worth learning for what I was doing.
[19:27] <snap-l> I never even heard of it until much later.
[19:38] <jrwren> yup.
[19:38] <jrwren> cgi.pm was the bomb.
[19:38] <jrwren> slashcode is still perl.
[19:58] <gamerchick02> has anyone heard of losing their mouse pointer on their second monitor? that happened to me a little bit ago, and that's why i disappeared for a minute.
[20:05] <tjagoda> wtf?
[20:06] <gamerchick02> to me? indeed.
[20:06] <gamerchick02> very strange. not sure what was going on there.
[20:06] <gamerchick02> i logged out and back in and it's fine.
[20:06] <tjagoda> So it just blinked away
[20:06] <tjagoda> Sounds like natty.
[20:06] <tjagoda> =P
[20:07] <gamerchick02> yeah. was very strange
[20:07] <gamerchick02> but if i hovered over something, it'd highlight
[20:07] <gamerchick02> you know how you hover over someone's name in empathy and the hover thing shows? yeah, i was getting that, but no cursor.
[20:09] <_stink_> i've seen X bugs like that before.
[20:09] <_stink_> only the logout-login fixes it for what i remember.
[20:09] <tjagoda> Time for Wayland! ;)
[20:10] <gamerchick02> i've never had that happen before.
[20:10] <gamerchick02> oh well, a first time for everything, right?
[20:11] <greg-g> gamerchick02: now you can feel a part of the club, or something ;)
[20:11] <gamerchick02> or something is right. heh
[20:16] <gamerchick02> ok, just happened again. wtf?
[20:18] <gamerchick02> i'm getting some updates. i'll restart after them and see if my problem goes away.
[20:18] <snap-l> God, I want to lik this band, but whomever records their music needs to take up another career
[20:18] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/87934
[20:18] <gamerchick02> which band?
[20:19] <snap-l> Usually a band that has a shit studio album has a better live album
[20:19] <snap-l> or vice versa
[20:19] <snap-l> but this band has both
[20:19] <gamerchick02> oi. bad music or badly recorded?
[20:20] <snap-l> badly recorded
[20:20] <gamerchick02> ah
[20:21] <gamerchick02> ok. logging out and back in. stupid loss of mouse pointer.
[20:21] <gamerchick02> bbiab
[20:36] <snap-l> there is no excuse for poorly recorded industrial music. :)
[20:58] <rick_h_> lol, love my company
[20:58] <rick_h_> so 'on the ball'
[21:06] <brousch> they must be. they hired you
[21:11] <rick_h_> "We think video is the future, so we're going to have a team compitition to make the best video with these flip cams"
[21:11] <rick_h_> "winning team gets a flip cam for each person on the team!"
[21:11]  * rick_h_ debates raising hand..."you saw cisco is killing flip right?"
[21:12] <brousch> that's how they got them so cheap
[21:12] <rick_h_> lol
[21:13] <brousch> i assume you'll be posting your nerdcore video on youtube
[21:13] <rick_h_> but of course...with my flip cam...ugh
[21:13] <rick_h_> first the netbook for christmas bonus and now flip cam compitition
[21:14] <brousch> i hate video. it's so slow
[21:14] <brousch> slow to shoot. slow to process. slow to download. slow to watch
[21:14] <rick_h_> irc-cam?
[21:16] <brousch> do that video->ascii thing they were doing at the meeting
[21:25] <snap-l> God, I hate passwords on this one system
[21:25] <snap-l> It requires 6-8 characters, and at least one special character
[21:26] <jjesse> isn't that standard?
[21:26] <snap-l> But apparently the special character that I chose isn't accepted on the login screen
[21:27] <snap-l> FilterType":15,"ValidChars":"_%!$*","id":"FilteredtxtPassword"
[21:28] <snap-l> Seriously, if you're going to require at least one special character, you might want to open up the field just a hair
[21:38] <jrwren> what does meta-a do in irssi?
[21:38] <_stink_> moves to the next channel with unread messages
[21:38] <rick_h_> looks like it goes to the next channel
[21:39] <rick_h_> ooh, even better
[21:39] <jrwren> why have i never used this before?
[21:39] <jrwren> now i just need a "to window you just came from" and I'm happy happy
[21:39] <_stink_> yeah, i can't believe there's nothing that does that.
[21:40] <Blazeix> weechat has that feature. If you type meta+4, it will go to window 4, and if you hit it again it goes back to the original window
[21:49] <ColonelPanic001> Blazeix ++
[21:49] <jrwren> weechat?
[21:49] <jrwren> irssi 4 life
[21:50] <Blazeix> If you can get past the stupid name, it's actually quite a nice client :)
[21:52] <Milyardo> mylife4irssi
[22:07] <snap-l> Is anyone else going to ignite on Thursday?
[22:13] <widox> anyone know where to go for the mug meeting tonight?
[22:13] <snap-l> Sure
[22:13] <snap-l> Engineering Society of Detroit
[22:13] <snap-l> 20700 Civic Center Drive
[22:13] <snap-l> Suite 450
[22:13] <snap-l> Southfield, MI 48076
[22:14] <widox> where at inside?
[22:14] <jrwren> suite 450?
[22:14] <snap-l> yes
[22:14] <widox> oh, heh
[22:14]  * widox can't read
[22:15] <widox> better question, any heads up on finding the room?
[22:15] <jrwren> take elevator to 4th floor.
[22:16] <jrwren> follow sign to 450
[22:16] <snap-l> Yeah, it's pretty straightforward
[22:19] <widox> ok, thanks. wasn't sure what the building was like
[22:20] <Blazeix> watch out for the spike traps
[22:21] <_stink_> it's like Pitfall
[22:27] <snap-l> _stink_: Shhh, you'll give away the ending
[22:28] <_stink_> haha
[22:28] <widox> har