| ailo | ScottL, The Gnome3 link you gave didn't work for me | 00:56 |
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| ailo | :( | 00:57 |
| ScottL | which link did i give you? | 00:57 |
| ailo | At least regular Ubuntu didn't mess up my Grub this time | 00:57 |
| ScottL | heh :) | 00:57 |
| ailo | ScottL, http://ugr.teampr0xy.net/ | 00:57 |
| ScottL | oh, i haven't tried that yet...i'm still using the maverick install with gnome3 installed on top | 00:58 |
| ailo | Have you suffered any crashes so far? | 00:58 |
| ailo | Seems like Maverick is the way to go | 00:58 |
| ailo | ScottL, What are the main differences between that and Fedora's Gnome3. | 00:59 |
| ScottL | fedora's seemed a little more "completed" or "finished"...mainly it was the right side "panel" | 01:00 |
| ScottL | no crashes so far, but i should say that i haven't really done too much with it or for very long | 01:00 |
| ScottL | i did get jack started with qjackctl and started ardour...made a few new tracks with ardour, but that is it | 01:00 |
| ScottL | i think i surfed the internet a bit | 01:00 |
| ScottL | added some favourties to me left side menu that comes up with the super key | 01:01 |
| ailo | Think I will try installing Fedora. Doesn't really matter so much. Get some audio programs installed, and the just give it testrun. Get to know Gnome most of all | 01:01 |
| ailo | Probably good to try using some graphical programs too. Blender as well | 01:02 |
| ailo | graphical = programs used to make graphics :P | 01:03 |
| ScottL | ooooh, i didn't think of that, good call | 01:03 |
| ScottL | i'm talking with jcastro about gnome-panels and gnome3 | 01:04 |
| ScottL | he might have a good suggestion for testing gnome3 with natty | 01:04 |
| ScottL | jcastro recommends: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 | 01:05 |
| ScottL | and warns that it's still a work in progress and we should backup any data | 01:05 |
| ailo | ScottL, That's the one I tried before, however, I tried installing ubuntu-minimal without a desktop first. | 01:27 |
| ailo | Let's see if I can get it to work.. | 01:27 |
| ailo | ScottL, Have you had problems with Grub menu having a bad resolution for your screen | 01:32 |
| ailo | ? | 01:32 |
| ailo | There are some issues with Natty, that are a little hard to melt | 01:32 |
| ailo | digest, I mean | 01:32 |
| ScottL | ailo, not really, just a disgusting color as the background :P | 01:35 |
| ScottL | ailo, but seriously, i haven't had *any* problems with grub at all recently | 01:35 |
| ailo | I get it all the time. Even with beta 1. I should report it. | 01:36 |
| ScottL | yeah, probably so | 01:37 |
| ScottL | hi T0rCh_raony | 03:26 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, whenever it is convenient can we talk about the methodology for getting plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio updated? | 03:46 |
| ScottL | to avoid any mistakes like i made last time | 03:46 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Wel lthere is only one thing really, if you need to update images in the package, or any other binary file, it needs to be given to me in a tarball. :) | 03:47 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, do you need the diff along with the tar ball? | 03:48 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Depends on whether the debian directory is also int eh tarball. If you pretty much build the package and ship the tarball over minus the dsc, I can do the rest. | 03:49 |
| ScottL | i presume the tar ball would be more than sufficient | 03:49 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 04:05 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, how shall i get the tarball to you? attach it to the previous bug? | 04:16 |
| ScottL | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/706312 | 04:16 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 706312 in ubuntustudio-look (Ubuntu) "update plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio to remove progress bar for natty" [Undecided,Fix released] | 04:16 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Actually, that package has a bzr branch. Maybe if you make your changes there, I can pull them and upload that way. | 04:16 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: And yeah, re-open that bug if you like. | 04:16 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, okay, so pull the branch, make the changes, the commit and push? | 04:17 |
| TheMuso | yep | 04:17 |
| ScottL | if i don't get it done tonight, i will have it done by tomorrow night (24 hours from now) | 04:17 |
| TheMuso | Sure no proble,. | 04:20 |
| TheMuso | problem | 04:20 |
| ScottL | i feel reasonably confident it will work this time as i had built it and tested it, ailo had tested it, we discovered why the .png file didn't get updated, i built it again, and testing it again :) | 04:23 |
| ScottL | i just wish i had made the time to address this before, i kept putting it off for other things and the release date snuck up on me | 04:23 |
| ailo | We should get Ralf to do some testing on -lowlatency. I bet he would give us some nice facts | 04:36 |
| ailo | At least what midi is concerned | 04:37 |
| ailo | Didn't think about that yet. | 04:37 |
| ailo | What audio latency is concerned, I'm starting to like 2.6.39 a lot | 04:37 |
| ScottL | i'm really considering adding the release schedule to a google calender so i can have reminders | 04:53 |
| ScottL | i always seem to be behind on team reporting, release notes, and the like | 04:53 |
| abogani | ailo: Are you around? | 08:38 |
| * abogani waves all! | 08:44 | |
| ailo | abogani, I'm here. Happy with the latest -lowlatency | 08:49 |
| abogani | ailo: About your last email. | 08:49 |
| ailo | abogani, Yes? | 08:50 |
| abogani | The last kernel in you email is 38-8-lowlatency: Is it right? | 08:50 |
| ailo | abogani, No, typo. | 08:50 |
| abogani | Ok | 08:50 |
| abogani | So you used open source video driver (nvidia should dead-lock at the moment) and you installed rtirq-init, right? | 08:51 |
| ailo | abogani, Right. No nvidia drivers + rtirq-init | 08:52 |
| ailo | I mean, I did use rtirq | 08:52 |
| abogani | very odd your results about on-board sound card... | 08:53 |
| ailo | abogani, That the results are the same? | 08:53 |
| ailo | On -generic and -lowlatency? | 08:53 |
| abogani | On both because they have same results! | 08:53 |
| abogani | I ask you the only last tests: | 08:54 |
| ailo | abogani, I have had good results on -generic now for at least a week. | 08:54 |
| ailo | So, it is as it was with 2.6.38-1, at the beginning | 08:54 |
| ailo | Only two cases where -generic is not performing well, while -lowlatency is. 1. holstein using firewire (don't know which arch) 2. Me using AMD64 | 08:55 |
| abogani | Could you provide me the output of 'ps -eo cmd,pid,rtprio' and say me the irqs of on-board and 101lt devices? | 08:55 |
| abogani | *1010lt | 08:55 |
| ailo | Just a moment | 08:56 |
| ailo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/593015/ | 08:59 |
| ailo | On this machine, I have two ice1712 cards, and they are on irq 18 and 19 | 09:00 |
| ailo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/593016/ | 09:01 |
| ailo | And this machine seems like the onboard card is on irq 45 | 09:02 |
| abogani | There is a problem on the last one. | 09:04 |
| abogani | ailo: rtirq failed on the last one. | 09:04 |
| abogani | ailo: Could you check if rtirq-init is installed on the last machine, please? | 09:05 |
| ailo | abogani, It is. However, this is the line about the device and the irq: 45: 6056257 0 PCI-MSI-edge hda_intel | 09:06 |
| ailo | Shouldn't it be IO-APIC-fasteoi? Or does it matter? | 09:07 |
| abogani | ailo: Not matter which type of interrupt your sound device uses. | 09:07 |
| ailo | ok | 09:07 |
| abogani | It isn;t prioritized. | 09:07 |
| ailo | abogani, But that is the machine that gives the best results with -generic | 09:07 |
| abogani | As you can see all irq have 50 prio. | 09:08 |
| abogani | ailo: And the worst with -lowlatency. :-) | 09:08 |
| abogani | Try to compare "ps -eo rtprio,cmd" on both machines. You will see clearly the problem. | 09:10 |
| abogani | If you ever repeat tests could you add one, please? | 09:11 |
| ailo | abogani, Yes. Not only for one device, but for two. I should try to reboot and see if I have made a mistake | 09:12 |
| abogani | Only -39-0-lowlatency kernel with and without nothreadirqs kernel option | 09:12 |
| abogani | Thanks in advance. | 09:12 |
| ailo | You mean, uninstall rtirq-init in between tests? | 09:13 |
| ailo | Seems I already have done tests without it on one machine :) | 09:13 |
| ailo | I did seem to have slightly better performance, even so, on that machine | 09:14 |
| ailo | I will reboot now | 09:14 |
| ailo | abogani, It seems booting in safe graphical mode may affect this feature. Can it be possible? | 09:17 |
| ailo | I have higher prio now | 09:17 |
| ailo | But, at least on this machine, the rtirq is not improving performance so that I can detect it | 09:19 |
| ailo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/593020/ | 09:20 |
| ailo | The lowest latency setting I can use is the same as before | 09:20 |
| ailo | abogani, How can I remove the rtirq-init script without removing the kernel? | 09:22 |
| abogani | ailo: Why? | 09:23 |
| ailo | abogani, The kernel is depending on rtirq-init | 09:23 |
| ailo | And when I try remove rtirq it wants to remove the kernel image | 09:24 |
| abogani | Yeah but you wouldn't want remove it. | 09:24 |
| ailo | How can I disable it? | 09:24 |
| abogani | Sorry I have to go out right now. | 09:24 |
| ailo | abogani, Ok. See you. | 09:25 |
| abogani | Perhaps an "exit 0" at the head of the script. | 09:25 |
| ailo | Well, booting into recovery mode, and then using safe graphic mode does disable the rtirq script | 09:29 |
| ailo | abogani, I will make more testing later, but from what I see, testing both machines very quickly, I cannot find any significant benefit from the rtirq on my machines. We need to have someone test it who has a device sharing irq and usually gets problems because of that | 09:33 |
| ScottL | good morning everyone :) | 13:18 |
| ScottL | hi quadrispro, how are you? | 22:38 |
| ScottL | so when will unity enter into unstable? | 22:39 |
| quadrispro | ehya ScottL, fine :) and you, how'r you doing? | 22:39 |
| quadrispro | eh I don't know, I'm working hard on LV2 | 22:39 |
| quadrispro | rev.4 | 22:39 |
| ScottL | lol, that was a bad joke on my part about unity :P | 22:39 |
| quadrispro | mmm I know that an ITP was opened | 22:40 |
| ScottL | i haven't kept up with the particulars, has lv2 changed much for rev.4? | 22:40 |
| quadrispro | not so much | 22:41 |
| quadrispro | just a number of things for who wants to package LV2 exts,plugins | 22:41 |
| ScottL | bu ti guess you still need to rebuild everything with some slight changes | 22:41 |
| quadrispro | no need to rebuild anything :) | 22:41 |
| quadrispro | I've left /usr/include/lv2.h for backward compatibility | 22:42 |
| ScottL | i may seem a a little loopy because i'm using some muscle relaxers for my neck and i'm feeling a little funny :) | 22:42 |
| quadrispro | lol | 22:42 |
| quadrispro | the really relevant change is: ladish :) | 22:43 |
| ScottL | yes it is :) | 22:43 |
| ScottL | i'm quite happy to see this coming, i think it beats the pants off of jack session | 22:44 |
| ScottL | if what i understand is true | 22:44 |
| ScottL | falk is quite taken with ladish | 22:44 |
| ScottL | i haven't had much luck with jack-session and it's dreadfully unintuitive to know what you are doing IMO | 22:44 |
| ScottL | but that was six months ago or so, i'm sure it's improved since then | 22:45 |
| quadrispro | if everything goes fine, within 2-3 months we'll have a first good version of the whole ladish'd stack in Debian testing | 22:47 |
| quadrispro | Ubuntu 11.10 will get benefits from that | 22:47 |
| quadrispro | and it'll provide ladish, finally | 22:48 |
| ScottL | lol, i read that as 2-3 "years" at first and almost fainted | 22:48 |
| ScottL | that's really good though | 22:48 |
| ScottL | quadrispro, what's debian doing about gnome3? everyone moving to it? | 22:48 |
| quadrispro | really I don't know much things on that topic | 22:51 |
| quadrispro | I think we'll move from GNOME2 -> GNOME3 for Wheezy, I don't think GNOME2 will get support for the next 2 years | 22:53 |
| ScottL | yeah, that is a concern for ubuntu studio, the majority think that unity or GNOME3 don't provide a good DE for studio work flow | 22:54 |
| quadrispro | yep, I've read something via UbuntuStudio ML, I didn't join the discussion due to the few spare time I have these days | 22:56 |
| quadrispro | have to go now, see you soon" | 22:57 |
| quadrispro | bye! | 22:57 |
| ScottL | ciao :) | 22:57 |
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