[00:56] <ailo> ScottL, The Gnome3 link you gave didn't work for me
[00:57] <ailo> :(
[00:57] <ScottL> which link did i give you?
[00:57] <ailo> At least regular Ubuntu didn't mess up my Grub this time
[00:57] <ScottL> heh :)
[00:57] <ailo> ScottL, http://ugr.teampr0xy.net/
[00:58] <ScottL> oh, i haven't tried that yet...i'm still using the maverick install with gnome3 installed on top
[00:58] <ailo> Have you suffered any crashes so far?
[00:58] <ailo> Seems like Maverick is the way to go
[00:59] <ailo> ScottL, What are the main differences between that and Fedora's Gnome3.
[01:00] <ScottL> fedora's seemed a little more "completed" or "finished"...mainly it was the right side "panel"
[01:00] <ScottL> no crashes so far, but i should say that i haven't really done too much with it or for very long
[01:00] <ScottL> i did get jack started with qjackctl and started ardour...made a few new tracks with ardour, but that is it
[01:00] <ScottL> i think i surfed the internet a bit
[01:01] <ScottL> added some favourties to me left side menu that comes up with the super key
[01:01] <ailo> Think I will try installing Fedora. Doesn't really matter so much. Get some audio programs installed, and the just give it testrun. Get to know Gnome most of all
[01:02] <ailo> Probably good to try using some graphical programs too. Blender as well
[01:03] <ailo> graphical = programs used to make graphics :P
[01:03] <ScottL> ooooh, i didn't think of that, good call
[01:04] <ScottL> i'm talking with jcastro about gnome-panels and gnome3
[01:04] <ScottL> he might have a good suggestion for testing gnome3 with natty
[01:05] <ScottL> jcastro recommends:  https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[01:05] <ScottL> and warns that it's still a work in progress and we should backup any data
[01:27] <ailo> ScottL, That's the one I tried before, however, I tried installing ubuntu-minimal without a desktop first.
[01:27] <ailo> Let's see if I can get it to work..
[01:32] <ailo> ScottL, Have you had problems with Grub menu having a bad resolution for your screen
[01:32] <ailo> ?
[01:32] <ailo> There are some issues with Natty, that are a little hard to melt
[01:32] <ailo> digest, I mean
[01:35] <ScottL> ailo, not really, just a disgusting color as the background :P
[01:35] <ScottL> ailo, but seriously, i haven't had *any* problems with grub at all recently
[01:36] <ailo> I get it all the time. Even with beta 1. I should report it.
[01:37] <ScottL> yeah, probably so
[03:26] <ScottL> hi T0rCh_raony 
[03:46] <ScottL> TheMuso, whenever it is convenient can we talk about the methodology for getting plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio updated?
[03:46] <ScottL> to avoid any mistakes like i made last time
[03:47] <TheMuso> ScottL: Wel lthere is only one thing really, if you need to update images in the package, or any other binary file, it needs to be given to me in a tarball. :)
[03:48] <ScottL> TheMuso, do you need the diff along with the tar ball?
[03:49] <TheMuso> ScottL: Depends on whether the debian directory is also int eh tarball. If you pretty much build the package and ship the tarball over minus the dsc, I can do the rest.
[03:49] <ScottL> i presume the tar ball would be more than sufficient
[04:05] <TheMuso> Yep.
[04:16] <ScottL> TheMuso, how shall i get the tarball to you?  attach it to the previous bug?
[04:16] <ScottL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/706312
[04:16] <TheMuso> ScottL: Actually, that package has a bzr branch. Maybe if you make your changes there, I can pull them and upload that way.
[04:16] <TheMuso> ScottL: And yeah, re-open that bug if you like.
[04:17] <ScottL> TheMuso, okay, so pull the branch, make the changes, the commit and push?
[04:17] <TheMuso> yep
[04:17] <ScottL> if i don't get it done tonight, i will have it done by tomorrow night (24 hours from now)
[04:20] <TheMuso> Sure no proble,.
[04:20] <TheMuso> problem
[04:23] <ScottL> i feel reasonably confident it will work this time as i had built it and tested it, ailo had tested it, we discovered why the .png file didn't get updated, i built it again, and testing it again :)
[04:23] <ScottL> i just wish i had made the time to address this before, i kept putting it off for other things and the release date snuck up on me
[04:36] <ailo> We should get Ralf to do some testing on -lowlatency. I bet he would give us some nice facts
[04:37] <ailo> At least what midi is concerned
[04:37] <ailo> Didn't think about that yet. 
[04:37] <ailo> What audio latency is concerned, I'm starting to like 2.6.39 a lot
[04:53] <ScottL> i'm really considering adding the release schedule to a google calender so i can have reminders
[04:53] <ScottL> i always seem to be behind on team reporting, release notes, and the like
[08:38] <abogani> ailo: Are you around?
[08:44]  * abogani waves all!
[08:49] <ailo> abogani, I'm here. Happy with the latest -lowlatency
[08:49] <abogani> ailo: About your last email.
[08:50] <ailo> abogani, Yes?
[08:50] <abogani> The last kernel in you email is 38-8-lowlatency: Is it right?
[08:50] <ailo> abogani, No, typo.
[08:50] <abogani> Ok
[08:51] <abogani> So you used open source video driver (nvidia should dead-lock at the moment) and you installed rtirq-init, right?
[08:52] <ailo> abogani, Right. No nvidia drivers + rtirq-init
[08:52] <ailo> I mean, I did use rtirq
[08:53] <abogani> very odd your results about on-board sound card...
[08:53] <ailo> abogani, That the results are the same?
[08:53] <ailo> On -generic and -lowlatency?
[08:53] <abogani> On both because they have same results!
[08:54] <abogani> I ask you the only last tests:
[08:54] <ailo> abogani, I have had good results on -generic now for at least a week.
[08:54] <ailo> So, it is as it was with 2.6.38-1, at the beginning
[08:55] <ailo> Only two cases where -generic is not performing well, while -lowlatency is. 1. holstein using firewire (don't know which arch) 2. Me using AMD64
[08:55] <abogani> Could you provide me the output of 'ps -eo cmd,pid,rtprio' and say me the irqs of on-board and 101lt devices?
[08:55] <abogani> *1010lt
[08:56] <ailo> Just a moment
[08:59] <ailo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/593015/
[09:00] <ailo> On this machine, I have two ice1712 cards, and they are on irq 18 and 19
[09:01] <ailo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/593016/
[09:02] <ailo> And this machine seems like the onboard card is on irq 45
[09:04] <abogani> There is a problem on the last one.
[09:04] <abogani> ailo: rtirq failed on the last one.
[09:05] <abogani> ailo: Could you check if rtirq-init is installed on the last machine, please?
[09:06] <ailo> abogani, It is. However, this is the line about the device and the irq:  45:    6056257          0   PCI-MSI-edge      hda_intel
[09:07] <ailo> Shouldn't it be IO-APIC-fasteoi? Or does it matter?
[09:07] <abogani> ailo: Not matter which type of interrupt your sound device uses.
[09:07] <ailo> ok
[09:07] <abogani> It isn;t prioritized.
[09:07] <ailo> abogani, But that is the machine that gives the best results with -generic
[09:08] <abogani> As you can see all irq have 50 prio.
[09:08] <abogani> ailo: And the worst with -lowlatency. :-)
[09:10] <abogani> Try to compare "ps -eo rtprio,cmd" on both machines. You will see clearly the problem.
[09:11] <abogani> If you ever repeat tests could you add one, please?
[09:12] <ailo> abogani, Yes. Not only for one device, but for two. I should try to reboot and see if I have made a mistake
[09:12] <abogani> Only -39-0-lowlatency kernel with and without nothreadirqs kernel option
[09:12] <abogani> Thanks in advance.
[09:13] <ailo> You mean, uninstall rtirq-init in between tests?
[09:13] <ailo> Seems I already have done tests without it on one machine :)
[09:14] <ailo> I did seem to have slightly better performance, even so, on that machine
[09:14] <ailo> I will reboot now
[09:17] <ailo> abogani, It seems booting in safe graphical mode may affect this feature. Can it be possible?
[09:17] <ailo> I have higher prio now
[09:19] <ailo> But, at least on this machine, the rtirq is not improving performance so that I can detect it
[09:20] <ailo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/593020/
[09:20] <ailo> The lowest latency setting I can use is the same as before
[09:22] <ailo> abogani, How can I remove the rtirq-init script without removing the kernel?
[09:23] <abogani> ailo: Why?
[09:23] <ailo> abogani, The kernel is depending on rtirq-init
[09:24] <ailo> And when I try remove rtirq it wants to remove the kernel image
[09:24] <abogani> Yeah but you wouldn't want remove it.
[09:24] <ailo> How can I disable it?
[09:24] <abogani> Sorry I have to go out right now.
[09:25] <ailo> abogani, Ok. See you.
[09:25] <abogani> Perhaps an "exit 0" at the head of the script.
[09:29] <ailo> Well, booting into recovery mode, and then using safe graphic mode does disable the rtirq script
[09:33] <ailo> abogani, I will make more testing later, but from what I see, testing both machines very quickly, I cannot find any significant benefit from the rtirq on my machines. We need to have someone test it who has a device sharing irq and usually gets problems because of that
[13:18] <ScottL> good morning everyone :)
[22:38] <ScottL> hi quadrispro, how are you?
[22:39] <ScottL> so when will unity enter into unstable?
[22:39] <quadrispro> ehya ScottL, fine :) and you, how'r you doing?
[22:39] <quadrispro> eh I don't know, I'm working hard on LV2
[22:39] <quadrispro> rev.4
[22:39] <ScottL> lol, that was a bad joke on my part about unity :P
[22:40] <quadrispro> mmm I know that an ITP was opened
[22:40] <ScottL> i haven't kept up with the particulars, has lv2 changed much for rev.4?
[22:41] <quadrispro> not so much
[22:41] <quadrispro> just a number of things for who wants to package LV2 exts,plugins
[22:41] <ScottL> bu ti guess you still need to rebuild everything with some slight changes
[22:41] <quadrispro> no need to rebuild anything :)
[22:42] <quadrispro> I've left /usr/include/lv2.h for backward compatibility
[22:42] <ScottL> i may seem a a little loopy because i'm using some muscle relaxers for my neck and i'm feeling a little funny :)
[22:42] <quadrispro> lol
[22:43] <quadrispro> the really relevant change is: ladish :)
[22:43] <ScottL> yes it is :)
[22:44] <ScottL> i'm quite happy to see this coming, i think it beats the pants off of jack session
[22:44] <ScottL> if what i understand is true
[22:44] <ScottL> falk is quite taken with ladish
[22:44] <ScottL> i haven't had much luck with jack-session and it's dreadfully unintuitive to know what you are doing IMO
[22:45] <ScottL> but that was six months ago or so, i'm sure it's improved since then
[22:47] <quadrispro> if everything goes fine, within 2-3 months we'll have a first good version of the whole ladish'd stack in Debian testing
[22:47] <quadrispro> Ubuntu 11.10 will get benefits from that
[22:48] <quadrispro> and it'll provide ladish, finally
[22:48] <ScottL> lol, i read that as 2-3 "years" at first and almost fainted
[22:48] <ScottL> that's really good though
[22:48] <ScottL> quadrispro, what's debian doing about gnome3?  everyone moving to it?
[22:51] <quadrispro> really I don't know much things on that topic
[22:53] <quadrispro> I think we'll move from GNOME2 -> GNOME3 for Wheezy, I don't think GNOME2 will get support for the next 2 years
[22:54] <ScottL> yeah, that is a concern for ubuntu studio, the majority think that unity or GNOME3 don't provide a good DE for studio work flow
[22:56] <quadrispro> yep, I've read something via UbuntuStudio ML, I didn't join the discussion due to the few spare time I have these days
[22:57] <quadrispro> have to go now, see you soon"
[22:57] <quadrispro> bye!
[22:57] <ScottL> ciao :)