[02:17] <mthorn> are there xubuntu 11.04 nightly cds available? I wasn't able to find a link on the xubuntu sebsite
[02:17] <mthorn> *website
[02:17] <charlie-tca> yes
[02:17] <charlie-tca> !daily
[02:17] <charlie-tca> well, no
[02:17] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[02:18] <charlie-tca> daily images are available. These are the Beta 2 candidates, and subject to change several times over the next two days, though.
[02:20] <mthorn> thanks, much appreciated
[02:21] <mthorn> I always seem to get a new machine weeks before an ubuntu release, leading to the debate of stable vs beta
[02:22] <charlie-tca> This is the beta 2 candidate, due out Thursday. Final Natty image is to be released April 28, so we are very close to a good image.
[02:22] <mthorn> great!
[10:06] <xubuntu151> Is Xubuntu faster than Ubuntu?
[10:06] <Sysi> it uses less RAM
[10:06] <xubuntu151> Cool
[10:06] <xubuntu151> What are disadvantages of using Xubuntu compared to Ubuntu?
[10:07] <Sysi> nothing i've found, basically it's just different
[10:07] <Sysi> you can make ubuntu xubuntu and other way round, and get everything in ubuntu to xubuntu
[10:07] <xubuntu151> ok
[10:08] <xubuntu151> I'm currently installing Xubuntu after have tested Ubuntu for a while
[10:10] <ochosi> xubuntu151: in a few weeks natty will be released and that release will make a noticeable difference, new xfce-release included
[10:11] <ochosi> just so that you know that upgrade-transition might not be as smooth as in previous releases because quite a few components changed
[10:11] <xubuntu151> ochosi: Is it possible to upgrade to natty from Xubuntu then?
[10:11] <ochosi> xubuntu151: sure, just with some caveats, as i just asid
[10:11] <ochosi> s/asid/said
[10:11] <xubuntu151> cool
[10:12] <xubuntu151> The installation is done now,. Have to restart
[10:12] <xubuntu151> see you soon and thanks for the info
[10:12] <Sysi> ubuntu adn xubuntu are basically same OS, package manager uses same repositories
[10:20] <Softdroid> I'm back
[10:20] <Softdroid> :)
[10:21] <Softdroid> In Ubuntu I could see all my partitions in Places/Location menu
[10:21] <Softdroid> I don't see the other partitions anymore
[10:22] <Sysi> thunar doesn't have that feature
[10:22] <Softdroid> thunar?
[10:22] <Sysi> filemanager in xubuntu
[10:23] <Softdroid> Do I have to mount the partitions everytime now?
[10:23] <Sysi> you can use /etc/fstab
[10:23] <Softdroid> I like the Sound Mixer better in Xubuntu
[10:24] <Softdroid> I couldnt ix the audio problem in Ubuntu, one of the main reason for the switch
[10:44] <Softdroid> Sysi, What did you mean by using /ec/fstab?
[10:44] <Sysi> you set automounts there
[10:44] <Sysi> !mount
[10:45] <Softdroid> The sound is working very nice in Xubuntu, I tried in over one month to fix it in Ubuntu. It was impossible
[10:45] <Softdroid> Ok
[10:45] <Softdroid> Thanks
[10:50] <Softdroid> How can I see which version of Xubunt I have installed?
[10:50] <Softdroid> xubuntu
[10:50] <knome> 'lsb_release -a' in terminal
[10:51] <Softdroid> It says Ubuntu 10.10 but when I click at the help menu it says Welcome to Xubuntu 9.10!
[10:52] <knome> yeah, the help might be a bit outdated...
[10:53] <Softdroid> Ok, but its the lsb_release info which is the right one?
[10:53] <knome> yes
[10:53] <Softdroid> thanks knome
[10:53] <knome> it will always say Ubuntu though, so you need to know by other means that you're using Xubuntu :)
[10:53] <Softdroid> ok :)
[10:54] <Softdroid> I love Xubuntu already after the sound fix :)
[10:54] <knome> it is a good OS
[12:23] <concon> Can I get some help on how to select default playback device?
[12:32] <MikeDD> Does anyone know how to remove items from the application menu?
[13:10] <BiFeO3_home> Good morning. How do you set the default sound device in Xubuntu? Any help, greatly appreciated.
[13:10] <Sysi> install pavucintrol
[13:12] <BiFeO3_home> Which repository? I'm a X/ubuntu newbie.  :-)
[13:12] <BiFeO3_home> Gentoo is giving me a headache right now, so I'm going for something a bit more friendly.
[13:13] <Sysi> just install, it's in the default ones
[13:14] <BiFeO3_home> http://pastebin.com/qFu7m1Tj
[13:23] <BiFeO3_home> Ah, pavucontrol. That's it.
[14:52] <jpiche> just upgraded to natty and installed `xubuntu-desktop` package (along with other xfce4-* packages), but network manager has the default "no image" icon, regardless of the theme or icon set I use. I've tried killing it and restarting it manually, but no luck. any advice?
[14:52] <Sysi> jpiche: add indicator plugin to panel
[14:52] <Sysi> also: #ubuntu+1
[14:53] <SoftDroid> Is it possible to edit the program menu?
[14:54] <mikubuntu> is there a way to selectively delete random screensaver that displays your file photos?
[14:54] <Sysi> settings → screensaver
[14:55] <SoftDroid> Sysi: Is is possible to add Indicator plugin to Xubuntu?
[14:56] <Sysi> yes
[14:56] <SoftDroid> Sysi: How? :)
[14:56] <Sysi> install that panel plugin and add
[14:56] <SoftDroid> Sysi: I can't find it in at ProgramCentrak
[14:56] <Sysi> but i'm not sure if it's natty-only
[14:56] <charlie-tca> only in natty, I think
[14:56] <Sysi> you basically can't edit menu before natty
[14:57] <SoftDroid> What is natty?
[14:57] <jpiche> Sysi, thank you :-)
[14:57] <Sysi> !11.04
[14:57] <SoftDroid> ok
[14:57] <SoftDroid> thanks
[14:58] <mikubuntu> sysi, i don't think that standard screensaver interface allows selective deletion of screensaver elements (does it?)
[14:58] <Sysi> if you set it to not use some screensaver it will not use it
[14:59] <mikubuntu> let me look again
[14:59] <charlie-tca> check the advanced settings tabbed
[15:00] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca, lemme see
[15:03] <mikubuntu> my screensaver control doesn't have an advanced tab.  it looks like glslideshow is the screensaver i don't want, but to me it looks like i have to either select one screensaver (BORING) or random, which from time to time (randomly) is going to use glslideshow ... there OUGHT to be a way to disable that element
[15:04] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu is that?
[15:05] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver has two tabs, screensaver and adv anced
[15:05] <mikubuntu> on this machine is ubuntu 10.04, but they are the same aren't they?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:06] <mikubuntu> oooOOOoooh.  can i use xscreensaver on here then?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> You have gnome-screensaver, and it doesn't have the tab to disable that
[15:06] <charlie-tca> I think you can install xscreensaver and remove gnome-screensaver
[15:07] <mikubuntu> gnna try, it drives me crazy.  thanks.
[15:11] <Fenix2> hi.. a question..
[15:12] <Fenix2> when I choose to have trasparent terminal windows it shows the desktop, not my irc client underneath the terminal window.. how can I fix this ?
[15:14] <Fenix2> I can't find any switch to flick for it to show the windows below itself but it "looks through all windows" ergo I see the desktop through my terminals
[15:14] <knome> Fenix2, use the compositor in settings->window manager
[15:16] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca, k, i got xscreensaver up, but when i click on elements in the random list they all say 'not installed' ... i wonder if it just needs an update?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> install xscreensaver-??? packages
[15:21] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca: k, lemme look, thx
[15:22] <Fenix2> knome: tnx. turning compositing on and restarting terminal worked
[15:23] <Fenix2> knome: do you happen to know how I can turn Compiz on ( installed it but I can not find a start/stop switch to flic )
[15:24] <Sysi> compiz --replace
[15:24] <Sysi> i recommend installing emerald before it
[15:24] <Sysi> and setting compiz to use it
[15:25] <Fenix2> Sysi: what's emerald ? I basically want the full screen tast switcher ( Scale plugin ) that I've grown accustomed to on OS Xes
[15:26] <Sysi> it draws window borders
[15:26] <Sysi> there's other option too but i can't remember it, it it tries to use xfwm4 it won't work
[15:27] <Fenix2> Sysi: about border drawing... whotf had the bright idea to make the borders 1 px wide... it aint a joy to try to resize a window
[15:27] <Fenix2> .. by dragging from the corner
[15:27] <Sysi> well alt+right click still works
[15:28] <Fenix2> Sysi: tnx for the tip.. I didn't know no nothing about alt+rightclick
[15:37] <Fenix2> Sysi: now I've isnstalled emerald .. then accessed the emerald and save a default style but it doesn't change the windows ( i.e. once again I can't find the switch to flick to turn emerald on )
[15:37] <Sysi> use compiz settings to set it to use emerald
[15:38] <Fenix2> so I type 'compiz --replace' in the shell or what ?
[15:38] <Sysi> or alt+F2
[15:39] <Fenix2> ok. now I have different borders
[15:39] <Fenix2> did that set compiz to turn itself on on start-up ?
[15:39] <Fenix2> s/turn/run
[15:40] <Sysi> nope
[15:40] <Fenix2> so I need to write a S10Compiz and put it where the start files are or what should I do ?
[15:41] <Sysi> settings → sessions and autostart and add that command there
[15:42] <Fenix2> Sysi: sry.. this is difficult because everything is in Finnish
[15:42] <drc> I noticed that booting from a LiveUSB 11.04B has no nvidia proprietary driver listed in Additional Drivers.  Does this mean that the nvidia driver is 1) not working in 11.04b or 2) Just not available in 11.04b?  Also, if I "update-manager -d" from  10.10 (which has the driver installed), will 11.04b recognize (and use) the driver?
[15:42] <Sysi> Fenix2: i am at #ubuntu-fi too
[15:43] <Sysi> drc: #ubuntu+1 knows
[15:43] <drc> Sysi: Thanks
[15:43] <Fenix2> Sysi: 'k done. compiz is now a startup item
[15:44] <Fenix2> Sysi: where can I install plug-ins for Compiz and manage it's settings ?
[15:47] <Fenix2> <- going to go to ask in #compiz
[15:47] <ochosi> Fenix2: for settings, install the package compizconfig-settings-manager
[15:47] <Fenix2> ochosi: 'k tnx will do
[15:47] <ochosi> Fenix2: for plugins, you can activate them there, they are packaged in bundles
[15:47] <ochosi> Fenix2: in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra and compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[15:49] <Fenix2> for "compizconfig-settings-manager" it finds a simple, and a complicated item to install... which should I choose ochosi ? I want that 3D-cube workspace thingy and the Scale-plugin
[15:50] <ochosi> Fenix2: you want the "complicated" one
[15:50] <ochosi> Fenix2: but really, there is only ONE package with that name
[15:51] <ochosi> Fenix2: meaning, "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager" will give you that package
[15:51] <Fenix2> ochosi: instaaling it now
[15:51] <ochosi> even the "complicated" one is fairly simple to use, only problem is the 1001 options for each plugin
[16:02] <Fenix2> ochosi: I can't find where to install plugins for Compiz
[16:02] <Fenix2> and how do I activate the different effects ?
[16:02] <ochosi> Fenix2: you have to activate them in the compiz-config settings manager you just insatlled
[16:03] <ochosi> usually you'd find that in $applicationsmenu > settings
[16:04] <Fenix2> ochosi: I've the compiz settings program running but it has no menu
[16:04] <ochosi> ?
[16:05] <ochosi> click a plugin and then "activate" it
[16:05] <ochosi> in the plugin-settings
[16:05] <Fenix2> no drop-down textual menu
[16:05] <ochosi> Fenix2: it should look like this: http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/attachments/00/28/ccsm_.png
[16:05] <ochosi> that's all
[16:05] <ochosi> no menu needed
[16:06] <ochosi> those plugins that are ticked are activated
[16:06] <ochosi> g2g now, maybe someone else can help you with this
[16:07] <Fenix2> ochosi: 'k big thanks
[16:07] <ochosi> np
[16:10] <Fenix2> <- I'm going to go to #compiz
[16:12] <MikeDD> Need to remove individual items from an OTHER menu from wine,   http://paste.ubuntu.com/593160/
[16:13] <MikeDD> Line 6 is set to All, which I guess means that I can go into some other file and kill off the links to the appropriate items... I don´t understand though..
[16:14] <MikeDD> charlie-tca: The drive wouldnt work, until I ran Disk Warrior on it the other day.  Write access restored!
[16:14] <charlie-tca> great!
[16:15] <MikeDD> It had errors, but Disk Warrior 4.1 fixed em
[16:15] <MikeDD> Now I am trying to delete dead icons/links from the ¨other¨.. applications>other
[16:16] <MikeDD> having little luck
[16:16] <MikeDD> I looked in xfce-applications.menu  and toward the bottom is http://paste.ubuntu.com/593160/
[16:17] <charlie-tca> remove the .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/ ?
[16:18] <MikeDD> not yet
[16:18] <charlie-tca> That removes the menu entry
[16:19] <MikeDD> see em, going to delete the appropriate ones right now
[16:20] <MikeDD> Since some have spaces, can I kill them inside xfce?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> should be able to delete them using thunar
[16:21] <MikeDD> the tab trick isnt working in the terminal for a ¨sudo rm....¨
[16:22] <charlie-tca> use thunar file manager, turn on hidden files in the view menu
[16:22] <MikeDD> deleted a couple, now I need to refresh in the terminal right?
[16:23] <knome> MikeDD, sudo rm -rf "Folder Name/"
[16:23] <knome> MikeDD, or 'sudo rm -rf Folder\ Name
[16:23] <knome> -'
[16:23] <MikeDD> I found them under that folder, but they still show up in the menu bar.
[16:24] <MikeDD> delete a couple, but they still show up.
[16:25] <MikeDD> found more under a subfolder called wine
[16:27] <MikeDD> Should I trash all the Desktop files in that folder?
[16:27] <MikeDD> I only have one application that I can easily re-install
[16:27] <MikeDD> REAPER
[16:28] <MikeDD> so  as long as the whole computer doesnt explode...
[16:30] <MikeDD> Yeah, I did rm wine-*.*
[16:30] <MikeDD> it seems to have fixed it
[16:31] <MikeDD> Yep, totally fixed!
[16:32] <MikeDD> I was talking to some guy earlier for an hour..
[16:32] <MikeDD> couldn´t figure out what to do..
[16:33] <MikeDD> If I ever meet you in real life, you will get all the beer you want.
[16:34] <knome> MikeDD, where do you live? :P
[16:34] <MikeDD> You´re a freaking saviour, I have been bugging out about this little issue all morning..
[16:34] <MikeDD> Dayton, OH
[16:34] <knome> heh
[16:34] <Fenix2> I'm in Xfce settings -> Workspaces but when I inrement the amount of workspaces it doesn't add them to the list. I'd like to have 4 workspaces
[16:35] <knome> charlie-tca, there's your chance
[16:35] <Fenix2> this a bug ?
[16:35] <Fenix2> or amidoinitwrong
[16:35] <MikeDD> What, are you in Dayton too?
[16:35] <Sysi> Fenix2: set it from compiz
[16:35] <Fenix2> Sysi: 'k
[16:35] <knome> MikeDD, nope :P
[16:36] <knome> i don't actually know where charlie-tca is, can't remember since he moved a while ago (or it might be a bit more than a while)
[16:36] <MikeDD> We used to have a computer show at Hara called Computerfest
[16:36] <MikeDD> was twice a year, for a long time
[16:36] <MikeDD> before the show went on indefinite hiatus, there was a big Linux presence
[16:37] <MikeDD> Mad Dog even did some lectures
[16:37] <charlie-tca> eastern Idaho, USA
[16:37] <MikeDD> Sadly, the show hasnt happened for quite some time.. I think about 5 years...
[16:37] <knome> idaho... ohio... :P
[16:37] <charlie-tca> 3000 miles
[16:38] <knome> yeah but the names... somewhat similar
[16:38] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:38] <MikeDD> Yeah, that´s pretty far
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Almost the same thing
[16:38] <Fenix2> Sysi: I'm in compiz settings - > general settings -> desktop size tab and there is a field for "how many workspaces" but I can't effectively change it from 1 to 4
[16:39] <MikeDD> I hide out in this hole of a town, make beats on a MPC, and generally waste time fixing stuff that I likely broke in the first place...
[16:39] <Fenix2> hmm.. ctrl-alt-leftarrow gives me a "new" workspace
[16:40] <MikeDD> I have been using REAPER on wine, and aside from a few glitches, it works borderline-perfectly.
[16:41] <charlie-tca> gimp is 3 window layout again?
[16:41] <MikeDD> I wish they would do a native port of Reaper..
[16:43] <MikeDD> You know what there needs to be? An easy way to gift people...
[16:43] <MikeDD> Thinking along the lines of how amazon works, or something similar to paypal.
[16:44] <MikeDD> Maybe what I am talking about already exists?
[16:45] <MikeDD> Granted, I know that money can be sent a variety of ways..
[16:46] <MikeDD> I gotta google this, it might already be in place.
[16:46] <charlie-tca> trying to run 3 installs and take a shower is difficult
[16:46] <ochosi> MikeDD: maybe flattr?
[16:48] <MikeDD> looking at it right now, I hadnt heard of that one before you mentioned it
[16:48] <ochosi> not sure it's exactly what you want though
[16:48] <ochosi> because you can only flattr people that are part of flattr
[16:49] <MikeDD> it is close though
[16:50] <MikeDD> I mean though, if I had a 5er and wanted to give it to someone online.. currently gets done through systems like paypal..
[16:51] <ochosi> mmhm
[16:52] <MikeDD> I am not exactly sure what I think .. flattr comes close, amazon comes closer in some ways.
[16:53] <MikeDD> ls
[16:53] <MikeDD> wrong window
[16:53] <MikeDD> Yeah, charlie-tca.. that tip totally fixed it
[16:54] <MikeDD> Those icons were ¨taunting¨ me... mocking my existence... they had to go...
[16:54] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Sometimes we get things right
[16:55] <MikeDD> failed windows game installs in wine..
[16:55] <MikeDD> I will get that carp sorted out later..
[16:56] <MikeDD> The guy I talked to earlier, suggested a re-install of the system I think...
[16:56] <MikeDD> I was like... ¨no....¨
[16:57] <charlie-tca> No, not for menu issues
[16:57] <MikeDD> I know... I was yelling at the monitor, like he might hear it..
[16:58] <MikeDD> Like dude, I am not reinstalling an entire os and everything that goes along with it, because a frickin icon wont disappear..
[16:59] <MikeDD> I must have explained that to him about 10 times, you understood on what.. the first mention of it
[17:00] <MikeDD> I have a page up if you want to hear some tracks I made?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Depends on how long they have been away from windows, actually
[17:01] <charlie-tca> I can look at it,
[17:01] <MikeDD> http://akaimpcnetwork.ning.com/profile/MikeDoubleD
[17:01] <charlie-tca> knome does more music than I do
[17:02] <MikeDD> I make beats/remixes/dub, etc.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Too hard on my eyes. The red on black is very difficult for me to read
[17:03] <MikeDD> you dont need to read that crap, the player is on the left side and below my friend list
[17:04] <MikeDD> I hate doing autobiographies
[17:05] <Fenix2> tnx for your help
[18:58] <MikeDD> What is the preferred program to import from a digital camera, like the Nikon Coolpix S3000?
[20:26] <quup> is 11.04 beta reasonably realible to yield a functional system?
[20:26] <Sysi> beta can't basically be recommended, but it shouldn't be very broken anymore
[20:27] <quup> ya ofc, ok :)
[20:27] <Sysi> xubuntu is a bit better than ubuntu because new xfce was released some time ago
[20:27] <quup> just did a fresh ubuntu install and got kubuntu, but I don't think it's for me
[20:27] <quup> so figure I should try xubuntu again, havn't used it in years
[20:28] <Sysi> xfce 4.8 is great
[20:28] <drc> quup: As Sysi said, it's beta, but I just fresh installed, and it looks/acts fine so far.  Can't say about the next 5 minutes, though.
[20:28] <quup> is there lot of panicing now preparing for 11.04 final?
[20:29] <quup> drc: hehe right
[20:29] <Sysi> i think xubuntu is quite setted, dunno about general stuff
[21:08] <WRStone> Hey, I have a funky one.  I'm running the beta of Natty, and all my applications' menu bars are gone.  Any notion why, or how to restore them?  It's a bit problematic ... ;)
[21:09] <charlie-tca> try Alt+F2, xfsettingsd
[21:10] <TheSheep> !+1
[21:10] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:10] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:11] <charlie-tca> 2 more weeks... :-)
[21:11] <WRStone> Hm .,, that changed my theme, but the menus are still missing.
[21:12] <charlie-tca> okay, next suggestion, Alt+F2, xfwm4
[21:13] <TheSheep> and then xfce4-panel
[21:13] <TheSheep> !panels
[21:14] <charlie-tca> and, if it is midori, they removed the menu bar
[21:14] <WRStone> Well, I'm doing it in a terminal window rather than Alt-F2.  When I do, it complains that it's already running and I should use "--replace".  When I do, it reloads, but otherwise no effect.  Also, this isn't a problem with the panel -- that's fine.  The issue is that there are no menus in any of my apps (File Tools Help, etc.)
[21:15] <charlie-tca> hm, it doesn't work the same for me in a terminal, for some reason
[21:18] <WRStone> It acts, frankly, like there's something like globalmenu in operation, but it's invisible.
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Was it an upgrade from maverick?
[21:19] <charlie-tca> WRStone: try running     apt-cache policy gnome-panel    in terminal. Tell me if it is installed
[21:19] <WRStone> No, I did a vanilla install from a flash drive.
[21:20] <WRStone> And they didn't disappear until yesterday, about a week after the installation.
[21:20] <TheSheep> WRStone: free space in your /home?
[21:20] <WRStone> charlie-tca, yes, it is installed.
[21:20] <WRStone> TheSheep, no, I've got 79GB available.
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Then unity / gnome took over.
[21:21] <WRStone> Oh, joy.  Ok, I'll dump it.  I friggin' hate Unity and Gnome3 anyway ... it's why I'm running Xubuntu.  ;)
[21:21] <charlie-tca> You have gnome installed, and it took precedence over xfce
[21:22] <WRStone> In the immediate term, is there any way to force precedence back to xfce?
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Not that I know of.
[21:24] <charlie-tca> You should file a bug against Ubuntu before removing it
[21:24] <WRStone> Ok, thanks ... guess I'm in for some fun extracting.  Thanks very much for the assistance.  I'd gone nuts trying to Google the problem.
[21:25] <charlie-tca> try
[21:25] <charlie-tca> !pure-xfce
[21:26] <Sysi> !purexfce
[21:26] <charlie-tca> thanks, Sysi
[21:26] <WRStone> Thanks, ubotto.  :)
[21:29] <WRStone> Aw, frak.  The commands no longer work with Natty.  Still, it'll give me a guide.
[23:13] <wildintellect> am I missing something obvious, where are the screen saver settings
[23:14] <charlie-tca> version of Xubuntu?
[23:15] <wildintellect> 10.04
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver
[23:16] <wildintellect> hmm, wondering if I uninstalled the package
[23:16] <drc> charlie-tca: Congrats to you and all the xubuntu team...11.04b1 looks as solid as it acts (so far :)
[23:17] <wildintellect> does xubuntu use xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver? I want to do a picture folder based screensaver?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> I think it is xscreensaver in 10.04
[23:18] <charlie-tca> drc: thank you, I will pass that on
[23:18] <drc> Seriously, good work.
[23:18] <wildintellect> looks like I uninstalled that opps, thanks for the sanity check
[23:20] <drc> or even without the comma :)