[00:00] and ctrl 1,9, and 0 work but no other numbers? i might have to peek at that code later to see what kind of mess is going on [00:21] sergio__: did you report it? [00:25] sergio__: Ctrl-I is a tab character. [00:25] I don't know what Ctrl-J is. [00:25] i see [00:26] yOmega im submitting now, got sidetracked [00:26] Oh, used to be linefeed. [00:27] funny, i may be retarded but I can't seem to press the printscreen button with the launcher up [00:29] That is correct. [00:29] damn [00:29] (meaning, I can't either) [00:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/759290 [00:29] Ubuntu bug 759290 in unity (Ubuntu) "Control Character input does not work for launcher" [Undecided,New] [00:30] You should file that as a separate bug [00:33] its probably's taking control of screen input, so maybe the fix will bubble those things through. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:03] firefox window doesn't seem to be matched correctly [02:03] hicham: Hmm? [02:05] Here's someone reviewing 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLDMz_e2jQ [02:18] Omega: I get one icon per firefox window on the dash [02:19] Omega: so the firefox window isn't matched correctly, unlike the other apps who have only one icon on the dash, no matter how many windows are open [02:24] Hmm, that's a bamf bug then. [02:27] yeah [02:27] you don't have that issue ? [02:28] Nope [02:29] weird [02:29] either firefox or bamf is patch in ubuntu then [02:29] *patched [02:29] firefox isn't patched in ubuntu, that's for sure [02:29] File a bamf bug. [02:30] ok [02:30] other apps work fine from what I can see [02:30] I am gonna finish building the whole stack then report bugs [02:30] thanks [02:34] alright [03:00] Can anyone tell me how do I change the background on the launcher? I changed the image files I could find, but still have the same black launcer. [03:03] Can anyone tell me how do I change the background on the launcher? I changed the image files I could find, but still have the same black launcer. [03:05] pasjr_: As far as I'm aware it's not (yet) possible. [03:06] Well that really is not cool. [03:06] It may be time to leave Ubuntu [03:09] I expect it will be themeable for natty+1 [03:12] Maybe. It's a rather inoffensive matte black bar; the titlebar and such follow the GTK themes. [03:35] where is the best place to leave feedback on Unity? === soreau_ is now known as soreau === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:59] nerochiaro: pong, but I'm going to be out in a few minutes [07:44] good morning [07:46] RAOF: hey, any hint on the X freeze since yesterday? [07:46] Ggggrrrargh? [07:47] I've got some small testcases which *don't* reproduce the problem :/ [07:47] urgh :/ [07:47] Also, compiz for some reason seems to segfault when run under X trace. [07:48] So I'm going to attach gdb to compiz and X and watch their communication *that* way. [07:48] That's a bit more hairy, though. [07:48] hum, sounds fun! :) [07:49] It's like three *whole* barells of monkeys! [07:49] Thrown, using a trebuchet, across a *cravasse of fire* into a tarpit of weasels! [07:50] heh, that sentence can be directly attribute to Monkey Island I won't be surprised :) [08:01] v [08:01] good morning [08:03] RAOF: you fixed bug #758307 [08:03] Launchpad bug 758307 in unity (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed on initial load of Java Citrix Client" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758307 [08:03] salut oSoMoN [08:04] didrocks: No, that was smspillaz|z, wasn't it? [08:04] oh assignee: nobody → Chris Halse Rogers (raof) [08:05] but yeah, it's Rick :) [08:05] :) [08:05] greetings everybody [08:06] salut didrocks, hey MacSlow [08:06] smspillaz|z: ^^ [08:06] Guten Morgen MacSlow [08:06] salut didrocks [08:06] hey oSoMoN, smspillaz|z [08:16] hello [08:16] I just upgraded my natty after a long time and it crashed during boot. [08:16] It said unable to mount / [08:17] Wait or skip mount [08:32] Anyone? [08:52] Anyone? [08:58] RAOF: maybe bug #750775 can help you triggering the issue? [08:58] Launchpad bug 750775 in unity (Ubuntu) "Keynav in launcher unfocuses active window, doesn't return to it when finished" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750775 [08:59] elricl: hi, what's up? [08:59] dbarth: as i said after the upgrade natty wont boot === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [09:00] dbarth: during the ubuntu plymouth screen it says, cant boot / [09:03] njpatel: a little help? After upgrade natty stops at plymouth screen,says it cant mount / and goes to a maintainence shell [09:04] elricl, :/ I can't really help with that dude, I think you need to try #ubuntu-desktop [09:04] njpatel: ok. thanx [09:19] elricl: Actually, #ubuntu+1 would be a better channel for your query. [09:57] any unity 2d devs in here [09:58] ? [09:59] * jbache would be happy to help out with gtk2 theming === API is now known as Guest67178 === Guest67178 is now known as apinheiro [10:03] seb128: ping, it appears Apport isn't picking up crash reports when Unity/Compiz crashes [10:04] cdbs, hi, how do we receive all those crash bugs on launchpad then? [10:05] seb128: I myself am confused [10:05] seb128: but for some reason the crash files aren't coming up there [10:05] where is "there"? [10:05] seb128: Not just me, many others are also experiencing similar things [10:05] seb128: /var/crash [10:05] you are sure it's crashing? [10:05] do you get anything in that dir? [10:05] seb128: yeah, segfault [10:06] seb128: nope [10:06] is apport enabled? [10:06] seb128: yeah [10:06] can does status apport says? [10:06] apport start/running [10:06] seb128: ^ [10:06] can you check apport.log? [10:07] or pastebin it [10:07] seb128: empty [10:07] then apport.log.1 [10:08] morning didrocks [10:08] seb128: okay, that makes sense: [10:08] seb128: ERROR: apport (pid 3714) Tue Apr 12 15:54:51 2011: this executable already crashed 2 times, ignoring [10:09] Old compiz crash files are lying there alredy [10:09] *already [10:09] cdbs, right, you need to clean the old crashes [10:09] sudo rm -r /var/crash [10:09] oops, wrong window [10:10] seb128: thanks for the info then [10:10] I thought it should overwrite the old crashes [10:10] cdbs, it's doing that to avoid spamming you with apport dialogs if a service keeps crashing and restarting for example [10:10] hey hicham [10:10] seb128: AFAIK it used to do that in the Maverick cycle [10:10] didrocks: unity finally works here [10:10] dbarth: ^ problem solution found [10:10] cdbs, no, it has a counter in the .crash [10:10] hicham: nice! what was the cause of the touch crash? [10:10] cdbs, it clean those after a delay [10:11] hmm [10:12] didrocks: it seems that it was supposing that xi2.1 support was there, while it itsn't [10:12] hicham: oh ok ;) [10:12] didrocks: removing the crashing code from utouch-geis made it work [10:12] cool :) [10:12] didrocks: now I am trying to build the indicators [10:13] hicham: good luck! that's another big piece :) [10:15] didrocks: as a side note, vala bindings generation fails when using gtk2 [10:15] didrocks: the work fine for gtk3 bindings [10:16] hicham: yeah, we got a lot of headache with this since maverick, hence the fact we export them ourself [10:24] didrocks: so to install an indicator, I just have to build/install it ? no other step needed ? [10:25] hicham: we have patches for some applications to get the indicator integration [10:25] hicham: talk to kenvandine when he's back, he's in charge of the integration of them [10:26] didrocks: thanks [10:42] good morning [10:43] i asked few days ago how to change the color of small blue triangle when apps requires attention (im color-blind blue is un-visible for me) [10:52] are there current plans for using gtk3 with unity? [10:52] zniavre: it's currently hardcoded though :/ would you mind opening a bug and post it there? We can ask design to have a look at how it should be handled (it should impact the indicator messaging menu color as well) [11:02] didrocks: the search function doesn't work yet ? ( in what replace traditional gnome menu ) [11:02] hicham: do you have unity-place-applications and unity-place-files installed? [11:02] didrocks: not yet [11:03] you need them for the search [11:10] didrocks: thanks, how do you start the unity session ? I created two files in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions and /usr/share/xsessions [11:10] didrocks: but I still don't see how to default to unity (example, for building a live cd ) [11:12] hicham: we are using compiz profiles for that [11:12] hicham: look in an ubuntu box at /etc/compizconfig/ [11:12] didrocks: is there a package for that ? [11:12] hicham: and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session [11:13] hicham: it's in the ubuntu compiz package [11:13] didrocks: and the session/desktop files are in compiz package too? [11:13] hicham: we basically activate a gconf profile which sets the unityshell plugin by default [11:14] hicham: the sessions are in gnome-session [11:16] didrocks: so compiz should be using the gconf backend ? [11:16] didrocks: instead of the default ccp one [11:16] hicham: instead of init you mean [11:16] (ccp load init or gconf) [11:17] hicham: just create a compiz profile init or gconf with unityshell by default in it [11:17] hicham: we choosed gconf for natty [11:20] didrocks, i already changed the messaging menu icons i ll fill report this afternoon thank you [11:21] zniavre: thanks to you :) [11:22] didrocks: which package provides unity.pc file ? [11:23] hicham: libunity, it's a binding that application can implement to interact with the launcher [11:23] like setting progress bar, icon urgency [11:23] didrocks: thanks, I am sorry if I am asking too much questions [11:24] hicham: no worry, I may not be so responsive every time though :-) [11:32] jbache: hi; you should ping Kaleo or agateau for example (well, they're pinged now ;) [11:33] dbarth: Thanks. I just pinged kaleo === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:46] dbarth: jbache: what is the question? [11:48] agateau: I am wondering about theming integration. Since I already do something similar with qml and gtk. [11:49] agateau: also plans with regards to scenegraph etc. You already support translucency so why no drop shadows? [11:50] agateau: some context http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/10/qml-components-for-desktop/ [11:50] agateau: also if you need any specific things from qt qt the moment === bitshifternz__ is now known as bitshifternz [11:53] jbache: primary target for unity-2d was machine without much gfx power so we did not spend too much time on adding visual effects [11:54] jbache: about needing something from qt, yes we need review for this: [11:54] jbache: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/ApplicationMenu [11:54] oups [11:54] wrong url :) [11:54] agateau: hehe [11:54] jbache: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/916/ [11:55] agateau: I'll see what I can do [11:56] agateau: are there any valid technical reason why you couldnt essentially use qml for unity itself? [11:58] jbache: unity-3d you mean? [12:01] agateau: yes [12:01] agateau: it seems rather simple to extend it to support those graphical effects [12:02] jbache: i'd let dbarth answer this one [12:05] * jbache senses it is not the first time the question came up [12:55] ping om26er ... i've updated bug 696427 because I still get it [12:55] Launchpad bug 696427 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity visual glitches and freeze (libgl1-dri-mesa-experimental)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696427 === jackneill is now known as Jackneill [13:06] didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/759719 (sorry for english ) [13:06] Ubuntu bug 759719 in unity "(request)small blue triangle un-visible for colour-blind people" [Undecided,New] [13:06] didrocks: I installed unity-places-applications and now I can find my applications :) [13:08] hicham: nice :) [13:08] zniavre: I'm adding some design task so that designers can have a look [13:08] thank you [13:09] zniavre: no worry on the english btw, it's better than mine :) [13:14] :o) [13:18] Hello, how can I add software categories in Unity's application browser ? I've got extra-xdg-menus installed , yet I don't see the Electronics category for example [13:24] didrocks: it would have been nice to have mono as optional build dep, instead of hard-depending on it :( [13:25] hicham: mono is a theme name [13:26] didrocks: no, i mean mono (.Net clone) [13:26] hicham: where is it a dep? [13:27] didrocks: libappindicator for example ( it is only a build dep, not a runtime dep) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:27] hicham: well, indicator is for kenvandine and tedg [13:28] I think it's for generating some mono bindings [13:29] didrocks: what part do you develop ? [13:29] hicham: unity itself [13:30] didrocks: thanks for the great job ! [13:30] yw, all the team does :) [13:31] I hope unity will get into fedora sometime [13:31] there is no real blocker for now [13:32] I am surprised by how big it is [13:32] I have installed 12 packages now for basic functionality [13:34] hicham: yeah, it's very modular === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|pharmacy [15:10] didrocks: how can I load newly installed indicators without restarting unity ? [15:10] hicham: you can't right now unfortunately [15:15] am I asking in the right place ? [15:17] hello [15:18] I liked the interface naty [15:18] Ubuntu how can I support ? [15:19] Ubuntu how can I support ? [15:36] RAOF, ping? [15:37] ah, man, RAOF's in australia, isn't he? [16:03] didrocks: where ubuntu_gtk_widget_set_has_grab is defined ? [16:08] hicham: it's a gtk patch (backported from gtk3.0) === zyga-afk is now known as zyga === MacSlow|pharmacy is now known as MacSlow [16:28] didrocks: bad news, indicator-datetime won't work in fedora === clarita_ is now known as clarita === daker is now known as daker_ [18:47] indicator-datetime works [18:47] but I can't seem to bet the menu on the panel [18:52] hi all [18:53] I'm new to unity hacking, and i'm looking on how to obtain the icon height in the launcher? === clarita_ is now known as clarita [19:26] anyone from the design team around? [19:29] well, when an application is asking for attention. in the dash, the arrow turns blue showing that it needs attention. [19:30] that is way too subtle in some cases. [19:30] when im working, I usually don't wear my glasses and I have a 1920x1080 screen on a 15" laptop. this makes it almost impossible to tell which application is asking for attention [19:31] instead, the app icon in the launcher should pulsate or do some sort of animation to make it more distinguishable [19:33] NateW: it does this for 1-2 seconds, then it turns blue after that. [19:33] can someone help me out...I made a custom launcher and changed icon image...but unity only shows default custom launcher image :( [19:34] what turns blue? and also, the launcher is usually hidden because of a maximized window [19:35] rhaines: this is what it is like for me. launcher is hidden, a blue triangle appears at the top left, i reveal the launcher and then have to search for what application is asking for attention [19:36] NateW: the little arrow turns blue. When the launcher is hidden, the icon still slides out and shakes. [19:36] you shouldn't have to look for the application [19:36] it doesnt slide out here [19:36] The easiest way to demonstrate this is to have Firefox in the background, then click on a hyperlink in another window. [19:37] yes, I agree the blue arrow & the blue triangle are too small & subtle [19:37] nhaines: that works.. but as an example, i was using firefox, and when you sent a message through irc here, empathy didnt pop out and shake [19:38] I wouldn't mind seeing a background color pulse similar to the fade-in and -out when you launch an app. [19:38] thats what i'd like [19:38] NateW: that is by design in Empathy, I believe... the expected user behavior is to use the Messaging Menu. [19:39] the messaging icon didnt turn blue either [19:39] I think applications can denote "notification" and "urgent notification" seperately. [19:39] but back to the point i was originally bringing up.. there should be a bigger effect in the launcher [19:39] such as the app backlight pulsing [19:40] NateW: file a bug and post it here. I'll chime in and confirm it. [19:40] sure. [19:45] Here is the bug. Hopefully it's straight forward enough: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/760103 [19:45] Ubuntu bug 760103 in unity "Attention notification in the Unity launcher is too subtle" [Undecided,New] [19:50] nhaines: ^^ [19:54] NateW: thanks! [19:56] NateW: now we'll see what happens. [19:57] nhaines: hopefully this gets fixed. it would make my life easier [19:59] NateW: I hear you. I'm campaigning for 740515 myself. [19:59] Err, that's bug 740515. [19:59] Launchpad bug 740515 in unity (Ubuntu) "Window controls in Unity panel do not extend to top of display" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740515 [20:02] that would also be nice [20:03] but i usually find myself using alt+f4 for exiting, and using the grid plugin for maximizing and i dont minimize [20:03] I usually do Alt-Space, x to maxmize/unmaximize. [20:04] But if I'm mousing around by the Application Menua anyway, it'd be nice. [20:25] Guys bug 750464 has been proposed for merging with bug 486154, but they don't seem the same to me [20:25] Launchpad bug 750464 in unity (Ubuntu) "beep sound is muted under unity (dup-of: 486154)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750464 [20:25] Launchpad bug 486154 in metacity (Ubuntu) "System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486154 [20:25] Launchpad bug 486154 in metacity (Ubuntu) "System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486154 [20:26] Unity by design doesn't handle xkb bell event .. while the old bug was about metacity having problems emitting a beep sound [20:38] is there a way to minimize pulse time on unity launcher? [20:41] I have dragged a custom launcher on unity launcher...once i click it, it keep on pulsating for 5 seconds so I cannot do two clicks in succession. How to solce this? [23:48] aquarius: Correct! 00:36 is not a good time to get me :) [23:59] what would the equivelant of "gnome-session-save --logout" be for unity?