[00:00] <sergio__> and ctrl 1,9, and 0 work but no other numbers? i might have to peek at that code later to see what kind of mess is going on
[00:21] <Omega> sergio__: did you report it?
[00:25] <nhaines> sergio__: Ctrl-I is a tab character.
[00:25] <nhaines> I don't know what Ctrl-J is.
[00:25] <sergio__> i see
[00:26] <sergio__> yOmega im submitting now, got sidetracked
[00:26] <nhaines> Oh, used to be linefeed.
[00:27] <sergio__> funny, i may be retarded but I can't seem to press the printscreen button with the launcher up
[00:29] <Omega> That is correct.
[00:29] <sergio__> damn
[00:29] <Omega> (meaning, I can't either)
[00:29] <sergio__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/759290
[00:30] <Omega> You should file that as a separate bug
[00:33] <sergio__> its probably's taking control of screen input, so maybe the fix will bubble those things through.
[01:03] <hicham> firefox window doesn't seem to be matched correctly
[02:03] <Omega> hicham: Hmm?
[02:05] <Omega> Here's someone reviewing 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLDMz_e2jQ
[02:18] <hicham> Omega: I get one icon per firefox window on the dash
[02:19] <hicham> Omega: so the firefox window isn't matched correctly, unlike the other apps who have only one icon on the dash, no matter how many windows are open
[02:24] <Omega> Hmm, that's a bamf bug then.
[02:27] <hicham> yeah
[02:27] <hicham> you don't have that issue ?
[02:28] <Omega> Nope
[02:29] <hicham> weird
[02:29] <hicham> either firefox or bamf is patch in ubuntu then
[02:29] <hicham> *patched
[02:29] <Omega> firefox isn't patched in ubuntu, that's for sure
[02:29] <Omega> File a bamf bug.
[02:30] <hicham> ok
[02:30] <hicham> other apps work fine from what I can see
[02:30] <hicham> I am gonna finish building the whole stack then report bugs
[02:30] <hicham> thanks
[02:34] <Omega> alright
[03:00] <PASJR> Can anyone tell me how do I change the background on the launcher?  I changed the image files I could find, but still have the same black launcer.
[03:03] <pasjr_> Can anyone tell me how do I change the background on the launcher?  I changed the image files I could find, but still have the same black launcer.
[03:05] <RAOF> pasjr_: As far as I'm aware it's not (yet) possible.
[03:06] <pasjr_> Well that really is not cool.
[03:06] <pasjr_> It may be time to leave Ubuntu
[03:09] <jbicha> I expect it will be themeable for natty+1
[03:12] <RAOF> Maybe.  It's a rather inoffensive matte black bar; the titlebar and such follow the GTK themes.
[03:35] <floorian> where is the best place to leave feedback on Unity?
[06:59] <smspillaz|z> nerochiaro: pong, but I'm going to be out in a few minutes
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning
[07:46] <didrocks> RAOF: hey, any hint on the X freeze since yesterday?
[07:46] <RAOF> Ggggrrrargh?
[07:47] <RAOF> I've got some small testcases which *don't* reproduce the problem :/
[07:47] <didrocks> urgh :/
[07:47] <RAOF> Also, compiz for some reason seems to segfault when run under X trace.
[07:48] <RAOF> So I'm going to attach gdb to compiz and X and watch their communication *that* way.
[07:48] <RAOF> That's a bit more hairy, though.
[07:48] <didrocks> hum, sounds fun! :)
[07:49] <RAOF> It's like three *whole* barells of monkeys!
[07:49] <RAOF> Thrown, using a trebuchet, across a *cravasse of fire* into a tarpit of weasels!
[07:50] <didrocks> heh, that sentence can be directly attribute to Monkey Island I won't be surprised :)
[08:01] <oSoMoN> v
[08:01] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:03] <didrocks> RAOF: you fixed bug #758307
[08:03] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:04] <RAOF> didrocks: No, that was smspillaz|z, wasn't it?
[08:04] <didrocks> oh assignee: nobody → Chris Halse Rogers (raof)
[08:05] <didrocks> but yeah, it's Rick :)
[08:05] <RAOF> :)
[08:05] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[08:06] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey MacSlow
[08:06] <didrocks> smspillaz|z: ^^
[08:06] <didrocks> Guten Morgen MacSlow
[08:06] <MacSlow> salut didrocks
[08:06] <MacSlow> hey oSoMoN, smspillaz|z
[08:16] <elricl> hello
[08:16] <elricl> I just upgraded my natty after a long time and it crashed during boot.
[08:16] <elricl> It said unable to mount /
[08:17] <elricl> Wait or skip mount
[08:32] <elricl> Anyone?
[08:52] <elricl> Anyone?
[08:58] <didrocks> RAOF: maybe bug #750775 can help you triggering the issue?
[08:59] <dbarth> elricl: hi, what's up?
[08:59] <elricl> dbarth: as i said after the upgrade natty wont boot
[09:00] <elricl> dbarth: during the ubuntu plymouth screen it says, cant boot /
[09:03] <elricl> njpatel: a little help? After upgrade natty stops at plymouth screen,says it cant mount / and goes to a maintainence shell
[09:04] <njpatel> elricl, :/ I can't really help with that dude, I think you need to try #ubuntu-desktop
[09:04] <elricl> njpatel: ok. thanx
[09:19] <TheMuso> elricl: Actually, #ubuntu+1 would be a better channel for your query.
[09:57] <jbache> any unity 2d devs in here
[09:58] <jbache> ?
[09:59]  * jbache would be happy to help out with gtk2 theming
[10:03] <cdbs> seb128: ping, it appears Apport isn't picking up crash reports when Unity/Compiz crashes
[10:04] <seb128> cdbs, hi, how do we receive all those crash bugs on launchpad then?
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: I myself am confused
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: but for some reason the crash files aren't coming up there
[10:05] <seb128> where is "there"?
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: Not just me, many others are also experiencing similar things
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: /var/crash
[10:05] <seb128> you are sure it's crashing?
[10:05] <seb128> do you get anything in that dir?
[10:05] <cdbs> seb128: yeah, segfault
[10:06] <cdbs> seb128: nope
[10:06] <seb128> is apport enabled?
[10:06] <cdbs> seb128: yeah
[10:06] <seb128> can does status apport says?
[10:06] <cdbs> apport start/running
[10:06] <cdbs> seb128: ^
[10:06] <seb128> can you check apport.log?
[10:07] <seb128> or pastebin it
[10:07] <cdbs> seb128: empty
[10:07] <seb128> then apport.log.1
[10:08] <hicham> morning didrocks
[10:08] <cdbs> seb128: okay, that makes sense:
[10:08] <cdbs> seb128: ERROR: apport (pid 3714) Tue Apr 12 15:54:51 2011: this executable already crashed 2 times, ignoring
[10:09] <cdbs> Old compiz crash files are lying there alredy
[10:09] <cdbs> *already
[10:09] <seb128> cdbs, right, you need to clean the old crashes
[10:09] <cdbs> sudo rm -r /var/crash
[10:09] <cdbs> oops, wrong window
[10:10] <cdbs> seb128: thanks for the info then
[10:10] <cdbs> I thought it should overwrite the old crashes
[10:10] <seb128> cdbs, it's doing that to avoid spamming you with apport dialogs if a service keeps crashing and restarting for example
[10:10] <didrocks> hey hicham
[10:10] <cdbs> seb128: AFAIK it used to do that in the Maverick cycle
[10:10] <hicham> didrocks: unity finally works here
[10:10] <cdbs> dbarth: ^ problem solution found
[10:10] <seb128> cdbs, no, it has a counter in the .crash
[10:10] <didrocks> hicham: nice! what was the cause of the touch crash?
[10:10] <seb128> cdbs, it clean those after a delay
[10:11] <cdbs> hmm
[10:12] <hicham> didrocks: it seems that it was supposing that xi2.1 support was there, while it itsn't
[10:12] <didrocks> hicham: oh ok ;)
[10:12] <hicham> didrocks: removing the crashing code from utouch-geis made it work
[10:12] <didrocks> cool :)
[10:12] <hicham> didrocks: now I am trying to build the indicators
[10:13] <didrocks> hicham: good luck! that's another big piece :)
[10:15] <hicham> didrocks: as a side note, vala bindings generation fails when using gtk2
[10:15] <hicham> didrocks: the work fine for gtk3 bindings
[10:16] <didrocks> hicham: yeah, we got a lot of headache with this since maverick, hence the fact we export them ourself
[10:24] <hicham> didrocks: so to install an indicator, I just have to build/install it ? no other step needed ?
[10:25] <didrocks> hicham: we have patches for some applications to get the indicator integration
[10:25] <didrocks> hicham: talk to kenvandine when he's back, he's in charge of the integration of them
[10:26] <hicham> didrocks: thanks
[10:42] <zniavre> good morning
[10:43] <zniavre> i asked few days ago how to change the color of small blue triangle when apps requires attention (im color-blind blue is un-visible for me)
[10:52] <jbache> are there current plans for using gtk3 with unity?
[10:52] <didrocks> zniavre: it's currently hardcoded though :/ would you mind opening a bug and post it there? We can ask design to have a look at how it should be handled (it should impact the indicator messaging menu color as well)
[11:02] <hicham> didrocks: the search function doesn't work yet ? ( in what replace traditional gnome menu )
[11:02] <didrocks> hicham: do you have unity-place-applications and unity-place-files installed?
[11:02] <hicham> didrocks: not yet
[11:03] <didrocks> you need them for the search
[11:10] <hicham> didrocks: thanks, how do you start the unity session ? I created two files in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions and /usr/share/xsessions
[11:10] <hicham> didrocks: but I still don't see how to default to unity (example, for building a live cd )
[11:12] <didrocks> hicham: we are using compiz profiles for that
[11:12] <didrocks> hicham: look in an ubuntu box at /etc/compizconfig/
[11:12] <hicham> didrocks: is there a package for that ?
[11:12] <didrocks> hicham: and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session
[11:13] <didrocks> hicham: it's in the ubuntu compiz package
[11:13] <hicham> didrocks: and the session/desktop files are in compiz package too?
[11:13] <didrocks> hicham: we basically activate a gconf profile which sets the unityshell plugin by default
[11:14] <didrocks> hicham: the sessions are in gnome-session
[11:16] <hicham> didrocks: so compiz should be using the gconf backend ?
[11:16] <hicham> didrocks: instead of the default ccp one
[11:16] <didrocks> hicham: instead of init you mean
[11:16] <didrocks> (ccp load init or gconf)
[11:17] <didrocks> hicham: just create a compiz profile init or gconf with unityshell by default in it
[11:17] <didrocks> hicham: we choosed gconf for natty
[11:20] <zniavre> didrocks,  i already changed the messaging menu icons  i ll fill report this afternoon thank you
[11:21] <didrocks> zniavre: thanks to you :)
[11:22] <hicham> didrocks: which package provides unity.pc file ?
[11:23] <didrocks> hicham: libunity, it's a binding that application can implement to interact with the launcher
[11:23] <didrocks> like setting progress bar, icon urgency
[11:23] <hicham> didrocks: thanks, I am sorry if I am asking too much questions
[11:24] <didrocks> hicham: no worry, I may not be so responsive every time though :-)
[11:32] <dbarth> jbache: hi; you should ping Kaleo or agateau for example (well, they're pinged now ;)
[11:33] <jbache> dbarth: Thanks. I just pinged kaleo
[11:46] <agateau> dbarth: jbache: what is the question?
[11:48] <jbache> agateau: I am wondering about theming integration. Since I already do something similar with qml and gtk.
[11:49] <jbache> agateau: also plans with regards to scenegraph etc. You already support translucency so why no drop shadows?
[11:50] <jbache> agateau: some context http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/10/qml-components-for-desktop/
[11:50] <jbache> agateau: also if you need any specific things from qt qt the moment
[11:53] <agateau> jbache: primary target for unity-2d was machine without much gfx power so we did not spend too much time on adding visual effects
[11:54] <agateau> jbache: about needing something from qt, yes we need review for this:
[11:54] <agateau> jbache: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/ApplicationMenu
[11:54] <agateau> oups
[11:54] <agateau> wrong url :)
[11:54] <jbache> agateau: hehe
[11:54] <agateau> jbache: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/916/
[11:55] <jbache> agateau: I'll see what I can do
[11:56] <jbache> agateau: are there any valid technical reason why you couldnt essentially use qml for unity itself?
[11:58] <agateau> jbache: unity-3d you mean?
[12:01] <jbache> agateau: yes
[12:01] <jbache> agateau: it seems rather simple to extend it to support those graphical effects
[12:02] <agateau> jbache: i'd let dbarth answer this one
[12:05]  * jbache senses it is not the first time the question came up
[12:55] <lucazade> ping om26er ... i've updated bug 696427 because I still get it
[13:06] <zniavre> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/759719    (sorry for english )
[13:06] <hicham> didrocks: I installed unity-places-applications and now I can find my applications :)
[13:08] <didrocks> hicham: nice :)
[13:08] <didrocks> zniavre: I'm adding some design task so that designers can have a look
[13:08] <zniavre> thank you
[13:09] <didrocks> zniavre: no worry on the english btw, it's better than mine :)
[13:14] <zniavre> :o)
[13:18] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I add software categories in Unity's application browser ? I've got extra-xdg-menus installed , yet I don't see the Electronics category for example
[13:24] <hicham> didrocks: it would have been nice to have mono as optional build dep, instead of hard-depending on it :(
[13:25] <didrocks> hicham: mono is a theme name
[13:26] <hicham> didrocks: no, i mean mono (.Net clone)
[13:26] <didrocks> hicham: where is it a dep?
[13:27] <hicham> didrocks: libappindicator for example ( it is only a build dep, not a runtime dep)
[13:27] <didrocks> hicham: well, indicator is for kenvandine and tedg
[13:28] <didrocks> I think it's for generating some mono bindings
[13:29] <hicham> didrocks: what part do you develop ?
[13:29] <didrocks> hicham: unity itself
[13:30] <hicham> didrocks: thanks for the great job !
[13:30] <didrocks> yw, all the team does :)
[13:31] <hicham> I hope unity will get into fedora sometime
[13:31] <hicham> there is no real blocker for now
[13:32] <hicham> I am surprised by how big it is
[13:32] <hicham> I have installed 12 packages now for basic functionality
[13:34] <didrocks> hicham: yeah, it's very modular
[15:10] <hicham> didrocks: how can I load newly installed indicators without restarting unity ?
[15:10] <didrocks> hicham: you can't right now unfortunately
[15:15] <AnAnt> am I asking in the right place ?
[15:17] <mirac> hello
[15:18] <mirac> I liked the interface naty
[15:18] <mirac> Ubuntu how can I support  ?
[15:19] <mirac> Ubuntu how can I support  ?
[15:36] <aquarius> RAOF, ping?
[15:37] <aquarius> ah, man, RAOF's in australia, isn't he?
[16:03] <hicham> didrocks: where ubuntu_gtk_widget_set_has_grab is defined ?
[16:08] <didrocks> hicham: it's a gtk patch (backported from gtk3.0)
[16:28] <hicham> didrocks: bad news, indicator-datetime won't work in fedora
[18:47] <hicham> indicator-datetime works
[18:47] <hicham> but I can't seem to bet the menu on the panel
[18:52] <henridv> hi all
[18:53] <henridv> I'm new to unity hacking, and i'm looking on how to obtain the icon height in the launcher?
[19:26] <NateW> anyone from the design team around?
[19:29] <NateW> well, when an application is asking for attention. in the dash, the arrow turns blue showing that it needs attention.
[19:30] <NateW> that is way too subtle in some cases.
[19:30] <NateW> when im working, I usually don't wear my glasses and I have a 1920x1080 screen on a 15" laptop. this makes it almost impossible to tell which application is asking for attention
[19:31] <NateW> instead, the app icon in the launcher should pulsate or do some sort of animation to make it more distinguishable
[19:33] <nhaines> NateW: it does this for 1-2 seconds, then it turns blue after that.
[19:33] <Saamm> can someone help me out...I made a custom launcher and changed icon image...but unity only shows default custom launcher image :(
[19:34] <NateW> what turns blue? and also, the launcher is usually hidden because of a maximized window
[19:35] <NateW> rhaines: this is what it is like for me. launcher is hidden, a blue triangle appears at the top left, i reveal the launcher and then have to search for what application is asking for attention
[19:36] <nhaines> NateW: the little arrow turns blue.  When the launcher is hidden, the icon still slides out and shakes.
[19:36] <NateW> you shouldn't have to look for the application
[19:36] <NateW> it doesnt slide out here
[19:36] <nhaines> The easiest way to demonstrate this is to have Firefox in the background, then click on a hyperlink in another window.
[19:37] <jbicha> yes, I agree the blue arrow & the blue triangle are too small & subtle
[19:37] <NateW> nhaines: that works.. but as an example, i was using firefox, and when you sent a message through irc here, empathy didnt pop out and shake
[19:38] <nhaines> I wouldn't mind seeing a background color pulse similar to the fade-in and -out when you launch an app.
[19:38] <NateW> thats what i'd like
[19:38] <nhaines> NateW: that is by design in Empathy, I believe... the expected user behavior is to use the Messaging Menu.
[19:39] <NateW> the messaging icon didnt turn blue either
[19:39] <nhaines> I think applications can denote "notification" and "urgent notification" seperately.
[19:39] <NateW> but back to the point i was originally bringing up.. there should be a bigger effect in the launcher
[19:39] <NateW> such as the app backlight pulsing
[19:40] <nhaines> NateW: file a bug and post it here.  I'll chime in and confirm it.
[19:40] <NateW> sure.
[19:45] <NateW> Here is the bug. Hopefully it's straight forward enough: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/760103
[19:50] <NateW> nhaines: ^^
[19:54] <nhaines> NateW: thanks!
[19:56] <nhaines> NateW: now we'll see what happens.
[19:57] <NateW> nhaines: hopefully this gets fixed. it would make my life easier
[19:59] <nhaines> NateW: I hear you.  I'm campaigning for 740515 myself.
[19:59] <nhaines> Err, that's bug 740515.
[20:02] <NateW> that would also be nice
[20:03] <NateW> but i usually find myself using alt+f4 for exiting, and using the grid plugin for maximizing and i dont minimize
[20:03] <nhaines> I usually do Alt-Space, x to maxmize/unmaximize.
[20:04] <nhaines> But if I'm mousing around by the Application Menua anyway, it'd be nice.
[20:25] <kim0> Guys bug 750464 has been proposed for merging with bug 486154, but they don't seem the same to me
[20:26] <kim0> Unity by design doesn't handle xkb bell event .. while the old bug was about metacity having problems emitting a beep sound
[20:38] <Saamm> is there a way to minimize pulse time on unity launcher?
[20:41] <Saamm> I have dragged a custom launcher on unity launcher...once i click it, it keep on pulsating for 5 seconds so I cannot do two clicks in succession. How to solce this?
[23:48] <RAOF> aquarius: Correct!  00:36 is not a good time to get me :)
[23:59] <kais58> what would the equivelant of "gnome-session-save --logout" be for unity?