[00:00] <sonja> i want 'root' ?
[00:00] <sonja> or netroot?
[00:00] <sonja> or dpkg
[00:00] <sonja> for my sudo purging
[00:01] <bluefox83> what the heck, since when is pornview a package in ubuntu package center?
[00:01] <IDWMaster> Natty (not nanny) is the code word for Ubuntu 11.04
[00:01] <bluefox83> well the screenshot said nanny
[00:01] <sonja> something on my ubuntu calls itself nanny
[00:02] <sonja> 'ppa-purge: command not found'
[00:02] <torchie> nanny nottwall
[00:03] <bluefox83> seriously considering just going to debian on my laptop...just worried that the packages are going to be super hella old
[00:04] <sonja> ahh need to install that :D
[00:06] <dto> ello. ive set up my gnome-pilot-conduits for File, Backup etc, but I can't seem to find the option for synchronizing my calendar with Evolution. the actual hotsync works, it just doesn't do anything for the Evolution calendar. I'm on ubuntu 10.10
[00:06] <arand> bluefox83: Well, does old packages really hurt though? ;)
[00:06] <bluefox83> well since i am running it on a laptop, yeah...because if they are too old my hardware wont work
[00:07] <fatino> Is it possible to overclock nvidia on 11.04? There is no xorg.conf. Where should I put Coolbits? Generating xorg.conf doesnt work. It doesnt see it
[00:09] <bluefox83> ok, now i'm wondering why google chrome isn't in the repo, AND why the heck wont the software center let me install it when i try to download from the website
[00:10] <BUGabundo> bluefox83: cause chrome only has binairies?
[00:10] <BUGabundo> try chromium
[00:10] <fatino> Google chrome is closed source AFAIK
[00:10] <BUGabundo> try chromium-browser
[00:10] <BUGabundo> fatino: no. its just binaries
[00:10] <BUGabundo> source is all in chromium
[00:10] <Daekdroom> Chrome is chromium with additional binaries.
[00:10] <fatino> Yea I know
[00:10] <Daekdroom> Like H.264 support and all that, I believe.
[00:10] <meganerd> bluefox83: there is a ton of work to get Debian working on a laptop.  It made me appretiate Ubuntu again.
[00:11] <BUGabundo> Daekdroom: nope
[00:11] <BUGabundo> we have that too
[00:11] <fatino> This is what I meant :)
[00:11] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, really?
[00:11] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[00:11] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:11] <fatino> Did someone oced nvidia?
[00:11] <Daekdroom> chromium-codecs or something
[00:20] <sonja> Daekdroom:  thank you for rescuing me
[00:20] <sonja> it worked
[00:21] <Daekdroom> No problem
[00:22] <Omega> BUGabundo: Please point me to the PDF viewer source code.
[00:23] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-mozillatea
[00:24] <neeraj> What is the best way to switch from Lucid to natty?
[00:25] <Omega> BUGabundo: There is no one in that channel.
[00:25] <bluefox83> neeraj: from personal experience...i would say a full fresh installation...but it CAN be done from an upgrade (thoughi personally do not recommend it)
[00:25] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:25] <rww> neeraj: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[00:26] <bluefox83> ok...how the heck do i turn on desktop effects in natty?
[00:26] <neeraj> bluefox83, I am also confused should I run release-upgrade -d or download fresh iso
[00:26] <bluefox83> neeraj: that's going to have to be a personal choice...i can't decide for you
[00:27] <neeraj> Just wanted to confirm, if  I downloaded daily build of natty then will I get complete step by step gui as we get in maverick at present?
[00:27] <neeraj> *download
[00:28] <rww> neeraj: for installation, you mean?
[00:28] <neeraj> rww, yes
[00:28] <rww> neeraj: yes, if you download a Desktop daily build
[00:28] <rww> if memory serves, they have daily-live in the URL somewhere
[00:28] <Pici> !daily
[00:29] <rww> there we go :)
[00:29]  * Pici wanders in and out
[00:29] <neeraj> Thanks all :). Downloading it
[00:39] <araujo> hello guys, how good is Natty working at the moment?
[00:40] <aliendude5300> Ok, I can't understand how _anyone_ can use the new version of Ubunut
[00:40] <aliendude5300> it's so confusing, and I can't even get right clicking to work :(
[00:40] <aliendude5300> also, no menu bars?
[00:40] <aliendude5300> what is this, mac os x?
[00:41] <Omega> Do you have something you need help with?
[00:41] <aliendude5300> well for starters, I would really be able to right click
[00:41] <aliendude5300> how can I change it so that I can
[00:42] <Omega> Press the rightmost button on your mouse to achieve the desired action.
[00:42] <aliendude5300> I think my trackpad settings are completely broken :/
[00:43] <Omega> OK, open the dash and search for Mouse.
[00:43] <aliendude5300> can't find moues settings, was it removed since the GNOME release?
[00:43] <aliendude5300> ah, you have to _search_
[00:43] <aliendude5300> was using the "System" drop-down
[00:44] <Omega> You could use "System settings" too.
[00:44] <Omega> I don't really know what you did.
[00:45] <aliendude5300> Ok, I still can't get right clicking to work, my laptop is an HP ProBook 4520s. Since it's fairly new, I'd expect this to just _work_
[00:45] <araujo> aliendude5300, this new version breaks too many things for you?, what kind of system do you have?
[00:45] <aliendude5300> ^^
[00:45] <araujo> I see....
[00:46] <aliendude5300> My main system is a desktop, but I decided to test this out on my laptop instead, as it's just a beta release
[00:46] <aliendude5300> I wonder if it's related to the hardware in my system
[00:46] <aliendude5300> Everything works perfectly for me on my desktop
[00:47] <aliendude5300> apparently I'm not the only one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1726450
[00:48] <araujo> anyone using Natty in a T410 ?
[00:48] <bluefox83> nope
[00:48] <bluefox83> man doing a sudo apt-get upgrade from a fresh natty install...hope to hell i don't fubar my sys
[00:49] <bluefox83> it's installing like 200 packages
[00:49] <Jerub> araujo: um, X200, but there are T410s in the office
[00:49] <araujo> Jerub, and how it goes? , nothing badly breaks???
[00:49] <Jerub> araujo: um, do you know what wireless chip you have? is it the realtek or the intel?
[00:50] <bluefox83> dang, how many times do i need to uninstall firefox D:
[00:50] <araujo> Jerub, the Intel one
[00:51] <Jerub> araujo: okay, after you boot the new kernel, there's a good chance your wireless will drop out when you use it.
[00:51] <araujo> mmm ....
[00:51] <Jerub> bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/630748 workaround has been posted (diable 802.11n support), and please, if you experience the problem, post something to the bug report.
[00:52] <araujo> Jerub, ok, I check, thanks ....
[00:52] <Jerub> it's been marked as 'fix-released' but it's still an active problem for me and i'm trying to poke the right people into getting it re-opened, but it's all falling on deaf ears.
[00:52] <araujo> though I am still considering if updating or not....
[00:53] <Jerub> apart from that it works great :)
[00:53] <araujo> Jerub, I hit this bug with maverick it seems => https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/524281
[00:53] <aliendude5300> here's the lshw output from my system if it helps: http://pastebay.com/120299
[00:53] <araujo> and seems the solution is to update to natty
[00:54] <BUGabundo>  nn
[00:56] <aliendude5300> I'm going to see if I can right click if I plug in an HP wireless mouse, or if it's the trackpad itself (which works perfectly in windows, btw)
[00:56] <delac> aliendude5300: just checking basic things: you have enabled touchpad mouseclicks on the mouse preferences?
[01:00] <aliendude5300> delac: yes
[01:01] <aliendude5300> ok, so I can right click with my wireless mouse just fine, but I'd really like to get the trackpad working
[01:01] <delac> aliendude5300: left click works? what about middle click (with three fingers)?
[01:01] <katsrc> hey, doing an upgrade to natty and the upgrade is stuck at "Configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer" window trying to define a proxy...
[01:02] <katsrc> is there a way to skip it and resume the upgrade?
[01:03] <aliendude5300> delac: I don't believe the trackpad I have supports multi-touch
[01:04] <delac> aliendude5300: most of them do not, but if it is synaptics touchpad, then the drivers can emulate multi touch. like on my acer netbook
[01:04] <delac> aliendude5300: in other words: it pobably works on your laptop too
[01:04] <delac> probably*
[01:05] <aliendude5300> delac: I'm not sure what trackpad I have. here's my lshw output: http://pastebay.com/120299
[01:06] <delac> aliendude5300: mind giving "xinput list"?
[01:07] <aliendude5300> gimme a sec...
[01:08] <aliendude5300> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=188877&stc=1&d=1302653247 (xinput list)
[01:09] <delac> aliendude5300: link doesnt seem to work
[01:09] <aliendude5300> here's it on pastebay http://pastebay.com/120300
[01:10] <delac> aliendude5300: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad. So it should support multi touch. Like two fingers for right click and three for middle. Also two finger scrolling
[01:11] <aliendude5300> hmm, well those gestures don't work. They did work on my eee pc, but I can't use that right now (charging is broken)
[01:14] <delac> aliendude5300: so what works and what doesn't? pointer moves? can you left click? with either the pad or the buttons?
[01:15] <aliendude5300> pointer moves, can left click, dragging often results in a weird behavior where the mouse (and the window) suddenly moves into the bottom left corner, scrolling works.
[01:16]  * araujo decided to update to natty
[01:17] <aliendude5300> I'd wait, the new interface is pretty hard to get used to, and there are quite a few bugs (at least for me)
[01:17] <aliendude5300> also, is there a way to prevent the window list or whatever from auto-hiding
[01:17] <aliendude5300> really annoying imo
[01:18] <delac> aliendude5300: you have compiz-config-setting-manager installed?
[01:19] <aliendude5300> not that I know of
[01:19] <delac> aliendude5300: and I assume you ment the Launcher on the left?
[01:19] <aliendude5300> yes
[01:19] <delac> aliendude5300: do you know how to use gconf-editor?
[01:20] <aliendude5300> no, but I can learn
[01:20] <delac> aliendude5300: I recommend you install compiz-config-setting-manager
[01:20] <torchie> test
[01:23] <aliendude5300_> I guess I can't complain since I'm on Ubuntu 11.04 beta, but my system just completely locked up
[01:23] <aliendude5300_> and by that I mean even alt+sysrq+b wouldn't work
[01:23] <aliendude5300_> anyways, I'm back
[01:24] <delac> aliendude5300_: well, that is one good lockup
[01:24] <delac> aliendude5300_: but yes, this beta seems to lock up time to time
[01:24] <aliendude5300_> yeah, it happened when I hit the wifi toggle button
[01:24] <aliendude5300_> not going to make that mistake again :.
[01:24] <delac> aliendude5300_: ah, bad drivers
[01:25] <Pr070cal> hi anyone know how to configure gufw to deny in+out and allow out on 80? i get no internet
[01:25] <aliendude5300_> blame broadcom :/ no good open-source drivers for my card
[01:26] <delac> aliendude5300_: hmm, for me the hardware switch seems to work fine. And I use broadcom drivers too :)
[01:27] <delac> aliendude5300_: are you installing the ccsm, or do you want to look the gconf-editor?
[01:27] <aliendude5300_> hmm I don't know then, but I'd rather not have my system freeze up like that again
[01:27] <aliendude5300_> ccsm package wasn't found
[01:27] <delac> aliendude5300_: its named compiz-config-settings-manager
[01:27] <araujo> delac, you get your system locked up from time to time?
[01:28] <delac> araujo: sometimes, mostly on boot
[01:28] <aliendude5300_> I have ccsm on my desktop, although I thought that was primarily for desktop aesthetics, but I'll try it
[01:28] <delac> aliendude5300_: huh?
[01:28] <araujo> delac, what kind of system do you have?, and also ... how do you fix it?
[01:29] <aliendude5300_> ccsm is mainly for desktop effects like fire and rain, am I wrong?
[01:29] <aliendude5300_> also, still not finding the package for some reason... is it in the natty repos?
[01:29] <aliendude5300_> "E: Unable to locate package compiz-config-settings-manager"
[01:30] <Daekdroom> aliendude5300_, try compizconfig-settingsmanager
[01:30] <delac> aliendude5300_: yes, it's the compiz settings manager, and there are options for rain and fire too
[01:30] <Daekdroom> !info compizconfig-settingsmanager
[01:30] <Daekdroom> Hm
[01:30] <aliendude5300_> !info compiz-config-settings-manager
[01:30] <Daekdroom> !info compizconfig-settingmanager
[01:31] <aliendude5300_> !info compiz-config-setting-manager
[01:31] <aliendude5300_> hrmm
[01:31] <robin0800> aliendude5300_, compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:31] <delac> yes, thats it
[01:31] <Daekdroom> Who came up with that package name..
[01:31] <delac> :)
[01:31] <aliendude5300_> robin0800: that works, thank you
[01:32] <aliendude5300_> Daekdroom: I know right? I suggest adding a shortcut package name "ccsm"
[01:32] <aliendude5300_> short and simple :)
[01:33] <delac> araujo: using natty on my acer d250 netbook. And mostly restart the computer with alt+sysrq+b
[01:33] <aliendude5300_> delac: I have ccsm installed, now what?
[01:33] <robin0800> aliendude5300_, then you need the desktop section an the choose the unity plug in
[01:33] <delac> find the unity plugin
[01:33] <araujo> delac, I see....
[01:34] <aliendude5300_> delac: thanks, figured it out
[01:35] <aliendude5300_> now then, right clicking is still broken on my trackpad
[01:35] <aliendude5300_> I don't think anyone here knows how to fix that :(
[01:36] <delac> aliendude5300_: might be so. it's pretty odd that only one button is not working.
[01:36] <aliendude5300_> I'm not the only one. I managed to find a forum post with someone with the exact same laptop with the same problem.
[01:37] <aliendude5300_> having to plug in a wireless mouse to right click shouldn't be necessary
[01:37] <aliendude5300_> also, why doesn't webgl work in the firefox 4 installed in 11.04?
[01:38] <aliendude5300_> here's the thread with the right click problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10670060#post10670060
[01:40] <delac> aliendude5300_: maybe you should file a bug too.
[01:40] <aliendude5300_> delac: good idea, I'll do that now
[01:40] <aliendude5300_> what should I include in the report?
[01:42] <delac> aliendude5300_: there was one guy (cant remember nick) who seemed to know about input devices quite a bit. Maybe you should hang around and query time to time. He might spot you and be able to help.
[01:44] <Cort> hi, is there any way to autohide the top panel?
[01:44] <aliendude5300_> won't let me file a bug without a package name
[01:44] <gavdari1> I was playing with compiz on unity and suddenly ever‌ything went black
[01:44] <aliendude5300_> not sure what package would be at fault
[01:45] <gavdari1> I had to restart, but now I'm stuck with a pidgin without controls (close, minimize etc. buttons) and console mode, nothing else works
[01:45] <gavdari1> any idea?
[01:45] <CantWinn> I was thinking on installing WINE on Natty for some games. Which version might be better suited? 1.2.2 or 1.3.12?
[01:45] <delac> aliendude5300_: I was thinking the same thing and can't really say what would be appropriate one
[01:45] <aliendude5300_> hal?
[01:46] <delac> aliendude5300_: not sure, could be.
[01:46] <aliendude5300_> when in doubt, report it as a bug in "linux"
[01:47] <delac> aliendude5300_: well yes, someone who knows about things will then set the correct package
[01:51] <gavdari>  I was playing with compiz on natty when suddenly everything went black, so I restarted, now I'm stuck with a pidgin and nothing else, no panel, no launcher, no close or minimize button, nothing at all. Is there anything I can do? c'mon guys help me out here.
[01:53] <CantWinn> Another question I have is to do with the application launcher, how do you launch more than 2 windows? Ex. Firefox has a window open and want another, if I click on it it doesn't open another window
[01:55] <delac> CantWinn: middle click?
[01:55] <CantWinn> delac: thanks
[01:56] <delac> aliendude5300_: I must be going now. Sorry I couldn't help more. Good luck with the touchpad.
[01:58] <CantWinn> Also, I think the search feature is great. But if I can't remember what I'm looking for and want an old fashion menu to look through where is it?
[02:28] <ubuntuguy> I'm thinking about install ubuntu 11.04 on new partition
[02:29] <Omega> You should do that then.
[02:31] <ubuntuguy> Well, I was going to ask for instructions
[02:32] <jiohdi> ubuntuguy, just create a blank partition and when you do the install it will ask you if that is where you wish to park it
[02:32] <ubuntuguy> Will I get a dual boot?
[02:32] <jiohdi> yes
[02:32] <ubuntuguy> And how do I remove the partition?
[02:33] <jiohdi> familiar with gparted?
[02:33] <ubuntuguy> Not really, no
[02:33] <ubuntuguy> sort-a
[02:34] <jiohdi> ok, from the live cd, run gparted and it will show you your drive... you can then resize and repartition it.... you can create a new partition without any formatting.
[02:34] <ubuntuguy> Alright cool, thanks
[02:35] <jiohdi> its not 100% risk free... but what in life is... backup your important stuff
[02:36] <ubuntuguy> Well, in that case, I'll just wait for beta 2 and run live cd again
[02:36] <jiohdi> no hurry
[02:36] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[02:36] <jiohdi> I am running beta on two machines now
[02:36] <jiohdi> no major problems so far
[02:37] <ubuntuguy> I've used it VIA live machine, I'm liking unity so far
[02:37] <jiohdi> I have no use for unity, I am using lxde which is also like lubuntu
[02:38] <jiohdi> 11.04 allows docky to work with lxde which I like
[02:38] <ubuntuguy> I will have no need for docky anymore as unity bar gets the job done
[02:39] <jiohdi> to each his own which is the beauty of linux
[02:39] <ubuntuguy> Mhm, nicely said
[02:39] <jiohdi> I have tried many desktops and then get bored and try them again :)
[02:39] <jiohdi> been around the cycle a few times
[02:40] <ubuntuguy> I've only use the defaults
[02:40] <jiohdi> I have some low power machines so I always look for light weight
[02:40] <jiohdi> like xfce lxde and iceWM
[02:41] <ubuntuguy> OH, I see what your saying
[02:41] <ubuntuguy> unity isn't to light weight is it?
[02:42] <jiohdi> unity is supposed to be light weight, but its made for touch screens and it has limitations I do not like
[02:42] <ubuntuguy> Limitations such as? Because I haven't ran into any
[02:43] <jiohdi> its not very flexible... it is what it is and its not much for changing things around
[02:43] <ubuntuguy> That's true
[02:43] <jiohdi> the other panels allow additions of gadgets and such
[02:43] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, that's one thing I hate
[02:44] <ubuntuguy> I'm also going to miss the applications, places, etc menu
[02:44] <ubuntuguy> Wish someone would create an add-on for that
[02:46] <ubuntuguy> May go and request it on the forums
[02:48] <danno> Hello all
[02:51] <danno> Any thoughts on the Unity interface? I just am trying the beta now but not sure how I feel about it yet.
[02:51] <ubuntuguy> I like unity
[02:51] <ubuntuguy> but
[02:51] <ubuntuguy> I wish
[02:51] <ubuntuguy> like
[02:51] <ubuntuguy> I'm also going to miss the applications, places, etc menu
[02:51] <ubuntuguy> May go searching for an add-on
[02:52] <danno> I'm using the ubuntu classic noeffects for now.
[02:52] <ubuntuguy> What's the point of that?
[02:53] <danno> I was running into too much weirdness with Unity.
[02:53] <danno> Such as unmovable windows, poor UI performance (clicks took many seconds to register), etc.
[02:54] <ubuntuguy> I mean, it's a beta
[02:54] <danno> These problems disappeared when I switched.
[02:54] <ubuntuguy> Lets see what happens with beta 2
[02:54] <danno> Yes, but that's why I'm waiting for the next beta. :)
[02:54] <danno> Exactly.
[02:55] <danno> I think it has potential... I was using the netbook edition on, well, my netbook, but ran into window sizing issues there.
[02:55] <ubuntuguy> xD
[02:55] <ubuntuguy> I like unity though
[02:55] <ubuntuguy> I'm always open to change
[02:56] <danno> Definitely- I hate to bash Windows- I make my living with it- but it's not much fun.
[02:56] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[02:56] <ubuntuguy> but again, I'm going to miss the applications menu
[02:56] <danno> Isn't that still available with the ubuntu icon on the top left screen?
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> but like
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> it loads up
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> and then shows you applications and stuff, ok cool
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> but I prefer
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> the
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> click on applications
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> and pick
[02:57] <ubuntuguy> 1 2 3
[02:58] <danno> Oh
[02:58] <ubuntuguy> yeah
[02:58] <danno> I usually make short cuts for the 6 to 10 things I use the most but it was more convenient before
[02:58] <danno> the app menu that is
[02:59] <trism> ubuntuguy: why not the Applications button in the launcher, you can choose the categories in the top right
[02:59] <danno> Gotta go for a bit- thanks for the chat!
[02:59] <ubuntuguy> ik, but I like applications integrated in panel with places and systems along side
[03:04] <cyphase> "you're server is broke! it doesn't have any cache!"
[03:08] <magn3ts> I sure wish I could view my apps without having to scroll through nine pages of a lens.
[03:08] <magn3ts> Or that when I press the application button I'm not shown the first 4 apps that start with the letter 'a'... because that's really what I want.
[03:09] <magn3ts> cardapio is like, in every way possible, more usable than the application lens.
[03:24] <Cortex> having sound problems: when I plug in my headphones, sound still comes from the speakers
[03:24] <cyphase> that's not a bug, that's a feature!
[03:25] <Cortex> i mean, sound still comes from the computer speakers, not just the headphones
[03:25] <cyphase> i know
[03:25] <cyphase> :P
[03:26] <Cortex> :P
[03:27] <charlie-tca> does seem better than no sound, at times.
[03:28] <Cortex> well, is there a way to fix this?
[03:29] <cyphase> Cortex, what exactly is the setup?
[03:29] <cyphase> Cortex, where are the 'computer speakers', and where are the headphones plugged in
[03:29] <cyphase> laptop or desktop?
[03:30] <Cortex> er, i'm not so great at this, i'm using an old laptop
[03:30] <cyphase> hmm
[03:30] <cyphase> i think newer laptops usually have a hardware switch
[03:30] <Cortex> i've fiddled with the speakers menu, but nothing
[03:31] <cyphase> do you see two outputs in the pulseaudio utility?
[03:31] <charlie-tca> Cortex: this might help - http://digitizor.com/2009/10/22/fix-headphone-sound-problem-hp-laptop-linux/
[03:32] <Cortex> you mean sound preferences?
[03:33] <Cortex> charlie-tca: thanks, i'll see if it this works
[03:33] <cyphase> yes
[03:39] <Cortex> charlie-tca: nope, didn't work :/
[04:04] <cbilljones> I think my icons should bounce a bit when i click them, not a biggie - but i think would be nice polish
[04:05] <cbilljones> and im really missing my lm-sensor app, anyone working on appindicator for that?
[04:05] <Debolaz> Yeah, that's one thing I miss a bit, better visual indication that something was clicked or that something wants attention.
[04:06] <cbilljones> ya, i know my grandparents woud keep clicking till window opened lol
[04:08] <Debolaz> For me it's just a small thing though.
[04:09] <Debolaz> Having it would be an improvement, but not having it would not hinder productivity, so it's not very important.
[04:10] <Debolaz> It's productivity hindering stuff that gets me riled up, and so far there haven't been many of those. :)
[04:10] <genii-around> Just had a kernel oops on the last update. Couldn't make a bug report though, it said something like "the report is damaged" .
[04:14] <cbilljones> overall ive had pretty good luck with it, i think im maybe getting a little better performance playing WoW :)
[04:14] <cbilljones> and im really liking the zeitgeist search
[04:14] <Debolaz> It certainly is more pleasant to use on my netbook than gnome 2 was.
[04:15] <cbilljones> im using on my quadcore desktop
[04:15] <Debolaz> Finally someone has realized that on netbooks, the mouse isn't a high precision instrument where clicks are cheap.
[04:16] <cbilljones> ya, ive never used unity on netbook, i know i find win7 starter extremely aggravating
[04:37] <neeraj> rww,  sudo do-release-upgrade -d upgraded my system to Maverick :|, have to run update-manager -d for switching to natty
[04:37]  * Debolaz notes that Natty technically speaking haven't been released yet.
[04:38] <neeraj> Does not -d stands for currently developing version?
[04:38] <katsrc> hey, I was trying to upgrade to the latest Natty and the installer stalled at the ms-font installer dialog..
[04:38]  * Debolaz dunno. :)
[04:38] <katsrc> can i still resume the installation or is it too messy?
[04:39] <katsrc> i have no problems of doing a fresh install
[04:39] <gunndawg> I am still trying to figureo ut if I like 11.04 or 10.10 better
[04:39] <syn-ack> I tend to always recommend doing a fresh install, katsrc
[04:40] <katsrc> syn-ack: i usually get good results with upgrading, but i guess it's beta
[04:40] <syn-ack> Though, that's not the answer you're looking for... You should be able to kill it and then continue it, but it could turn out to be a messy decision.
[04:40] <katsrc> just wanted to know if there was a way to resume it or restart the upgrade process?
[04:41] <syn-ack> You may be able to kill it, and then restart it but there's no telling if it's going to work like it should.
[04:41] <katsrc> ok
[04:41] <katsrc> gota ya, just finished burning the image
[04:42] <jiohdi> katsrc you might try apt-get install -f
[04:42] <katsrc> gonna go try it out, thanks for the tip
[04:42] <syn-ack> I have a feeling it's going to end up very messy. :/
[04:42] <jiohdi> at least it will fix any missing dependencies of what you already have
[04:42] <syn-ack> Right
[04:43] <katsrc> just gotta back up a few directories and i should be ok to mess the box up :)
[04:43] <syn-ack> tisk tisk.... you should have done that BEFORE you started the upgrade. :P
[04:44] <katsrc> syn-ack: it's just a few directories that aren't that important
[04:45] <katsrc> thanks again
[04:45] <katsrc> brb
[04:49] <ledah_> hi anyone knows if i can install a genius easypen i405 in natty?
[04:56] <trism> ledah_: there seem to be drivers available: https://launchpad.net/wizardpen but you may need to build them yourself, since the ppa doesn't have natty yet
[04:57] <genii-around> ledah_: Also method here may work for you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1337260
[04:59] <ledah_> thx to both i'm trying right now both solutions
[05:02] <ledah_> mmm i get some errors
[05:03] <ledah_> http://pastebin.com/vjx1Qf0J
[05:12] <trism> ledah_: looks like it will need some patches for natty, several of those symbols have been dropped or replaced, there is already a bug about it: lp 715904
[05:21] <habanany> is is possible natty usb persistent if it is any tutorial how to make it ?
[05:23] <cbilljones> habanany i think pendrive linux can do it
[05:23] <habanany> i ll take a look cbilljones , thanks
[05:24] <bullgard4> What does "status 4" mean in the bootup message: "ureadahead - other main process terminated with status 4"?
[05:25] <cbilljones> habanany  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[05:25] <habanany> thanks
[05:25] <cbilljones> np, thats how i did it
[05:26] <cbilljones> my menus keep disappearing is this a known bug?
[05:27] <cbilljones> all i get is file, with just close option
[05:31] <bullgard4> cbilljones: Yes, I have read in this channel that others experienced the same. - Me personally not.
[05:32] <cbilljones> bullgard4 i did "unity -reset" that fixed it, could be a ccsm setting conflicting
[05:32] <cbilljones> unity --reset i mean
[05:35] <bullgard4> I am not using Unity.
[05:37] <IdleOne> bullgard4: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434502  first post explains what status 4 is. at the bottom of the post
[05:44] <bullgard4> IdleOne: Thank you very much for your excellent help.
[05:44] <IdleOne> welcome :)
[05:47] <CantWinn> I seem to have a bug. I'm using natty, and every time I try to down load a big file (Update manager etc) my system will freeze
[05:47] <CantWinn> Any one else getting this issue?
[05:52] <CantWinn> Any one on tonight?
[05:53] <Jerub> CantWinn: yep.
[05:53] <Jerub> CantWinn: are you using wireless?
[05:53] <perscitus> How is Beta 2 shaping up?
[05:53] <CantWinn> Jerub: Yes I am
[05:53] <rww> perscitus: it doesn't exist for another two days ;P
[05:53] <Jerub> CantWinn: okay, is it intel wireless, with 802.11n capability?
[05:53] <perscitus> rww,  I meant, hows the bugs.
[05:53] <CantWinn> No, Braudcom
[05:54] <Jerub> okay, different bug then.
[05:54] <perscitus> rww,  I bet  someone somewhere will release patch to make Launcher movable.
[05:54] <CantWinn> Jerub: I've tried the Proprietary drivers and the open src from the resource, both do it.
[05:55] <perscitus> I tried to find ways to Hide Unity launcher permanantly but nothing in google.
[05:55] <CantWinn> Ooops, and that should be Broadcom..
[05:56] <ledah_> i give up,
[05:56] <ledah_> i will reinstall 10.10
[05:56] <ledah_> thx for all your help
[05:57] <CantWinn> ledah_: Not sure what the issue is, but are you able to split your partition? have a common home dir?
[05:57] <perscitus> Anyone else know how to make Launcher disappear forever?
[05:57] <superm1> hey folks, is there a trick to getting these updated scrollbars to be used in apps?  i'm not seeing them in my gnome-terminal at all on an up to date natty
[05:58] <ledah_> ¿
[05:58] <ledah_> well i can't install my tablet and i really need it
[05:59] <ledah_> i don't know how to that
[05:59] <ledah_> i can install half os leave as natty half as julia
[06:00] <CantWinn> ledah_: nothing coming up in Google eh?
[06:01] <ledah_> heheh i derp let me look
[06:01] <wage> I'm having a problem where the screen goes scrambled a lot. Then it goes back to my windows, but I can't do anything. sometimes unity keeps flashing like its crashed and restarting. This has been happening for at least a month now.
[06:01] <wage> Has this been reported?
[06:04] <CantWinn> So there's a bug reported for Intel wireless but nothing out there for Broadcom then I take it?
[06:05] <ledah_> looks like it's posibble
[06:08] <audhi> cozziemoto,  are you here?
[06:12] <navatwo> Hmm.. so there's an issue in natty thats creating *massive* memory leak issues and causing my kernel to panic. This is using natty kubuntu
[06:17] <Paddy_NI> No harm to the kubuntu packaging team but I would not use kubuntu if I was after an any way decent kde experience
[06:17] <Paddy_NI> navatwo: ^
[06:18] <navatwo> Paddy_NI: Hmm, kubuntu was doing well with 10.10.. kinda. It was too behind in mesa that it was killing my system. Hence I updated to natty hoping to fix this
[06:18] <navatwo> instead I now am faced with horrible memory leaks :(
[06:18] <Paddy_NI> have you tried chakra navatwo?
[06:18] <navatwo> Paddy_NI: what might you suggest? Debian was OK.. nothing special
[06:18] <navatwo> never heard of it
[06:19] <Paddy_NI> chakra is still alpha but its pretty great
[06:19] <Paddy_NI> Chakra is a kde based distro created from arch linux
[06:19] <Paddy_NI> In fact you could try archlinux.. the installer is not very friendly when compared to ubuntus
[06:20] <Paddy_NI> Chakra has a nice installer though
[06:20] <navatwo> I have arch installed inside a qemu vm
[06:20] <wage> if no one else has reported the crash is there somewhere I can get a log and send it in?
[06:20] <navatwo> Might give fedora a try
[06:20] <navatwo> wage: depends what the bug is for
[06:21] <Paddy_NI> navatwo: Not sure of how they treat kde
[06:21] <navatwo> at least where you send it :P
[06:21] <Paddy_NI> navatwo: afaik mandriva have the best kde around
[06:21] <wage> navatwo: i think its a unity crash
[06:21] <navatwo> Paddy_NI: its available, but I'm thinking its similar to comparing kubuntu with ubuntu
[06:21] <navatwo> wage: launchpad then :)
[06:21] <Paddy_NI> navatwo: although its not up to the minute in terms of which kde release they use
[06:21] <navatwo> Paddy_NI: I'm considering switching to GNOME3.. its very nice.
[06:22] <Paddy_NI> navatwo: I am happy with my customised gnome 2
[06:22] <wage> navatwo: know where i might find the logs for that?
[06:22] <rww> Paddy_NI: You're in #ubuntu+1, not ##linux ;P
[06:22] <Paddy_NI> rww: yeah just giving some friendly advice
[06:23] <navatwo> Its still on-topic, haha.
[06:23] <navatwo> [0mHostname[33m: [0mn2-desktop[33m - [0mOS[33m: [0mLinux 2.6.38-8-generic/x86_64[33m - [0mDistro[33m: [0mUbuntu Natty (development branch) branch)[33m - [0mCPU[33m: [0m4 x AMD Phenom II X4 970 (2200.000 MHz)[33m - [0mProcesses[33m: [0m195[33m - [0mUptime[33m: [0m1d 1h 54m[33m - [0mUsers[33m: [0m5[33m - [0mLoad Average[33m: [0m2.17[33m - [0mMemory Usage[33m: [0m1659.71MB/3959.92MB (41.91%)[33m - [0mDisk Usage[33m: [0m172.27GB/636.71GB (27.06%)
[06:23] <navatwo> >.<
[06:23] <Paddy_NI> heh
[06:24] <navatwo> wait.. what? top says my usage is at 3.7Gb
[06:24] <rww> navatwo: preferred KDE distro is "Ubuntu development release discussion and support" ;P
[06:24] <rww> s/$/?/
[06:25] <Paddy_NI> rww: yes we just changed it.. did you not get the memo?
[06:25] <Paddy_NI> :P
[06:25] <navatwo> wat/
[06:25] <rww> Paddy_NI: You need sudo access to change channel topic ;P
[06:25] <navatwo> Mem:   4054956k total,  3611004k used,   443952k free,    82176k buffers <- thats odd..
[06:25] <Paddy_NI> hehe
[06:25] <navatwo> when sysinfo says its at 1.6gB
[06:26] <navatwo> .. great unetbootin seems to have crashed
[06:49] <bullgard4> What is the function of the kernel thread »sync_supers«?
[06:55] <Visitor_71> question: my menu bar in Unity will no longer dodge windows... it is checked off in CCSM. How do I get the bar to auto hide when I maximize a program?
[07:09] <inaety> hey guys, i had 10.10 installed and decided to also install kubuntu-desktop.  having since updated to the beta, i want to remove everything kde
[07:09] <Tm_T> !puregnome
[07:09] <inaety> Tm_T, nothing there for even 10.10
[07:09] <bazhang> inaety, I've not tried it with the beta; it may be updated (ie the link) once you reach final
[07:09] <inaety> let alone 11.04
[07:10] <bazhang> inaety, I did do it with 10.10 however
[07:10] <Tm_T> inaety: do you mean that instructions there doesn't work?
[07:10] <inaety> bazhang, it looks like removing the apps manually is the way to go
[07:10] <inaety> Tm_T, yes sir
[07:10] <Tm_T> inaety: can you give more details so the instructions can be updated?
[07:11] <bazhang> inaety, fine; it worked perfectly well in 10.10 for me however
[07:11] <inaety> well, Tm_T trying to just apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop doesn't give me the meta package its supposed to be
[07:11] <Tm_T> inaety: no, that's not how it even should work
[07:12] <inaety> Tm_T, those are the first instructions
[07:12] <inaety> aptitude*
[07:12] <Tm_T> inaety: hmm, what happens if you remove qtlibs packages?
[07:13] <inaety> aptitude?
[07:13] <Tm_T> aptitude, apt-get, any tool
[07:13] <inaety> cant locate
[07:14] <inaety> is there a more specific name
[07:14] <Tm_T> libqtcore4
[07:14] <inaety> ah
[07:14] <inaety> Tm_T, much more promising
[07:15] <inaety> removing 500+ megs now
[07:15] <inaety> i'd suggest updating it with
[07:15] <Tm_T> inaety: pay attention on what it is removing and make sure that's what you want
[07:15] <inaety> sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop libqtcore4
[07:15] <inaety> its removing the kde apps clearly
[07:15] <inaety> i can send you a pastebin if youd like
[07:16] <Tm_T> inaety: "sudo aptitude removing kubuntu-desktop" is supposed to remove all the packages that got installed automatically as dependencies of the package
[07:16] <inaety> it did not
[07:16] <Tm_T> inaety: it's your choice what you want to remove (:
[07:16] <inaety> i meant for the docs
[07:16] <Tm_T> I know
[07:17] <rww> Tm_T: Ubuntu's default settings mark dependencies of a metapackage as manually installed when the metapackage is removed.
[07:17] <Tm_T> rww: really?
[07:17] <Tm_T> hohum, that makes things tricky
[07:17] <Tm_T> rww: as you know more about this, I leave it to you (;
[07:18] <inaety> libqtcore4 looks pretty golden
[07:18] <inaety> but any ways anyone mess with gnome3 yet
[07:19] <rww> I think it's set by 01autoremove in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ or the aptitude equivalent
[07:41] <torchie> f
[07:41] <torchie> f
[07:41] <rww> g
[07:41] <torchie> h
[07:42] <torchie> natty beta 1 didn't come with compiz and the ccsm by default did it?
[07:43] <gunndawg> was wondering the same thing my self
[07:43] <gunndawg> I want my wobbly windows back! :(
[07:43] <torchie> did you switch to Ubuntu on the login screen?
[07:43] <torchie> what kind of video card do you have
[07:44] <torchie> I have an nvidia 7150m and I was baffled to see all the FX I got on macbook gone
[07:44] <gunndawg> some nvidia mobile card
[07:44] <gunndawg> im on laptop
[07:44] <torchie> i think with some machines and it assumes you don't have the drivers to run the composited desktop
[07:45] <torchie> I don't remember exactly how I did it but I know now when I go to Ubuntu I get all the fancy unity wobbly stuff
[07:45] <torchie> except it freezes every couple hours so I'm sticking to Classic
[07:46] <gunndawg> hmmm
[07:46] <gunndawg> wont let me install simple-ccsm either
[07:46] <gunndawg> from package manager
[07:46] <elFidel> classic ftw
[07:47] <torchie> classic, don't like
[07:47] <torchie> my taskbar is just a jumbled mess
[07:47] <torchie> I don't even know the name of anything anymore
[08:12] <gnomefreak> is anyone able to test if flash videos play normal or are in fast forward(for lack of better words) on 32bit?
[08:13] <rww> gnomefreak: Do you have speakers/headphones/whatever plugged in? I get fast forward flash sometimes if I don't have any sound peripherals plugged in.
[08:14] <gnomefreak> rww: yes i get sound on login
[08:14] <rww> ah, never mind me then
[08:15] <gnomefreak> it happens in both HD and normal vga
[08:16] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak: It is not normal for flash videos to play at anything but normal speed on 32 bit Ubuntu. That said, flash on linux in general is buggy.
[08:20] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: i know both of them. just needing to make sure it is not just me
[08:24] <bullgard4> [solved]
[08:28] <oly> hi, can someone tell me have i reported this bug in the correct place ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyopenssl/+bug/758037
[08:28] <Jerub> ubottu: that depends. are you testing 0.12 ?
[08:28] <Jerub> sigh
[08:28] <Jerub> oly: that depends. are you testing 0.12 ?
[08:29] <oly> originally i posted it against pyopenssl but its fixed there, i am using natty witth all the updates as of last night
[08:29] <gnomefreak> im guessing you mean is the package correct, since bugs are reported to Launchpad
[08:29] <Jerub> oly: okay, well, pyopenssl 0.12 was released in the last day or so, probably want to see if that gets into ubuntu natty.
[08:30] <Jerub> https://launchpad.net/pyopenssl/+announcement/8151
[08:30] <Jerub> looks like 0.10 is in natty
[08:30] <oly> ah okay, i will wait a few more days and see if it comes in
[08:30] <oly> cheers for the info, i was a bit confused when i was told i had reported the bug in the wrong place
[08:32] <oly> cool, beans i patched my local copy for now anyway just wanted to make sure the fix makes it in :)
[08:32] <uniscript> is there a url to describe how to develop unity lenses?
[08:32] <uniscript> I'm interested in doing one for doc-central
[08:33] <uniscript> of course if someone else would like to take it on, that would make me even happier ;)
[08:34] <bullgard4> What is the proper name of the warning triangle symbol in the notification area?
[08:34] <bullgard4> "The update information is outdated."
[08:35] <Jerub> oly: just checked with some folks, that's definately the right place to file the bug.
[08:43] <oly> okay, cheers Jerub i look forward to the fix :)
[08:51] <gnomefreak> it seeems my flash problem is not just me and it happens on Maverick as well. bug 657586
[09:00] <wolter> does somebody know whats happening with nvidia and the fake kms?
[09:00] <wolter> nvidia proprietary drivers
 What is the proper name of the warning triangle symbol in the notification area? > gtk-dialog-warning-panel.svg
[09:16] <zniavre> /usr/share/icons/Humanity/status/
[09:20] <gnomefreak> is there a way to download a flash video from youtube and play it locally?
[09:20] <gordonjcp> gnomefreak: there are many many ways
[09:23] <gnomefreak> gordonjcp: one would be helpful
[09:23] <eagles0513875> hey guys has anyone tried natty on a wpa2 wifi connection
[09:23] <eagles0513875> cuz every time i try to connect to my wpa2 connection at home natty kernel panics
[09:25] <susundberg> thats not too promissing ..
[09:26] <susundberg> i am using: IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
[09:26] <susundberg> Pairwise Ciphers (2) : TKIP CCMP, Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
[09:26] <susundberg> it works but not too well thanks to bad drivers
[09:27] <susundberg> wireless-compat drivers are helps littlebit though
[09:27] <susundberg> (at least they did when i last tested)
[09:27] <susundberg> eagles0513875: can you do iwlist scan ok? does dmesg show anything weird?
[09:28] <eagles0513875> i cant it crashes my whole system
[09:28] <eagles0513875> with a kernel backing and a trace
[09:28] <eagles0513875> atm im wired
[09:28] <susundberg> iwlist scan or what?
[09:28] <eagles0513875> susundberg: wpa2 works like a charm in maverick
[09:28] <eagles0513875> and i find my network just fine
[09:28] <eagles0513875> wpa2 crashes then when im at school
[09:28] <eagles0513875> using wpa enterprise using radius authentication it works like a charm
[09:29] <gordonjcp> gnomefreak: apt-cache search youtube
[09:29] <susundberg> anyway it might be a) driver issue b) authentication issue c) network manager issue
[09:29] <gordonjcp> gnomefreak: sorry, I'm not booted into Ubuntu just now so I can't be more specific
[09:29] <susundberg> for anything to be done one would first need to debug what is causing the troble
[09:29] <gordonjcp> gnomefreak: but I'm guessing you neither need nor want spoon-fed anyway
[09:30] <susundberg> (or d: other reason)
[09:31] <eagles0513875> susundberg: how can i get the required informatino
[09:31] <gnomefreak> gordonjcp: thanks anyway
[09:32] <susundberg> eagles0513875: well i would start with doing 'iwlist scan' -- and check dmesg for troubles
[09:32] <susundberg> if it looks ok, then i would google my adapter with 'natty kernel panic'
[09:33] <eagles0513875> susundberg: what kinda wifi do you have
[09:33] <eagles0513875> my netbook has an atheros ar2427
[09:33] <susundberg> usb dongle dlink something
[09:33] <susundberg> have you googled the crash backtrace with your adapter name?
[09:35] <gnomefreak> it seems flash is no different when using browser-plugin-gnash
[09:38] <eagles0513875> susundberg: no i havent yet
[09:38] <eagles0513875> gonna try again
[09:38] <eagles0513875> see if it does it
[09:38] <eagles0513875> susundberg: this is odd
[09:39] <eagles0513875> plugged into the wired network then connecting to the wifi doesnt crash
[09:43] <buff27> is it possibly to remove the unity shell in the new ubuntu 11.04? and just use normal gnome shell? I tried unity on my netbook with 10.10 but I don't like it
[09:44] <gnomefreak> by shell you mean desktop?
[09:45] <buff27> yes, I mean desktop sorry just used word shell as I've seen reviews refer to unity as a Gnome "shell"
[09:45] <gnomefreak> you can choose to use classic desktop edition from login screen. classic is the normal desktop
[09:45] <buff27> wonderful!
[09:45] <susundberg> eagles0513875: and you said the crash was kernel panic?
[09:45] <susundberg> eagles0513875: not network manager crash?
[09:46] <buff27> thank you for a prompt reply gnomefreak
[09:46] <gnomefreak> np buff27
[09:47]  * gnomefreak thinking aloud, please jump in with any ideas, or thoughts
[09:47] <fuzzybunny69y> Hey everyone! I just upgraded to Natty and am just wondering how do you remove icons from the unity launcher?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> ok so flash videos dont play right in gnash than can it be a bug in flash software
[09:48] <gnomefreak> sorry i work better reading my thoughts
[09:48] <delac> fuzzybunny69y: right click them?
[09:48] <eagles0513875> susundberg: whole system crash from the trace it looked like a kernel panic
[09:48] <gnomefreak> fuzzybunny69y: you cant remove some but if you right click on the icon you can choose to remove it
[09:48] <eagles0513875> susundberg: what i find odd though is if im plugged into my wired network and then connect to wpa 2 it works just fine
[09:48] <susundberg> eagles0513875: you need to post the crash report somewhere
[09:48] <gnomefreak> applications, file and folders,desktop switcher can not be removed
[09:49] <susundberg> mhh, that is also my case .. i am plugged in wired network
[09:49] <susundberg> i'll try without it
[09:49] <gnomefreak> and to remove click on "keep in launcher"
[09:50] <delac> fuzzybunny69y: that of course works both ways. so you can keep any icon in the launcher by enabling the "keep in launcher"
[09:50] <gnomefreak> cant download to test them i removed swf-dec so that cant be the cause as it used to be
[09:50] <susundberg> eagles0513875: no mine natty works fine
[09:50] <susundberg> eagles0513875: i mean connecting wpa2 when not plugged to wired net
[09:50] <eagles0513875> odd
[09:50] <eagles0513875> maybe since i did an upgrade from mavrick to natty
[09:51] <gnomefreak> mvo: if your around if libunity3 is needed to run unity (at least i think it is) why does autoremove want to remove it if i use unity all the time?
[09:51] <susundberg> eagles0513875: might be, please try to reproduce it and post the crash message to pastebin (or similar)
[09:51] <eagles0513875> this is i cant
[09:51] <eagles0513875> just panics and everythign locks up
[09:51] <eagles0513875> at console screen
[09:52] <eagles0513875> have to do a hard reset
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i dont think a kernel panic log will gfit on pastebins
[09:52] <mvo> gnomefreak: there is a libunity3 and a libunity4
[09:52] <gnomefreak> s/gfit/fit
[09:52] <gnomefreak> mvo: ah thanks
[09:53] <susundberg> eagles0513875: can't help with this info, as said the problem could be anywhere, from drivers to user space programs
[09:54] <eagles0513875> no worries
[09:54] <eagles0513875> hey gnomefreak
[09:54] <eagles0513875> my system froze
[09:54] <eagles0513875> no kernel panic this time just locked up badly
[09:55] <susundberg> eagles0513875: if the 'iwlist scan' can produce the crash, then you could try to run that from console without X running -- if it happens also there then it really might be driver issue
[09:56] <susundberg> if the 'iwlist scan' does not cause any problems then i would mayby try to connect the wpa2 from console
[09:56] <susundberg> (that is without network manager)
[09:56] <susundberg> if that works then the problem is in network manager or some other service started with X
[09:57] <gnomefreak> hi eagles0513875
[09:57] <eagles0513875> how goes it
[09:58]  * gnomefreak feels the need for a smoke again :( this is way too stressful but i need answers
[09:58] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: im good and yourself?
[09:58] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: gd gd stressed and swearing as to why wpa2 hates me
[09:58] <eagles0513875> anyone else here upgraded from maverick to natty
[09:59] <bullgard4> zniavre: Excellent! Thank you very much for your help.
[09:59] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yes but i dont use wireless
[09:59] <eagles0513875> humm ok :-/
[10:00] <eagles0513875> anyone here who uses wifi and upgraded from maverick to natty
[10:00] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:00] <gnomefreak> by chris
[10:00] <gnomefreak> s/by/bye
[10:04] <fuzzybunny69y> thanks guys your lovely
[10:04] <fuzzybunny69y> I did I mention I love you
[10:06] <Chief> can someone help me ?
[10:06] <eagles0513875> !ask | Chief
[10:06] <Chief> ok
[10:07] <Chief> i tried to change some settings in compiz ( to change from wall to cube and to enable opacify ) and now i don't have anything on my desktop
[10:08] <Chief> no unity sidebar and no taskbar
[10:09] <Chief> i tried to get back default settings but that doesn't work
[10:14] <davidcalle> Hi all, I'm looking for testers/bug reporters for a Unity Lens, is anyone interested?
[10:24] <buff27> how do I updade to natty? I check for updates and don't get A message informing me of the availability of the new release. Have set the update settings to look for new release
[10:28] <gnomefreak> buff27: update-manager -d
[10:28] <gnomefreak> in terminal
[10:28] <gnomefreak> Chief: compiz+unity are not fully compatible at this time
[10:33] <Chief> gnomefreak: i removed compiz but nothing happens . how can i get back to how it was before i messed up ?
[10:33] <gnomefreak> i am unable to find the bug
[10:34] <gnomefreak> i know ther eis one since i filed one and it was marked as a duplicate of another bug, and it had >15 duplicates added to it
[10:34] <gnomefreak> i gave it to someone last week
[10:40] <mwhudson_> i'm trying to upgrade to natty and getting
[10:40] <mwhudson_> Could not calculate the upgrade
[10:41] <mwhudson_> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[10:41] <mwhudson_> E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Chief: see bug 685552  for your problem
[10:41] <gnomefreak> mwhudson_: run sudo apt-get install -f
[10:41] <mwhudson_> how can i figure out what the problem is?
[10:41] <mwhudson_> gnomefreak: completes without anything much happening
[10:43] <mwhudson_> ah i do have a ppa package being held back
[10:44] <mwhudson_> grr i used to know this
[10:44] <Chief> gnomefreak: where ?
[10:44] <mwhudson_> how do i find why a package isn't being upgraded?
[10:45] <gnomefreak> Chief: https://launchpad.net/bugs/685552
[10:45] <gnomefreak> that should be the bug you are refering to
[10:48] <Chief> thank you
[10:57] <Bauldrick> I updated to natty but on reboot I have boot problem as so - 'The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present' I get options to press 'S' or 'M'.
[10:57] <Bauldrick> 'S' locks with plymouth disconnected
[10:58] <Bauldrick> 'M' give read only, so I can't alter anything
[11:00] <mwhudson_> bah, no, still an issue
[11:01] <arand> Bauldrick: Boot a liveCD to modify things.
[11:01] <mateobur> is there any place where I can configure my unity launcher?
[11:02] <delac> mateobur: in compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:03] <delac> mateobur: in there is a Unity plugin where are some settings for the Launcher
[11:03] <mateobur> nice
[11:07] <mateobur> I still can't configure the two things I want :)
[11:08] <mateobur> the most important one will be to make the notifications blink until I have attended them
[11:08] <mateobur> otherwise I miss people talking at me
[11:08] <iulian> Does anyone know how one can increase the number of workspaces in Unity?
[11:09] <delac> iulian: in compizconfig-settings-manager in the general settings
[11:09] <iulian> delac: Cheers.
[11:51] <KNUBBIG> Hi, I'm trying to install 11.04 via the x64 alternate CD, because the desktop CDs for 11.04 and 10.10 crashed with come casper-related error, but now the text-based installer doesn't recognize my already existing Windows partitions which is kind of a problem for me as I want to dual-boot. Any ideas?
[12:33] <stimpie> When logged in to ubuntu classic the theming of the gnome-panel is 'lost' after about a minute, what could cause this?
[12:58] <achimtrf|2> I'm playing a video in Firefox under natty. Now when i move the mouse cursor over the controls (play, fullscreen, mute and so on) it starts flickering and the controls are white, parts of the video too. Here is a screenshot of this: http://goo.gl/9gUJP  Is it more a bug in firefox or should i report is as a bug in Launcpad?
[13:00] <rocky> hrm, i have some searches added to my gwibber window (so they show up as magnifying glass icons on the left-side) ... is there anyway to remove those saved searches? (there's no right-click, etc)
[13:02] <achimtrf|2> ok. all are sleeping...
[13:03]  * semitones <3 zsync
[13:04] <semitones> i just zsynced my beta to the april 11 daily
[13:04] <semitones> time to ruuunnnnn
[13:04] <rocky> speaking of sync'ing... what's a good way to sync gnome stuff (hopefully settings, but would settle for sync'ing just evolution data, tomboy data, etc) across separate computers all running same version of gnome? (on natty)
[13:27] <maxb> Hello, could anyone running Natty with Ubuntu Classic Desktop please tell me if they see a proper icon for the NetworkManager applet?
[13:27] <arif-ali> I am runnning natty, no problem with with NM applet
[13:28] <arif-ali> classic desktop, no compiz
[13:28] <maxb> arif-ali: Curious, could you go into the Appearance preferences, Customize, and tell me which icon theme you have selected?
[13:29] <arif-ali> maxb, Ubuntu-Mono-Dark, i.e. the default
[13:29] <maxb> hm. so why do I not see a real icon there :-/
[13:31] <arif-ali> have you checked if network manager is running
[13:33] <arif-ali> maxb, and check nm-applet is running
[13:44] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:50] <ernstp> Anyone using btrfs?
[13:52] <ernstp> when I upgraded to natty it now takes 2m15s to boot, suspecting btrfs related
[13:53] <BluesKaj> ernstp, could be , it's till in dev , isn't it
[14:11] <zniavre> do we really needs to relog to get new application in application-launcher?
[14:13] <Guest70768> hi
[14:13] <Guest70768> i have a question
[14:14] <arif-ali> ok, ask, and if someone knows, someone will answer
[14:14] <pmatulis_> has anyone had problems using Unity-2D as a KVM guest?
[14:14] <Guest70768> !ask |arif-ali
[14:16] <rocky> how do i associate icons with apps i pin to my unit left-side bar?
[14:17] <ernstp> rocky, they should all be a .desktop file somewhere and they can have any icon you want....
[14:20] <rocky> i've creatd a foo.desktop file on my Desktop ... properly configured with an icon, etc... and when i launch it, in the left-side unity bar i get an icon matching the common "screw" picture that is displayed when icon can't be looked up... how do i change that?
[14:28] <nattytones> help
[14:30] <nattytones> i woke up from sleep
[14:30] <nattytones> and now everything is screwy
[14:30] <nattytones> i can't click normally
[14:30] <bhearsum> is there a way to open up a second instance of an application with Unity? Eg, I want to open up gnome-terminal on a separate desktop via Launcher
[14:31] <gordonjcp> bhearsum: middle-click
[14:31] <nattytones> how do I ctrl-alt-backspace? or the equivalent
[14:31] <nattytones> i want my mouse to behave normally agaign
[14:31] <gordonjcp> bhearsum: I have no idea why that's supposed to be easier than double-clicking
[14:31] <gordonjcp> nattytones: with ctrl-alt-backspace
[14:32] <nattytones> gordonjcp, does nothing
[14:32] <nattytones> alt sysreg k doesn't work either
[14:32] <bhearsum> gordonjcp: ah thank you, that's great :)
[14:32] <gordonjcp> nattytones: but you need to enable that in xorg.conf since Xorg no longer ships with that enabled by default
[14:32] <arand> nattytones: alt+sysreq+K
[14:32] <nattytones> arand, it doesn't work :(
[14:32] <jabo5360> I just upgraded to 11.04 beta, think it will work fine, but when it boots at this point I don't get the grub boot loader it starts to go right into Ubunto, prob to finish the upgrade I think, but my monitor reports "H.V Frequency Over Range" and I cant do anything, is there a file I can edit or something?
[14:32] <nattytones> doesn't help that sysreg requires the fn key
[14:32] <bhearsum> another thing related to the Launcher, is it possible to adjust the auto-hide/raise delay? i couldn't find anything in the Compiz settings
[14:33] <gordonjcp> nattytones: ctrl-alt-f1, log in, sudo pkill X
[14:33] <ceed^> gordonjcp, with two button touchpad mice middle click is a bit cumbersome. Do you know if one can change it to right click, or key+leftclick or even hold right mouse button?
[14:35] <nattytones> thanks :)
[14:35] <nattytones> my mouse is still messed up though :(
[14:35] <nattytones> jumps around, left click is right click
[14:35] <nattytones> actually clicking doesn't do antying
[14:36] <gordonjcp> maybe it's broken
[14:36] <nattytones> gordonjcp, it was working normally when i booted
[14:36] <nattytones> closing the lid (suspending the computer) and waking seems to have broken it
[14:40] <jabo5360> I just upgraded to 11.04 beta, think it will work fine, but when it boots at this point I don't get the grub boot loader it starts to go right into Ubunto, prob to finish the upgrade, but my monitor reports "H.V Frequency Over Range" and I cant do anything, is there a file I can edit or something?
[14:43] <nattytones> ok so
[14:43] <nattytones> if i boot from usb
[14:44] <nattytones> can i use the installer to install to the usb drive I booted from
[14:44] <nattytones> oh sweet
[14:44] <nattytones> so to fix the mouse thing
[14:44] <nattytones> all you have to do is wait 5 minutes
[14:53] <nattytones> way is rofs
[14:53] <nattytones> wat
[14:57] <jpiche> in xubuntu is there any way to get NetworkManager working without indicator-applet (in 11.04)? I tried #xubuntu, but I was told there is no way to get nm-applet back into the notification area
[15:12] <pietro10> Hi. Enhanced Zoom Desktop in Compiz doesn't work at all, even if I set the keyboard shortcuts. What's going on? Thanks.
[15:13] <pietro10> The setting is turned on in th settings manager
[15:15] <roadwarrior> I am trying to install 11.04 Beta 1 but my locale got screwed up and now its arabic or something and I cant go back past the where are you screen to change to something usable..
[15:18] <Guest70768> dont install it its beta !!
[15:18] <Guest70768> !beta
[15:18] <Guest70768> !natty
[15:18] <Guest70768> roadwarrior,  try this
[15:18] <Guest70768> !lts
[15:18] <pietro10> ...
[15:18] <charlie-tca> roadwarrior: beta2 will be out thursday
[15:18] <charlie-tca> guest
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Guest2370: stop that. This is the development version support channel
[15:19] <Guest70768> charlie-tca,
[15:19] <Guest70768> !ask
[15:19] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[15:19] <pietro10> are you using the ...
[15:19] <delac> pietro10: for me it seems to work. what key combinations you use for the zoom?
[15:19] <pietro10> are you just a bot that calls up ubottu?
[15:19] <Guest70768> !offtopic | pietro10
[15:19] <pietro10> yeah he's just a bot that's calling ubottu
[15:19] <pietro10> delac: alt+numpad +/-
[15:19] <Lars_G> Has anyone else detected this on +1? when my laptop comes back from sleep, the keyboard is almost unusable in xorg, the alt-gr key is stuck (has to be unstuck), and ctrl and alt do not work at all....
[15:20] <Lars_G> I wonder if it's an xmod or xinput problem
[15:20] <pietro10> I'm going to run a system update first; hold on
[15:20] <charlie-tca> !ops | Guest2370 is disruptive
[15:20] <jpds> Hi.
[15:20] <IdleOne> Guest2370: Please don't abuse the bot
[15:20] <Pici> Wrong guest.
[15:20] <IdleOne> Guest70768: *
[15:20] <charlie-tca> sorry
[15:21] <Pici> Guest70768: Please join #ubuntu-ops
[15:21] <charlie-tca> you are right, wrong guest.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Not only bot abuse, but telling others not to install beta, use lts, etc
[15:23] <Guest70768> charlie-tce here isnt a offtopicchannel !
[15:23] <charlie-tca> You are correct, this is a support channel for the beta release.
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Please stop being disruptive
[15:24] <Guest70768> ok
[15:24] <Lars_G> Has anyone else seen these keyboard troubles when back from sleep?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Lars_G: I heard a complaint about the mouse not working, but not the keyboard
[15:29] <Lars_G> charlie-tca: ok
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Lars_G, there should be an update to the KB probs (keyboard-configuration) , I some yesterday , but they seem to be fixed today
[15:30] <BluesKaj> I had some
[15:30] <Lars_G> BluesKaj: I'm updating, and I'll test
[15:31] <charlie-tca> roadwarrior: did you get the info about beta2?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> You might want to grab the latest daily image and try it instead of beta1 now
[15:33] <Raydiation> anyone seen http://www.youtube.com/embed/QaLDMz_e2jQ?html5=1&autoplay=1&vq=medium&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Frockiger.com%2Fde%2Fblog%2Fview%2Fausfuehrlicher-unity-test-video
[15:35] <Raydiation> jeeez, that global menu is just crap
[15:35] <Raydiation> or at least the current implementation
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Raydiation, we see more kde converts these days due to the confusion with unity and gnome3 and their related probs
[15:39] <Raydiation> BluesKaj: im using the shell atm, but i guess unity also has potential
[15:40] <Raydiation> both have usabilty issues though
[15:40] <Raydiation> although i think that gnome-shell is better in this case
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Raydiation, I'm sure it has potential , I even tried unity for a few days due to curiosity , but in my case the curiosity wore off very quickly :)
[15:42] <nemo> http://mozillalabs.com/messaging/2011/04/12/ubuntu-unity-messaging-menu-updated/  - anyone using this?
[15:43] <nemo> might be enough to convince me to try unity again :)
[15:43] <Raydiation> BluesKaj: using gnome-shell as well?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Ive been a solid KDE supporter/user for many years and plan to stay with it , Raydiation
[15:44] <Debolaz> I like the global menu. :/
[15:44] <BluesKaj> the gnome confusion seems to be creating new KDE users
[15:44] <Raydiation> Debolaz: it would be ok if it wasnt that shitty implemented
[15:44] <Debolaz> Raydiation: What problems do you experience with the current implementation?
[15:44] <Raydiation> BluesKaj: ah ok, i think the kde usability is horrid and its still a bit buggy, but i think no workflow fits em all :)
[15:45] <Raydiation> Debolaz: take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLDMz_e2jQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fembed%2FQaLDMz_e2jQ&feature=player_embedded
[15:45] <Raydiation> if they copy it from mac, they should copy it the right way
[15:46] <IdleOne> Raydiation: you could do: ubuntu-bug unity
[15:46] <IdleOne> and report all the things that you find are bugs/irritating/not well implemented
[15:47] <BluesKaj> horrid ? Raydiation ...never had any horrids with KDE , a few bugs maybe , but mostlky solvable
[15:47] <Debolaz> My biggest obstacle so far with Unity has been compiz, the notoriously less than perfectly stable doohickey Unity runs on. :)
[15:48] <Raydiation> BluesKaj: i dont like the defaults plus i think the menus/settings are too overloaded
[15:49] <Raydiation> IdleOne: ive given up on usabilty/design reports, i had bad experiences in the past plus i think that designers are often stubborn/blind to the problem. plus im using gnome-shell
[15:50] <IdleOne> Raydiation: ok, well in that case I would just like to remind you that this channel is for support.
[15:50] <Raydiation> i think that video will spread, plus adresses a lot of problems, so no need for me to rephrase
[15:51] <IdleOne> I am watching the video and I agree with much of what is being said in it. That doesn't mean I come here to rant about it though.
[15:51] <Raydiation> IdleOne: yep, sry i guess i wandered into OT without noticing
[15:58] <LULLING_HARD> is there any way to configure the top panel in Unity?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> LULLING_HARD: nope, but you can use classic session and configure it.
[16:00] <LULLING_HARD> yeah, it sucks because my KDE apps dont appear on the panel and just disappear
[16:04] <LULLING_HARD> And I guess there's no way to put the file menu on the apps themselves instead of in the panel?
[16:05] <yofel> unlock and remove the appmenu applet?
[16:05] <gordonjcp> LULLING_HARD: uninstall indicator-appmenu
[16:05] <yofel> or that
[16:05] <LULLING_HARD> how do I "unlock" it?
[16:06] <gordonjcp> it takes about two or three solid days of work to remove *most* of the retardedness in Unity
[16:06] <gordonjcp> as it ships, it's unusable
 unlock and remove the appmenu applet? <------How do I do this?
[16:07] <yofel> not sure, that's what the others said, if you don't know how to uninstall indicator-appmenu as gordonjcp said
[16:07] <LULLING_HARD> Another thing with Unity that sucks is you cant use the Desktop Cube in Compiz because it conflicts with Unity.
[16:08] <yofel> o.O
[16:08] <pietro10> actually
[16:08] <pietro10> will Unity use the full Compiz or will it provide a replacement for Enhanced Zoom Desktop? I don't like the non-full screen magnifiers >_>
[16:08] <robin0800> LULLING_HARD, yes you can see OMG!UBUNTU!
[16:09] <LULLING_HARD> robin0800: link please
[16:09] <LULLING_HARD> I still am not sure I will use Unity because it really blows not being able to configure the top panel
[16:10] <robin0800> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/compiz-cube-natty/
[16:37] <BluesKaj> robin0800, kde uses a desktop cube without compiz ..set it i desktop effects
[16:37] <BluesKaj> i=in
[16:40] <lampe2> hey can i install the ATI driver on natty?
[16:41] <lampe2> the problem is that the fan is running on 100%
[16:41] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: can I run kubuntu but have it look exactly like gnome, have all the effects I want without the crashing of compiz?
[16:41] <IdleOne> lol /me thinks he is funny
[16:48] <KipMacy> so where do i set what program to open URLs with in Terminal ( perhaps system wide? )
[16:55] <micahg> is there a unity error log somehwere?
[16:55] <pietro10> delac: ok, I'm still having problems with the compiz Enhanced Zoom
[16:56] <pietro10> my shortcuts are set to alt + numpad+/-
[16:56] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, dunno for sure , you can use kdm and still run gnome choosing it at login , but desktop effects in kde uses it's own composting engine afaik
[16:56] <cryptk> man, lotsa updates today... every day coming home is like opening a present... I never know what bugs will be fixed (hopefully not introduced) and what packages will have new versions!
[16:57] <Pici> cryptk: Thats what apt-listchanges is for.
[16:57] <cryptk> add to that the fact that I am running natty with gnome3 and it makes it more fun!
[16:57] <cryptk> Pici, I know, I just mean that when I get home I never know what is going to show up in that list
[16:57] <Pici> Ah
[16:57] <cryptk> once I get home I check changelogs and whatnot to see what goodies I get that day/hour/minute
[16:58] <pietro10> does anyone else have a clue?
[16:58] <IdleOne> cryptk: it's like Xmas morning every day :)
[16:58] <cryptk> EXACTLY!
[16:58] <pietro10> I can say this: I'm still using the GNOME 2 at this moment; upgrade from 10.10 (which itself was upgraded from 10.04)
[16:58] <cryptk> I am running an 11.04 install with gnome3 which started years ago as an 8.04 install running a development version of KDE
[16:59] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, if you have compiz already installed , it's almost uneccesary on kde unless you're looking for really special effects , not available in desktop effects...it will run fine
[16:59] <cryptk> and at 9.10 I moved to Gnome
[16:59] <cryptk> same install, new hardware... when I changed to a larger/faster hard drive I imaged the OS install over, so I have technically been running the same install since 2008, just updating it as I go
[16:59] <yofel> heh, 9.10 was when I moved from gnome back to KDE ^^
[16:59] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: I was mostly kidding about that. I am a gnome person. KDE is nice but I just can't seem to make myself enjoy using it
[17:00] <cryptk> haha, 9.10 was a time for lots of changes then, lol
[17:00] <cryptk> KDE was too heavy for me, looked pretty but ran like crap on the hardware I had at the time
[17:00] <cryptk> Gnome 2 ran much better, and now that I am on some pretty powerful hardware, I haven't even bothered to look into how "heavy" gnome 3 is
[17:01] <BluesKaj> well , IdleOne , if you're adventurous then you could try it ...KDE seems more stable atm then what gnome is offering :)
[17:01] <BluesKaj> then=than
[17:02] <cryptk> so far I am liking 11.04 (with the exception of unity, works great on a netbook, not a fan on the desktop though)
[17:02] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: I tried a little while back for a week (3 days?) I got frustrated with it, nothing to do with KDE just like how my gnome is setup and I am used to it :/
[17:02] <cryptk> but pair up 11.04 and gnome 3 and you have one highly experimental, but nice looking and fairly well running (given the development status of the entire thing) setup
[17:03] <cryptk> brb, restarting for updates and kernel upgrade
[17:03] <IdleOne> I would like to see the Unity launcher be "movable"
[17:03] <delac> pietro10: for me, mouse works with alt+button4 (mouse scroll up = zoom in) and alt+button5 (mouse scroll down = zoom out). try those?
[17:03] <IdleOne> I think I could get used to it being on the right hand side of the screen
[17:04] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, understood ..desktops and the "look" are very important and it all boils down to taste :)
[17:04] <IdleOne> or at the bottom
[17:04] <pietro10> I'm on a laptop so I don't know how to set it to those sorry
[17:04] <pietro10> or rather, the system is on a laptop (IRC from my mac — I do cross-platform dev)
[17:04] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: yeah for me it really is about look and feel, KDE runs great I have no issues with it technically.
[17:06] <IdleOne> So, yeah. Let me move the launcher to my preferred position on the screen please. :)
[17:06] <delac> pietro10: if you have two finger scrolling enabled  from the mouse preferences, those should work.
[17:07] <achimtrf> I'm playing a video in Firefox under natty. Now when i move the mouse cursor over the controls (play, fullscreen, mute and so on) it starts flickering and the controls are white, parts of the video too. Here is a screenshot of this: http://goo.gl/9gUJP  Does anyone have an idea, where exactly i can report this bug (package)?
[17:07] <delac> pietro10: on the other hand, I gues it should work with the side scroller too...
[17:08] <ninjai> is there any way I can have 4 different wallpapaers?
[17:09] <achimtrf> three naked and the fourth when your wife is in da room? *g*
[17:10] <delac> pietro10: I did test alt++/- keys too, and they work also, so it is something on your computer only. maybe conflicting key bindings?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> achimtrf, could be a server/connection prob
[17:12] <achimtrf> BluesKaj: No, it occours straight through: Youtube, nordbayern.de, RTLnow, etc... The same thing happens if i hover the cursor over an video-link
[17:13] <achimtrf> Every time when flashplayer is in action. But it was not in maverick.
[17:13] <pietro10> delac: hold on, let me try other bindings
[17:14] <achimtrf> It also occours while playing a video and i hover the mouse over it
[17:14] <pietro10> delac: other bindings don't work either
[17:14] <BluesKaj> achimtrf, reinstall ubuntu-restricted-extras, but sudo apt-get update first
[17:15] <achimtrf> BluesKaj: Thanx - i'll try it right now - brb :)
[17:18] <pietro10> ugh
[17:18] <pietro10> yay crashes
[17:18]  * pietro10 tries reinstalling compiz
[17:20] <pietro10> ugh it still doesn't work...
[17:20] <pietro10> IDK: it's on, the keyboard shortcut is set up, and everything's set up right
[17:20] <pietro10> is there a way to reset compiz to the default settings?
[17:21] <dupondje> somebody running Gnome3 already ? :)
[17:27] <pietro10> meh gtg
[17:31] <yofel> dupondje: tried it yesterday again, still no sane gtk theme
[17:33] <yofel> somehow I feel they learned from KDE a bit. "A X.0 release is a tech preview, not something usable"... *sigh*
[17:34] <Raydiation> dupondje: yes, runs fine
[17:35] <yofel> Raydiation: and nautilus looks for you different than grey in gtk1 look?
[17:35] <yofel> gnome-shell itself works fine
[17:35] <dupondje> yofel: you need to install an additional package for gtk :p
[17:36] <yofel> which would be...?
[17:36] <dupondje> you have gnome-themes-standard installed ?
[17:37] <yofel> duh, how many packages are there? Last time someone told me to install gnome-themes, which didn't help. -standard isn't installed
[17:38] <dupondje> try to install gnome-themes-standard :D
[17:38] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-themes-standard_3.0.0-1~~build1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[17:38] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/themes/HighContrastInverse/index.theme', which is also in package gnome-accessibility-themes 3.0.0-0ubuntu1~build2
[17:38] <dupondje> thats the one
[17:38] <dupondje> purge gnome-accessibility-themes
[17:38] <dupondje> and try again :)
[17:38] <dupondje> restart gnome & enjoy
[17:39] <achimtrf> Thnx @ BluesKaj: It worked for the most video-sites. 2 are still remaining with this bug, now i try to figure out, what's the difference betwenn 'em
[17:39] <yofel> ok, let's try this again...
[17:45] <bjsnider> yofel, are you trying gnome 3?
[17:50] <cryptk> yofel, the fix that dupondje stated worked for me as well... I did it by rebooting to single user, purging the gnome-accessibility-themes package, re-running the apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot to a full GUI boot and PROFIT
[17:51] <cryptk> seems like the gnome-themes-standard package in the PPA needs to be marked as conflicts with gnome-accessibility-themes
[17:54] <ceed^> No updates today? What's going on? :)
[17:54] <yofel> bjsnider: I am
[17:54] <yofel> well, tried to. Now I never actually get to it, it just hangs itself up somewhere after login
[17:55] <bjsnider> some people have had trouble getting rid of it afterwards
[17:55] <bjsnider> so be cautious
[17:56] <bjsnider> yofel, ask ricotz in #ubuntu-x about the login issue
[17:57] <lampe2> hey i got natty runing and when i wanne start ccsm it crashes !?
[17:57] <yofel> well, I'm using KDE usually so if I can't get rid of it it's ok, I'll just purge anything related to it
[17:57] <genii-around> yofel: Every update lately was hanging for me at Checking battery state due to nvidia driver... I have now the NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-270.41.03-no-compat32.run in a dir, so I can just now alt-f1 and run it then restart kdm from there, right after which it works again
[17:58] <yofel> I'll see later again if I can get logs again from the failure, currently doing iso testing
[17:58] <yofel> genii-around: ah, could be, I am running 270.41.03 here
[18:00] <achimtrf> lampe2: That's normal... See Buglist @ Launchpad
[18:01] <lampe2> okay achimtrf
[18:01] <lampe2> thx
[18:01] <achimtrf> lampe2: especially when you en/disable a plugin
[18:01] <lampe2> achimtrf, i even cant start anything
[18:03] <achimtrf> lampe2: i only can tell you that this is a big trouble....
[18:03] <lampe2> achimtrf,  okay
[18:03] <achimtrf> If you can start it - then you can't do something....
[18:04] <achimtrf> lampe2: I gave it up yesterday to change the look and feel of my screen ;)
[18:04] <bjsnider> genii-around, the nvidia-installer will damage your ubuntu system, which is why we have our own installer
[18:04] <lampe2> ;)
[18:04] <lampe2> i installed the ati driver now the system fells a kind of lagy
[18:06] <achimtrf> lampe2: I'm happy that it works (that's not normal on every distro...). I'm not in trouble - have an radeon running. everything ok :)
[18:11] <genii-around> bjsnider: I did apt-get source nvidia-current and then used the file from there
[18:11] <bluefox83> ok, i need to know how to add a way to view my smb server to unity
[18:12] <bjsnider> genii-around, it's still the nvidia-installer
[18:13] <bluefox83> the old places -> connect to server
[18:13] <bluefox83> i need that
[18:13] <genii-around> bjsnider: Guess I'll have to go back to reverting to nouveau before updates and then reinstalling nvidia-current ... bleh...
[18:13] <SeRVeR01> hello there is there any way to remove the programs menu from the taskbar :) ?
[18:14]  * genii-around ponders what kind of damage it can cause
[18:14] <yofel> genii-around: force-overwrites X libraries
[18:15] <yofel> only the glx related things though I think, so nothing you can't find with debsums
[18:15] <bjsnider> it's a blunt-force instrument not tailored to any specific linux distro. its one and only job is to install itself come hell or high water
[18:16]  * genii-around examines the contents of the debian directory for clues
[18:18] <bjsnider> what we do with our nvidia packages is install them beside each other and use alternatives to link them to the main system so they never overwrite or replace anything
[18:18] <achimtrf> bjsnider: I was wondering about that... but now that you mention that...oO
[18:18] <bjsnider> nvidia recommends using the distro packages, not its own installer
[18:25] <nyuszika7h> Hi! I'm wondering if the Plymouth bug will be fixed in Natty...
[18:27] <bluefox83> what happened to synaptic? i didn't see it anywhere in my apps list
[18:28] <bluefox83> nevermind, found it
[18:37] <Cort> is there any way to change the icon effects on the sidebar?
[18:38] <genii-around> bjsnider: The nvidia-current.README.Debian in that package is pretty good reading and well written
[18:38] <delac> Cort: check Unity plugin in compizconfig-settings-manager. There are some settings.
[18:39] <Cort> thanks
[18:43] <robin0800> bluefox83, the connect to server menu you have to open the home folder then its in the file menu
[18:46] <bluefrog> using the search and launch page on a netbook kubuntu. click on the internet icon. applications icons appear and then "rearrange" themselves. how can I stop those icons from moving?
[18:47] <Logan_> !kubuntu | bluefrog
[19:11] <Haksell> Hello
[19:12] <Haksell> You guys know that audacious and audacious-plugins have incompatible versions in the 11.4 repo and that this makes it break?
[19:12] <Haksell> Where to report?
[19:12] <nyuszika7h> Haksell: launchpad maybe?
[19:13] <Haksell> Ok, just checking
[19:13] <arand_> Haksell do check if it's a temporary issue, these things ofyrn are since a lot of rebuilds are happening...
[19:13] <arand_> *often
[19:14] <Haksell> I'm mainly using othher distro's so that's why I asked
[19:23] <Haksell> Is there any place where I can see the rebuild statuses etc?
[19:25] <Pici> Haksell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[19:25] <Haksell> found the bug i was about to report :P
[19:28] <gizmobay> how do you get unity to work on 11.04 x64?
[19:28] <ckwalsh> Hey, I just upgraded to the beta on my netbook, and while Unity is kinda cool, there are a bunch of things that are bothering me and I'm wondering if they are configurable
[19:28] <ckwalsh> For example, the left hand menu hover delay
[19:29] <ckwalsh> And my notification icons for dropbox/keepass aren't showing up
[19:29] <ckwalsh> Any ideas?
[19:30] <maco> there isnt a notification area anymore, is there?
[19:30] <maco> there's discussion about putting it back for another release
[19:31] <ckwalsh> What the hell?
[19:31] <ckwalsh> Okay then...
[19:32] <ckwalsh> maco, Has the "normal" desktop interface been retired, or can I return to it?
[19:32] <maco> ckwalsh: the login screen has it as a session
[19:33] <ckwalsh> Be right back then...
[19:34] <Saamm> can someone help me out...I made a custom launcher and changed icon image...but unity only shows default custom launcher image :(
[19:37] <jabo5360> I just installed the upgrade of 11.04 beta, but when it finished and the system rebooted I did not get my normal grub options.  Instead it tried to go directly into Ubuntu , to finish the upgrade I guess.  But all I get is  "H.V frequency over range"  I'm sure it has to do with the new Nvidia package but I cant get into a vga mode or anything any body have an idea?
[19:37] <trism> Saamm: how did you create the custom launcher?
[19:37] <gizmobay> I must be missing the obvious
[19:37] <Saamm> right click desktop and "create launcher"
[19:38] <Saamm> trism, right click desktop and "create launcher"
[19:39] <Haksell> Saamm, can you open the launcher in a text editor?
[19:39] <Saamm> Haksell, yep
[19:40] <Haksell> There should be a line that says something like "icon=" in there, that probably points to a wrong or nonexistent file
[19:41] <Saamm> Haksell, its valid---> /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places/128/user-desktop.svg
[19:42] <Saamm> Haksell, the correct image shows up on the laucher icon but not on unity launcher dock
[19:42] <Haksell> restarted unity?
[19:43] <saege> hey there, is there an existing ppa for kde 4.6 without the standard kde-programs?
[19:43] <trism> Saamm: what did you name it? I've had some issues with app names and the launcher (I had to call my custom terminal launcher Gnome Terminal instead of just Terminal, because it would always prefer the one in /usr/share/applications)
[19:43] <Saamm> Haksell, how to restart?
[19:44] <yofel> saege: as in? we already have 4.6.2 in natty
[19:44] <Haksell> login and logout again or just reboot
[19:44] <Haksell> trism has a nice one that might be bugging too
[19:44] <Saamm> trism, there is no show desktop item on unity launcher so I made a custom launcher for it....but the icon looks bad :(
[19:45] <Saamm> trism, I named it "Show Desktop"
[19:45] <flopex> window cripples when using expo. Anyone with this problem?
[19:45] <Saamm> trism, Unity launcher is showing right name but not right icon
[19:45] <saege> yofel: oops :o so is the kdebase-workspace the right one?
[19:46] <jabo5360> I just installed the upgrade of 11.04 beta, but when it finished and the system rebooted I did not get my normal grub options.  Instead it tried to go directly into Ubuntu , to finish the upgrade I guess.  But all I get is  "H.V frequency over range"  I'm sure it has to do with the new Nvidia package but I cant get into a vga mode or anything any body have an idea?
[19:46] <yofel> saege: kdebase-workspace is 4.6.2 currently
[19:46] <yofel> saege: or what do you mean?
[19:47] <saege> yofel: well, i only want the kde-core without the kubuntu-splashscreen, kde-games and kde-programs...
[19:48] <Saamm> Haksell, I logged out and logged in but icon is still bad :(
[19:48] <yofel> saege: hm, try with kdebase-worspace and kdebase-apps as a minimum
[19:49] <saege> yofel: ok, thanks
[19:51] <trism> Saamm: did you change the icon when you created the launcher or after in the properties?
[19:51] <trism> Saamm: when I change it afterwards in the properties, then drag to the launcher, it selects the icon I picked when I created the launcher, odd
[19:52] <Haksell> trism, what's in the file? just a name or a full directory path?
[19:52] <Saamm> trism, after also i removed the absolute path and kept generic name "user-desktop", still no improvement
[19:53] <trism> Saamm: however if I delete the launcher and create a new one, selecting the icon you specified, it works
[19:53] <jabo5360> I just installed the upgrade of 11.04 beta, but when it finished and the system rebooted I did not get my normal grub options.  Instead it tried to go directly into Ubuntu , to finish the upgrade I guess.  But all I get is  "H.V frequency over range"  I'm sure it has to do with the new Nvidia package but I cant get into a vga mode or anything any body have an idea?
[19:53] <Saamm> trism, let me try
[19:55] <Haksell> jabo5360, Try hitting ctrl+alt+f2
[19:55] <trism> Haksell: ah hah, when editing it in the properties, it adds an addition Icon= line, and the launcher seems to prefer the first, while the desktop appear to take the second
[19:56] <jabo5360> Haksell:  while booting?
[19:56] <Haksell> jabo5360, when it's past booting
[19:57] <Haksell> If you can't get a graphical interface, we want a text-based one.
[19:57] <Haksell> If you have ssh on the box that might work too
[19:57] <Haksell> trism, interesting
[19:58] <Haksell> But logical, cause the slackware box i'm on now with XFCE does the same and uses the same format for launchers
[19:58] <jabo5360> doesn't get past booting, just to the screen H.V frequency over rang, but I'll give it a try
[19:58] <Saamm> trism, wow now it shows correct icon....i created a new launcher but changed the icon at the time of creating it and not oafterwards
[19:59] <Haksell> jabo5360, It might get past booting, but we can't see it, because what you see is probably an error from your monitor
[19:59] <stojabreak> hi !
[20:00] <jabo5360> If I do get to a text base screen how do I fix the problem?
[20:00] <Haksell> It'll prompt you for a login
[20:00] <Haksell> you have set that one up during the installation
[20:00] <Haksell> log in
[20:00] <jabo5360> K I'll give it a shot
[20:01] <stojabreak> I have frequently mini freezes in my laptop Asus n61jq
[20:01] <Saamm> trism, wow what abug
[20:02] <Haksell> Saamm, someone didn't hit shift while coding :-)
[20:03] <Saamm> trism, do you think this is unity or gnome 2x bug...
[20:03] <Saamm> Haksell, ahaha
[20:04] <stojabreak> how can disable HPET in Natty ?
[20:04] <Haksell> If you can reporduce this, file it, regardless of the fact if it's a unity or gnome2x bug, it'll get to the right person eventually
[20:05] <Saamm> Haksell, will have to report a bit long and painful bug with screen shots hehe...can't explain it in two lines ;D
[20:07] <Haksell> <thing you used to create launcher here> outputs "icon=" instead of "Icon=" into the desktop launcher file. As a result the icon is not shown.
[20:08] <Haksell> You mean something like this?
[20:10] <Saamm> Haksell, That seems fine...thanks...i will file a bug....but its not only about 'i' in icon...I thinks it also creates an extra redundant line...nevermind I will file the bug
[20:11] <Haksell> Saamm, it's easy once you get the hang of it. But examples always help :-)
[20:14] <Saamm> Haksell, I also got this another thing BTW....I am using command "xdotool key Control+Alt+d" in launcher..but the icon on unity keeps pulsating and works only for the first time....is there a way to end this command once I click it?
[20:15] <trism> Saamm: yeah, I'm not sure, would go with a unity bug, and they can possibly change it to nautilus later (I'm not really sure what the correct behavior should be, but it should be consistent between the two)
[20:15] <Haksell> I don't have a clue on that one, never used xdotool
[20:15] <Saamm> Haksell, all right
[20:16] <trism> Saamm: it will work again after it stops pulsating (in about 5 seconds), had a similar issue the other day
[20:16] <Haksell> trism, I'm sure the dev's will figure it out.
[20:16] <Saamm> trism, ok then unity it is
[20:17] <BajK> if I now install Natty Beta (or tommor Beta2) on my notebook will it then upgrade to a fully final version once it is out when doing apt-get dist-upgrade or are there then still some "beta remains" leftover?
[20:17] <Saamm> trism, oh yeah it works after 5 seconds but its too annoying not being able to click twice successively
[20:18] <trism> Saamm: I agree
[20:18] <Haksell> BajK, It should update fully except for the changes you make to your system and the configuration in your home directory
[20:19] <baslisks> hey
[20:19] <baslisks> does anyone know of any problems with sunjava or openjava not installing right in 11.4?
[20:20] <BajK> Haksell: so it is safe to install it now? since I cannot wait for the 2.6.38 kernel and all the other improvements it brings :P
[20:21] <Haksell> You have to decide for yourself if it's safe to install beta software that's being heavely updated
[20:22] <BajK> Haksell: it's just my notebook^^ my regular machine runs on solid LTS :)
[20:22] <serenity> hi
[20:22] <serenity> here can i find the config from cpufreq?
[20:22] <yofel> baslisks: openjdk installed fine, and from what I know sun-java6 does too
[20:22] <baslisks> alright, what would be the best way for me to debug whats happening?
[20:30] <baslisks> best way to downgrade from 11.4 to 10.10 or 10.4?
[20:32] <guntbert> baslisks: downgrade is not supported™
[20:32] <baslisks> so back up the data and redo it
[20:32] <baslisks> got it
[20:34] <semitones> hey you guys, is the "ubuntu startup disk creator" the same as unetbootin?
[20:36] <guntbert> semitones: similar purpose, different program
[20:36] <psusi> semitones: they do very similar things, but are very different programs
[20:37] <delac_> semitones: ubuntu starup disk creator is only for ubuntu based distros
[20:37] <psusi> startup-disk creator only works with Ubuntu afaik, but unetbootin works with just about every distro out there
[20:37] <Logan_> !downgrade | baslisks
[20:38] <semitones> guntbert, psusi, delac_ thanks :)
[20:38] <semitones> to your knowledge, is there a way to alter the startup usb so it boots straight to "try ubuntu" instead of giving you the choice to install"\
[20:38] <semitones> so I could use it as a persistant USB natty installation
[20:39] <psusi> I'm sure you can, just not sure exactly how... probably need to edit the syslinux config files
[20:43] <BajK> now I have 10.10 32bit installed (i used the wrong iso to create an usb because I have a lot of isos for virtualbox and stuff of ubuntu) and want to install 11.04 64bit, i format the root partition and keep /home
[20:43] <BajK> this won't generate problems would it? since therer are no exectables or whatever ont he /home just configs
[20:44] <acicula> BajK: correct
[20:44] <BajK> ok :)
[20:44] <BajK> wuhu
[20:44] <BajK> *generating usb*
[20:44] <BajK> I hope in natty the kernel headers work, in 10.10 when building a kernel module using the mainline 2.6.38 kernel from the kernel ppa (i installed linux-headers as well!) it said /lib/kernel/whatever/headers not existing, but we'll see :D
[20:45] <acicula> anyone got gnome-shell 3.0 running on 11.04? i have to manually restart it after login because it either never starts or exits
[20:46] <penguinbait> hello, I am trying to download packages for 11.04 armel, and I am working in chroot.  I can see the packages on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/xserver-xorg-video-omapfb but I cannot find aptitude my sources = http://pastebin.com/3jwZgFkd      any idea what should I add or enable, or add?
[20:46] <acicula> BajK: under /lib/modules/<yourkernel> there is a directory that symlinks to some headers i think
[20:54] <BajK> so, now we'll see if kubuntu 11.04's installer is still as bad as 10.10'S
[20:54] <BajK> and it seems so
[20:54] <BajK> *waiting for partitioning program to load*
[20:54] <semitones> ok
[20:54] <semitones> would it be better to install natty to a USB drive
[20:54] <semitones> or make the 'live usb' persistant
[20:54] <BajK> and even a nice addition, whenever a new window appears the screen flashes
[20:55] <semitones> if my goal is to have a persistant natty installation on a usb drive
[20:55] <yofel> BajK: what image?
[20:55] <BajK> my usb stick is just 1 gb and yes, I have a persistent live on my 250gb external
[20:55] <BajK> yofel: kubuntu 11.04 beta1 amd64
[20:55] <BajK> at least it feels a bit better and still Kubuntu's installer does not recognize any networking besides a cable
[20:55] <yofel> BajK: can you retry with a beta2 candidate image to see if it still fails? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[20:57] <BajK> yofel: sure
[20:57] <BajK> what's that "mandatory" 7/7 stand for?
[20:57] <yofel> BajK: those are testcases reports, 7 of seven mandatory test done
[20:57] <BajK> ah, *downloading*
[20:58] <BajK> it was kind of nice in Mythbuntu (which has a similar installer to Ubuntu), it features a full capable networking configuration during setup.
[20:58] <BajK> in my living room I dont have internet yet, so I plugged in my smartfone via USB wifi tethering and it was recognized fine
[20:58] <BajK> Kubuntu's installer requires a wired network
[20:59] <yofel> I think ubuntus destkop image requires that too, but I'm not really sure there
[20:59] <BajK> I dont know but it recognized a usb tethering! I doubt kubuntu does it, it doesnt even offer me to connect to my wifi
[21:00] <BajK> but well, it's always handy to have a ethernet cable lying around somewhere *g*
[21:00] <Daekdroom> This is sad. shntools says I don't have flac.
[21:01] <beefman> has anyone gotten it to work on mac?  i've put the natty-desktop-amd64+mac disc image on a usb stick using unetbootin and it won't recognize that it's bootable.
[21:02] <beefman> but it did recognize that the non-mac 11.04 beta x64 on a stick was bootable, just crashed while booting
[21:02] <dajhorn> How can I disable the maximize-window-at-top-edge feature in Natty?
[21:02] <BajK> yofel: *creating usb disk*
[21:03] <yofel> beefman: which image did you use?
[21:03] <yofel> beta1?
[21:07] <BajK> yofel: ok so I will now use the iso from the page you provided
[21:08] <beefman> yes
[21:08] <BajK> man how I love that plymouth splash on that glossy display, it looks sooo damn noble
[21:09] <semitones> Are there any problems with installing natty on a usb flash drive
[21:09] <BajK> semitones: I am doing it right now :D I can keep you tuned^^
[21:09] <BajK> ok, not ubuntu but kubuntu which has a different installer
[21:10] <beefman> yofel: err no, i used the daily build for mac
[21:10] <BajK> yofel: it is even worse here
[21:10] <semitones> BajK, awesome :D
[21:10] <beefman> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:10] <yofel> BajK: ouch, what happened?
[21:10] <semitones> BajK, i'm trying to decide whether to use the persistant feature of the live usb to have a permanent install :P
[21:10] <beefman> but i used the beta also.  it recognized the bootable device but hung before booting
[21:10] <semitones> that i can install programs on and keep up to date
[21:11] <semitones> or whether i should try what you are trying
[21:11] <BajK> yofel: I click on a partition, then the whole screen turns grey  (window background color) with garbled text (probably of the window that is being opened) for a second and then the new window appears
[21:11] <BajK> and double clicking a partition to edit it doesnt work, I need to click on "Change" everytime
[21:11] <jabo5360> Upgraded to 11.04, things seem OK but I cant get it to recognize my thumb drive but it does mount my 250 gig one touch drive , any ideas
[21:12] <yofel> BajK: please file a bug with 'sudo ubuntu-bug ubiquity' about the double clicking, not sure where the screen flashing comes from though
[21:14] <BajK> yofel: and two minor layout things: the dropdown box for the Filesystem is one entry too small, so I need to scroll up one entry (ext4) everytime which is annoying, also the area wshere it says "boot loader" is a few pixels too small and so it shows a vertical scroll bar here, and the partition area is almost untranslated
[21:15] <BajK> also the screen flashes whenever I expand a scrollbar (so every element that is not directly part of the ubiquity window thing makes the screen flash)
[21:15] <skramer_> hi everybody. I have a problem with Akonadi on Kubuntu Natty: After every system start, I need to "sudo aa-complain mysqld-akonadi" and then "akonadictl start", otherwise Akonadi is not working. Anybody knows how to solve that, so that Akonadi would start automatically without the need to put these commands first?
[21:17] <yofel> skramer_: anything in syslog? it works fine here, so you probably changes some folder settings which makes apparmor think you're not allowed to run akonadi
[21:17] <yofel> *changed
[21:18] <BajK> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/760196
[21:18] <dajhorn> To disable maximizing a window at the top edge of the screen:  Run `ccsm`, click "Window Management", and disable the "Grid" plugin.
[21:20] <skramer_> yofel: there are few messages like this one: "Apr 13 21:55:58 laptop kernel: [  149.491181] type=1400 audit(1302724558.814:34): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" parent=3424 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi" name="/usr/sbin/mysqld" pid=3426 comm="mysqld-akona
[21:20] <skramer_> di" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=1000 ouid=0"
[21:23] <yofel> yep, that's the apparmor rejection message, but /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi does give it access to mysqld:
[21:23] <yofel>   /usr/sbin/mysqld cx,
[21:26] <beefman> does the daily build not make a bootable cd?
[21:26] <BajK> woho, install complete :)
[21:26] <BajK> can't this dialog be a bit more noble than a simple dialog in front of a black background that sports the X server cursor?
[21:27] <BajK> oh and well nothing happens. so it seems i am not supposed to remove the usb drive until it is shut down? :D
[21:27] <skramer_> yofel: I have three different files in /etc/apparmor.d: usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi, usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi.current, usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi .dpkg-dist
[21:28] <skramer_> yofel: each of them has different file size
[21:28] <yofel> ok, that... sounds like debconf didn't do it's just right at some point because the profile was changed recently
[21:29] <BajK> so far, everything works
[21:29] <yofel> try to 'sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends akonadi-server', remove any leftover files and install it again
[21:29] <BajK> even my pinned programs are still there yay
[21:33] <dupondje> seems like not many people are on Gnome 3 already eh :)
[21:34] <WWW> when is the new ubuntu coming out
[21:34] <dupondje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[21:36] <BajK> yeah nice, networkmanager notifications work and bluetooth works out of the box now :)
[21:36] <BajK> and bluedevil is evne fully translated, thanks to me :D
[21:37] <skramer_> yofel: ok, before I restart   my system: do you have an idea why Dolphin always segfaults when I close it?
[21:37] <yofel> no, doesn't crash here
[21:37] <shane4ubuntu> is it true that Natty by default is going to unity for all systems?  Desktop and notebook?
[21:37] <yofel> except if I try to enable infos for camera raw files, then it always crashes
[21:38] <skramer_> hmm..... anyway, I'll  reboot now & see if Akonadi is working...
[21:38] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: yes
[21:38] <BajK> NICE! I'm going to love natty :) bluetooth works, sewnding and receiving files :) strigi indexer applet is back, wow :)
[21:38] <WWW> shane4ubuntu: can you tell me what is the unity thing
[21:38] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: wow, I just read that, I didn't realize that, I thought unity was only for netbooks, but I see now that isn't true.
[21:39] <dupondje> half of the things crashes here :p but maby thats because of Gnome 3 /P
[21:39] <yofel> !unity
[21:39] <shane4ubuntu> WWW: it is Canonicals own desktop system, I don't know much about it either.
[21:40] <WWW> is ubuntu going to look more and more like aqua?
[21:41] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: thanks for those links that is what I was looking for info. :)
[21:42] <WWW> thats the enw thing like when you are downloading a new program you can leave a comment  and things like that?
[21:43] <WWW> hmmm my ubuntu will be more and more online connecting with other ubuntus? sharing my information to others?
[21:43] <BajK> so, now the whole procedure of rebuilding kernel modules for the acpi stuff and applying bug fixes (brightness etc) and performance thinggs (prelink, render backend)
[21:44] <Siavash> everything looks so ugly in nayytb1, I guess gnome-setting-daemon problem, but forcing it to run with a delay didn't help, the error in xsession-errors is "** (gnome-settings-daemon:3169): WARNING **: Ignoring unknown module 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.gconf'"
[21:44] <Siavash> any solution?
[21:44] <BajK> is it just me or is natty like 10 time sfaster than maverick? does that bkl and task grouping thing improve it so much?
[21:45] <WWW> BajK:  in booting or daily usage
[21:45] <BajK> launching applications for example or yes regular usage
[21:45] <BajK> boot, dunnow, just started it once so far^
[21:46] <WWW> BajK: so now the panel works like in mac os x like aqua
[21:46] <BajK> hm?
[21:46] <yofel> oh, you mean the application menu now being in the panel? Yeah, that's mac style
[21:47] <gavdari> everything looks so ugly in nayytb1, I guess gnome-setting-daemon problem, but forcing it to run with a delay didn't help, the error in xsession-errors is "** (gnome-settings-daemon:3169): WARNING **: Ignoring unknown module 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.gconf'"
[21:47] <BajK> I'm a KDE user :P
[21:47] <WWW> even better
[21:47] <WWW> how do you like the new kde 4.6
[21:47] <BajK> WWW: it's great but the new notifications are quite buggy
[21:48] <WWW> kde was always buggy :D
[21:48] <BajK> but that makes me really happy that Bluetooth works ootb
[21:50] <gavdari> Well, I guess I'll have to move back to kubuntu when 11.04 is released
[21:50] <WWW> why?
[21:50] <gavdari> I hate unity
[21:50] <gavdari> gnome3 is very buggy and basic right now
[21:50] <yofel> we'll be happy to welcome you, but you could stick to gnome2 too
[21:50] <WWW> i dont understand it
[21:50] <gavdari> and I don't like the way gnome classic behaves
[21:50] <skramer_> yofel: after I re-installed akonadi-server it works now without any problem
[21:51] <skramer_> thank you
[21:51] <yofel> np :)
[21:51]  * yofel does prefer gnome-shell over unity though tbh
[21:51] <WWW> as i read the gnome ppl helped kde with the new 4.6.2
[21:52] <gavdari> me 2, at lease gnome shell shows some improvements over gnome 2.*
[21:52] <yofel> though I can't get myself to really like it either, having to click on activities every time I want to switch between apps gets annoying fast
[21:52] <gavdari> I don't understand the reason behind switching to unity
[21:52] <WWW> can some one explain unity in simple words
[21:52] <yofel> WWW: not really, but they are trying to get better at communicating between the projects, so some efforts are indeed shared now
[21:53] <gavdari> WWW: it is the UI which was used in ubuntu netbook versions instead of gnome, but canonical has decided to use it for ubuntu too
[21:53] <dupondje> yofel: after some days you get used to Gnome3 .. but still it feels weird
[21:53] <nattytones> WWW, it's ubuntu's answer to Mac's Dock and Windows' Awesome bar -- more better way of accessing programs and windows than what we had before
[21:54] <nattytones> it's also kind of like spotlight
[21:54] <gavdari> to be honest, it is very good on notebook or some portable devices with small screen size
[21:54] <gavdari> sorry, netbooks
[21:54] <BajK> ah and the touchpad is recognized as well, yeah :D unfortunately it doesnt recognize its a multitouch pad
[21:54] <WWW> so no "desktop" you cant put icons on the desktop?
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[21:54] <nattytones> WWW, not correct
[21:54] <nattytones> same desktop as before
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> question: to apply security updates, is using apt-get upgrade enough
[21:55] <nattytones> WWW, its like an extra panel
[21:55] <nattytones> on the left hand side
[21:55] <rww> Ian_Corne: yes
[21:55] <Ian_Corne> or should I use dist-upgrade to upgrade for example the kernel version
[21:55] <nattytones> and there's no panel on the bottom in natty
[21:55] <Ian_Corne> ok
[21:55] <rww> !dist-upgrade
[21:55] <nattytones> www^
[21:55] <Ian_Corne> I read about that :)
[21:55] <rww> just upgrade should work fine.
[21:55] <gavdari> it's a dock on the left side of the screen, but the upperside panel is almost useless
[21:55] <yofel> BajK: multitouch works for me in so far that I can now use two finger scroll on my thinkpad, which is enough to make me happy :)
[21:55] <nattytones> rww, you are 66% similar to WWW
[21:55] <gavdari> it's application is nowhere near gnome-panel
[21:55] <nattytones> rww unless you are case sensitive
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> but i conclude that security patches are done to the 'old' kernel version like 2.6.32-28 when 2.6.32-30 is available
[21:56] <WWW> :D
[21:57] <rww> nattytones: I am
[21:57] <WWW> nattytones:  can you move the "launch bar"the unity thing
[21:57] <yofel> Ian_Corne: I don't think so, they are applied to the latest 2.6.32 kernel in use, thus -30
[21:57] <gavdari> WWW: I don't think so
[21:57] <nattytones> WWW, i'll try it right now
[21:57] <BajK> yofel: hm kubuntu just says "How many fingers does the touchpad recognize? 1"
[21:57] <yofel> Ian_Corne: if they break the ABI, the patched kernel will be -31
[21:57] <BajK> and it seems nothing works... neither scrolling vertically nor horizontally nor mouse button emulation in one corner
[21:58] <BajK> even though it is configured and the touchpad things all are configurable and set
[21:58] <Ian_Corne> so to apply all security updates, one should use dist-upgrade ?
[21:58] <yofel> ah sad, here it says 3 for my touchpad, but I only seem to get 2 fingers to work
[21:58] <WWW> nattytones: is it movable or at least removable
[21:58] <yofel> Ian_Corne: yes
[21:58] <nattytones> WWW, it's not obvious how to move it -- i can't find out how
[21:58] <BajK> yofel: hmm any idea? it says "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint" for device name
[21:58] <Ian_Corne> be happy you have 2 :( my touchpad is recongnised only as a ps/2 mouse :(
[21:58] <nattytones> WWW, you can go without it though
[21:59] <Ian_Corne> ok thanks yofel
[21:59] <WWW> thanks nattytones
[21:59] <nattytones> WWW, when you login, you can choose "classic desktop" or something
[21:59] <yofel> BajK: no sorry, mine's a SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[21:59] <nattytones> "you have 0 bytes remaining" :p
[22:00] <yofel> nattytones: *that* is _not_ good :P
[22:00] <nattytones> yofel, i'm just gonna ignore that :p
[22:01] <nattytones> dang now firefox is crashing
[22:01] <WWW> firefox 4?
[22:01] <yofel> we have ffx4 in natty, yes
[22:01] <nattytones> firefox-bin is how you start it from terminal, right?
[22:02] <yofel> nope, firefox
[22:02] <simon__> i'va problems upgrading from maverick
[22:02] <yofel> firefox-bin is the actual file, needs some scripted setup to be run correctly though
[22:02] <WWW> you want to start it as su?
[22:02] <simon__> it have and error calculating chaanges and wont upgrade
[22:02] <nattytones> cool
[22:02] <nattytones> I wonder why natty's clock doesn't tell the weather the way maverick did
[22:03] <WWW> simon__:  try apt-get update before
[22:03] <simon__> neither by iso(from the computer) nor liveusb(it works in another pc but it doesn't in mine)
[22:03] <nattytones> "The application had a problem and crashed. Unfortunately, the crash reporter is unable to submit a report for this crash. Details: The application did not identify itself."
[22:03] <simon__> WWW, i dont have any obsolete package
[22:03] <nit-wit> simon__, do you have all your stuff backed up
[22:04] <simon__> nit-wit, yes i do
[22:04] <nit-wit> cool
[22:05] <nattytones> huh, cool
[22:05] <nattytones> now ubuntu has view in the system bar
[22:05] <nit-wit> simon__, you might consider installing natty in its own partition, I have only found the xubuntu version tolerable myself.
[22:05] <nattytones> just like mac :) (I always felt it to be more logical up there)
[22:06] <simon__> nit-wit i dont have cds and my computer wont boot by usblive
[22:06] <simon__> (but the usb live works in other computer)
[22:06] <nit-wit> simon__, bummer, does the computer not bot a usb at all.
[22:07] <nit-wit> *boot
[22:07] <BajK> yeah, i just restarted and no nothing happens..
[22:07] <BajK> grub appears (it's now ubuntu puirple by default :D)
[22:07] <BajK> and then the screen stays black
[22:07] <simon__> nit-wit i configured the bios but it still wont boot, it gave me "boot error"
[22:07] <BajK> Kernel panic - not syncing
[22:07] <BajK> Attempted to kill init!
[22:08] <nit-wit> BajK, het e at the grub menu and replace splash with nomodeset and see if you boot in in low graphics
[22:08] <BajK> Pid: 1, comm: init Tainted: G   D 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu
[22:08] <nit-wit> simon__, how did you load the thumb?
[22:09] <nattytones> yofel, i think this 0 bytes of space thing is causing problems after all
[22:09] <nit-wit> simon__, ther is a boot from menu outside the bios a key prompt gets you there mine is f12
[22:09] <simon__> sorry i duno what is a thumb(i speak spanish)
[22:09] <BajK> nit-wit: ah, now I get some kernel messages and boot messages, ah now it starts
[22:09] <BajK> I think it has to do with the weird entry
[22:09] <simon__> mine is "enter"
[22:09] <nit-wit> simon__, a pendrive a usb flash is that what you using?
[22:09] <BajK> "gfxpayload=$linux_graphics_config"
[22:09] <BajK> shouldnt there be a value?
[22:10] <yofel> nattytones: it is, most applications need some space, esp. firefox
[22:10] <simon__> a datatraveler 2.0 kingston
[22:11] <nit-wit> simon__, are you familiar with the out of the bios boot from menu?
[22:11] <yofel> BajK: $linux_graphics_config has a value probably? That's auto-recognised now somehow, or at least supposed to be
[22:11] <BajK> ah ok
[22:11] <BajK> hm
[22:11] <BajK> i tried setting it manually
[22:11] <simon__> i don't get you
[22:11] <BajK> maybe I can strip it down a bit and see which parameter causes it
[22:11] <simon__> you mean a log¿?
[22:11] <BajK> yofel: yep, this param was it definitly
[22:11] <BajK> now it starts (but no plymouth)
[22:12] <yofel> BajK: you could set 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text' in /etc/default/grub as a workaround, but file a bug first
[22:13] <nit-wit> simon__, So you can set the bios to read a media device first like the HD or a usb, cd, floppy. You can get a menu of these choices with a key propmt at powering on Like you would do to get to the bios. On my computer I get that menu with a f12 prompt, your may be different thus is a per session prompt.
[22:14] <nit-wit> simon__, sometimes ytou have to do this to get something to boot, and how did you load the thumb?
[22:14] <simon__> yes, yes, i configured it
[22:14] <nit-wit> HOW
[22:14] <simon__> the priority is my usb device,
[22:15] <simon__> second cdrom and third is hard disk
[22:15] <nit-wit> simon__, read carefully what I posted, first answer the way that you loaded the usb. I'm giving you a way of bypassing the bios menu to choose the usb to boot.
[22:15] <ubuntuguy__> I installed ubuntu 11.04 on my usb using disk creator. There was an option to reserve space on the usb drive so I can download stuff etc, so I did. I just want to know where it's being reserved... I know it's reserving because when I finished with the bootable cd, I turned off my computer, turned it back on, loaded ubuntu 11.04 from usb again and all my settings/ changes were there
[22:16] <BajK> ubuntuguy__: that's whjat that preserved space is for ;)
[22:16] <ubuntuguy__> Where does it save though?
[22:16] <ubuntuguy__> on my usb
[22:16] <ubuntuguy__> or computer?
[22:16] <delac_> ubuntuguy__: usb
[22:16] <ubuntuguy__> Thanks
[22:17] <BajK> one thing that always bugged me: why isn't there a script that installs common bug fixes on startup? something that detects "ah you got an Acer Aspire 3820, so you need a fix here to fix the screen brightness and a fix here to fix the touchpad" but no we have to do all the same s*** on ever fresh install
[22:17] <BajK> i mean sure that there are bugs and stuff but many things are common issues that should be known
[22:18] <delac_> ubuntuguy__: but do note that they are not in a human readable format there, but in a one single file
[22:18] <ubuntuguy__> oh, what's the files name?
[22:18] <nit-wit> ubuntuguy, it saves in the casper-rw file
[22:18] <ubuntuguy__> with all the saves
[22:18] <ubuntuguy__> thanks
[22:18] <ubuntuguy__> guys
[22:18] <simon__> i'm sure it's charging by the usb 'cause it gave me a "boot erro" but if i quit the usb and press enter, it will start
[22:18] <ubuntuguy__> <3
[22:18] <ubuntuguy__> best community ever, I swear
[22:19] <BajK> yofel: so that stupid payload thing dfefinitly was the cause
[22:19] <nit-wit> simon__, how did you load the usb?
[22:19] <BajK> I just removed it and BAM it works
[22:19] <BajK> so, now I need to look where I can permantently remove it, somewhere in grub's auto-detect scripts
[22:19] <simon__> how i did put the os in it?
[22:19] <nit-wit> yes
[22:19] <ubuntuguy__> One last question: I'm using a netbook, the applications thingy in ubuntu 11.04, how do I make it not take up my full screen?
[22:20] <simon__> with unetbootin and usb creator(it comes with ubuntu)
[22:20] <simon__> btw, it works in other computer
[22:20] <delac_> ubuntuguy__: you mean the Dash, that comes up when you click the Ubuntu logo?
[22:21] <nit-wit> simon__, what is the computer that wont boot the thumb
[22:21] <ubuntuguy__> Correct
[22:21] <delac_> ubuntuguy__: I dont think there is any way to do that on netbook. At least I havent found a way.
[22:21] <ubuntuguy__> Alright, thanks man, cool
[22:21] <nit-wit> ubuntuguy, you can build a larger then 4 gig casper-rw if you want more space and the usb is big enough
[22:21] <BajK> got it, it is "set gfxpayload=\$linux_gfx_mode
[22:21] <BajK> thjis \ shouldnt be there?
[22:21] <simon__> my computer wint boot it :(
[22:22] <simon__> wont*
[22:22] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I'm going to do that now
[22:22] <BajK> oh well, it should
[22:22] <BajK> but there are missing brackets
[22:22] <nit-wit> simon__, correct what is the model and manufacturer?
[22:22] <saege> hey, have anyone the problem that gwibber dont post messages in twitter?
[22:22] <simon__> of motherboard?
[22:22] <yofel> BajK: as I said, set it manually
[22:23] <BajK> ok
[22:23] <nit-wit> simon no I looking fr like mine a acerasoire d250
[22:23] <yofel> in /etc/default/grub
[22:23] <nit-wit> *for
[22:23] <yofel> text was the old behaviour
[22:23] <ubuntuguy> Can't wait for this release
[22:23] <ubuntuguy> So the bigger my usb, the more space I can reserve?
[22:23] <BajK> yofel: won't help there
[22:24] <simon__> acerasoire?accesories?
[22:24] <BajK> I removedit from /etc/grub.d/10_linux
[22:24] <yofel> BajK: and the next grub update will add it back
[22:24] <yofel> really, set 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text' and it will stick
[22:24] <BajK> maybe the next grub doesnt have this bux
[22:24] <shane4ubuntu> does unity pick the settings off of gnome-menu or panel or something, I installed unity to give it a test drive in my 10.10, and it's  umm, ugly? and not very functional, I'm assuming it isn't setup right.
[22:24] <nit-wit> simon__, I want to look on google for the persession key prompt for your computer to see if this will work, this is not a new area for me, and have found many users just needing to know this method.
[22:24] <nattytones> i think maybe that i have 0 bytes
[22:24] <yofel> BajK: it will have it, file a bug too, this shouldn't happen
[22:24] <simon__> 2gb of ram ddr2 core 2 duo 2.5ghz maverick a video card integrated
[22:25] <nattytones> because i made so much space for persistance in the ubuntu startup creator
[22:25] <nattytones> like
[22:25] <nattytones> i moved the slider all the way to the maximum
[22:25] <nattytones> "oh, this will give me most space"
[22:25] <nattytones> but maybe that took up space
[22:25] <nit-wit> simon__, the model and manufacturer, is it a HP, Dell...........etc and the model
[22:25] <shane4ubuntu> brb
[22:26] <simon__> mmm no, it is not from a brand
[22:26] <simon__> i assembled(?)
[22:26] <BajK> man I love that system, even my wifi password and everything is still there, just said "enable wifi", bam, connected :)
[22:26] <simon__> is*
[22:26] <nit-wit> simon__, alright I have tried here and probably have the fix for you but you seem assured that you are correct goo luck I give up.
[22:29] <BajK> so and now we just need to configure that multitouch thing (yofel i found a topic about that in ubuntu forums^^) and change plymouth and grub background to match the KDE theme and now everythings fine
[22:31] <BajK> hm now networking doesnt work, both wired and wireless hang at "getting network address"
[22:33] <ubuntuguy> ubuntu beta 2 is coming out tomorrow
[22:33] <ubuntuguy> almost forgot
[22:38] <BajK> huh? "Boot a list of commands: alloc magic is broken at 0x92ed9720 Aborted."
[22:40] <BajK> okay my X fuzzing was the problem, but lol that this prevents the system from booting^^
[22:41] <torchie> installing hfsplus
[22:41] <torchie> how do you know when the "ldcnofig deferred processing" is done and it's safe to plug in the drive
[22:47] <ubuntuguy> I'm loving unity so far
[22:50] <ckwalsh> I know the dissent of one person isn't going to change anything, particularly now, but there are a couple things, particularly the lack of a notification bar, that have been nothing me. What's the appropriate place to chime in for these things?
[22:51] <torchie> I'd love unity if I wasn't on a dv6000
[22:53] <gordonjcp> I'm enjoying unity more now I've got rid of the big ugly drop shadows, put the menu bar back at the top of the app window, put the window buttons on the right side where they're meant to be and various other wee bugfixes
[22:53] <gordonjcp> what I'm not enjoying is the lack of a weather applet - seriously, what the hell, guys?
[22:53] <gordonjcp> the lack of a volume control
[22:53] <gordonjcp> I mean really, it's a volume control! It *used to* work, how did you manage to break it?
[22:54] <ckwalsh> gordonjcp, Yup
[22:54] <gordonjcp> I don't like the left bar with the squares
[22:54] <gordonjcp> and I don't not being able to add launchers to the top panel
[22:54] <ckwalsh> But irc doesn't seem like the right place to dissent - I'm hesitant to use the word "complain"
[22:54] <ckwalsh> I'd rather put my $0.02 in where it's more productive
[22:55] <ubuntuguy> Man, I wished ubuntu changed the email client
[22:55] <ckwalsh> Webmail ftw
[22:55] <BajK> seems networking is somehow broken
[22:55] <ceed^> ubuntuguy, from Evolution?
[22:55] <BajK> there pops up "your system encountered a serious kernel issued" and networking doesnt work
[22:55] <ubuntuguy> Yes
[22:55] <ubuntuguy> evolution sucks
[22:55] <gordonjcp> yeah
[22:56] <Superstar> Has anyone upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10 without issues? Would there be much difference from uprgading and doing a fresh installation aside from retaining settings and customisations?
[22:56] <ceed^> ubuntuguy, works with our groupware and I'm used to it, so I don't mind.
[22:56] <gordonjcp> evolution has some egregiously nasty bugs that no-one wants to admit are there
[22:56] <ckwalsh> Superstar, I just did this morning
[22:56] <ubuntuguy> It takes forever to get my emails on 10.10
[22:56] <gordonjcp> there's a real showstopper bug in evolution
[22:56] <ckwalsh> My first successful ubuntu upgrade, and this is starting from 8.10
[22:56] <Superstar> ckwalsh, how are you finding it?
[22:56] <ckwalsh> It defaulted to unity, but wasn't too hard to switch back to "classic"
[22:57] <gordonjcp> I'd be embarrassed to release evolution in its current non-functional state
[22:57] <ceed^> gordonjcp, the main issue right now seems to be that Google contacts can't be synced. Only on natty though
[22:57] <ckwalsh> I'm not noticing many changes
[22:57] <gordonjcp> ceed^: no, the main issue is that you can't reply to HTML emails as plain text
[22:57] <ckwalsh> (I'm on a netbook if it makes a difference to you)
[22:57] <gordonjcp> ceed^: it's been like that for years
[22:57] <ceed^> gordonjcp, doesn't bother me. Email client is a personal preference matter. Always strong opinions on what's good or bad
[22:57] <gordonjcp> ceed^: when you reply, it kind of half-removes the formatting from HTML but you can only select the entire text of the reply - which is sent with HTML tags in
[22:58] <Superstar> ckwalsh, what about performance? does it feel stable to you?
[22:58] <gordonjcp> and it forces you to always top-post when replying to HTML email
[22:58] <Superstar> personal opinion^^
[22:58] <ckwalsh> Superstar, Seems so, but I haven't taxed it at all
[22:58] <ceed^> gordonjcp, I don't read html mail if I can avoid it. :)
[22:59] <ckwalsh> Well that's interesting
[22:59] <ceed^> next we'll have html in IM and SMS. I don't want it
[22:59] <gordonjcp> ceed^: it must be nice to have the choice
[22:59] <BajK> ok seemed to be a dhcp issue, manually it works fine
[22:59] <ckwalsh> The battery meter says "Laptop Battery 4:50 left" twice
[22:59] <gordonjcp> ceed^: unfortunately, some people insist on sending it
[22:59] <Superstar> ckwalsh ok thanks anyway i'll do a little research first
[22:59] <ckwalsh> Any ideas?
[22:59] <vacho> i want to try ubuntu 11.04 .. where do I download the desktop version?
[22:59] <ceed^> gordonjcp, for my work mail I have to read it at times.
[23:00] <Juest> vacho: google it
[23:00] <ckwalsh> I always upgrade a couple weeks before, so I don't have to race people on the update servers on release day
[23:00] <ceed^> gordonjcp, I think most people who send html mail doesn't even know they're doing it
[23:00] <Juest> ok, i want to root my ubuntu 10.10
[23:00] <crazedpsyc> hello, anybody know how to skip updating unimportant packages during a distro upgrade?
[23:00] <ckwalsh> Juest, Huh?
[23:00] <gordonjcp> Juest: O_o
[23:01] <gordonjcp> Juest: I suggest you keep your private life out of the channel... ;-)
[23:01] <ckwalsh> crazedpsyc, The package lists are completely separate. Pretty sure it's all or nothing
[23:01] <Juest> crazedpsyc, use update manager to uncheck them
[23:01] <IdleOne> gordonjcp: if you look in the evolution settings you will see that you do have the choice to top or bottom post. you can also chose to quote the text or not in replies.
[23:01] <Juest> i just want to root the system
[23:01] <ceed^> IdleOne,
[23:01] <vacho> Juest: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta#Download%20Beta
[23:01] <Juest> not just su
[23:01] <ceed^> ooops
[23:02] <vacho> what link
[23:02] <vacho> so confusing
[23:02] <torchie> we have contact
[23:02] <Juest> instead login
[23:02] <torchie> MACINTOSH HD
[23:02] <ubuntuguy> Only thing I hate about unity is the fact that you have to scroll through the unity bar
[23:02] <Juest> root login
[23:02] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: yeah, that doesn't work
[23:02] <ceed^> IdleOne, I dug through Evo settings ages ago. It has worked fine for me since
[23:02] <Juest> and i lost ttys
[23:02] <crazedpsyc> i got disconnected right after my last msg
[23:02] <crazedpsyc> what?
[23:02] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: when you have plain text composition set and you reply to an HTML email it just goes all to hell
[23:03] <gordonjcp> Juest: why do you want a root login?
[23:03] <IdleOne> gordonjcp: it does work. and html mail is bad
[23:03] <IdleOne> evil
[23:03] <gordonjcp> Juest: are you nostalgic for the 1970s?
[23:03] <ckwalsh> Juest, Root login is a bad idea
[23:03] <IdleOne> and yuck
[23:03] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: no, it doesn't
[23:03] <gordonjcp> IdleOne: it reproducibly does not work correctly
[23:03] <Juest> yes bad idea but i want it
[23:03] <IdleOne> works for me
[23:03]  * ckwalsh was playing with old++ versions of Solaris this weekend
[23:03] <Superstar> I'm not feeling the unity bar but I do like the window controls (minimise/restore/exit) integrating into the top panel - efficient use of space :)
[23:03] <ceed^> gordonjcp, all text are kept so it works for me also
[23:03] <ckwalsh> Plenty of root exploits there...
[23:03] <gordonjcp> Superstar: I'd prefer that if the buttons stayed on the right side
[23:04] <yofel> Juest: well, root is passwordless - i.e disabled by default, just set a new root password and you can use it
[23:04] <gordonjcp> Juest: it's totally unnecessary
[23:04] <Juest> lol, i just want to root login just like i have done in ex-mandrake
[23:04] <iceroot> Juest: there is no single reason to have a root-shell
[23:04] <Juest> not for me
[23:04] <gordonjcp> being able to log in as root is a defect
[23:04] <IdleOne> !controls
[23:04] <gordonjcp> it's one of the most utterly broken and retarded things in Linux
[23:04] <yofel> not really, it's a design. A bit obsolete one
[23:04] <BajK> yofel: changing the thing to text doesnt help at all
[23:04] <IdleOne> ^^ easy way to reset the buttons
[23:05] <gordonjcp> all Linux distros should have a script that checks for a root password, and if one is set it should zero out every attached disk
[23:05] <Juest> ok, yofel, i failed to change pw using usermod
[23:05] <yofel> BajK: there's another setting, something like vt.handoff=7, maybe remove that
[23:05] <Superstar> gordonjcp t's unusual for me coming from Windows but why for you?
[23:05] <yofel> Juest: sudo passwd ?
[23:05] <BajK> yofel: ok I try
[23:05] <gordonjcp> on the basis that whoever sets the system up with a usable root login is fundamentally too stupid to use a computer
[23:05] <ckwalsh> iceroot, root shells aren't all bad, but for the regular user yes, you are right
[23:05] <Juest> because when i did su root and typed my password it failed
[23:05] <BajK> Juest: sudo su
[23:05] <Juest> usermod --password i did
[23:05] <yofel> that shouldn't happen...
[23:05] <iceroot> BajK: wrong
[23:06] <ckwalsh> gordonjcp, Especially if it's from ssh
[23:06] <gordonjcp> Superstar: it's just a stupid and broken idea
[23:06] <BajK> yofel: ah ok this vt.handoff also helps :D
[23:06] <yofel> and use sudo -i instead of sudo su
[23:06] <iceroot> BajK: that is the badest way to have a root shell
[23:06] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: oh, jeez
[23:06] <BajK> if I remove one of them it works, doesnt matter which one :D
[23:06] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: people enabling root login over ssh make my piss boil
[23:06] <Juest> ok, i just want to root it, how do i change user pw?
[23:06] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: how can anybody be so bloody irresponsible
[23:06] <gordonjcp> Juest: dude
[23:06] <ckwalsh> This weekend I was at the NCCDC competition
[23:06] <ckwalsh> We were all running as root to do stuff
[23:07] <gordonjcp> Juest: if you don't know how to set passwords, then - not wishing to be cruel here - you really shouldn't be messing around as root
[23:07] <ckwalsh> First thing we did was lock out sudo and ssh root
[23:07] <gordonjcp> Juest: or, if you are, you should keep some install media handy
[23:07] <ceed^> gordonjcp, I often do stupid things to my system because I'm bored with it working right. I like to fix it :)
[23:07] <ckwalsh> Sudo is damn dangerous on servers
[23:07] <Juest> ok, got the user control ui
[23:07] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: more dangerous than a root login?
[23:07] <Superstar> Nice bantor
[23:07] <Juest> lol
[23:08] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: how do you allow more than one person to admin the server then?
[23:08] <ckwalsh> Perhaps not, but it's easy to misconfigure to let any user run anything they want as root
[23:08] <ckwalsh> We just had one admin password for each machine
[23:08] <Superstar> What IRC client is everyone using?
[23:08] <ckwalsh> NCCDC is a special case though
[23:08] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: ... which everyone knows?
[23:08] <ckwalsh> Superstar, XChat
[23:08] <yofel> Superstar: quassel
[23:08] <torchie> quesetion
[23:08] <gordonjcp> Superstar: irssi
[23:08] <ckwalsh> anwser
[23:08] <torchie> does ubuntu/nautilus calculate whether or not you have enough space for a particular folder
[23:09] <torchie> when you transfer that folder to the hard drive?
[23:09] <ckwalsh> It checks the file size and available disk space first?
[23:09] <torchie> yeah
[23:09] <torchie> does it do that before it starts transferring
[23:09] <ckwalsh> or it doesn't - it just keeps copying over until it runs out of space
[23:09] <yofel> torchie: not that I know of, unless something changed very recently
[23:09] <Superstar> Thanks ckwalsh, yofel, gordonjcp
[23:09] <Juest> erm, why happens nothing when i click change account type or advanced settings?
[23:09] <torchie> that
[23:09] <torchie> O SHHHHHHHHHH
[23:09] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: without sudo you have no control over who does what as root
[23:09] <Juest> in 10.10
[23:09] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: you've got severely limited logging too
[23:10] <ckwalsh> You have all sorts of control - you don't give out the root password
[23:10] <Juest> and where i can reach root administration?
[23:10] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: right, but that goes back to the original problem
[23:10] <ckwalsh> I'm not saying sudo doesn't have it's place - it is useful
[23:10] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: what happens when more than one person needs to do adminny things to the server?
[23:10] <yofel> Juest: 10.10 support is in #ubuntu (or #ubuntu-beginners), this channel is 11.04 exclusively
[23:10] <ckwalsh> But depending on the situation, I'd rather be more secure with less people having access then potentially let everyone had access
[23:11] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: then don't misconfigure sudo
[23:11] <ckwalsh> we were worried about attackers compromising local accounts and going up from there
[23:11] <ckwalsh> Much safer to disable than deal with a safe config
[23:11] <gordonjcp> ckwalsh: it's *really really hard* to misconfigure it to the extent that just anyone can run stuff as root
[23:11] <BajK> nice, unified startup, from grub to desktop :D grub has horos background, plymouth has it, kdm has it and ksplash :D
[23:11] <ckwalsh> So many highlights... :P
[23:12]  * gordonjcp hasn't even had a root password set for over a decade, on any machine
[23:14] <ubuntuguy> Why do you have to scroll up and down the unity bar
[23:14] <ubuntuguy> ugh so annoying
[23:14] <ubuntuguy> :l
[23:14] <DavideS> hi all
[23:14] <ckwalsh> ubuntuguy, yup...
[23:14] <ubuntuguy> That's the only downside
[23:15] <ubuntuguy> like, just make the icons get smaller when you have a lot of stuff open
[23:16] <ckwalsh> it also seems slower; I'm back on the classic look on my netbook
[23:17] <DavideS> i am new to the chat and i am desperately looking for help with my alps touchpad on acer aspire 1830t with ubuntu 11.04
[23:17] <DavideS> i hope i am in the right place
[23:17] <gordonjcp> Unity is so *nearly* nice
[23:18] <ckwalsh> I can see how it would be nice for some people
[23:19] <ckwalsh> but for me, there is so much stuff that gets in the way, and that is missing which I expect
[23:21] <gordonjcp> sadly, as it ships, it looks like some stoned 15-year-olds found all the worst features of Mac OSX and decided to make a kewl desktop with as much flashy shit as possible
[23:22] <IdleOne> language!
[23:22] <gordonjcp> that big drop shadow on the selected window is truly nauseating
[23:22] <gordonjcp> to the extent that I couldn't actually use Unity until I found a way to modify the theme to disable it, since it gave me eyestrain and a blinding headache within about ten minutes of booting into Ubuntu
[23:23] <gordonjcp> the blurry icons in the annoying side panel thing are just as bad
[23:23] <ubuntuguy> Unity bar just needs to stop the scroll thingy ma jing
[23:23] <DavideS> hi guys, I was wondering if anybody knows how to get vertical scrolling working with alps touchpad on acer aspire 1830t
[23:24] <gordonjcp> if sabdfl really wanted to make a nice-looking desktop he should go round to the graphic designer's houses and take away their Blur functions
[23:24] <ubuntuguy> I do davides
[23:24] <ubuntuguy> go to system settings
[23:24] <ubuntuguy> and find mouse
[23:24] <DavideS> i am there
[23:25] <ubuntuguy> ok
[23:25] <ubuntuguy> sec
[23:25] <arand> gordonjcp: Presumably that is an exclusive opinion though, since I haven't heard that one before =þ
[23:25] <DavideS> i am in mouse preferences > touchpad
[23:25] <ubuntuguy> Now just look for what your looking for
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> it may be there
[23:26] <gordonjcp> arand: you don't find the big blurry "broken monitor effect" around the selected window a bit hard to look at?
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> look under scrolling
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> and click
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> edge
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> scrolling
[23:26] <DavideS> i have done this earlier but it still doesn't work
[23:26] <gordonjcp> arand: blur on a major visual element is a Bad Thing, as any designer will tell you
[23:26] <ubuntuguy> Idk what to tell you then
[23:27] <DavideS> before getting here i searched for several days
[23:27] <DavideS> but no success
[23:27] <gordonjcp> arand: your eyes interpret it as being out of focus, and are constantly hunting the lens trying to bring the blurry thing into focus
[23:29] <ubuntuguy> May need to install most recent ubuntu 11.04 image
[23:29] <DavideS> i have installed beta 64bit two days a go
[23:29] <DavideS> do you know if there is anything more recent?
[23:30] <yofel> DavideS: not if you installed all updates
[23:30] <DavideS> ok
[23:30] <DavideS> i have the most recent one then
[23:30] <ubuntuguy> beta 2 comes out tomorrow right?
[23:30] <torchie> classic users what do you guys do about cluttered taskbar
[23:30] <DavideS> ubuntuguy: i think so
[23:30] <DavideS> i will wait
[23:31] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I'll do that
[23:31] <DavideS> may be there is a fix
[23:31] <arand> gordonjcp: I can definitely see your point, and no I haven't looked into unity, since I run in kvm with no 3D-support... I have a hard time thinking that it is something designers wouldn't have though about, presumably the surfaces that are blurred are supposed to be ignored by the user...
[23:32] <arand> *looked into unity, much,
[23:33] <gordonjcp> arand: it's a big deep blur around the active window that makes it look like your monitor is on its last legs
[23:34] <torchie> unity app bar seems unintuitive
[23:36] <gordonjcp> torchie: I don't like the random way that sometimes clicking a square makes an app launch, and sometimes it just makes the windows whirl about the screen
[23:42] <ubuntuguy> Woo, I'm loving unity,
[23:46] <lcb> some like tomato /təˈmeɪtoʊ/; others tomato /təˈmɑːtoʊ/ -  but they all love ketshup
[23:48] <lcb> on 28th we will all have here a ketshup party
[23:50] <ubuntuguy> wow, ubuntu 11.04 live cd cut off on me and now I can't load it up
[23:55] <seidos> where can i get a torrent of 11.04 beta2?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Won't be out until tomorrow,
[23:57] <arand> But then again, the current dailies may very well be what ends up being the beta2...
[23:57] <arand> md5sum is great for that...
[23:58] <charlie-tca> true, do they have torrents?
[23:58] <seidos> ah, but i can direct download it here:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110413/natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:58] <seidos> i guess that's better than nothing
[23:59] <charlie-tca> updated, it will become beta2
[23:59] <arand> I thought the dailies had torrents, but I might misremeber..
[23:59] <seidos> i'm not sure why torrents aren't the default xfering method