[00:00] i want 'root' ? [00:00] or netroot? [00:00] or dpkg [00:00] for my sudo purging [00:01] what the heck, since when is pornview a package in ubuntu package center? [00:01] Natty (not nanny) is the code word for Ubuntu 11.04 [00:01] well the screenshot said nanny [00:01] something on my ubuntu calls itself nanny [00:02] 'ppa-purge: command not found' [00:02] nanny nottwall [00:03] seriously considering just going to debian on my laptop...just worried that the packages are going to be super hella old [00:04] ahh need to install that :D [00:06] ello. ive set up my gnome-pilot-conduits for File, Backup etc, but I can't seem to find the option for synchronizing my calendar with Evolution. the actual hotsync works, it just doesn't do anything for the Evolution calendar. I'm on ubuntu 10.10 [00:06] bluefox83: Well, does old packages really hurt though? ;) [00:06] well since i am running it on a laptop, yeah...because if they are too old my hardware wont work [00:07] Is it possible to overclock nvidia on 11.04? There is no xorg.conf. Where should I put Coolbits? Generating xorg.conf doesnt work. It doesnt see it [00:09] ok, now i'm wondering why google chrome isn't in the repo, AND why the heck wont the software center let me install it when i try to download from the website [00:10] bluefox83: cause chrome only has binairies? [00:10] try chromium [00:10] Google chrome is closed source AFAIK [00:10] try chromium-browser [00:10] fatino: no. its just binaries [00:10] source is all in chromium [00:10] Chrome is chromium with additional binaries. [00:10] Yea I know [00:10] Like H.264 support and all that, I believe. [00:10] bluefox83: there is a ton of work to get Debian working on a laptop. It made me appretiate Ubuntu again. [00:11] Daekdroom: nope [00:11] we have that too [00:11] This is what I meant :) [00:11] BUGabundo, really? [00:11] Oh. [00:11] yep [00:11] Did someone oced nvidia? [00:11] chromium-codecs or something [00:20] Daekdroom: thank you for rescuing me [00:20] it worked [00:21] No problem [00:22] BUGabundo: Please point me to the PDF viewer source code. [00:23] #ubuntu-mozillatea [00:24] What is the best way to switch from Lucid to natty? [00:25] BUGabundo: There is no one in that channel. [00:25] neeraj: from personal experience...i would say a full fresh installation...but it CAN be done from an upgrade (thoughi personally do not recommend it) [00:25] #ubuntu-mozillateam [00:25] neeraj: sudo do-release-upgrade -d [00:26] ok...how the heck do i turn on desktop effects in natty? [00:26] bluefox83, I am also confused should I run release-upgrade -d or download fresh iso [00:26] neeraj: that's going to have to be a personal choice...i can't decide for you [00:27] Just wanted to confirm, if I downloaded daily build of natty then will I get complete step by step gui as we get in maverick at present? [00:27] *download [00:28] neeraj: for installation, you mean? [00:28] rww, yes [00:28] neeraj: yes, if you download a Desktop daily build [00:28] if memory serves, they have daily-live in the URL somewhere [00:28] !daily [00:28] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [00:29] there we go :) [00:29] * Pici wanders in and out [00:29] Thanks all :). Downloading it [00:39] hello guys, how good is Natty working at the moment? [00:40] Ok, I can't understand how _anyone_ can use the new version of Ubunut [00:40] it's so confusing, and I can't even get right clicking to work :( [00:40] also, no menu bars? [00:40] what is this, mac os x? [00:41] Do you have something you need help with? [00:41] well for starters, I would really be able to right click [00:41] how can I change it so that I can [00:42] Press the rightmost button on your mouse to achieve the desired action. [00:42] I think my trackpad settings are completely broken :/ [00:43] OK, open the dash and search for Mouse. [00:43] can't find moues settings, was it removed since the GNOME release? [00:43] ah, you have to _search_ [00:43] was using the "System" drop-down [00:44] You could use "System settings" too. [00:44] I don't really know what you did. [00:45] Ok, I still can't get right clicking to work, my laptop is an HP ProBook 4520s. Since it's fairly new, I'd expect this to just _work_ [00:45] aliendude5300, this new version breaks too many things for you?, what kind of system do you have? [00:45] ^^ [00:45] I see.... [00:46] My main system is a desktop, but I decided to test this out on my laptop instead, as it's just a beta release === yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:46] I wonder if it's related to the hardware in my system [00:46] Everything works perfectly for me on my desktop [00:47] apparently I'm not the only one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1726450 [00:48] anyone using Natty in a T410 ? [00:48] nope [00:48] man doing a sudo apt-get upgrade from a fresh natty install...hope to hell i don't fubar my sys [00:49] it's installing like 200 packages [00:49] araujo: um, X200, but there are T410s in the office [00:49] Jerub, and how it goes? , nothing badly breaks??? [00:49] araujo: um, do you know what wireless chip you have? is it the realtek or the intel? [00:50] dang, how many times do i need to uninstall firefox D: [00:50] Jerub, the Intel one [00:51] araujo: okay, after you boot the new kernel, there's a good chance your wireless will drop out when you use it. [00:51] mmm .... [00:51] bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/630748 workaround has been posted (diable 802.11n support), and please, if you experience the problem, post something to the bug report. [00:51] Ubuntu bug 630748 in Linux "iwlagn degrades quickly during normal wifi session" [High,Confirmed] [00:52] Jerub, ok, I check, thanks .... [00:52] it's been marked as 'fix-released' but it's still an active problem for me and i'm trying to poke the right people into getting it re-opened, but it's all falling on deaf ears. [00:52] though I am still considering if updating or not.... [00:53] apart from that it works great :) [00:53] Jerub, I hit this bug with maverick it seems => https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/524281 [00:53] Ubuntu bug 524281 in linux (Ubuntu) "Tens of wakes per second in "[kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick" on Core 2 Duo even with only 1 core enabled" [Low,Confirmed] [00:53] here's the lshw output from my system if it helps: http://pastebay.com/120299 [00:53] and seems the solution is to update to natty [00:54] nn [00:56] I'm going to see if I can right click if I plug in an HP wireless mouse, or if it's the trackpad itself (which works perfectly in windows, btw) [00:56] aliendude5300: just checking basic things: you have enabled touchpad mouseclicks on the mouse preferences? [01:00] delac: yes [01:01] ok, so I can right click with my wireless mouse just fine, but I'd really like to get the trackpad working [01:01] aliendude5300: left click works? what about middle click (with three fingers)? [01:01] hey, doing an upgrade to natty and the upgrade is stuck at "Configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer" window trying to define a proxy... [01:02] is there a way to skip it and resume the upgrade? [01:03] delac: I don't believe the trackpad I have supports multi-touch [01:04] aliendude5300: most of them do not, but if it is synaptics touchpad, then the drivers can emulate multi touch. like on my acer netbook [01:04] aliendude5300: in other words: it pobably works on your laptop too [01:04] probably* [01:05] delac: I'm not sure what trackpad I have. here's my lshw output: http://pastebay.com/120299 [01:06] aliendude5300: mind giving "xinput list"? [01:07] gimme a sec... [01:08] http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=188877&stc=1&d=1302653247 (xinput list) [01:09] aliendude5300: link doesnt seem to work [01:09] here's it on pastebay http://pastebay.com/120300 [01:10] aliendude5300: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad. So it should support multi touch. Like two fingers for right click and three for middle. Also two finger scrolling [01:11] hmm, well those gestures don't work. They did work on my eee pc, but I can't use that right now (charging is broken) === rcmaehl is now known as rcmaehl_mobile === rcmaehl_mobile is now known as rcmaehl [01:14] aliendude5300: so what works and what doesn't? pointer moves? can you left click? with either the pad or the buttons? === rcmaehl is now known as NT8 [01:15] pointer moves, can left click, dragging often results in a weird behavior where the mouse (and the window) suddenly moves into the bottom left corner, scrolling works. [01:16] * araujo decided to update to natty [01:17] I'd wait, the new interface is pretty hard to get used to, and there are quite a few bugs (at least for me) [01:17] also, is there a way to prevent the window list or whatever from auto-hiding [01:17] really annoying imo [01:18] aliendude5300: you have compiz-config-setting-manager installed? [01:19] not that I know of [01:19] aliendude5300: and I assume you ment the Launcher on the left? [01:19] yes [01:19] aliendude5300: do you know how to use gconf-editor? [01:20] no, but I can learn [01:20] aliendude5300: I recommend you install compiz-config-setting-manager [01:20] test [01:23] I guess I can't complain since I'm on Ubuntu 11.04 beta, but my system just completely locked up [01:23] and by that I mean even alt+sysrq+b wouldn't work [01:23] anyways, I'm back [01:24] aliendude5300_: well, that is one good lockup [01:24] aliendude5300_: but yes, this beta seems to lock up time to time [01:24] yeah, it happened when I hit the wifi toggle button [01:24] not going to make that mistake again :. [01:24] aliendude5300_: ah, bad drivers [01:25] hi anyone know how to configure gufw to deny in+out and allow out on 80? i get no internet [01:25] blame broadcom :/ no good open-source drivers for my card [01:26] aliendude5300_: hmm, for me the hardware switch seems to work fine. And I use broadcom drivers too :) [01:27] aliendude5300_: are you installing the ccsm, or do you want to look the gconf-editor? [01:27] hmm I don't know then, but I'd rather not have my system freeze up like that again [01:27] ccsm package wasn't found [01:27] aliendude5300_: its named compiz-config-settings-manager [01:27] delac, you get your system locked up from time to time? [01:28] araujo: sometimes, mostly on boot [01:28] I have ccsm on my desktop, although I thought that was primarily for desktop aesthetics, but I'll try it [01:28] aliendude5300_: huh? [01:28] delac, what kind of system do you have?, and also ... how do you fix it? [01:29] ccsm is mainly for desktop effects like fire and rain, am I wrong? [01:29] also, still not finding the package for some reason... is it in the natty repos? [01:29] "E: Unable to locate package compiz-config-settings-manager" [01:30] aliendude5300_, try compizconfig-settingsmanager [01:30] aliendude5300_: yes, it's the compiz settings manager, and there are options for rain and fire too [01:30] !info compizconfig-settingsmanager [01:30] Package compizconfig-settingsmanager does not exist in natty [01:30] Hm [01:30] !info compiz-config-settings-manager [01:30] Package compiz-config-settings-manager does not exist in natty [01:30] !info compizconfig-settingmanager [01:30] Package compizconfig-settingmanager does not exist in natty [01:31] !info compiz-config-setting-manager [01:31] Package compiz-config-setting-manager does not exist in natty [01:31] hrmm [01:31] aliendude5300_, compizconfig-settings-manager [01:31] yes, thats it [01:31] Who came up with that package name.. [01:31] :) [01:31] robin0800: that works, thank you [01:32] Daekdroom: I know right? I suggest adding a shortcut package name "ccsm" [01:32] short and simple :) [01:33] araujo: using natty on my acer d250 netbook. And mostly restart the computer with alt+sysrq+b [01:33] delac: I have ccsm installed, now what? [01:33] aliendude5300_, then you need the desktop section an the choose the unity plug in [01:33] find the unity plugin [01:33] delac, I see.... [01:34] delac: thanks, figured it out [01:35] now then, right clicking is still broken on my trackpad [01:35] I don't think anyone here knows how to fix that :( [01:36] aliendude5300_: might be so. it's pretty odd that only one button is not working. [01:36] I'm not the only one. I managed to find a forum post with someone with the exact same laptop with the same problem. [01:37] having to plug in a wireless mouse to right click shouldn't be necessary [01:37] also, why doesn't webgl work in the firefox 4 installed in 11.04? [01:38] here's the thread with the right click problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10670060#post10670060 [01:40] aliendude5300_: maybe you should file a bug too. [01:40] delac: good idea, I'll do that now [01:40] what should I include in the report? [01:42] aliendude5300_: there was one guy (cant remember nick) who seemed to know about input devices quite a bit. Maybe you should hang around and query time to time. He might spot you and be able to help. [01:44] hi, is there any way to autohide the top panel? [01:44] won't let me file a bug without a package name [01:44] I was playing with compiz on unity and suddenly ever‌ything went black [01:44] not sure what package would be at fault [01:45] I had to restart, but now I'm stuck with a pidgin without controls (close, minimize etc. buttons) and console mode, nothing else works [01:45] any idea? [01:45] I was thinking on installing WINE on Natty for some games. Which version might be better suited? 1.2.2 or 1.3.12? [01:45] aliendude5300_: I was thinking the same thing and can't really say what would be appropriate one [01:45] hal? [01:46] aliendude5300_: not sure, could be. [01:46] when in doubt, report it as a bug in "linux" [01:47] aliendude5300_: well yes, someone who knows about things will then set the correct package [01:51] I was playing with compiz on natty when suddenly everything went black, so I restarted, now I'm stuck with a pidgin and nothing else, no panel, no launcher, no close or minimize button, nothing at all. Is there anything I can do? c'mon guys help me out here. [01:53] Another question I have is to do with the application launcher, how do you launch more than 2 windows? Ex. Firefox has a window open and want another, if I click on it it doesn't open another window [01:55] CantWinn: middle click? [01:55] delac: thanks [01:56] aliendude5300_: I must be going now. Sorry I couldn't help more. Good luck with the touchpad. [01:58] Also, I think the search feature is great. But if I can't remember what I'm looking for and want an old fashion menu to look through where is it? [02:28] I'm thinking about install ubuntu 11.04 on new partition [02:29] You should do that then. [02:31] Well, I was going to ask for instructions [02:32] ubuntuguy, just create a blank partition and when you do the install it will ask you if that is where you wish to park it [02:32] Will I get a dual boot? [02:32] yes [02:32] And how do I remove the partition? [02:33] familiar with gparted? [02:33] Not really, no [02:33] sort-a [02:34] ok, from the live cd, run gparted and it will show you your drive... you can then resize and repartition it.... you can create a new partition without any formatting. [02:34] Alright cool, thanks [02:35] its not 100% risk free... but what in life is... backup your important stuff [02:36] Well, in that case, I'll just wait for beta 2 and run live cd again [02:36] no hurry [02:36] Yeah [02:36] I am running beta on two machines now [02:36] no major problems so far [02:37] I've used it VIA live machine, I'm liking unity so far [02:37] I have no use for unity, I am using lxde which is also like lubuntu [02:38] 11.04 allows docky to work with lxde which I like [02:38] I will have no need for docky anymore as unity bar gets the job done [02:39] to each his own which is the beauty of linux [02:39] Mhm, nicely said [02:39] I have tried many desktops and then get bored and try them again :) [02:39] been around the cycle a few times [02:40] I've only use the defaults [02:40] I have some low power machines so I always look for light weight [02:40] like xfce lxde and iceWM [02:41] OH, I see what your saying [02:41] unity isn't to light weight is it? [02:42] unity is supposed to be light weight, but its made for touch screens and it has limitations I do not like [02:42] Limitations such as? Because I haven't ran into any [02:43] its not very flexible... it is what it is and its not much for changing things around [02:43] That's true [02:43] the other panels allow additions of gadgets and such [02:43] Yeah, that's one thing I hate [02:44] I'm also going to miss the applications, places, etc menu [02:44] Wish someone would create an add-on for that [02:46] May go and request it on the forums [02:48] Hello all [02:51] Any thoughts on the Unity interface? I just am trying the beta now but not sure how I feel about it yet. [02:51] I like unity [02:51] but [02:51] I wish [02:51] like [02:51] I'm also going to miss the applications, places, etc menu [02:51] May go searching for an add-on [02:52] I'm using the ubuntu classic noeffects for now. [02:52] What's the point of that? [02:53] I was running into too much weirdness with Unity. [02:53] Such as unmovable windows, poor UI performance (clicks took many seconds to register), etc. [02:54] I mean, it's a beta [02:54] These problems disappeared when I switched. [02:54] Lets see what happens with beta 2 [02:54] Yes, but that's why I'm waiting for the next beta. :) [02:54] Exactly. [02:55] I think it has potential... I was using the netbook edition on, well, my netbook, but ran into window sizing issues there. [02:55] xD [02:55] I like unity though [02:55] I'm always open to change [02:56] Definitely- I hate to bash Windows- I make my living with it- but it's not much fun. [02:56] Yeah [02:56] but again, I'm going to miss the applications menu [02:56] Isn't that still available with the ubuntu icon on the top left screen? [02:57] Yeah [02:57] but like [02:57] it loads up [02:57] and then shows you applications and stuff, ok cool [02:57] but I prefer [02:57] the [02:57] click on applications [02:57] and pick [02:57] 1 2 3 [02:58] Oh [02:58] yeah [02:58] I usually make short cuts for the 6 to 10 things I use the most but it was more convenient before [02:58] the app menu that is [02:59] ubuntuguy: why not the Applications button in the launcher, you can choose the categories in the top right [02:59] Gotta go for a bit- thanks for the chat! [02:59] ik, but I like applications integrated in panel with places and systems along side === SethP is now known as |Seth| [03:04] "you're server is broke! it doesn't have any cache!" [03:08] I sure wish I could view my apps without having to scroll through nine pages of a lens. [03:08] Or that when I press the application button I'm not shown the first 4 apps that start with the letter 'a'... because that's really what I want. [03:09] cardapio is like, in every way possible, more usable than the application lens. [03:24] having sound problems: when I plug in my headphones, sound still comes from the speakers [03:24] that's not a bug, that's a feature! [03:25] i mean, sound still comes from the computer speakers, not just the headphones [03:25] i know [03:25] :P [03:26] :P [03:27] does seem better than no sound, at times. [03:28] well, is there a way to fix this? [03:29] Cortex, what exactly is the setup? [03:29] Cortex, where are the 'computer speakers', and where are the headphones plugged in [03:29] laptop or desktop? [03:30] er, i'm not so great at this, i'm using an old laptop [03:30] hmm [03:30] i think newer laptops usually have a hardware switch [03:30] i've fiddled with the speakers menu, but nothing [03:31] do you see two outputs in the pulseaudio utility? [03:31] Cortex: this might help - http://digitizor.com/2009/10/22/fix-headphone-sound-problem-hp-laptop-linux/ [03:32] you mean sound preferences? [03:33] charlie-tca: thanks, i'll see if it this works [03:33] yes [03:39] charlie-tca: nope, didn't work :/ [04:04] I think my icons should bounce a bit when i click them, not a biggie - but i think would be nice polish [04:05] and im really missing my lm-sensor app, anyone working on appindicator for that? [04:05] Yeah, that's one thing I miss a bit, better visual indication that something was clicked or that something wants attention. [04:06] ya, i know my grandparents woud keep clicking till window opened lol [04:08] For me it's just a small thing though. [04:09] Having it would be an improvement, but not having it would not hinder productivity, so it's not very important. [04:10] It's productivity hindering stuff that gets me riled up, and so far there haven't been many of those. :) [04:10] Just had a kernel oops on the last update. Couldn't make a bug report though, it said something like "the report is damaged" . [04:14] overall ive had pretty good luck with it, i think im maybe getting a little better performance playing WoW :) [04:14] and im really liking the zeitgeist search [04:14] It certainly is more pleasant to use on my netbook than gnome 2 was. [04:15] im using on my quadcore desktop [04:15] Finally someone has realized that on netbooks, the mouse isn't a high precision instrument where clicks are cheap. [04:16] ya, ive never used unity on netbook, i know i find win7 starter extremely aggravating [04:37] rww, sudo do-release-upgrade -d upgraded my system to Maverick :|, have to run update-manager -d for switching to natty [04:37] * Debolaz notes that Natty technically speaking haven't been released yet. [04:38] Does not -d stands for currently developing version? [04:38] hey, I was trying to upgrade to the latest Natty and the installer stalled at the ms-font installer dialog.. [04:38] * Debolaz dunno. :) [04:38] can i still resume the installation or is it too messy? [04:39] i have no problems of doing a fresh install [04:39] I am still trying to figureo ut if I like 11.04 or 10.10 better [04:39] I tend to always recommend doing a fresh install, katsrc [04:40] syn-ack: i usually get good results with upgrading, but i guess it's beta [04:40] Though, that's not the answer you're looking for... You should be able to kill it and then continue it, but it could turn out to be a messy decision. [04:40] just wanted to know if there was a way to resume it or restart the upgrade process? [04:41] You may be able to kill it, and then restart it but there's no telling if it's going to work like it should. [04:41] ok [04:41] gota ya, just finished burning the image [04:42] katsrc you might try apt-get install -f [04:42] gonna go try it out, thanks for the tip [04:42] I have a feeling it's going to end up very messy. :/ [04:42] at least it will fix any missing dependencies of what you already have [04:42] Right [04:43] just gotta back up a few directories and i should be ok to mess the box up :) [04:43] tisk tisk.... you should have done that BEFORE you started the upgrade. :P [04:44] syn-ack: it's just a few directories that aren't that important [04:45] thanks again [04:45] brb [04:49] hi anyone knows if i can install a genius easypen i405 in natty? [04:56] ledah_: there seem to be drivers available: https://launchpad.net/wizardpen but you may need to build them yourself, since the ppa doesn't have natty yet [04:57] ledah_: Also method here may work for you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1337260 [04:59] thx to both i'm trying right now both solutions [05:02] mmm i get some errors [05:03] http://pastebin.com/vjx1Qf0J [05:12] ledah_: looks like it will need some patches for natty, several of those symbols have been dropped or replaced, there is already a bug about it: lp 715904 [05:12] Launchpad bug 715904 in Gentoo Linux "Support input ABI 12" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715904 [05:21] is is possible natty usb persistent if it is any tutorial how to make it ? [05:23] habanany i think pendrive linux can do it [05:23] i ll take a look cbilljones , thanks [05:24] What does "status 4" mean in the bootup message: "ureadahead - other main process terminated with status 4"? [05:25] habanany http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/ [05:25] thanks [05:25] np, thats how i did it [05:26] my menus keep disappearing is this a known bug? [05:27] all i get is file, with just close option [05:31] cbilljones: Yes, I have read in this channel that others experienced the same. - Me personally not. [05:32] bullgard4 i did "unity -reset" that fixed it, could be a ccsm setting conflicting [05:32] unity --reset i mean [05:35] I am not using Unity. [05:37] bullgard4: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434502 first post explains what status 4 is. at the bottom of the post [05:44] IdleOne: Thank you very much for your excellent help. [05:44] welcome :) [05:47] I seem to have a bug. I'm using natty, and every time I try to down load a big file (Update manager etc) my system will freeze [05:47] Any one else getting this issue? [05:52] Any one on tonight? [05:53] CantWinn: yep. [05:53] CantWinn: are you using wireless? [05:53] How is Beta 2 shaping up? [05:53] Jerub: Yes I am [05:53] perscitus: it doesn't exist for another two days ;P [05:53] CantWinn: okay, is it intel wireless, with 802.11n capability? [05:53] rww, I meant, hows the bugs. [05:53] No, Braudcom [05:54] okay, different bug then. [05:54] rww, I bet someone somewhere will release patch to make Launcher movable. [05:54] Jerub: I've tried the Proprietary drivers and the open src from the resource, both do it. [05:55] I tried to find ways to Hide Unity launcher permanantly but nothing in google. [05:55] Ooops, and that should be Broadcom.. [05:56] i give up, [05:56] i will reinstall 10.10 [05:56] thx for all your help [05:57] ledah_: Not sure what the issue is, but are you able to split your partition? have a common home dir? [05:57]