[06:38] <bradm> head_victim: I'd suggest replying to the RT ticket with that info, makes sure it gets into the system
[06:58] <dan7886> hi
[09:56] <Bodman456> Hey all
[09:56] <sagaci> Hi
[09:57] <sagaci> not much for the sydney meet, eh?
[09:57] <Bodman456> Yeah
[09:57] <sagaci> people are just playing dead
[09:57] <Bodman456> Went to that cafe I suggested yesterday, it looks good, and the food's pretty cheap
[09:58] <Bodman456> Unfortunatly so, it seems :S
[09:58] <sagaci> i mean fair enough if you can't make it but an apology note would be nice
[09:59] <Bodman456> Yeah
[09:59] <Bodman456> I'll put the details on the wiki, hopefully more people show up or RSVP
[10:00] <sagaci> what date did you propose
[10:00] <Bodman456> Probably the 23rd of April
[10:00] <sagaci> Hi
[10:01] <sagaci> yeah ok
[10:01] <Bodman456> Since it's the last Saturday before I go back to school
[10:02] <Bodman456> And I go back to school next Thursday, and weekdays aren't really working-people-friendly.
[10:03] <sagaci> yeah exactly
[10:04] <sagaci> it is easter that weekend tho
[11:00] <Bodman456> Hmm, might change it to October, that's what everyone else seems to be putting it at
[11:01] <sagaci> the release party.?
[11:06] <Bodman456> Yeah
[11:07] <valorin> but won't that almost be time for Oneric to be released?
[11:07] <Bodman456> IDK
[11:08] <Bodman456> But that's the date of the other release parties for Natty
[11:08] <valorin> weird
[11:08] <valorin> AU parties, or global?
[11:08] <Bodman456> That's what the wiki page says anyway :S
[11:08] <Bodman456> AU
[11:09] <valorin> weird
[11:09] <Bodman456> Wait, shit
[11:09] <valorin> which wiki page?
[11:09] <Bodman456> I was reading the Maverick page
[11:09] <Bodman456> XD
[11:10] <valorin> ah, lol, that makes more sense!
[11:11] <valorin> Anyone know what BC's problem is? (in the mailing list)
[11:25] <head_victim> Bodman456: I didn't blank it when I copied it sorry
[11:26] <head_victim> valorin: BC seems to be getting a little oddball lately
[11:27] <valorin> head_victim, I just hope he isn't going to troll everything Unity-related...
[11:29] <head_victim> valorin: I've read mixed reviews but I must admit the majority of the people complaining don't appear to have actually USED it much
[11:30] <valorin> I've been using it full time, and initially I was sceptical but now I find it great. It's something that needs to be given a chance to prove itself - although all the bugs (which is normal for Ubuntu pre-release) don't help it.
[11:30] <valorin> Also what I've noticed is most people who complain about Unity don't know about Gnome3, which will likely replace their beloved classic gnome in most distro's anyway
[11:31] <head_victim> That's what I don't get, gnome3 isn't gnome 2.x
[11:31] <head_victim> But it's got to be better just because it's gnome?
[11:31] <valorin> It's actually even harder to use than Unity
[11:31] <valorin> with more drastic interface changes
[11:31] <head_victim> I withhold my judgement until I've used it a bit
[11:49] <sagaci> Sorry, who's bc
[11:49] <Bodman456> I have backups of GNOME 2.x on my portable HDD, just gotta remember not to lose it
[11:50] <Bodman456> I've been using unity for a good 3mo, and honestly, it shouldn't have been placed in a DESKTOP release of 'buntu
[11:52] <sagaci> I don't know, i like it. All gnome distro's look the same. As least they're trying to do something different
[11:52] <sagaci> kinda like the ribbon interface in ms office. Use it a bit and it's much better than before
[11:53] <sagaci> but i agree that i won't be upgrading my grandparents desktop from 10.10. If i did, it would be to mint
[11:54] <head_victim> Brisbane release party poll - http://www.doodle.com/mgfwuc5u5kydrgi7#table
[11:55] <head_victim> Well I figure surely someone will package gnome for it anyway so if you really want it it shouldn't be too hard to make it happen
[11:57] <sagaci> It's just too much of a change for my grandparents. They're up to the stage of deleting emails so it doesn't clog up the bigpond server, ie. When they have more than 10 emails
[11:57] <sagaci> Ie. 15 years ago
[11:58] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah, although if they hadn't tried gnome would unity be better or worse?
[11:59] <valorin> There is a Gnome3 Ubuntu Remix in the works, so I'd say someone will be working on a gnome2 ubuntu version
[12:00] <valorin> What I want to know, is if Ubuntu is going to upgrade to gnome3 backend to power Unity, or stick with gnome2 and maintain it? Cos the 10.10 netbook unity uses gnome3 backend, but it's a lot slower - hence why they went for gnome2
[12:00] <head_victim> Bodman456: thanks for the wiki update
[12:00] <head_victim> valorin: much more involved than my input would help with :)
[12:00] <Bodman456> @head_victim No worries
[12:01] <head_victim> Bodman456: looking like we'll have a few parties this cycle which is good
[12:01] <valorin> heh, yeah, it's kinda a question for ubuntu devs
[12:01] <valorin> I'm considering emailing about a Canberra one, although I can only really do lunchtime during the week...
[12:02] <head_victim> bradm: thanks heaps for nursing me a bit with this RT, hopefully I'll get the hang of it :)
[12:02] <head_victim> valorin: that counts! 2 people having lunch can be a release party
[12:02] <bradm> head_victim: no worries
[12:02] <bradm> I've started using unity a bit lately, and its grown on me
[12:03] <bradm> it'll be better after release and most of the bugs are stomped too
[12:03] <Bodman456> bradm: yea
[12:04] <Bodman456> But unfortunately, I'm not really a fan of it, as I've.
[12:07] <Bodman456> said already
[12:07] <Bodman456> Damn Swype
[12:07] <Bodman456> Keep hitting send instead of backspace
[12:08] <Bodman456> My Desire's screen is too small :(
[12:08] <Bodman456> Speaking of the HTC.De
[12:09] <head_victim> I'm hoping tomorrow I get to sort out my new defy (been waiting on an SD card and other bits and pieces) but I have a day off so I can visit the post office to pick up the parcel :
[12:09] <Bodman456> HTC Desire, has anyone tried Desirbian or Desirebuntu?
[12:10] <Bodman456> head_victim: Ahh, cool
[12:10] <head_victim> 32gb SD should do me a while. I was concerned it only had 2gb internal
[12:11] <Bodman456> Only thing about the Defy is that locked and signed bootloader = NO CUSTOM ROMS 
[12:11] <head_victim> I can't imagine I'd ever want to do that while it's under warranty anyway. I'm more a "might change the background and ringtone" kinda guy
[12:12] <Bodman456> LOL
[12:12] <head_victim> And surely when it's past warranty some smart cookie would have worked out how to get around it all anyway
[12:16] <head_victim> http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Motorola_Defy would suggest custom roms are plentiful?
[12:29] <head_victim> sagaci: up for a translation challenge?
[12:32] <sagaci> Symbian browser vs. Firefox? nty
[12:32] <head_victim> sagaci: haha fair enough, I just saw the libreoffice email come though saying it needed to be done before tomorrow
[12:32] <head_victim> About 1k all up
[12:33] <sagaci> Tomorrow utc?
[12:33] <head_victim> Not sure, you on the -translators mailing list?
[12:34] <sagaci> Nope, don't really sub to many list as i find myself palming off most of the conversation
[12:34] <head_victim> Fair enough
[12:36] <Bodman456> Back
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 http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Motorola_Defy would suggest custom roms are plentiful?
[12:36] <Bodman456> Phone ran flat
[12:37] <sagaci> 1k will only take you a short while
[12:37] <Bodman456> I was talking about PROPER custom ROMs, i.e, ones with custom kernels, which is what the bootloader signature blocka
[12:37] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah not sure how long I"ll be around tonight though so will do what I can
[12:37] <Bodman456> Blocks*
[12:37] <head_victim> Bodman456: oh fair enough, this is my first android so no real idea here
[12:38] <Bodman456> Ah, k
[12:38] <head_victim> I'm actually still quite happy with my old symbian nokia if it had better web browsing
[12:38] <Bodman456> This is my first Android device too, but I got.mine back.in October
[12:39] <Bodman456> I ja
[12:39] <Bodman456> God damn Swy pre e
[12:39] <Bodman456> Arghhh
[12:40] <Bodman456> I had an iTurd before this, couldn't wait to abandon iOS
[12:40] <head_victim> My wife got an iphone4
[12:41] <sagaci> so that's why you're the better half
[12:41] <head_victim> Hah I wish it were only true
[12:49] <Bodman456> LOL
[13:06] <Bodman456> head_victim: I put the syd release party details on the new LoCo directory :)
[13:06] <head_victim> Bodman456: great work, I think if we start using the loco.u.c it will really help with reapproval down the track. So much easier to show what we've done if we document it as it happens
[13:06] <Bodman456> Yeah
[13:07] <head_victim> Because I think we're doing enough (lately anyway) to be an approved loco we just need to sustain it a bit and make sure we keep up the documentation
[13:07] <Bodman456> Yeah
[13:07] <Bodman456> Also, I'm bode.i
[13:08] <Bodman456> Boden-matthews on the new loco page
[13:08] <Bodman456> Damn Swype got me again
[13:08] <Bodman456> :S
[13:08] <head_victim> BTW, you should register as attending for your own event ;)
[13:08] <Bodman456> Just did :)
[13:08] <head_victim> Yay :)
[13:09] <sagaci> I'd turn up if there's 4 others going
[13:09] <head_victim> sagaci: the problem is most people think the same way :/
[13:09] <sagaci> Or more...
[13:09] <Bodman456> sagaci: are you in NSW?
[13:10] <sagaci> Problem is that i live 350k.s away so it's hard to commit to meeting bodman in a cafe for drinks
[13:10] <head_victim> sagaci: fair call then, at least you're not sitting at home 5 mins drive away
[13:11] <sagaci> if i were living in sydney, i'd be at every ubuntu thingo
[13:13] <Bodman456> I'm in the inner west, so it's about 15min away via train
[13:15] <Bodman456> But being 14 means having to ask my parents before I go anywhere.
[13:16] <head_victim> Which is also why I wanted the Brisbane release party at an all ages venue so there was at least the possibility of all ages being able to attend.
[13:16] <sagaci> i wish i knew about linux at 14
[13:16] <Bodman456> Lol
[13:17] <Bodman456> I found out through trying out VirtualBox
[13:17] <sagaci> well i did, i just didn't know what is was or how you installed in on windows
[13:17] <Bodman456> With Ubuntu 8.04
[13:17] <Bodman456> Then I came back with 10.04
[13:18] <Bodman456> And now here I am, with 11.04 Alpha
[13:18] <head_victim> Bodman456: how did the CDs go down at school?
[13:19] <Bodman456> Good, even my Chinese teacher wanted one
[13:19] <Bodman456> And my mathematics teacher
[13:20] <head_victim> Glad they were useful :) It's nice to see that even though we had a heap of spare CDs they all went to useful places rather than sitting around in a cupoard
[13:20] <Bodman456> Yeah
[13:20] <head_victim> I've only got less then a full box left
[13:21] <sagaci> How do we go about getting official ubuntu posters etc. I don't mean flogging them off you but could we order a couple through can. and pay for them or are they not for sale
[13:21] <Bodman456> Used one for an old laptop I have, I have used Ubuntu to repurpose it for Folding@Home
[13:21] <head_victim> sagaci: Basically you just print your own
[13:21] <Bodman456> sagacoli: That sounds like a good idea
[13:21] <head_victim> Officeworks and any printer would be able to do them for you
[13:22] <Bodman456> I think Mole was designing some a while ago
[13:22] <sagaci> I mean like decent size
[13:22] <head_victim> All the ones at the open day were printed at officeworks
[13:22] <head_victim> And they go up to A0 there
[13:23] <sagaci> i like some that doctormo did, not just ubuntu, all free software and cc posters
[13:23] <head_victim> Yep, spreadubuntu.org is awesome for that
[13:23] <sagaci> what's a0 like
[13:24] <head_victim> Huge
[13:24] <sagaci> thought so
[13:24] <head_victim> A4 x2 = A3, A3 x2 = A2, etc
[13:24] <sagaci> how much does it set you back
[13:25] <head_victim> I can't remember, I was rushed so I didn't really shop around.
[13:26] <Bodman456> Isn't A0 like the banners you see in shopping centres?
[13:26] <head_victim> http://bit.ly/gT27ds
[13:27] <Bodman456> O_o
[13:28] <Bodman456> 1000x1414mm?
[13:28] <head_victim> 1x1.5 m approx
[13:28] <head_victim> Doesn't sound big
[13:28] <Bodman456> That's fucking HUGE
[13:28] <Bodman456> For a piece of paper, anyway
[13:28] <head_victim> Fair enough, well yeah, if you want to reuse them, I suggest lamination
[13:29] <head_victim> It adds about 50% to the price of getting it done
[13:29] <head_victim> But if you use them twice it's already saved you money
[13:29] <Bodman456> Yeah
[13:29] <Bodman456> Good for stalls and stuff
[13:30] <Bodman456> Like for the side.of a stall
[13:30] <head_victim> Yep
[13:30] <head_victim> sagaci: what was the command to add +50 to the translation?
[13:31] <sagaci> &batch=50 to the url
[13:31] <sagaci> 50 is the max
[13:32] <head_victim> Does it save it or do I have to add it to the url every time
[13:33] <sagaci> No, it saves
[13:33] <sagaci> i'd only do it if i was doing a large set
[13:33] <sagaci> or more than 100
[13:34] <head_victim> Fair enough, makes it easier though I reckon
[13:34] <sagaci> yeah, would had have been fantastic for firefox
[13:36] <Bodman456> Gah, I always found Firefox to be slow and unstable
[13:36] <sagaci> or the next global jam
[13:36] <Bodman456> But nowhere near IE interms of being slow and unstable
[13:36] <sagaci> it's a good fallback browser
[13:37] <sagaci> chrome on both for me
[13:37] <head_victim> sagaci: thought anymore about the AU>GB thing?
[13:37] <Bodman456> I use Google Chrome, with Opera as fallback
[13:38] <sagaci> Have, but have been playing around with sibelius 6 and new guitar amp and thoughts on blogging to be worried about writing a decent email
[13:39] <sagaci> Cause even if we 100% everything, it's still duplicating effort for new strings that come in
[13:41] <head_victim> Yep, not sure if there's a way to keep the localisation but point it to the GB or if they just ditch the AU entirely (assuming everyone agrees with the idea)
[13:47] <Bodman456> Is this about the localisation of the wiki?
[13:51] <head_victim> Nah Ubuntu as a whole.
[13:52] <Bodman456> Oh
[13:53] <sagaci> Serious Business
[13:54] <Bodman456> I think we should just keep the AU translation, but just have it use the GB language pack. 
[13:56] <Bodman456> Ifbit
[13:56] <Bodman456> If it's possible.
[14:17] <sagaci> so any translation we do now is for 11.10
[14:26] <head_victim> Yep, I'd say so