jasoncwarnerTheMuso bryceh_ RAOF robert_ancell00:03
RAOFDesktop team eastern edition?00:03
chrisccoulsonhi jasoncwarner!00:03
jasoncwarnerready for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-04-1200:03
RAOFHeydi ho!00:03
jasoncwarnerkeyboard remapped :/00:03
jasoncwarnerHi everyon00:04
jasoncwarnerAlright.... :) Ready?00:04
* bryceh_ digs himself out from under a pile of hybrid graphics bug reports00:04
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] X.org00:05
bryceh_was off yesterday but I gather RAOF got a few odds and ends of X bits put in00:05
bryceh_aside from that, strategy this week has been pushing bugs upstream as much as possible, so we can pull in fixes later00:06
RAOFWe've got the new mesa stable release, fixing some KDE problems on radeon.00:06
RAOFAnd ia32-libs needs a refresh now that the 32bit dri drivers will actually work.00:06
bryceh_oh chris btw if you get a moment can you look at bugs 747246 and 757744 (which might be the same), and see if they have any relation to the Qt issue you had been investigating earlier?00:07
ubot5Launchpad bug 747246 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "amdcccle crashed with SIGSEGV in QWidget::ungrabGesture()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74724600:07
ubot5Launchpad bug 757744 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "amdcccle crashed with SIGSEGV in QPersistentModelIndex::~QPersistentModelIndex()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75774400:07
RAOFAlso: OMG COMPIZ DEADLOCK.  Bug #754063 has been worked-around, but the underlying problem is still unknown and is triggerable, just not as easily.00:08
ubot5Launchpad bug 754063 in unity "System freezes when maximize button is clicked" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75406300:08
RAOFThose look like pretty weird bugs :)00:08
jasoncwarnerOk..all sounds good...Anything else there?00:09
bryceh_RAOF, yeah I usually don't worry much about crashes in the proprietary driver config tools00:09
bryceh_well, we're still having a lot of troubles with intel gpu lockups00:10
bryceh_but aside from continuing to push bug reports upstream not sure we can do much.00:10
RAOFWe also got a new X server, which mostly just contained a bunch of memory leak fixes.00:10
jasoncwarnerRAOF: nothing breaking, I trust?00:10
RAOFbryceh_: Sarvatt had an -intel commit which apparently should fix a bunch of those hangs.00:10
bryceh_RAOF, yeah I saw it... basically a "we give up, lets shut off the crashy bits" patch ;-)00:11
RAOFAh, the joys of intel hardware.00:11
bryceh_but I think esp. with intel we need to validate the patches before we consider them real fixes00:11
RAOFjasoncwarner: Nothing that appeared dangerous.00:12
bryceh_too many patches have been coming down which don't fix the bugs...00:12
bryceh_also, I mentioned hybrid graphics...00:12
jasoncwarnerOk...if nothing else for x (why does X always feel like we could talk forever about it? :) )... [TOPIC] AOB00:12
jasoncwarnerbryceh_: oh yeah00:12
jasoncwarnerwhat about those?00:12
bryceh_we don't support hybrid graphics switching (nor does upstream or AFAIK any vendors), but there's clearly some building expectations that it works00:13
bryceh_it's a hard nut to crack00:13
TheMusoMore and more notebooks are shipping with hybrid GPU setups now.00:13
RAOFDoesn't the new fglrx actually have some support for hybrid switching?00:13
* bryceh_ nods00:13
RAOFBuy me an ati/intel laptop and I'll help airled get that working :)00:14
bryceh_RAOF, phoronix rumors are all I can find00:14
* RAOF is looking into buying an ati/intel laptop *anyway*00:14
bryceh_that's probably a very good idea00:15
bryceh_RAOF, why don't you ping tgardner and see if he has any dell hybrid gfx models and if so if he could lend you one for this?00:15
broderdoes hybrid switching mean dynamically switching while x is running, or just doing the moral equivalent of vga_switcheroo?00:15
RAOFbroder: vga_switcheroo.00:16
bryceh_broder, no we're a LONG way from dynamic switching00:16
broderthat's what i thought, just checking :)00:16
bryceh_in fact X may never be able to do that00:16
TheMusoNow that doesn't surprise me.00:16
RAOFAirled's on it.  It may be sooner than you think.00:16
jasoncwarnerbryceh_: would wayland be able to support something like that, theoretically?00:16
TheMusoAnother case for wayland.00:16
broderi had been assuming that i needed to wait for wayland to get real dynamic switching00:16
bryceh_typical issue is someone installs -fglrx on an intel/ati system, reboots, and still -intel gets loaded (and fails due to glx conflicts)00:17
bryceh_jasoncwarner, theoretically, if you assume proprietary drivers gain wayland support ;-)00:17
RAOFbryceh_: I'm pretty sure that fglrx now co-exists (by means of magical hax!) with intel, and allows you to switch between them.00:17
RAOFRestarting X inbetween, obviously.00:17
jasoncwarnerOk...anythign else, or should we move to AOB?00:18
broderbryceh_: could we fix this by just not writing an xorg.conf for fglrx and nvidia-*?00:18
broder(now that X can auto-probe both of those)00:18
bryceh_jasoncwarner, nope, we can follow up on hybrid graphics elsewhere00:19
jasoncwarnerAight...anything for AOB (I just had one thing)00:19
jasoncwarnerWell then, mine.... :)00:19
jasoncwarnerRAOF: any word on that 10% CPU usage from banshee front?00:19
RAOFjasoncwarner: Oh, yeah.  I got a patch which drops that by 50%; it's upstream and in pkg-cli git, but I failed at uploading it before the beta2 freeze.00:20
jasoncwarnerah, ok...thanks100:21
RAOF(I uploaded it, but launchpad rejected it, apparently because I fail at dpkg-source 3.0)00:21
jasoncwarnerthanks, man...cool...00:22
jasoncwarnerwell then, anything else?00:22
jasoncwarnerif not, thanks everyone!00:22
jasoncwarner[END MEETING]00:22
bryceh_broder, just omitting the xorg.conf is not sufficient since you have kernel modesetting and framebuffer driver loading stuff going on as well; I think it requires some tweaks at the plumbing layer00:24
broderbryceh_: kms shouldn't be an issue. fglrx drops in an /etc/modprobe.d file, but it only blacklists radeon, so if intel is still hooked up, it'll still get loaded and kms'd00:25
broderif you omit the xorg.conf, the only remaining issues i know of are the nvidia logo and the libGL swap00:25
broderand the logo you could deal with with a small enhancement to the auto-discovery patch00:26
highvoltagewindows app store screenshot: http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-windows-app-store-screenshots-leak/00:35
highvoltagenice thing is that they seemed to have copied more from Software Center than the Mac App store :)00:36
mdeslaurUhm...is someone working on this? bug 75930500:55
ubot5Launchpad bug 759305 in unity (Ubuntu) "Pressing f1 in Unity bring up gnome-shell help" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75930500:55
JanChighvoltage: those screenshots are supposedly fake  ;)01:57
highvoltageJanC: ah :)02:35
jbichahi, I've got a very simple patch for the gnome3 ppa and I need some help submitting it03:01
micahgjbicha: file a bug and subscribe the team I guess?03:50
didrocksgood morning07:44
pittiGood morning08:06
SweetsharkGood morning all!08:06
pittihey Sweetshark08:06
Sweetsharkpitti: heya.08:07
* Sweetshark again had X/compiz/unity freezes yesterday evening. but just a freeze, not a crash, so no crashreports about it.08:08
RAOFSweetshark: Mouse works, cursor changes appropriately, but no window updates?08:09
SweetsharkI have the suspicion it it somewhat related to the tray icons of claws-mail and mumble ....08:09
SweetsharkRAOF: yes.08:10
RAOFSweetshark: Then I probably know what's happening (but not *why*, or exactly *where*, or how to fix it :()08:11
glatzormorning mvo08:14
SweetsharkRAOF: I know that feeling: "Dear user, could you do whatever you do to make it crash and stop right before the crash (which you have no indicator to predict) and gdb the product for the rest of the ride?"08:15
RAOFSweetshark: Oh, no.  If it's the bug I'm thinking of I can reproduce it *at will*08:15
mvogood morning glatzor!08:16
mvoglatzor: the upload is still in the frozen queue btw08:16
glatzorno problem08:17
RAOFIt's just all sorts of awkward - the *problem* is that X isn't responding to a reply on *one* of compiz' 3 display connections that's raised in response to an even on one of its *other* X connections, and then everything just waits for an event that will never arrive.08:17
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glatzormvo, your trainee seems to be very motivated :)08:18
mvoglatzor: have you seen this bug about the crash in ProvideMedium (#755655) its a bit confusing08:18
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mvoglatzor: absolutely08:18
mvoglatzor: best intern ever (so far at least ;)08:18
SweetsharkRAOF: hmmm.08:19
mvoglatzor: I need to motivate him to update aptdaemon and look at the open bugs next08:19
seb128hello desktopers08:22
seb128hey pitti, did we get new iso to test?08:28
pittihey seb12808:28
pittiseb128: yes, over night08:28
glatzorseb128, could you please translate LP #755655?08:31
ubot5Launchpad bug 755655 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with DBusException in _medium_required(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "ProvideMedium" with signature "s" on interface "org.debian.apt.transaction" doesn't exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75565508:31
seb128glatzor, it says that s-c asked for the natty dvd and bugged when he put the dvd in08:32
seb128didrocks, bug #746028 is for you btw08:32
ubot5Launchpad bug 746028 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Wallpapers are not updated on upgrade to Natty" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74602808:32
didrocksseb128: let me have a try08:34
didrocksso, I'm changing gimping my current wallpaper08:34
pittibonjour didrocks08:34
pittididrocks: feeling better today?08:35
seb128didrocks, is something supposed to be updating the copy on session start if the master image is newer?08:35
didrockspitti: hey pitti! yeah, the evening helped me to get rid of this not strong, but annoying headache, thanks! :)08:35
didrocksseb128: even not on start, there is an inotify on it08:36
seb128didrocks, well inotify works only if that user is logged in08:36
seb128what for non current users?08:36
didrocksI'm completely sure it worked for karmic -> lucid -> maverick08:37
didrocksseb128: the check is at start IIRC08:37
didrockslet me first try there08:37
seb128well it worked from the case where we added it, not sure if we ever tried the upgrade case with one image copied?08:38
didrocksseb128: I tried it08:38
didrocksfor gdm and the current user08:38
didrockswhy on earth unity-2d is copying every single system files :/08:38
robert_ancellpitti, hey, I did the shotwell update and opened bugs etc.  Should I upload it so it's in the queue?08:40
pittirobert_ancell: sounds good08:40
pittirobert_ancell: hey, good evening08:40
didrocksseb128: I edit it on gimp and it works, the cache is refreshed and the new background is shown08:40
didrockslet me see gdm again08:40
seb128didrocks, ok, well the bug got confirmed by several users08:41
seb128robert_ancell, hey08:41
seb128robert_ancell, you have a weird way to update packages!08:41
robert_ancellhi all08:41
robert_ancellseb128, ?08:41
didrocksseb128: for edubuntu, isn't it?08:42
robert_ancelloh, my list08:42
pittiyeah, I was just reading robert_ancell's response to the branch thread08:42
seb128robert_ancell, debchkout source; dch -v version; bzr bd-do08:42
seb128robert_ancell, bzr bd-do will download the upstream tarball for you, unpack the source with the debian dir and put you in the unpacked source08:42
didrocksseb128: did you confirm it?08:42
seb128you don't have to download anything or copy any debian dir around08:42
seb128didrocks, no I didn't try but edubuntu should not be any different?08:43
didrocksseb128: I don't know, anyway, the main case is working…08:43
didrocksthey should do something special08:43
seb128didrocks, ok thanks for checking08:43
didrocksseb128: I'll answer on it and subscribe08:44
seb128didrocks, thanks!08:44
robert_ancellseb128, hmm, that certainly is easier08:44
robert_ancellanyway, gtg, later all!08:46
seb128see you08:47
didrocksseb128: yeah, confirmed that if the timestamp of the new image is < to the old one, it won't refresh08:47
didrocksseb128: maybe that's it for edubuntu wallpaper?08:47
ricotzpitti, good morning, could you look at this bug, it will also solve the needed rebuild against the newer gio-sharp - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docky/+bug/757140 - http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/docky/08:48
ubot5Ubuntu bug 757140 in docky (Ubuntu) "docky crashes everytime" [Undecided,Confirmed]08:48
didrocks(well != rather)08:48
seb128why would the timestamp be older though?08:48
didrocksseb128: yeah, no idea… either that or a setting (name) change case, let's wait what they would answer08:49
seb128pitti, bug #707592 got a new duplicate, bug #75903108:59
ubot5Launchpad bug 707592 in cups (Ubuntu) "cupsd assert failure: cupsd: ../avahi-common/dbus-watch-glue.c:205: timeout_data_ref: Assertion `t->ref >= 1' failed." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70759208:59
ubot5Error: Launchpad bug 759031 could not be found08:59
seb128pitti, should the old one be reopen in such cases?08:59
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pittiseb128: if it's clear that the previous patch didn't fix it, then yes; otherwise a new one might be better09:04
seb128pitti, do you have any preference for this one?09:04
pittiwill look in a second09:04
seb128Sweetshark, bug #746375 is a crash which quite some users seem to get09:06
ubot5Launchpad bug 746375 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in uno_type_sequence_construct()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74637509:06
seb128bryceh_, RAOF, bug #748487 might be worth triaging or sending upstream since quite some users get compiz to crash on it09:07
ubot5Launchpad bug 748487 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "compiz assert failure: compiz: nouveau_context.c:260: nouveau_update_renderbuffers: Assertion `!ret' failed." [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74848709:07
pittiseb128: let's keep the new one for now, I'll ask Till09:10
seb128pitti, thanks09:10
seb128hey rodrigo_, how are you?09:11
rodrigo_hi seb128, I'm fine thanks09:12
Sweetsharkseb128: yeah. that bug is happening in the UNO datatype wrappers, so it while the stacktrace looks the same it might actually be very different root causes.09:13
seb128Sweetshark, ok, I'm just reviewing the crash bugs which seem to concern quite some users and pinging to be sure someone review those in case that's something that should be fixed for natty09:18
Sweetsharkseb128: although ...09:25
Sweetsharkwhen opening the attached stacktrace, there are some more clues. But I would still need a scenario to reproduce this, to verify the issue.09:27
seb128Sweetshark, ok, feel free to ask questions on the bug maybe one of the subscribed users will reply ;-)09:30
seb128pitti, btw you fixed some apport "crashes" by ignoring setlocale() errors but do you know why setlocale() fails to start?09:32
seb128like bug #198758 is getting quite some similar cases recently09:33
ubot5Launchpad bug 198758 in compizconfig-settings-manager (Ubuntu) "[hardy] ccsm crashed with Error in setlocale()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19875809:33
pittiseb128: it happens if you set LANG to an invalid value, or uninstall a langpack support09:33
seb128pitti, I just want to make sure that's it's not indicating we screw locales by some way09:33
pittiseb128: one instance was that we had a regression in maverick-backports in gdm which set $LANG wrongly09:33
pittithat was fixed a day afterwards, but it caused a major influx of such bugs09:33
seb128those are 11.04 duplicates09:33
seb128I'm wondering if that's a clue that something is wrong in natty09:34
pittihm, I got some 5 dupes on bugs like that, nothing that worried me too much yet; does above have more?09:34
seb128pitti, check the right column09:34
seb128it has a bunch yes and I've seen similar setlocale crashes on other components09:35
seb128mvo, could you check on bug #72179709:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 721797 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu) "update-apt-xapian-index crashed with SystemError in open(): E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/viewizard.com_linux_debian_en, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72179709:40
mvoseb128: sure09:43
seb128glatzor, mvo: btw aptdaemon seems to still get unicode error crash bugs it might be worth checking as well09:47
seb128mvo, bug #633003 as well09:52
ubot5Error: Launchpad bug 633003 could not be found09:52
seb128or bug #63589309:52
ubot5Launchpad bug 635893 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu) "update-apt-xapian-index crashed with OverflowError in index()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63589309:52
seb128kenvandine, bug #700667 is assigned to you btw09:52
ubot5Launchpad bug 700667 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "gwibber crashed with DBusException in call_blocking() on startup" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70066709:52
seb128mvo, sorry it's often your stuff showing the python retracer logs ;-)09:53
glatzorseb128, thanks. they should be fixed with rev. 615.09:54
seb128glatzor, ok09:56
mvoseb128: no worries09:58
seb128glatzor, bug #759023 btw09:58
ubot5Launchpad bug 759023 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "aptd crashed with TypeError: watch_lock() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75902309:58
seb128that might be an easy to fix09:58
mvoseb128: a new aptdaemon is in the queue with a bunch of fixes from glatzor09:58
* mvo hugs glatzor09:59
seb128glatzor, is bug #753829 fixed in the same commit that bug #74526110:04
ubot5Launchpad bug 753829 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "aptd crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in _method_reply_error(): 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6' in position 30: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75382910:04
ubot5Launchpad bug 745261 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "aptd crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _set_error(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 4: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74526110:04
seb128they are in different functions so just checking10:04
chrisccoulsonpitti - is there going to be another language pack upload before final release?10:56
pittichrisccoulson: I think yes10:57
chrisccoulsonpitti - excellent. i'm going to put some new xpi's in po2xpi, with a pre-mangled maxVersion (which says 4.0.*)10:57
pittiseb128: did you sponsor ubuntu-sso-client?10:57
pittianyway, was a double upload, I rejected one of it10:58
seb128pitti, yes, sorry about the double upload local screwing, they are identic so you can drop any of those10:58
chrisccoulsonpitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/po2xpi/trunk/revision/6011:36
pittichrisccoulson: refresh for final?11:37
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah. these won't break when we get a 4.0.1 release :)11:37
pittichrisccoulson: pulled into langpack-o-matic11:37
chrisccoulsoncool, thanks11:37
davmor2My sansa fuze isn't showing up as a music player in natty like it does in maverick it shows up as a usb mass storage device, what's the package I need to file against please.11:42
pittidavmor2: media-player-info is a good start11:44
davmor2pitti: thanks11:44
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czajkowskirodrigo_: youa bout?11:57
rodrigo_czajkowski, hi11:58
ubot5Ubuntu bug 756426 in json-glib (Ubuntu) "unable to set double (fixed upstream)" [Undecided,New]11:58
czajkowskirodrigo_: dholbach said you might be able to help with this11:59
rodrigo_czajkowski, yes, sure11:59
rodrigo_for maverick?11:59
czajkowskiaye 10.1011:59
rodrigo_czajkowski, I can submit a merge proposal for that, but we'd need someone to do the SRU12:00
rodrigo_czajkowski, let me submit the branch and then we subscribe ubuntu-sru12:00
czajkowskigreat thanks12:00
rodrigo_seb128, pitti: that's the process, right?12:00
czajkowskiajf_: welcome12:01
czajkowskiajf_: see your bug does get looked at.12:01
czajkowskirodrigo_: thank you12:01
pittirodrigo_: you should get it uploaded to the queue, much faster review turnaround12:01
ajf_hello, was me that submitted the bug, thanks for looking guys12:01
rodrigo_pitti, but I need someone to sponsor it12:01
seb128rodrigo_, is that a sru or a natty upload?12:01
rodrigo_seb128, a maverick sru -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/json-glib/+bug/75642612:01
ubot5Ubuntu bug 756426 in json-glib (Ubuntu) "unable to set double (fixed upstream)" [Undecided,New]12:01
pittirodrigo_: as usual, as around here and/or subscribe ubuntu-sponsors12:02
rodrigo_just checked, and natty has 0.12, so should be ok12:02
rodrigo_pitti, ok12:02
seb128rodrigo_, subscribe the sponsors, I will sponsor it later if nobody else does it before12:02
rodrigo_seb128, ok, I'll prepare first the branch12:03
rodrigo_hmm, what's the correct maverick branch?12:03
rodrigo_~ubuntu-branches.... ?12:03
pittirodrigo_: lp:ubuntu/maverick/json-glib12:04
rodrigo_pitti, and the update is for maverick-proposed (in changelog), right?12:04
pittiubuntu:maverick/json-glib works as well12:04
pittirodrigo_: correct12:04
rodrigo_ok then12:04
ajf_yeah natty will be fine, it just causes a problem to apps that use it for serialisation on maverick12:04
chrisccoulsonhow does glib handle calling something like g_settings_get_string on a key of a different type, or one which doesn't exist?12:11
chrisccoulsondoes the application abort?12:11
chrisccoulson^^desrt ;)12:12
rodrigo_ajf_, czajkowski: do you have a maverick machine?12:13
didrockschrisccoulson: if it's one which doesn't have a schema associated, it aborts12:13
chrisccoulsondidrocks, ah, i thought so. thanks12:14
chrisccoulsonso, the mozilla guys are quite justified in being a little bit twitchy about this12:14
czajkowskinope mne are all natty12:14
ajf_rodrigo_: yeah I have a VM with me12:14
didrockschrisccoulson: they are not alone :)12:14
rodrigo_ajf_, can you try building my branch, and, if possible, testing it?12:14
ajf_sure would be happy to help12:15
rodrigo_ajf_, I tried building it in natty, but it needs old packages not present12:15
rodrigo_ajf_, ok, let me push it12:15
rodrigo_ajf_, lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/json-glib/fix-75642612:16
seb128didrocks, btw the french translation list is responsive, I fwd the email about the libreoffice wiki for the unity lists earlier and they translated it since12:18
seb128Sweetshark, ^12:18
seb128Sweetshark, you got french translations now for libreoffice12:18
dpmseb128, Sweetshark, could you wait for the LO upload tomorrow? Tomorrow is NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline, and translators rely on those dates12:19
didrocksseb128: do you know who acked it?12:20
seb128didrocks, who acked what? seems bruno did the translations12:20
didrocksseb128: oh nice!12:20
seb128didrocks, there is a nicolas who replied on the list to say they conflicted with bruno on one translations and to discuss a wording choice12:20
didrockswell, at least, there is activity, nice to see that :)12:21
seb128dpm, sure, I didn't say we should upload I just pointed that we got french translations, those were still lacking12:21
dpmyeah, no worries, just making sure (in our team we haven't translated them yet :)12:22
seb128dpm, not sure your email was clear on the list btw since you fwd something with a subject easy to skip over12:22
seb128I had to fwd it with a note on the french list because it was picked up there12:23
dpmseb128, actually, that's a good point, let me re-send it with a clarification12:23
seb128dpm, thanks12:23
Sweetsharkdpm, seb128: I will prepare a package with what I have now, and look tommorrow if there are any last minute changes on the wiki.12:24
SweetsharkLO takes ages to build ...12:24
seb128didrocks, btw just curious but what difference does the include do?12:24
seb128didrocks, i.e http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity/unity-preferences/revision/111612:25
Sweetsharkwould bug 751746 need a FFe?12:26
ubot5Launchpad bug 751746 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "icelandic lang-pack for Natty absent in repositories" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75174612:26
pittiSweetshark: would be nice for coordination at least, as it will also require updates in language-selector12:27
didrocksseb128: only glib/gi18n-lib.h takes into account GETTEXT_PACKAGE IIRC for each g_dgettext call12:28
dpmthanks Sweetshark!12:28
seb128didrocks, well it's built with -DGETTEXT_PACKAGE=... so it ought to be set without include?12:28
pittiSweetshark: as the upload will be after NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline, we need an FFE (but won't be a problem)12:29
didrocksseb128: the issue isn't GETTEXT_PACKAGE not being set there. Look at /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gi18n.h and /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gi18n-lib.h. Only the latter reuse GETTEXT_PACKAGE at each _() usage12:31
seb128didrocks, oh right, gotcha, thanks12:32
didrocksseb128: yw :)12:32
seb128didrocks, I always find it confusing to have to do those bindtextdomain, right include, setlocale etc12:32
seb128didrocks, there should be a "set_translation(domaine, locale)" and be done ;-)12:33
didrocksseb128: agreed… and we directly see one example of the source of confusion :)12:33
didrocksseb128: right, one default which can be overriden locally12:33
seb128didrocks, ok, so I think in principle your fix is wrong but it works so that's ok ;-)12:34
pittinew ubuntup desktop CDs up for testing12:34
pitti(last one had a major ubiquity bug)12:34
didrocksseb128: we are using this header in unity as well12:35
didrocksseb128: but yeah, we should set the default domain, which we don't do (and don't need with that library)12:35
seb128didrocks, well I think the idea is that standalone softwares should use gi18n.h and setlocale()12:35
seb128didrocks, gi18n-lib is as the name indicates for lib which can't just define the domain one since they should not impact on the client code12:36
Sweetsharkpitti: so the issues for 3.3.2-1ubuntu3 will be bug 740815 (has FFe), bug 720716 (needs FFe) and bug 751746 (needs FFe), while we postpone bug 756895 to O.12:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-2.0 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74081512:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 720716 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Please add unity Quicklist support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72071612:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 751746 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "icelandic lang-pack for Natty absent in repositories" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75174612:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 756895 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Include updated Humanity style" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75689512:37
didrocksseb128: yeah, I can set_domain then…12:37
seb128didrocks, don't bother12:37
seb128didrocks, in practice it should make any difference and even if dgettext is slower than gettext it's not in that capplet that we will see an issue ;-)12:38
didrocksseb128: heh, right :)12:38
seb128didrocks, I was rather curious to know if there is any drawbacks of using dgettext, like if it makes the translation be loaded at each call rather than only once12:38
bigonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745540 << some ubuntu one dev around?12:38
ubot5Ubuntu bug 745540 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) "Method "CreateItem" with signature "a{sv}(oayay)b" on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist" [Undecided,New]12:38
seb128didrocks, but it's a non issue for that particular case, I'm just rather curious ;-)12:38
ajf_rodrigo_: verified it works fine, thanks :)12:39
rodrigo_ajf_, ok, submitting the merge proposal, thanks!12:39
seb128bigon, try asking dobey12:40
pittiSweetshark: thanks; I just approved 720716 (quicklists), and updating 751746 (icelandic); for the latter, is the package name fixed?12:40
pittiSweetshark: I mean "won't change" and "I can commit that to lang-sel"12:40
didrocksseb128: as I'm picky, I did rev 1118 :)12:41
seb128didrocks, ;-)12:41
pittiSweetshark: nevermind, lang-sel is fine as it is12:42
didrocksseb128: btw, the glib documentation is quite ironic with the example including the wrong header: http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.28/glib-I18N.html12:42
seb128didrocks, it's a library example they have (gtk)12:43
didrocksseb128: oh yeah, I got puzzled by the sypnosis :)12:44
bigondobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745540 << could you have alook at that? gnome-keyring 3.0 breaks backward compatibility12:44
rodrigo_please someone review/upload this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/json-glib/fix-756426/+merge/5747412:44
ubot5Ubuntu bug 745540 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) "Method "CreateItem" with signature "a{sv}(oayay)b" on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist" [Undecided,New]12:44
seb128rodrigo_, ok12:44
rodrigo_seb128, thanks12:45
seb128rodrigo_, yw12:46
seb128rodrigo_, btw can you take on some other bugs?12:46
rodrigo_seb128, yes12:46
seb128rodrigo_, I've noticed yesterday we still have work items on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-gnome3 to handle some applets deprecation on upgrade12:48
rodrigo_hmm, /me looks12:48
seb128if you want to have a look to that12:48
rodrigo_yes, sure12:48
seb128rodrigo_, we stopped building some, I think gnome-applets has a list of ones to ignore so gnome-panel doesn't try to load them and display and error on first logging after upgrade12:49
seb128rodrigo_, otherwise bug #743176 might be worth checking if it's easy to backport and if the GNOME3 version fixes the issue12:49
ubot5Launchpad bug 743176 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) "Pink layer on taken screenshots (gnome-screenshot)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74317612:50
seb128rodrigo_, bug #723841 got some affect users as well12:50
ubot5Launchpad bug 723841 in file-roller (Ubuntu) "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72384112:50
seb128rodrigo_, well random things that need work so feel free to pick any of those12:50
seb128rodrigo_, you still have the e-d-s-addressbook crash and the g-s-d race as well12:50
seb128rodrigo_, those added should be enough to keep you busy I think ;-)12:51
rodrigo_seb128, yes, debugging those with the users12:51
Sweetsharkis there a way to mark bug 759704 as "patch available" without copying the patch over from the upstream bugzilla?12:51
ubot5Error: Launchpad bug 759704 could not be found12:51
Sweetsharkis there a way to mark bug 759704 as "patch available" without copying the patch over from the upstream bugzilla?12:52
pittiSweetshark: set it to "fix committed"?12:52
pitti"it" -> the ubuntu task12:52
seb128Sweetshark, you can also subscribe ubuntu-sponsors if what you want is it reviewed and maybe uploaded12:53
Sweetsharkpitti: not debian upstream, but FSF upstream12:54
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, in https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-gnome3 , what work items were you referring to?12:54
rodrigo_ah, those 2:12:55
rodrigo_handle gdm user switch applet deprecation on update:12:55
rodrigo_handle tomboy applet deprecation on update:12:55
seb128rodrigo_, right12:56
didrockspitti: so I saw the other day your comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/754583/comments/17 (didn't have the time to answer sooner). I think it's mpt who made some drawing and it respects it.13:01
ubot5Ubuntu bug 754583 in Ayatana Design "UIFe: Launcher - update launcher reveal interaction to make it more accessible to first time users" [Critical,Fix released]13:01
* rodrigo_ lunch13:11
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seb128could somebody check if gnome-sound-recorder works with appmenu for you?13:32
Sweetsharkdpm: Im a bit unhappy about the providied translations for "Name" at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/LibreOfficeBase and friends. I would have assumed those to be only transcripted for nonlatin alphabets and be kept as a proper name unchanged for langs using latin alphabets. Am I allowed to change that when commiting it?13:32
seb128didrocks, mterry: ?13:33
Sweetshark(well, the exception is that "LibreOffice Base" is "BrOffice Base" in pt_BR for historic reasons)13:33
mterryseb128, hi13:34
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it's working here13:34
seb128hey mterry13:34
seb128hum k, doesn't work for me13:34
mterryseb128, works here too (classic gnome)13:34
seb128but I've double menus activated on my session13:34
didrocksseb128: works as well13:35
seb128not sure if that can make a difference13:35
seb128thanks for checking13:35
dpmSweetshark, which one in particular? You mean the 'te' one in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/LibreOfficeBase, where they've translated LibreOffice as well? If the name is not translatable due to licensing issues, we might want to add a notice to the page. As per changing it back, if necessary by all means, but I'd give a heads up to the translators who did the actual translations, as otherwise they might not be happy to get their translat13:38
dpmions reverted without any notice13:38
Ampelbeinhi there, bug 754461 got 5 duplicates since libnux 0.9.42-0ubuntu1 (which fixed it according to changelog) has been uploaded.13:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 754461 in nux (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::WindowCompositor::RenderTopViews()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75446113:40
seb128Ampelbein, it was not really fixed but it's fix commited in trunk and will be in natty tomorrow13:41
Ampelbeinseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/754461/comments/713:41
seb128Ampelbein, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/111713:42
seb128is the fix if you want to try it13:42
Ampelbeinoh, so the upload closed the wrong bug?13:42
dpmSweetshark, yeah, so if we're talking about 'LibreOffice', this only affects the Telugu 'te' translations, doesn't it?13:42
seb128Ampelbein, no, they though it was fixed but it was not13:43
seb128Ampelbein, it has been really fixed since13:43
seb128will land tomorrow13:43
Ampelbeinah, now I get it13:43
Ampelbeinseb128: thanks.13:43
seb128tkamppeter_, hi, is the fact that system-config-printer is lacking lot of translations known?13:43
Sweetsharkdpm: no 'te' is fine for me, as it is a nonlatin rendering. Someone using that local might not be able to read latin. I mean the 'de' and 'nl' translations as they are changing a "product name" "LibreOffice Base" -> "LibreOffice Datenbanken" ...13:43
dpmSweetshark, we used to do that in OO in the original strings already (change the product name). Why is this a problem with LO (I'm not disputing it, I'm just asking)? Translators are used to translate the LO entries as they translated the OO entries, I guess13:45
dpmFor the record, I was going to translate "LibreOffice Base" to "Bases de dades del LibreOffice" as well :)13:45
dpmto a Catalan user the product name won't tell him/her anything, where as that translation will let him/her know what the launcher is about13:47
SweetsharkWell, of course we can do whatever we want with the translations, but I assumed "Name" to be an abstract name that is only translated on nonlatin alphabets (or when the product name differs(, while "Generic Name" is a descriptive one.13:48
SweetsharkI just know, that I would like to have upstreamed the translations, and there I know it will cause arguments if "Name" is traslated too.13:50
seb128the issue there is that i.e gnome-panel menus display the Name=13:50
seb128dpm, pitti: we have a small issue with gnome-user-share, it was demoted by error and repromoted during the cycle but didn't get a rebuild, side effect is that it ships its translations and that rosetta has no template for it, I guess we should keep it this way for natty?13:52
seb128dpm, pitti: it seems a bit tight schedule to do a non change upload, if translations are slow to be important as is the template we might get stripped binaries and not langpacks?13:53
pittiseb128: no-change upload seems fine13:54
dpmSweetshark, yeah, but if I'm not mistaken 'Name' is what is shown in the launcher. And many teams translate other product names anyway. I.e. the 'Calculator' in gcalc is also translated. When upstreaming the translations, who do you thik will argue? The LO developers or the LO upstream translators? Notice that some of the people that submitted the .desktop entry translations for Ubuntu are also upstream LO/OO translators13:54
dpmseb128, if it was demoted, the template had to be deactivated manually. I didn't notice it and didn't do it, so we might be in luck and it might still be in rosetta. Let me check...13:55
seb128dpm, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-share13:56
seb128dpm, it was demoted in 10.10...13:56
dpmah, in that case it won't be in natty13:56
seb128dpm, pitti: well are we sure that the template and the translations will be in rosetta before the next export?13:56
pittiI don't know13:56
seb128ok, so better to play safe and keep it this way? side effect is that one string comes from a distro patch and so can't be translated13:57
seb128one other option would to upload with the variable set to not have the translations stripped13:57
dpmseb128, pitti, we don't know, but the last export is in ~9 days, and as a rule of thumb imports are taking 1-2 days, so I'd assume it should work out13:57
seb128so we can get at least the translations imported?13:57
seb128dpm, should we do an upload non stripped for now and redo one stripped later if we see translation being in place on time?13:58
chrisccoulsoni just noticed that the greasemonkey submenu in firefox shows lots of separators14:00
chrisccoulsondoes anyone else see that?14:00
seb128dpm, do you need to manually approve the template if I do that?14:02
seb128chrisccoulson, confirmed14:02
chrisccoulsonseb128, thanks14:03
dpmseb128, I'm not sure I follow. Is it now possible to upload the package without its translations being stripped and at the same time get the template built and imported into LP? If that is the case, yeah, I'd go for that + a latter upload when the template is imported. Yes, any new template needs to be approved manually, unfortunately, but it's a matter of seconds14:03
chrisccoulsonhow do we get ubottu in to our IRC channel? he seems to have gone AWOL14:04
seb128dpm, oh you have a point, what about I do a normal upload and if we see it's not going to be ready for the export I redo one without stripping monday or something?14:04
seb128chrisccoulson, we have an ubot now which does the job as well?14:05
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, any bot is fine :)14:05
dpmseb128, yeah, let's go for that (normal upload + fallback non-stripping upload if necessary). I think it should work out14:05
chrisccoulsonwe don't have any in #ubuntu-mozillateam14:05
seb128dpm, thanks14:05
seb128chrisccoulson, I had to ask on #ubuntu-devel to get it back14:06
seb128dholbach pointed to someone who made it join14:06
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks14:06
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tkamppeterseb128, I did not know that s-c-p lacks translations, no one reported a bug about seeing untranslated text.14:09
seb128tkamppeter, do you want one? the Server, Group, View etc menus are not translated in french, nor are most of the add  printer dialog strings14:10
tkamppeterseb128, there is only a bug with a crash happeing with setlocale(), bug 748964, and Tim Waugh cannot reproduce it on Red Hat.14:11
ubot5Launchpad bug 748964 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "scp-dbus-service.py crashed with Error in setlocale(): unsupported locale setting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74896414:11
seb128tkamppeter, like Host, Enter device URI, the serial settings14:11
seb128tkamppeter, those strings are not even on the rosetta templace14:11
seb128SMB Printer, Queue, the smb example14:12
seb128tkamppeter, do you have those translated?14:12
tkamppeterseb128, strange that no one reported a bug. 1.3.x ios in Natty for a longer tiome now.14:12
tkamppeterseb128, I use an English interface, not German.14:12
seb128tkamppeter, ok, I will open a bug14:13
tkamppeterseb128, do you know someone who is more expert on Python apps with translations who could help here?14:14
seb128tkamppeter, let me check on what the issue can be there first, those strings are not on the launchpad translation template so it could be a packaging bug14:15
tkamppeterseb128, the original "make install" produces the translations in the usual /usr/share/locale/<language>/LC_MESSAGES/system-config-printer.mo14:18
dobeybigon: ugh14:28
seb128tkamppeter, ok, I found the issue14:29
seb128tkamppeter, the .ui listed in po/POTFILES.in need to have a [type: gettext/glade] on the start of their lines14:30
bigondobey: should use python-gnomekeyring ?14:30
seb128tkamppeter, it means basically that none of the gtkbuilder strings are translatable at the moment14:30
seb128tkamppeter, do you want me to upload a fix?14:30
seb128tkamppeter, or do you prefer a patch in a bug14:30
seb128dpm, ^ we will have 212 new strings to translate in system-config-printer once that's fixed btw14:31
tkamppeterseb128, I have uploaded system-config-printer_1.3.1+20110222-0ubuntu14 and it waits for approval (to fix several crashers), should I upload -0ubuntu15 with this fix or should we reject the current 0ubuntu14 and I upload a new 0ubuntu14 with the translation fix added? Or will you simply upload a 0ubuntu15 (you probably know much better where to insert this [type: gettext/glade]).14:33
seb128tkamppeter, let's upload a 0ubuntu15 with that fix, I can do that if you want, I will open a bug with the diff as well so you can forward it to upstream as well14:34
dobeybigon: no. we use the fd.o secrets API so we can eventually work with both keyring and kwallet, and anything else that implements it14:34
seb128no nessita today?14:35
seb128she's next on my translator complain list14:35
tkamppeterseb128, OK, then approve the 0ubuntu14 and upload the 0ubuntu15 after that. Please tell me the bug number which contains the diff for upstream.14:35
seb128tkamppeter, I will upload 0ubuntu15 they will both get in after the freeze14:36
seb128dpm, can you manually upload http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/system-config-printer.pot please?14:36
seb128dpm, it's a template that will make system-config-printer actually translatable for its gtkbuilder uis14:36
bigondobey: ok well you could contact stefw (but he told me that the specification still (or was) a draft)14:37
dobeybigon: well we don't claim to work with gnome3 either. if keyring broke compatibility as well at that level, i'm sure there are lots of things based on 2.x that don't work with it14:39
rickspencer3pitti, seb128, everyboyd ... beta 2, word on teh street?14:39
rickspencer3didrocks, ^14:39
rickspencer3mot dans la rue?14:39
didrocksrickspencer3: le "mot de la rue" is pretty good unity side :)14:40
didrocksrickspencer3: got a common crash fixed in bamf yesterday14:40
didrocksstill wait on post-beta2 to hopefully get the ccsm crash away14:40
rickspencer3didrocks, right, last upload for beta 2, unless something changed after I left14:40
rickspencer3didrocks, will we be easily able to detect crashers on Friday that are new to us for beta 2?14:41
seb128rickspencer3, desktop and unity seems solid, I didn't follow the details about the wubi and ubiquity issues14:41
didrocksrickspencer3: seems there is a respin with a new ubiquity though14:41
bigondobey: indeed but I guess this will have to be fixed at some point :)14:41
rickspencer3in other words, will it be easy to see on Friday from the crash reports if we know about all the crashers?14:41
seb128rickspencer3, crashers yes, I do a review of the retracers log twice a day14:41
rickspencer3seb128, <314:42
seb128rickspencer3, dx and didrocks watch the bug reports as well14:42
seb128so I think those combined give us pretty nice coverage14:42
rickspencer3seb128, well, I was wondering more at the numeric level14:42
didrocksrickspencer3: if we can get the ccsm fixes for next upload, yeah, crashers will be way more clear14:42
rickspencer3it doesn't sound automated14:42
rickspencer3but, nice work!14:42
dobeybigon: does ubuntu-sso-client 1.2.1 work btw?14:42
seb128rickspencer3, well my review tell me which bugs got duplicates since the previous review and the count14:42
rickspencer3seb128, ok, sweet14:42
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rickspencer3so, people are saying that Unity/desktop is looking good14:43
seb128rickspencer3, it's pretty much automated, I run a grep sort uniq -c magic on the log and they give be a list of bugs ranked with their dup count14:43
rickspencer3seb128, have you heard about wubi and ubiquity from users and bug reports?14:43
bigondobey: 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 here on natty14:43
seb128rickspencer3, better to check with pitti about those, I noticed they had some issues and they had to do a respin but I'm not sure where we stand exactly14:44
rickspencer3ok seb128, I was just wondering14:44
seb128ok "dunno" then ;-)14:44
rickspencer3fwiw, 11.04 is rock solid for me, and a complete joy to use14:44
dpmseb128, done: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/system-config-printer/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot14:45
rickspencer3some nits in applications here and there, but Ubuntu itself is crazy great for me14:45
* rickspencer3 goes to test if his beamer crasher on his netbook is fixed14:45
seb128dpm, you rock thanks, could you also drop an email to the translators about it to say we are sorry about the issue and that they have some 212 strings to translate?14:46
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seb128dpm, well none of them raised the issue earlier seems there is no bug about it so not sure how testing we get14:46
dpmseb128, sure, will do in a bit, btw, is this a bug in the template creation in the package, or what was it?14:48
seb128tkamppeter, ok, bug #75981114:48
ubot5Launchpad bug 759811 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "gtkbuilder files incorrectly listed in the POTFILES.in and so are not translated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75981114:48
seb128tkamppeter, do you want to apply and upload the patch yourself or should I do it? since you have your recent upload locally you can probably easily apply it and do a 0ubuntu15?14:49
seb128dpm, thanks, bug #759811 it was14:49
ubot5Launchpad bug 759811 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "gtkbuilder files incorrectly listed in the POTFILES.in and so are not translated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75981114:49
seb128dpm, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/69240103/system-config-printer.patch14:50
dpmseb128, ok, thanks14:50
seb128dpm, basically if you don't tell intltool how to parse gtkbuilder files it ignore those14:50
dpmah, yeah, I've seen similar bugs in the past14:51
seb128dpm, the pot I gave you is generated with the fixed version and should be fine, I verified it lists Queue: and some of the strings which are obviously not translated in the current versions14:52
dpmseb128, ok, cool14:55
tkamppeterseb128, OK, I will upload it. Please approve 0ubuntu14, so that I can upload 0ubuntu15.14:56
seb128tkamppeter, no need to have it approved to have a new version on the queue they will both stay there and be accepted after beta2, thanks14:57
tkamppeterseb128, OK, and thanks for the patch.14:57
seb128tkamppeter, you're welcome14:58
rodrigo_can someone please review/merge/upload this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-applets/handle-deprecated-applets/+merge/57498 ?15:45
seb128rodrigo_, otp right now but I can do that after that call16:12
rodrigo_seb128, no hurry, do it when you can, thanks :-)16:13
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mvoeh, so after a upgrade I now get a "your hardware is not capable of running unity, choose clasic". but when I press classic I get traditional anyway16:21
seb128mvo, you mean?16:32
mvowell, it tells me that in order to get my normal environment I need to log into classic but when I close I get classic (and the message appears never again). that is a bit odd16:34
* mvo tries to find the message again for the exact wording16:35
seb128mvo, right the idea is that it sends you to classic but doesn't change your session16:36
seb128mvo, so on next login you would have unity again and the same dialog16:36
seb128until you pick classic in gdm16:37
seb128it's to avoid switching users to G16:38
seb128GNOME just because they didn't have the binary drivers on after first login16:38
mvook, what package generates the message? its gone now for me for some reason but when reading it first I was confused and I would like to re-read again to see if it was the message or me16:41
seb128mvo, gnome-session16:44
seb128mvo, see /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session16:46
seb128the FallbackClassicGnomeMessage key16:46
seb128Laney, do you have any clue about bug #738039 or similar?16:46
ubot5Launchpad bug 738039 in libappindicator (Ubuntu) "package libappindicator0.1-cil 0.2.99-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73803916:46
mvothanks! well, I find the message not ideal, it tells me to choose classic to see the classic environment but then just continues and give me the classic environment. but its a really minor point, just struck me as odd16:47
didrocksthere is a gconf key to make it reapparing16:47
seb128Laney, those seem to be "WARNING **: Could not load file or assembly 'Mono.Security, Version=, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its dependencies." and similar errors16:48
seb128lpi also has a bunch of similar bugs16:48
seb128mvo, right, I can understand that, how would you suggest improving it?16:53
seb128mvo, the dialog should perhaps say "you will be sent in the classic session but pick it on the login screen to avoid getting this dialog at every login"16:54
mvoI guess a native speaker should loo kat it :) but your version is cleaner already I thnk. I see the message only once here in my test16:57
mvonot sure if my test box is wrong (or missed a upgrade of a package or something)16:57
Laneyseb128: looking16:57
seb128Laney, thanks16:59
seb128Laney, we didn't get lot of recents ones so maybe it was a breakage in natty which got fixed since?17:00
seb128didrocks, so we default to show it only once?17:00
* vish wonders how kenvandine makes his hackergotchi display in evolution message header for this one » https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2011-April/015540.html17:00
seb128but right, mvo has a point, we should just say that the classic session will be used for video driver reasons17:01
didrocksseb128: yes, we do, there is a gconf key to control that behavior17:01
seb128dpm, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-share/+imports17:03
seb128dpm, do you need to approve those?17:04
seb128dpm, the 5th ones is the template in that list17:04
dpmseb128, done. Let's see how long it takes to change state to Imported17:09
seb128dpm, thanks17:09
seb128dpm, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-share17:11
seb128dpm, it's imported \o/17:11
Sweetsharkhmmm, bug 746375 seems to cause a bamfdeamon crash.17:13
ubot5Launchpad bug 746375 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in uno_type_sequence_construct()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74637517:13
dpmseb128, oh excellent, the imports queue must have been empty, so we were in luck ;)17:13
Sweetshark(that is before crashing LO)17:13
seb128Sweetshark, did your upgrade today?17:14
Sweetsharkseb128: yes17:14
seb128what bamfdaemon version do you have installed?17:14
seb128the libreoffice crash issue should have been fixed yesterday evening with 0ubuntu217:14
seb128did you restart unity since the upgrade?17:15
Sweetsharkseb128: still at ubuntu1. I will update and restart the session.17:15
seb128Sweetshark, thanks17:16
seb128Sweetshark, no need to restart the session if you don't want to, just run "unity"17:16
Sweetsharkseb128: looking good17:17
seb128ok ;-)17:18
kenvandinevish, not sure... i think it just uses the face set in gnome-about-me17:20
vishkenvandine: ah! yea, messages header has the section filled for "Face: "17:21
kenvandinei keep telling people that evolution is cool :)17:23
kenvandinenobody seems to believe me though17:23
JanCkenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/701723/comments/12 <-- I think I found the reason why gwibber doesn't work after upgrading for several people?17:28
ubot5Ubuntu bug 701723 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "gwibber crashed with KeyError in render_profile_url(): u'twitter'" [Medium,Confirmed]17:28
kenvandineJanC, oh?17:28
kenvandinei was just debugging that17:28
JanCon upgrade teh backends don't (always?) get installed17:29
kenvandineyeah, that is really annoying17:29
kenvandineeven if i remove the backends17:29
kenvandinei don't get that error17:29
davmor2kenvandine: btw  gwibber lens fantastic but why does it open the website if you click on a tweet rather than opening gwibber?17:29
JanCoh, I did get them until I installed the backends17:29
kenvandinedavmor2, too late to make gwibber able to handle them17:30
kenvandinedavmor2, that will come next cycle :)17:30
kenvandineJanC, humm17:30
kenvandinei removed buzz and didn't get the traceback17:30
kenvandinebut... then again my buzz feed is empty17:30
JanCkenvandine: are the backends supposed to be installed on upgrade?17:30
kenvandinesince i have never been able to get buzz working with my google account17:31
davmor2kenvandine: Ah man I can't wait for 11.10 are we nearly there yet ;)17:31
JanCI had an identica account17:31
micahgis there a way to debug something not launching from places or the unity launcher, but does from the cli?17:31
kenvandineJanC, no... apt doesn't install Recommends on upgrade17:31
JanCwell, update-manager could do some magic, I suppose  ;)17:32
kenvandineJanC, ok, i can reproduce it if i remove other plugins17:33
JanCkenvandine: if gwibber could launch USC for missing backends that would be cool  ;)17:34
JanCbut probably not possible before the release17:34
kenvandineprobably too late to add a feature like that :/17:34
JanCin any case a dialog window would be immensely more useful than crashing without any feedback to the user17:34
kenvandinewell i'll fix this failure17:35
kenvandinei thought i had caught them all17:35
kenvandineman i hate python-mako17:35
kenvandinethose tracebacks have no relation to the actual mako templates17:35
JanCwell, can't you just check for missing backends before you get that far?17:37
kenvandineit isn't that17:38
kenvandinethe problem is something in the template that needs the service icon17:38
kenvandineand the icon isn't installed17:38
seb128kenvandine, new recommends should be installed on upgrade17:38
kenvandineactually, no... that isn't it17:38
seb128check with mvo17:38
kenvandineit isn't in the features list17:38
seb128though it's not new we get bugs about that17:39
kenvandineseb128, yeah... it did for me at least a couple times17:39
kenvandinebut i also saw it fail17:39
kenvandinei think it might be dist-upgrade vs. upgrade vs. update-manager17:39
JanCif it matters, I have "install recommends" disabled17:39
kenvandinedifferent behavior depending on how you get there17:39
kenvandineJanC, yeah... so it will bite you for sure17:40
kenvandinei think if you do a apt-get upgrade17:40
kenvandineyou won't get them either17:40
kenvandinebut it won't hold it back... so you don't get it on the next dist-upgrade17:40
JanCmaybe you should have made gwibber-service a transitional package for upgrades that hard-depends on all backends (that existed in maverick)17:41
JanCbut I guess it's too late for that too17:42
kenvandineduring the alphas, i had hoped to get more feedback on the transition17:43
kenvandineto see how much it bit people17:43
kenvandinemost users only use a couple of the services17:43
JanCI guess I don't use gwibber a lot  ;-)17:43
JanCso I just found out today17:44
kenvandineand some of the other services are rather buggy, and i would rather users not have them unless they take the trouble to install them17:44
kenvandinelike buzz17:44
kenvandineJanC, well i am glad you used it today :)17:44
JanCanyway, *any* error dialog (not in the terminal, which most users don't use) is better than nothing17:44
kenvandinesome users swear that buzz works in gwibber17:44
kenvandinebut i have never gotten it to work!17:44
kenvandineso i am not thrilled with supporting it :)17:45
kenvandinesegphault says it is something messed up with my google account17:45
kenvandinebut i have several accounts, it fails for all of them17:45
kenvandinebut i have seen a screencast of it working for a user... so it must kind of work :-p17:46
kenvandineJanC, ok, i have a fix17:49
dpmhey kamstrup, all set for your appdeveloperweek session later on?18:04
chrisccoulsonhmmm, how long have i been gone? i didn't realize xchat had crashed :/18:08
kenvandinechrisccoulson, looks like about 2 hours18:09
chrisccoulsonoh well ;)18:09
seb128hey nessita18:10
seb128nessita, stop closing my bugs! ;-)18:10
nessitaseb128: :-D18:12
nessitaseb128: stop reporting known issues! :-P18:12
nessitathanks, BTW, for the bugs and the releases18:12
seb128nessita, well I checked for open bugs but you duplicates from closed bugs18:12
seb128nessita, I'm not really happy about the fact that those got closed without keeping any bug to track those issues still18:13
seb128nessita, I don't care much that the datas come from the server or not the fact that they are not translated is a bug somewhere and should be recorded18:13
nessitaseb128: what do you suggest? I'm open to suggestions to improve the workflow18:13
seb128nessita, ;-)18:13
seb128nessita, to have a bug open against the server if needed but still there is a bug somewhere so the request is valid18:13
nessitaseb128: fair enough, let me dig into the server bugs (there should be one already)18:14
seb128nessita, if there is one don't bother to search for the number I will take your word for it ;-)18:14
nessitaseb128: I'm not sure, so if there isn't one I'll create one18:15
seb128nessita, or just reassign mine to the server component?18:15
seb128nessita, btw I think the splash screen thing is just weird, it doesn't look like a splash screen, it's like the dialog load show something and flicker before you have time to see what was in it18:16
kenvandinewoot, someone just contributed a sina plugin to gwibber, sina is like twitter in china18:17
nessitaseb128: I'm thinking possible solutions18:17
kenvandinesince china blocks twitter18:17
mvokenvandine: what is/was the problem? sorry, missed the earlier bits18:19
kenvandinemvo, now that the gwibber plugins are split out and are "Recommends"18:21
kenvandinesome people don't get them on upgrade18:21
mvokenvandine: the only time that I can see this happen if e.g. because of a arch:all vs arch:any mismatch its not availabe yet, then apt will skip the recommend18:22
mvokenvandine: I could add magic to u-m to double check, but generally apt should just install it18:22
kenvandinemvo, it would happen on apt-get upgrade right?18:22
kenvandinedist-upgrade would pull them in18:22
kenvandinebut not upgrade18:23
mvokenvandine: thats true18:23
kenvandinemvo, i think we are fine, i just fixed another bug related to having accounts for a service that isn't installed18:24
nessitaseb128: seems like there is no specific bug for the storage/service info, so I'll reopen yours and affect u1servers18:29
seb128nessita, thanks a lot!18:29
nessitathank you!18:30
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pittigood night everyone, Taekwondo time18:41
didrockspitti: enjoy!18:43
didrocksdinner time here, see you!18:45
jbichahi, I've got a small bugfix for the gnome3 PPA if someone wants to take a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/natty/gnome-control-center/fix-for-75938219:36
seb128mterry, hey19:39
seb128mterry, your valgrind instructions will not work the applet or unity will reactivate the service before valgrind starts19:39
seb128mterry, usually what I do is to gdb --pid $(pidof unity-panel-service) before19:40
seb128or under GNOME unload the applet19:40
mterryseb128, for the application service?  I don't usually see it started automatically19:40
mterryseb128, for the panel-service I agree19:40
seb128mterry, weird, usually any indicator service is restarted when there is a renderer displaying it19:41
kenvandinekind of loving some of the inflow of new gwibber bugs this week, just wish it was a month ago :/19:54
kenvandineseems we just had a big boom of users upgrade to natty19:54
cyphermoxkenvandine, I'm seeing the same re: networkmanager and 3g dongles... with it was a month ago yeah ;)20:00
kenvandinegot some really useful bug reports this week... and fixes queued up :)20:01
kenvandinewhich is great20:01
davmor2kenvandine: a lot of people were told to try it but not install it so possibly didn't have it on long enough to try gwibber to any extent20:04
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dobeyrodrigo_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/593729/20:58
bcurtiswxkenvandine, empathy is spotless, not a single new complaint..... of course I was dreaming that..21:03
bcurtiswxthere's a nasty facebook certificate bug, plus the action of "save my selection" doesn't work.  Waiting for upstream to get the 2nd part of that taken care of :)21:04
kenvandinebcurtiswx, yeah... that is annoying21:06
dobeyi'm sure i could come up with some complaints if you think they're lacking :)21:08
* bcurtiswx hides in corner21:08
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chrisccoulsonhmmm, the greasmonkey menu issue is a bit of a pain22:13
peterishi, is there from launchpad gnome3-team? Can I help with reporting bugs about PPA packages? Or it's not worth that22:14
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pittinight everyone23:07
seb128'night pitti23:07
rickspencer3'night pitti23:10

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