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dokoslangasek: ecj, had it seen here, couldn't reproduce it locally01:38
cndmy system currently won't run unity; all unity windows are invisible02:02
cndhowever, the daily build works02:02
cnddaily iso that is02:02
cndso I'm trying to figure out why that would be02:02
cndI don't have any relevant ppas installed02:03
cndI was wondering if there was a way to tell apt to reinstall *everything*02:03
RAOFcnd: Yes - ‘sudo aptitude reinstall ~n’02:13
RAOFNote that will fail if you've got a locally installed package :)02:13
cndRAOF, do you know if there's a way to check for any packages that are locally installed?02:21
cndthat's the first thing I want to try, but I don't know how to do it02:21
RAOFcnd: Well, that aptitude line will tell you about the locally installed packages it can't reinstall :)02:21
cndahh, before it starts?02:21
cndRAOF, should aptitude be barfing all over my console?02:22
RAOFYeah - that actually says “reinstall all packages in the archive”, and relies on aptitude only reinstalling packages that you've actually got installed.02:23
RAOFIt does, however, say “not reinstalling $FOO; not installed” for each binary package FOO in the archive :)02:24
cndahh :)02:24
broderwhy not do aptitude install ~i?02:24
brodererr, reinstal02:24
RAOFbroder: Because I didn't know about that :)02:24
cndwhat's the difference?02:24
broder~i matches "all installed packages"02:25
broderso aptitude reinstall ~i says "reinstall all packages that are installed"02:25
cndwell, I only had one manually installed package: linux-image-2.6.34-2-generic02:26
cndhmmm.. maybe it only tells me about manually installed packages one at a time...02:28
cndRAOF, is there a faster way than running aptitude reinstall every time to find one missing package at a time?02:32
RAOFThere almost certainly is, but I'm not aware of it.02:33
brodercnd: is the issue that you're missing a dependency?02:34
broderbecause just running apt-get install -f should fix that02:34
cndbroder, the issue is that unity works when I test a daily iso build02:35
cndbut it doesn't work quite right when I run it in my real installation02:35
cndthe unity windows are transparent02:35
cndI've tried all the easy things like reinstalling the mesa libs02:35
cndand all the unity related stuff02:35
pooliecould someone please review and approve my sru  of bzr for bug 707075?02:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 707075 in bzr (Ubuntu Lucid) "[sru] lp-propose fails with a 404 error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70707502:51
cndRAOF, aptitude show ~i/natty | grep Unable03:13
cndspits out lines like:03:13
cndUnable to find an archive "natty" for the package "openoffice.org-core"03:13
RAOFOh, yeah.  Removed from the archive / renamed.  Joy!03:14
cndit's hacky03:14
cndbut it works :)03:14
calcanyone know how to get the old scrollbar back in ubuntu classic?03:43
TheMusocalc: remove liboverlay-scrollbar I think.03:57
calcTheMuso: ok thanks04:13
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achiangis there any way to see an older debdiff of a package that doesn't have a bzr branch in LP?05:34
achiangpackage is phonon (4:4.7.0really4.5.0-0ubuntu3) natty; urgency=low05:35
achiangand i can see the ubuntu2 -> ubuntu3 debdiff, of course05:35
achiangbut i'm quite interested in what the ubuntu1 -> ubuntu2 change was05:35
RAOFLaunchpad keeps those changes (and, indeed, all the source packgages)05:36
RAOFCheck out launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon/natty05:36
achiangRAOF: hm, 404?05:37
RAOFHah.  Sorry, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/phonon05:38
RAOFOh.  Yeah.  You found it :)05:38
achiangRAOF: cool, and i found the debdiff i was after05:38
alkisgI'm suspecting that early in the boot process, shell's job control is broken, so `command &` in early initscripts doesn't execute "command" at all. I'm trying to debug it now with a Lucid LTSP client, but it's difficult and time consuming.05:55
alkisgHas anyone heard of such a problem?05:55
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SpamapSalkisg: no but it sounds very interesting06:10
alkisgIn an LTSP initscript we have this: (ntpdate $TIMESERVER && hwclock --systohc --${HWCLOCK:-utc} --noadjfile) &06:11
alkisgAnd it sometimes works, sometimes not06:11
alkisgIf we remove the &, it always works06:11
alkisgCurrently I tried: (echo "CALLING NTPDATE $TIMESERVER"; ntpdate $TIMESERVER && hwclock --systohc --${HWCLOCK:-utc} --noadjfile || echo "DONE NTPDATE $?") &06:12
alkisgI got the output of the first echo, but not the second one06:12
alkisg(not even in boot.log)06:12
SpamapSyou're doing this inside initramfs ?06:15
alkisgNo, in an initscript06:16
SpamapSalkisg: ah, hm. I'd expect it to work quite reliably then.06:17
* alkisg tries some ntpdate parameters, and also to replace ntpdate with a big "sleep" to see if that would work...06:18
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sorenalkisg: & works even when busybox complains about lack of job control.06:57
sorenalkisg: You just can't ctrl-c or ctrl-z and such.06:57
sorenalkisg: What do you have before and after that (ntpdate... ; hwclock) &  call?06:58
alkisgsoren: thanks, indeed the problem wasn't in spawning the process, but there's something killing the spawned process06:58
alkisgSo far I have the following tests:06:58
alkisg(echo "CALLING SLEEP 2"; sleep 2; echo "DONE SLEEP $?") & ==> I don't get the second echo06:58
alkisg(ntpdate -p 1 $TIMESERVER && hwclock --systohc --${HWCLOCK:-utc} --noadjfile) & ==> with the -p 1 parameter, "get one sample only", it works because it finishes quickly before something kills it06:59
sorenSomething outside must be killing it.06:59
alkisgSo now I'm trying to find out what kills those processes06:59
sorenHence my question: What's before and after that call?06:59
sorenCAn you pastebin the whole script?06:59
alkisgIt's a collection of scripts, of course I can pastebin them but they're many07:00
alkisgThat line is inside a function in a separate line from the rest of the initscript07:00
alkisgTo make a clear test case, I can write another initscript07:00
alkisgWith just that single line in it07:00
alkisg*..in a separate FILE, not line07:00
* alkisg gets the kids to school and will continue testing with a simple initscript in 30'...07:01
* soren applies caffeine in mean time07:02
coolmegoany ideas on how to make a graphical boot like suse in ubuntu07:04
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StevenKRAOF: Where is the MPRIS plugin for Do hiding?07:30
RAOFStevenK: http://cooperteam.net/MPRIS.dll07:30
RAOFI could give you source, too, if you wanted.407:31
RAOFI haven't got around to launchpadding it :)07:31
RAOF(Just dragging the dll onto Do's plugin preferences window will install and enable it)07:31
StevenKRAOF: It doesn't seem to?07:34
RAOFIt should have added “play”, “pause”, etc actions...07:35
StevenK* (Do:2050): WARNING **: Missing method get_Session in assembly /home/steven/.local/share/gnome-do/plugins/addins/MPRIS.dll, type DBus.Bus07:35
StevenKRAOF: That's from .xsession-errors07:36
RAOFWhat version of Do?07:36
RAOFAh, you're on Maverick?07:37
RAOFHeh.  I've built it against Natty, and it's probably picked up the libdbus1.0-cil dep (rather than libndesk-dbus1.0-cil)07:37
RAOFStevenK: http://cooperteam.net/do-plugin-mpris.tar.bz2 ; extract that, install mono-xbuild, and run ‘xbuild’ in the MPRIS directory.07:39
StevenKRAOF: Done. Where does that stuff the .dll?07:41
StevenKRAOF: Ah ha. Same install procedure?07:43
RAOF(You might have to rm ~/.local/share/gnome-do/plugins/addins/MPRIS.dll first; I'm not sure if we overwrite)07:43
didrocksgood morning07:44
RAOFAloha didrocks!07:44
StevenKRAOF: Neat, that gives a stacktrace in .xsession-errors07:44
didrockshey RAOF :)07:44
RAOFStevenK: Cool!  What's the stacktrace?  I may have mis-coded the dbus paths; I was testing against banshee :)07:45
StevenKRAOF: It is complaining that it can't find dbus-sharp. I can't find the package, either07:46
RAOFBut it built for you?07:46
* RAOF is confused.07:46
StevenKRAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/593448/07:47
RAOFStevenK: Could you remove the bin/ directory and re-run xbuild?  I'm not convinced that it *actually* built.07:49
StevenKRAOF: Would you like the output from xbuild?07:51
RAOFStevenK: Yeah, why not?07:51
StevenKRAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/593451/07:52
RAOFOh.  Right.07:52
alkisgsoren, SpamapS: I created a simplified initscript to reproduce the problem: http://pastebin.com/cdkgbtmu07:53
alkisgIndeed, any processes spawned to the background by that iniscript is forcibly killed after a few seconds, but I don't know what kills them.07:53
RAOFStevenK: Yeah.  dbus-sharp doesn't actually exist in Maverick, but it's a drop-in replacement for ndesk-dbus.  Try “sed -i s/dbus-sharp/ndesk-dbus/g MPRIS.csproj” and then xbuild again ;)07:54
StevenKRAOF: Based on the tracebacks, it seems it still wants dbus-sharp07:56
StevenKsteven@liquified:~/Desktop/MPRIS% grep -r dbus-sharp .07:56
StevenKBinary file ./bin/Debug/MPRIS.dll matches07:56
RAOFOk.  pkg-config fail.  It needs to be ndesk-dbus-1.0 and ndesk-dbus-glib-1.0.07:58
RAOFMPRIS.csproj is just an awful xml file, it should be hand-editable.07:59
RAOFOr, I could fix it locally and throw it up for you.07:59
StevenKRAOF: The <Package> bits already say that, the <Reference> needs to change too?08:00
RAOFStevenK: Bah.  New do-plugin-mpris on cooperteam.  This should build and work for you :)08:04
pittiGood morning08:06
sorenalkisg: Try adding an S99 script that writes "the end" to the same file as that test script.08:06
sorenalkisg: ...and see if that actually markes the end of it.08:06
alkisgsoren: trying...08:06
sorenalkisg: If so, I have a guess as to what's going on.08:06
RAOFHm.  Note to self: suspend, rather than shutdown, your machine so that the >1hr fsck.btrfs that happens each boot doesn't annoy you so much.08:08
StevenKRAOF: Do.Universe.Common.RunAction "Run" encountered an error in Perform: System.Exception: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.quodlibet was not provided by any .service files08:09
RAOFStevenK: Win!  It's built, installed, and is running!08:10
RAOFStevenK: Now... you've got the quodlibet mpris plugin installed, right? :)08:10
StevenKRAOF: I doubt it08:11
RAOFStevenK: Ah.  Well, install it and then the Do end should work!08:11
StevenKRAOF: Apparently, I did, it just doesn't turn up in Quod :-(08:12
RAOFDoes quodlibet appear on the bus?08:13
pitti+  * Added xfce4-indicator-plugin to desktop08:30
pittisuperm1: ^ that smells like a FFE? has this been discussed anywhere, and should get into beta-2? (would mean a rebuild)08:30
pittisuperm1: hm, mythbuntu-default-settings also introduces the dependency; isn't that a little redundant?08:31
alkisgsoren: In that file, I got: "start 4[Enter]start 2[Enter]stop 2[Enter]the end"08:51
sorenJust as I thought.08:52
alkisgI guess something kills all child processes of rcS initscripts at the end of that boot phase. But is this a correct behavior?08:52
dholbachgood morning08:55
sorenalkisg: I'm trying to work that out.08:58
sorenalkisg: Oh, hang on.. What's you script called?08:58
alkisgsoren: I put the names on the headers08:59
alkisgS33spawn-test -> ../init.d/spawn-test09:00
alkisgS99finish-test -> ../init.d/finish-test09:00
sorenAh, ok.09:00
alkisgsoren: here's the finish-test, if you need it: http://pastebin.com/XHCrgtxS09:01
sorenalkisg: I'd file a bug against upstart. I don't really know if it's a bug, but that's probably the best way to get the discussion going.09:09
sorenalkisg: For now, you can probably get out of it by using nohup.09:10
alkisgsoren: thank you for both suggestions09:10
* alkisg tries nohup...09:10
ev@pilot out09:28
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alkisgsoren: thanks again, I filed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/75956809:35
ubottuUbuntu bug 759568 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Processes spawned by initscripts are forcibly killed if delayed" [Undecided,New]09:35
dholbachjames_w, regarding the history-differs ubuntu branches: why do we have conflicts in some of them? what do you think is the best way to treat those? there's like 3 left now09:41
seb128ntfs-config might be worth dropping from natty, it seems to not work without hal and just trigger apport seeing bugs on launchpad10:01
seb128or it needs fixing, well pointing it in case someone is interested to check on this one10:02
avinashhmHi, my minicom output gets garbled once in a while .. its using ttyUSB4 .. if i restart my computer , this is proper again .. Is there any way to enumberate ttyUSB4 as a different ttyUSBx ?10:04
Riddell@pilot in11:20
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czajkowskiara: would you know who to poke about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/json-glib/+bug/75642611:38
ubottuUbuntu bug 756426 in json-glib (Ubuntu) "unable to set double (fixed upstream)" [Undecided,New]11:38
dokois Andreas Moog here on the channel?11:38
chrisccoulsondoko - yes. he's Ampelbein11:39
dokoAmpelbein: if you want to make priorities for build failures, just leave the ld-no-add-needed reports for now. It's disabled for the final natty release11:40
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Riddelllifeless: you're into samba, have you tried usershare with natty?  I can't get it to work except with guest ticked, authentication doesn't want to work12:58
AnAntHello, how can I add software categories in Unity's application browser ? I've got extra-xdg-menus installed , yet I don't see the Electronics category for example13:03
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Ampelbeindoko: ok, I will focus on the other buildfailures. thanks.13:18
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chrisccoulsonhow can we get ubot5 in to #ubuntu-mozillateam? our bot seems to have gone AWOL14:06
chrisccoulsondholbach, do you know? :)14:07
chrisccoulsonseb128 suggested you might ;)14:07
dholbachchrisccoulson, tsimpson should be able to help14:07
chrisccoulsondholbach, thanks14:07
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Picichrisccoulson: If you ask in #ubuntu-irc, someone should be able to help you (if tsimpson hasn't already).14:10
chrisccoulsonPici, thanks14:10
mdeslaurchrisccoulson: your bot is using chromium now...sorry :)14:11
Davieycjwatson, Having an interest in debootstrap, i wondered if you had thoughts on bug 740167?14:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 740167 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "LXC natty guest failing to configure properly" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74016714:21
cjwatsonDaviey: I'll have a look14:25
Davieycjwatson, thanks.14:32
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hallyncjwatson: hi,15:01
hallyncjwatson: we're trying to decide whether the kernel fix for kvm's INT mis-push needs to go into natty release15:01
cjwatsonI'm agnostic on the subject15:01
hallyncjwatson: what exactly was going wrong for you that made you track that down?15:01
slomodoko: hey, is debian/ubuntu's gcc 4.6 patched to ignore -Werror for the new compiler warnings (variable assigned but not used, etc)?15:01
cjwatsonI mostly just left the milestone the way it was when I thought it was a gfxboot bug15:01
cjwatsonhallyn: see the start of the bug report :)15:01
cjwatsonit causes translations to go missing in the CD boot menu15:01
hallynok, thanks15:02
cjwatsonso I spent half a day or so debugging that and eventually tracked it down to this15:02
cjwatsonI guess I don't know how much else it affects15:03
cjwatsonit was a surprise to me that the breakage caused by it seemed to be so limited, but I guess the kernel doesn't use real mode a whole lot15:03
apwcjwatson, so the bug is affecting the CD boot menu ... i guess that is the tip of the iceberg, so we probabally want it fixed for release15:03
lfaraonepitti: when you have a chance can you sync bug 759830? (fixes CVE-2011-1500 and other bugs)15:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 759830 in pithos (Ubuntu) "Sync pithos 0.3.8-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75983015:06
ubottu** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1500)15:06
superm1pitti, yes i suppose you're right, i'll file one, it should make it by gold but beta 2 isn't urgent15:07
pittisuperm1: ah, good to know15:08
pittisuperm1: btw, new mythbuntu rebuild still oversized despite the mythtv fix15:08
superm1i was surprised no one filed a bug on it yet15:08
superm1gah, still really?15:08
dokoslomo: yes15:09
slomodoko: hah great, thanks for confirming :)15:10
superm1well that doesn't make sense, I don't see anything to blame for installing it in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/mythbuntu.natty/15:10
slomodoko: when will you drop that patch?15:11
dokoslomo: before a release15:11
cjwatsonhallyn: should I steal bug 740167?  I seem to be half-way through it now ...15:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 740167 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "LXC natty guest failing to configure properly" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74016715:13
hallyncjwatson: sure be my guest :)15:13
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hallyncjwatson: I was tempted to stay up last night and track it down further, bc boy did it bother me.  But then I'd be tired and cranky today :)15:14
cjwatsonhallyn: heh, in fact there's a to-do comment for exactly this15:15
cjwatson        # XXX: I can't think how to deal well with dependency resolution and15:15
cjwatson        #      lots of Packages files. -- aj 2005/06/1215:15
hallynyeah i saw that, and felt sort of bad for him :)15:15
hallynbut come on, it's 2011 no2 :)15:16
hallynnow even15:16
cjwatsonah, if only bugs got magically easier over time ;)15:16
hallynit's like budget cuts - when there's time to address them we find better things to do15:17
cjwatsonI guess I just need to cat all the component Packages files together15:17
cjwatsonand be a bit careful about edge cases15:17
cjwatson... actually, surely I can just look through each of them independently15:18
hallyni was just going to keep separate 'tocheck' and 'checked' pkglists and walk tocheck one by one, adding dependencies to tocheck, until done...  not as magic as what it's trying to do now, but hopefully reliable15:20
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pittilfaraone: done15:22
lfaraonepitti: thanks! :)15:24
eurofordhi all15:28
eurofordI'm developing a gwibber plugin for Sina15:28
eurofordI meet a package problem15:29
eurofordSina has some icon file, and how could add them to the gwibber package15:29
eurofordthe sina patch is ready15:29
superm1pitti, i don't see any reason why mythtv-themes is getting installed, it's got no rdepends and it's not called out in any of the seeds15:32
superm1any other ideas?15:32
pittiso ubunt2 still has Task: mythbuntu-backend-master, mythbuntu-backend-slave, mythbuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-frontend15:33
* pitti apt-get updates15:33
pittisuperm1: the task headers are gone15:33
pittisuperm1: might be that it would have needed one more publisher cycle15:33
pittisuperm1: I can trigger a rebuild in about 30 minutes if you want15:33
superm1pitti, yeah that would be good15:34
pittisuperm1: ok, will do then15:36
pittisuperm1: seems it didn't yet get any testing anyway, so at least we wouldn't lose that15:37
pittia smoketest would be  good, though15:37
pittito see if there are other issues15:37
mdeslaurcjwatson, pitti: I was told you two should see bug #75980415:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 759804 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "after fresh install, jockey thinks nvidia binary driver is in use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75980415:40
cjwatsonev did most of the jockey integration in ubiquity15:40
mdeslaurev: ^15:40
pittioh, is the nivida driver installed in ubiquity through jockey now?15:41
pittimdeslaur: did you have the nvidia-current package installed?15:41
mdeslaurpitti: the package was installed, but dkms didn't have any modules built for it15:41
mdeslaurpitti: I installed while checking the "3rd party" checkbox...I'm not re-trying without it15:42
evyes it is15:43
evwhen you check the 3rd party software box15:43
evas requested by dx, I believe15:43
mdeslaurev: ah, well that may explain the problem...the dkms modules aren't being transferred to the installed system15:43
evit does jockey-text -C15:43
evI thought it did it in the chroot...15:43
* ev digs15:43
Sarvattthe blacklist isn't either15:44
Sarvattsince nouveau is still getting used15:44
pittimdeslaur: right, the current handler skips the "is module loaded" check, as we leave that to the nvidia-common alternatives setup15:44
tjaaltonhas it been discussed before to install SSSD by default, replacing pam_{unix,ldap,krb5,winbind,ccreds}.so, nscd et al.. ? i was thinking of writing a topic for oneiric15:45
evyeah, it effectively does: chroot /target jockey-text -C --no-dbus15:45
pittimdeslaur: ah, ignore me, it does check if the module is loaded15:46
pittimdeslaur: so lsmod|grep nvidia doesn't show the module as loaded?15:47
mdeslaurpitti: I am currently reinstalling, I'll check in a bit15:47
pittimdeslaur: I don't see how used() could return True if "nvidia" isn't loaded15:48
Sarvattthere's no trace of the kernel module at all, jockey doesn't know about it and its not in lspci, there is a blacklist blocking nouveau installed in the package too that isn't getting used since he's using nouveau15:48
mdeslauractually...ProcModules.txt in the bug doesn't have nvidia loaded15:48
pittimdeslaur, ev: could it be that it does copy the actual .ko, but doesn't copy the dkms meta information?15:48
Sarvatterr dkms doesn't know about nvidia-current, not jockey sorry15:49
Sarvatthis dkms status was blank15:49
superm1it should still be the dkms in the chroot used to build it i would think15:50
pittihm, so I'm really stunned; I have no explanation, would it be possible to get ssh on an affected box?15:50
pitti(all intel here, sorry)15:51
mdeslaurpitti: sure...I can set that up15:51
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pittimdeslaur: FYI, I have an O planning meeting in 9 minutes, then another call/dinner/release management, so no hurry15:52
mdeslaurpitti: yeah, I need to reinstall the laptop back to the broken config anyway, so it'll take a while15:53
psusislangasek: is there a reason NOT to dup bug #746924 against #751689?  Jamie seems to have come up with a good test case as well16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 746924 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "kernel default cpufreq governor fails to take action when system is overheating" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74692416:12
slangasekpsusi: I asked jdstrand and he thought it might not be the same bug; I have no preference16:12
slangasekI know how to undupe if it turns out to not be fixed for me :)16:12
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mantienaHi ev16:18
mantienaWhen is the final date for fixing ubiquity and ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu translations? According to the Natty release schedule deadline is tomorrow, do you have any plans to update ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu and ubiquity translations from launchpad after April 14 ?16:21
cjwatsonanything after tomorrow is not guaranteed16:22
cjwatsonyou may get it, you may not16:22
cjwatsondo not plan on it16:22
cjwatson(sorry, I just realised you were talking to ev, didn't mean to interrupt)16:23
evquite alright16:23
evmantiena: I've been doing translations pulls with each ubiquity upload. I'll do an upload of both with the most recent translations tomorrow.16:24
mantienaI've finished the ubiquity translation today, tomorrow I plan to make final tests with real installation, can you tell the hour in UTC until I can make fixes (if I found any problems in translation)16:26
mantienaev, cjwatson: I've finished the ubiquity translation today, tomorrow I plan to make final tests with real installation, can you tell the hour in UTC until I can make fixes (if I found any problems in translation)16:29
cjwatsonno, sorry16:29
cjwatsonexact hours just encourage people getting stuff done with five minutes to spare16:30
cjwatsonbesides I don't know that either ev or I plan things that closely16:30
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pittiev, cjwatson: I followed up to bug 759804; it seems that it installs nvidia/dkms/builds the module just fine, but after that it purges all kernel images (with dkms) and installs -pae17:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 759804 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "after fresh install, jockey thinks nvidia binary driver is in use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75980417:12
pittiev, cjwatson: can this happen the other way around?17:13
pittii. e. first install the final kernel, then call jockey -C?17:13
pittimdeslaur: ^ FYI17:13
pittiadded installer syslog now; off for dinner, bbl17:17
evahh, I wonder if we're missing a bit of intelligence in traverse_for_kernel17:17
evbut yes, this does upon first glance look like an ordering issue17:17
pittiev: btw, does installing -pae also install the matching kernel headers?17:20
pittiev: jockey tries to install them as well, but it uses uname to install for the currently running one17:20
pittiso I suppose that won't catch that it's going to be run for -pae17:20
evjust trying to deepen my understanding17:22
evit's been a while since I've dug into base-installer and friends17:22
jonomvo, ping?17:25
davmor2mvo: don't answer it's a jono trap17:26
jonodavmor2, ?17:26
jonodavmor2, you are so weird :-)17:26
davmor2jono: just playing dude :)  mvo knows better than to pay any attention to me unless I've spotted a bug :)17:27
evokay, I think I've got a rough patch to test with17:29
Laneystgraber: I don't think I'll have time today to start the email processing. Would you be able to do it?17:39
stgraberLaney: I'm quite busy today too, if I have time it'll probably be quite late tonight.17:40
Laneygeser bdrung maco cody-somerville: ^^^ if any of you have some spare time17:40
stgraberLaney: oh, actually, I won't even be home tonight :( so really unlikely I'll find the time ...17:44
RoAkSoAxbarry: ping17:53
mdzpitti, cjwatson, kees, Rick's summary regarding Unity is on technical-board@17:54
mdzit was stuck in moderation :-/17:54
RoAkSoAxbarry: I'm gonna go ahead and upload bug #747236 if that's ok with you17:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 747236 in apache-openid (Ubuntu) "ftbfs with python2.7" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74723617:56
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pittisuperm1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/20110413.2/18:02
pittisuperm1: amd64 is much better, but missed the limit by a hair18:02
pittiev: thanks!18:04
superm1pitti, oh man, just can't win! :)18:05
evwell, we'll see how that goes18:05
evit was entirely cowboyed18:05
evI'll give it a try if others don't report back18:06
evanyone know what might create /home/buildd?  I'm digging through the obvious candidates but coming up empty18:07
* pitti greps http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/Contents-i386.gz18:08
pittiev: hm, nothing in Contents.gz, so not a package18:09
superm1i wonder why amd64 is so significantly larger than i386 though; 651 vs 700, I feel like there shouldn't be such a delta18:09
pittisuperm1: indeed; we usually have two or three more langpacks on i386, but not 50 MB18:10
evpitti: thanks the same18:10
pittisuperm1: did you already compare the manifests?18:10
pittiev: I keep trying to remember teh package which builds teh livefs chroot18:10
superm1pitti, yeah, believe it or not, i386 has two more packages than amd64, geode and i74018:10
pittiev: ah, that one; no obvious weird mkdir there, though; where do you see this?18:11
evpitti: it's a laptop in the possession of the design team, though I could've sworn I saw it somewhere else18:12
evcame up in user testing18:12
superm1looks like the pool on amd64 has libc6-i386 and lib32gcc1 pulled in on amd6418:13
superm1but that's only about 3.4 megs18:14
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mvojono: pong18:20
jonomvo, just a quick q: I noticed that for Volleybrawl in the paid apps section of the USC, it has 14 ratings but no reviews, is that a bug?18:20
jonowasn't sure if I should file a bug18:21
mvojono: hm, I see that here, what language are you using? what is lsb_release -a displaying?18:23
jonomvo, :18:23
jonojono@forge:~$ lsb_release -a18:23
jonoNo LSB modules are available.18:23
jonoDistributor ID:Ubuntu18:23
jonoDescription:Ubuntu Natty (development branch)18:23
jonomvo, I wasnt sure if there are just ratings but no reviews18:24
mvojono: hm, odd, that should work18:24
jonobut I wasnt sure if you could just leave a rating18:24
seb128jono, do you use en_GB?18:24
mvojono: there is one know bug in the current archive version, it will raise a error after the review, but the review will make it through18:25
jonoseb128, my keyboard and language is set to US18:25
jonobecause I am 'merican now18:25
seb128just curious if it would list GB reviews only and there was none18:25
seb128it's a bit confusing when you use a non english locale and there is no review in your language18:25
seb128you get the scoring but no comment18:26
jonomvo, seb128 other reviews appear fine18:26
jonoit is just for Volleybrawl18:26
jonothought it might be something specific to that repo18:26
superm1pitti, okay well i ditched some stuff from the pool by modifying the seed, i'm confident we should be under size limit now.   whenever  that is made effective can you queue a rebuild again?18:27
* hallyn hates context-free patches18:29
hallyn-p ftw18:29
mvojono: works for me (but I use the version that is currently in the frozen queue of natty). I use en_DK18:29
kiwinotemvo: looks like this is an issue with the ReviewLoaderJsonAsync, with the threaded loader from trunk it works fine18:30
jonomvo, when will I get the new version, post-Thurs?18:30
mvokiwinote: yeah, I moved that to a spawner now, third iteration to get it right :) (hello btw :)18:30
kiwinotemvo: there was a tmp issue in the current version in natty which causes the json loader to be used, tremolux fixed it in rev 169418:30
kiwinotehi ;)18:31
mvojono: you could use bzr get lp:software-center; cd software-center; PYTHONPATH=. ./software-center18:31
mvokiwinote: yeah, I noticed that on monday morning, the fix I put in for the multiprocess/accessiblity crash did not actually work and I fixed it now in a different way in trunk18:32
pittisuperm1: would you mind asking in #u-release? I need to disappear soon18:36
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mdzpitti, cjwatson, Keybuk, kees, do you think we should have a one-off TB meeting to look at Unity as of beta 2?18:40
pittigood night everyone, need to run now18:41
Keybukmdz: I think it would be useful, even if just to give a public airing18:43
mdzrickspencer3, I guess I was hoping for a more targeted list of bugs18:44
mdzI don't want to trawl through all of the bugs on compiz looking for which ones are unity-related18:44
rickspencer3mdz, well, compiz is tightly bound with Unity18:44
mdzand I'm quite certain there are unity-related bugs filed on packages other than unity and compiz18:44
mdzrickspencer3, yes, but compiz is also used in the classic desktop18:44
rickspencer3Unty doesn't crash that much, it's usually copiz18:44
rickspencer3mdz I'm trying to help here, but I'm not sure what other report we can run18:45
mdzrickspencer3, as I understand it, unity runs as a plugin to compiz, so it's a pretty blurry line18:45
rickspencer3we have incoming bugs in compiz and unity18:45
rickspencer3these get triaged and the ones that the team thinks are the biggest threats get moved onto the milestone list18:46
rickspencer3mdz, well, Unity may trigger compiz bigs that GNOME 2.3.x does not18:46
mdzrickspencer3, yes. those are the ones I want to know about18:47
mdzrickspencer3, https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.8 won't have any of those bugs18:47
rickspencer3why not?18:47
mdzor will it?18:47
mdzwell, because it's only upstream unity bugs18:48
mdzI assume that if the bug is in compiz code, it won't be filed on unity upstream18:48
mdzis that a wrong assumption?18:48
Sarvattmdeslaur: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/740126 is one that only happens in unity and not classic gnome with compiz18:49
ubottuUbuntu bug 740126 in compiz (Ubuntu Natty) "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Confirmed]18:49
Sarvattwhoops, sorry, mdz: ^^18:50
rickspencer3mdz well, I would expect that they would open a bug task on Unity so that they can track those bugs in the milestone18:51
rickspencer3mdz the issues with xorg that I know of are invariant to Unity18:51
mdzrickspencer3, Sarvatt's bug is a counterexample18:51
mdzspecific to unity, but not filed on unity upstream18:52
rickspencer3mdz, right18:52
mdzthere's a "unity" tag on it, is that a useful way to filter bugs?18:52
rickspencer3mdz could be, I haven't been deep in the bug workflow18:52
rickspencer3but there are only 9 bugs with that tag, it looks like18:53
ScottKrickspencer3: It's not a normal triaging practice to also open bug tasks against packages (e.g. unity) when the bug is triggered by using that package but is in a different package (e.g. compiz).18:53
mdzrickspencer3, who should I be asking?18:53
rickspencer3mdz, well, didrocks, I guess would be a good goto person18:54
rickspencer3or seb12818:54
mdzgetting late for them today18:54
mdzwow, bug 685552 has a lot of duplicates18:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 685552 in unity (Ubuntu) "Compiz crashes when (en|dis)abling a plugin (ccsm) aka compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sigc::signal_base::impl()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68555218:55
keesmdz: it could be worth a public meeting, sure.18:55
mdzand no indication of a fix on the horizon18:55
mdzI wonder why it has so many duplicates if it's only triggered by tweaking in ccsm18:56
seb128sorry I disconnected18:56
seb128what was the question?18:56
mdzI wouldn't expect most users to fiddle with that18:56
seb128ScottK, yes it's normal18:56
mdzseb128, I'm just wondering where I can get a comprehensive list of bugs which are specific to Unity18:56
mdzregardless of which package18:56
seb128they use "unity" to track their milestones for any of the unity components18:56
seb128mdz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity18:56
seb128mdz, they "also affect unity" on any of the unity shell components18:57
seb128that doesn't cover the indicators but you probably don't count those for unity anyway I guess18:57
mdzseb128, does that imply that bug 740126 (which Sarvatt mentioned was unity-specific) should have a unity task open?18:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 740126 in compiz (Ubuntu Natty) "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74012618:57
davmor2jono: mvo: If it helps I see the reviews but I'm using trunk18:57
seb128mdz, likely yes18:58
seb128mdz, would it only to have them being able to track it on one of the unity milestones18:58
seb128mdz, do you look for specific informations? I'm doing sort of daily stats on what bugs get duplicates from the retracer logs18:59
seb128mdz, well not "stats" just a list that I review and I ping dx about issues that raise there18:59
seb128but I could probably share those lists if useful18:59
mdzseb128, I'm looking for an overview on behalf of the TB per https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-April/000816.html et al18:59
seb128mdz, ok, I'm happy to help if you need extra details19:00
mdzseb128, if you say that the unity bug list should have everything on it, then that's good enough for now, thanks19:01
seb128yes it does that's how they track their work ;-)19:02
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seb128kees, hey19:26
seb128kees, it does for bugs like bug #760025, didrocks has a script which is running daily which does "also affect unity" when there is a bug on any of the unity components19:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 760025 in nux (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::WindowCompositor::RenderTopViews()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76002519:27
seb128kees, that one is fix commited btw, the fix will land in natty after beta219:27
keesseb128: nice!19:37
seb128kees, do you want me to reply to your email to say that?19:38
keesseb128: for completeness, yeah, might as well, in case anyone else is reading that thread without this IRC context.19:39
keesrickspencer3: I've replied to the TB thread now too.19:40
seb128kees, ok19:40
seb128kees, btw in case you didn't read what I told mdz before I do daily stats and review on the retracer logs, I'm happy to help you guys having a better overview of natty crashers if you need one19:40
keessiretart: what's up with the ffmpeg/libav split?19:41
keesseb128: cool, thanks.19:41
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mdzis this at all normal?20:32
mdzmdz       1827  1.3 15.7 2221876 483528 ?      Sl   Apr10  62:04 compiz20:32
Sarvattmdz: not at all, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/75824820:47
ubottuUbuntu bug 758248 in nux (Ubuntu) "memory leaking in compiz" [High,Triaged]20:48
mdzSarvatt, I just filed bug 76016120:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 760161 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Very high memory usage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76016120:48
Sarvatt(also limited to a unity session I believe)20:48
mdzthis is with a classic session20:48
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bdrungbdmurray: re #760140 - what version did you test? the archive version or the version from vorlon's branch?21:22
bdmurraybdrung: the version from vorlon's branch21:23
bdmurraybdrung: oh must of mispasted21:23
bdrungthen it makes sense :)21:24
cjwatsonTheMuso: I'm removing hal from ubuntustudio-desktop; I hope that's OK21:35
cjwatsonTheMuso: (bug 760008)21:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 760008 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) "amd_64 studio install fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76000821:35
cjwatsonTheMuso: the ubuntustudio.natty/audio-common seed inherits from desktop.  Should ubuntustudio-generation and ubuntustudio-recording Depends: ubuntustudio-desktop to match that?21:40
cjwatsonTheMuso: hm, and in fact all the other ubuntustudio tasks likewise21:41
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RoAkSoAx@pilot out21:53
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cjwatsonTheMuso: hal> or not - see #ubuntu-release and the commit log21:57
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TheMusocjwatson: No, because we want users to be able to install audio packages without pulling in the entire desktop and theme if they so wish.22:44
TheMusocjwatson: and re hal, it can be removed. If its not done already, I can take care of it.22:44
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TheMusooh... read the log, hrm ok.22:47
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Davieycjwatson, I don't know if you are around, but jamespage1 has encountered an oddity with initial language selection... http://inky.ws/g/96 I cannot reproduce it, http://erk.daviey.com/language-natty-first-screen.png .. both in KVM and md5sums match.22:53
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Davieyboth i386.22:53
jamespage1Daviey, cjwatson: just did a quick check on amd64 and get the same result.22:54
Davieyjamespage1, what command line are you using to launch kvm?22:55
jamespage1Daviey: using virt-manager22:55
Davieyjamespage1, ok... can you reproduce it spawning from the console?22:56
jamespage1Daviey: I'll take a look22:56
seb128rickspencer3, kees, mdz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593780/22:58
seb128rickspencer3, kees, mdz: the list of the retracers log for the week for bugs which had > 1 duplicate22:58
seb128rickspencer3, kees, mdz: it's count, bug number, title, components22:59
seb128rickspencer3, kees, mdz: if that's of any use to you22:59
rickspencer3seb128, am I interpreting it correctly in that the long tail seems to be mostly not related to Unity or compiz?23:00
seb128rickspencer3, yes23:01
keesseb128: thanks, it's pretty enlightening. seems like the ones at the top could really use attention. this might be a good report to keep on handy all the time.23:01
seb128rickspencer3, out of some exceptions which are fix commited since23:01
rickspencer3seb128, are there any Unity specific crashers on that list that are not fixed or currently targeted to be fixed?23:01
seb128kees, the unity stack with > 5 are mostly with a fix ready23:01
rickspencer3a quick read, they all appear to be fixed, but that's just from my recognition23:02
seb128rickspencer3, the ccsm one and maybe or two weird compiz ones like bugs on compiz --replace23:02
seb128they still plan to fix the ccsm one by natty if they can23:02
seb128but it's not a crash in normal use situation23:02
seb128it's when tweaking with options with something not installed by default23:02
rickspencer3yeah, thought fixing it would be nice23:02
seb128so it's not really a stopper23:03
seb128it will be fixed in a sru if not in natty23:03
keesseb128: sounds good23:03
pittikees: ah, I haven't tried auto-raise with FFM23:07
* pitti waves good night23:07
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cjwatsonTheMuso: hmm, well, perhaps the other tasks shouldn't be inheriting from desktop then?23:35
TheMusocjwatson: I guess not, I wasn't the one who set that up, at least I don't remember doing it.23:36
cjwatsonDaviey: I didn't see the exact same symptoms, but it could easily be caused by bug 74709023:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 747090 in Ubuntu Translations "wrong return address sometimes pushed for INT in kvm (not qemu)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74709023:36
cjwatsonDaviey: try with qemu -no-kvm, or on bare metal?23:37
Davieycjwatson, ah, good thinking - will advice jamepage tomorrow to try.23:38
cjwatsonDaviey: that's certainly known to affect gfxboot's language presentation in other ways, and to behave at least somewhat inconsistently23:39
Davieyhopefully it is just that.23:40
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slangasekhrm. did bazaar.launchpad.net just go away?23:51
lifelessI think so23:51
cjwatsonand the librarian, by the looks of things23:54
lifelessnetwork layer issue23:55
lifelessis are on it23:55

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