[02:59] <dluzius> installation of 10.10 hands at $ prompt just when I expect theubuntu desktop
[02:59] <dluzius> hangs
[03:01] <dluzius> trying to install on a Toshiba L655 Satellite laptop
[03:03] <dluzius> everything goes as expected, even telling me installation was successful
[03:06] <dluzius> what am I doing wrong???
[03:10] <genec> so you removed the CD, it rebooted, and it booted to that screen?
[03:13] <dluzius> no, it reboots to grub, with Ubuntu highlighted, and after the countdown it asks me for a user name and password
[03:13] <dluzius> then it goes to the $ prompt
[03:14] <genec> are the username/password prompt a typical text-based non-graphical Linux login?
[03:15] <dluzius> yes, all text-based
[03:15] <genec> what ISO did you download?
[03:16] <dluzius> the i386 iso
[03:17] <genec> dluzius: what is the exact file name?
[03:19] <genec> the mirror/URL would be nice but not needed yet.
[03:20] <dluzius> filename is ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso
[03:21] <dluzius> am I using the wrong iso file?
[03:21] <genec> dluzius: is there any way you could run md5sum on the ISO file you have?
[03:22] <dluzius> how do I do that?
[03:23] <genec> that's the right file name but it almost sounds like you might somehow have either a corrupt file, unofficial file, or the server ISO
[03:23] <genec> dluzius: what OS are you running?
[03:23] <dluzius> win7
[03:25] <dluzius> should I use the live CD for 10.04?
[03:26] <genec> I think there are some md5sum programs for Windows.  let's take a quick search...
[03:27] <genec> I've used http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/ before.
[03:28] <dluzius> what will this program tell us
[03:29] <genec> I believe its output is slightly different from normal but it's still easy to see.
[03:29] <genec> well, it'll tell us if it matches what the official checksum is
[03:30] <dluzius> wait--wait.  I have the downloaded iso file o my Ubuntu desktop machine
[03:31] <dluzius> so how do I do it in a linux environment
[03:33] <genec> easy: open up a terminal/command prompt and do 'md5sum ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso' assuming you're in the same directory as the file
[03:33] <dluzius> ok, back in a few minutes
[03:34] <genec> I'm sorry I wasn't clear about asking what OS you were running.  I had meant what OS are you running that has access to the ISO file.
[03:37] <genec> md5sum's output will be a 32 character hexidecimal (128 bit) number.
[03:38] <dluzius> that would be Ubuntu 10.04
[03:44] <dluzius> here is the md5sum output: 59d15a16ce90c8ee97fa7c211b7673a8
[03:49] <genec> strange; it's a match to what I have.
[03:50] <dluzius> so, does this mean the iso file is not corrupted
[03:50] <genec> correct
[03:51] <dluzius> so, where do I go from here
[03:53] <genec> I'm not sure at the moment
[03:55] <dluzius> ok, tks for all your help, I have to go now
[09:17] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4683 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): Fix broken home directory lookup (LP: #759401).
[09:27] <ev> that was quite the dumb cowboying on my part. I had tested the code syntax locally, but obviously that missed the glaring error in my logic.
[09:27] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4684 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.6.5
[10:08] <CIA-7> ubiquity: jriddell * r4685 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): bin/ubiquity-dm: use correct KDE wallpaper path
[13:02] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4686 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[13:02] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Don't copy keyboard-configuration questions to /target in OEM mode, and
[13:02] <CIA-7> ubiquity: reset any values that come from the live filesystem build. oem-config
[13:02] <CIA-7> ubiquity: will ask them later, and copying these confuses it (LP: #741304).
[13:08] <ev> I'm going to take a whack at 664533
[13:09] <ev> at least until my eyes melt
[13:11] <cjwatson> hm, that's still reproducible after the fixes in ubiquity 2.6.2?
[13:11] <cjwatson> joy
[13:11] <ev> I know, right?
[13:12] <ev> so one thing is that layoutcode is getting set to ' , '
[13:12] <cjwatson> odd
[13:12] <ev> probably unrelated to the underlying issue
[13:12] <ev> well, that one is easy
[13:13] <ev> variant= ; db_set keyboard-configuration/variantcode ",$variant"
[13:13] <ev> but I'm still digging upward from there
[13:14] <ev> hmm, I should probably instrument ubiquity a bit
[13:16]  * ev lunches
[13:16]  * cjwatson attempts to reproduce bug 700910
[13:53] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4687 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[13:53] <CIA-7> ubiquity: * GTK frontend:
[13:53] <CIA-7> ubiquity:  - Avoid a crash if the automatic partitioning page is never displayed.
[14:08] <genec> cjwatson: LP Bug #759772. (not sure if you wanted notice here or in #grub ).
[14:08] <cjwatson> here's fine, thanks
[14:09] <cjwatson> milestoned for 11.04 final
[14:10] <genec> I figured here as it's an ubuntu bug report.
[14:10] <cjwatson> yep
[14:17] <cjwatson> bug 700910
[14:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 700910 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Unable to install GRUB2 to the same device as contains aufs in natty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/700910
[14:17] <cjwatson> good, cheers
[14:23] <cjwatson> ev: bug 726740 - any reason not to just drop the "Boot loader" line, in advance of other redesign work?
[14:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 726740 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "Manual Partition in Ubiquity difficult to use due to Boot Loader text" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726740
[14:23] <cjwatson> Erick's suggestion in comment #4 seems pretty sensible to me ...
[14:24] <cjwatson> I don't quite see how it would look inconsistent with the rest
[14:31] <ev> reading now
[14:37] <ev> I'm fine with eliminating the "Boot loader" line, if that's what you mean
[14:37] <ev> my point about consistency was directed at removing the page header
[14:38] <ev> I had assumed any change here was out of the question, given how far we are in the cycle
[14:38] <ev> but if you think the release team will be okay with it, I'm happy to make that change
[14:43] <cjwatson> the release team will just want to make sure screenshots are up to date
[14:43] <cjwatson> so it should just be a doc team notification
[14:53] <ev> oh, cool
[14:53] <ev> so to be clear, I'm removing the "Boot loader" line, boldfacing the next and keeping the comobox on the bottom, rather than inlining it
[14:53] <ev> right?
[14:54] <cjwatson> I think so, yeah, if you agree that that's an improvement
[14:54] <ev> I do
[14:55] <cjwatson> good-oh
[14:55] <ev> yay British turns of phrase
[14:55] <ev> I've been cleverly incorporating some of these into my vocabulary
[14:56] <ev> it's about as far as I'm willing to go when it comes to integrating myself from a language perspective :-P
[14:57] <davmor2> ev: top-oh old bean
[14:58] <ev> hahaha
[14:58] <cjwatson> zed zed zed full stop
[14:58] <ev> tish tosh
[14:58] <cjwatson> aluminium
[15:00] <davmor2> cjwatson: haha! harsh you know ev is gonna read that wrong in his head :D
[15:01] <ev> sadly not, it's been drilled in there with a jackhammer
[15:03] <davmor2> ev: Huzzah if you can pronounce aluminium correctly there is hope for British Citizenry yet :D
[15:03] <ev> someday I'll find the person who thought XML was a good choice for glade's underlying format
[15:03] <ev> I will find them and I will do horrible, unspeakable things to them
[15:03] <ev> A-LOOM-IN-UHM :-P
[15:05] <ev> and the mere presence of Chiswick has taught me that there is absolutely no hope for the British English language
[15:05] <ev> best to leave it to the 'mericans
[15:05] <cjwatson> Towcester
[15:05] <cjwatson> (pron. toaster)
[15:05]  * ev lowers head
[15:06] <cjwatson> and the less said about Loughborough the better
[15:06] <davmor2> ev: You think that is bad,  when we meet up next remind me to tell you how the natives say Smethwick
[15:06] <ev> hahaha
[15:06] <cjwatson> robbiew: (we're working, honest)
[15:06] <cjwatson> COMPILING
[15:06] <ev> lol
[15:06] <ev> exactly
[15:07] <robbiew> heh
[15:07] <ev> (http://xkcd.com/303/)
[15:08] <stgraber> ev: I'll have a look at bug 756920 unless you're already working on it
[15:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 756920 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "Natty manual-partitioner is dangerously forgetful" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756920
[15:09] <davmor2> ev: http://www.scribd.com/doc/130606/Winders-Black-Country-Windows
[15:09] <ev> stgraber: that would be wonderful!
[15:09] <ev> thanks a bunch
[15:11] <davmor2> ev: that's some light reading for when you're compiling next :D
[15:12] <ev> hahahaha
[15:13] <ev> oh if only I could shove that in instapaper
[15:13] <ev> bookmarked though
[15:22] <davmor2> ev: you should try orca in blackcountry, Newcastle, Liverpudlian, or Mancunian :)
[15:23] <davmor2> wim teachya ow to talk proper like wot we does
[15:26] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4688 trunk/ (debian/changelog gui/gtk/stepPartAdvanced.ui): Remove the 'Bootloader device' line. See LP #726740.
[15:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 726740 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "Manual Partition in Ubiquity difficult to use due to Boot Loader text" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726740
[15:39] <ev> davmor2: lol
[16:43] <ev> cjwatson: do you recall the historical context for while a capital letter as the first character of a username is invalid?
[16:51] <ev> or rather why Ubuntu holds this convention when it's seemingly unnecessary
[17:04] <cjwatson> I don't; I think it would require pretty serious investigation before making any change along those lines, though.  It wouldn't surprise me if some things had taken it as an assumption since it's been true for so long
[17:07] <ev> indeed, I'm not intending to do this for natty :-P, though how funny would that be?
[17:07] <ev> but yes, I do understand that any such change would require a lot of investigation
[17:09] <mpt> ev, https://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3/HandlingErrors
[17:10] <superm1> ev, this oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu, how's it supposed to end up in the target system?
[17:10] <superm1> it doesn't look like it has any rdepends to me
[17:10] <cjwatson> I know that there was that NAME_REGEX_SYSTEM change in adduser to allow it only for system users; I have a feeling that at one point there was a discussion about reserving initial-uppercase for system users, although I suspect it never really went anywhere
[17:14] <superm1> additionally it looks like ubiquity hardcodes on looking for the slideshow in self.slideshow = '/usr/share/ubiquity-slideshow' rather than /usr/share/oem-config-slideshow too
[17:14] <ev> bum
[17:15] <ev> and it installs it manually
[17:18] <CIA-7> ubiquity: superm1 * r4689 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Show the oem-config slideshow in oem-config rather than the ubuntu one.
[17:20] <ev> thanks
[17:21] <superm1> np
[17:40] <ev> cjwatson: hmm, noted
[17:41] <ev> I'm trying to imagine a scenario whereby a capital letter in the first position would break existing tools
[17:41] <ev> I suppose one way of solving this would be to see if any other major distros ease the restriction
[17:46] <cjwatson> you should probably ask around server folks; they're more likely to have seen software with that kind of interop problem, I suspect
[17:48] <ev> good point
[17:48] <ev> will do
[19:24] <CIA-7> ubiquity: superm1 * r4690 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Uninstall the oem-config slideshow after install is done.
[21:01] <stgraber> ev: still around ?
[21:02] <stgraber> ev: I was thinking of http://paste.ubuntu.com/593732/ for bug 756920
[21:02] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 756920 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "Natty manual-partitioner is dangerously forgetful" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756920