[01:00] are there any public stats for comparative usage for the various ubuntu releases? [01:02] i doubt it [01:02] there aren't any public stats for the usage of ubuntu at all, afaik and the private ones are pretty much guesses i think :) [01:04] just package downloads normalised would be handy [01:04] I'm curious is there's much point backporting packages to hardy now, for example [01:07] ojwb: it's a bit hard to get even download stats, given the number of mirrors around [01:07] I don't know if the 'official' mirrors supply stats back to canonical or not & even then you can have further caching [01:08] but yeah, I doubt there's a lot of point backporting to hardy [01:08] yeah, though for my purposes "quite a few people" vs "practically nobody" is useful [01:08] i gave up on dapper some time ago [01:09] hardy should be EOL on desktop support soon [01:09] yes, though this is xapian which is widely used on server [01:09] +s [01:09] how hard is it to backport for hardy as well? [02:20] it already supports it, but there are a few special cases which are for hardy only now [02:20] * ojwb wonders if there are PPA stats [02:20] I can't see an obvious link in the interface [02:20] be a nice guide for cases like this [02:21] http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/tracking-ppa-download-statistics [02:21] that was quick [02:23] hmm the linked to blog is frustrating [02:23] tells you how to manipulate a ppa object [02:23] but not how to create it [02:23] which seems to be the hard part... [02:25] * ojwb bookmarks it anywya [02:35] I've managed to get a ppa record & the build records by a bit of hacking around [02:35] yeah, don't really have time for that this week - off to the UK tomorrow [02:36] e.g. lp.people['ajmitch'].getPPAByName(name='ppa') gets the first ppa I have (and probably the only one) [02:37] hopefully it's a nice, uneventful flight :) [02:37] * ojwb wonders what an lp is [02:37] hopefully [02:37] from launchpadlib.launchpad import Launchpad [02:38] lp = Launchpad.login_anonymously('staging') [02:40] then with the ppa, I cheated & used getPublishedBinaries()[0].getDownloadCount() to get something to show :) [02:40] I think there's a better way than looking at wach published binary, but I haven't used this [02:41] aha [02:41] from launchpadlib.launchpad import Launchpad - needs more mentions of launchpad I feel [02:41] probably [02:41] hmm, 0 [02:42] nobody loves your first binary [02:42] it's old, probably predates the stats [02:42] & I was using it only for build testing in the PPA [02:44] ah [02:44] 25! [02:45] you're getting somewhere with it? [02:45] ish [02:46] looks like you can get stats per day [02:55] for b in lp.people['xapian-backports'].getPPAByName(name='ppa').getPublishedBinaries(): print "%d\t%s %s" % (b.getDownloadCount(), b.binary_package_name, b.binary_package_version) [02:57] doesn't work for the xapian-1.2 ppa for some reason [03:08] ojwb: what do you get? [03:09] oh, it works sometimes [03:09] other times: TypeError: 'int' object is unsubscriptable [03:09] i guess that's flakey server or something [03:09] me speak english good [03:10] seems to work the second time in quick succession pretty reliably [03:10] I guess the first may pull data into cache [03:13] looks like hardy is about 10% of lucid [03:13] where lucid is 100 ish [03:13] varies a lot by the subpackage though [03:14] might be useful to graph it & see how many of the hardy downloads are recent comared to lucid [03:15] this was for the 1.2.4 release, which was december I think [12:32] * mwhudson_ gets 403s from nz.archive.ubuntu.com ... whut [20:27] morning [20:49] morning [21:04] Mornin [21:38] morning [21:41] mornin [21:43] sigh [21:43] whats the matter ibeardslee ? [21:43] politicians [21:44] heh. they're all terrible [21:44] according to forbes, we're the 8th in the world for a corrupt govt...with iceland and finland [21:45] the problems is they can make choices about what the right thing to do is [21:48] i'm pretty confused that things have come to this [21:48] especially b/c officials and politicians have been told of the negative consequences [21:48] oops. cant find the article..i might be wrong on that [21:49] Atamira, I think you'll find we're the least corrupt country [21:49] it seems (without getting as crass as I really could) that they are starting to line us up to bend over for the TPPA [21:49] from Transparency International [21:49] we're mild compared to some of the others in the world thats true [21:49] we were debating who was the worse [21:50] the sth africans at work reckon africa is the most corrupt [21:50] I know that there people within MED & MFAT that are concerned [21:50] technically its somalia..which i guess is close [21:50] but, Wellington's very smal [21:50] and leaks can be career destroying [21:51] not soverignty destroying? [21:53] this is a trend that has been going on for a long time [21:53] many trade agreements are taking place internationally [21:54] actually, WIPO (World IP Organisation) agreements didn't really suit the USA [21:54] so they created TRIPS [21:54] I don [21:54] no, you tim [21:55] I don't have too much time this morning to go over the whole thing [21:55] But, in terms of sovereignty.. I wouldn't fight the battle on that front [21:55] Politicians are advised by economists [21:55] who are advised by economic models [21:56] that give way to empirical data [21:56] Therefore, if the right data can get to the policy advisers, then the legislation will change [21:58] There's increasing evidence that strict IP laws protect the businesses that know how and are able to utilise those monopolies [21:59] But, they tend to make a country worse off [21:59] For example, take copyright [22:00] the argument goes that we need a 100+ year monopoly in order to incentivise creative works [22:00] however, I think that confuses the incentive to create a work from the incentive to distribute it [22:01] distribution costs are extremely low for digital content [22:01] therefore, they're mostly irrelevant [22:02] which means, we should only provide the term of the copyright that would incentivise the *creation* of the work [22:02] that's the hard bit - getting a new novel written [22:02] once it's written, it's easy to reproduce [22:03] we need to create a system that does enough to get creators rewarded for the first bit. Once that's done, what matters is that consumers can access a work at the lowest cost possible (which increases consumer surplus, e.g. economic win) [22:09] and there's a lot of work which is based on out of copyright stuff, so out of copyright likely has economic benefits [22:09] not for the original author, but for the economy, probably [22:10] endless sherlock holmes inspired stuff, for example [23:08] morning all