[07:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:22] <dwatkins> mornin all
[08:22] <MooDoo> morning
[08:42] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[09:16] <smittix> Good Morning all
[09:16] <MooDoo> smittix: morning
[09:16] <BigRedS> g'morning smittix
[09:16] <willy1977> smittix: morning
[09:16] <willy1977> morning all ;)
[09:17] <MooDoo> how is everyone today
[09:17] <willy1977> yeah I'm pretty good, at work but...can't have everything can we ;) and you?
[09:18] <MooDoo> willy1977: i'm the same at work at the moment, but thinking of taking on a big project [swaps his ubuntu hat for his fedora hat briefly] :)
[09:19] <willy1977> MooDoo: a big project... sounds interesting you at liberty to discuss?
[09:19] <MooDoo> willy1977: Fedora related, so it's not the right channel ;) lol i'll get flamed :p
[09:19] <smittix> MooDoo: Not too bad, how are you?
[09:20] <MooDoo> smittix: very well thanks
[09:23] <smittix> Coolio
[09:24] <Myrtti> well that's funny
[09:25] <Myrtti> Rovio is going to publish a cook book
[09:25] <Myrtti> with lots of EGG recipies
[09:25] <willy1977> good for when you have the runs then...?
[09:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peoples :)
[09:26] <willy1977> morning bigcalm & Myrtti
[09:26] <Myrtti> cook book with distruction and mayhem, lol
[09:26] <bigcalm> Eggs are funny?
[09:26] <issyl0> Morning all.
[09:26] <issyl0> matti: Ping.
[09:26] <Myrtti> "the idea is to show how the pigs are learning to cook"
[09:26] <bigcalm> Hi willy1977 & issyl0
[09:27] <bigcalm> Myrtti: o.O
[09:27] <issyl0> :-)
[09:27] <Myrtti> a friend commented on Facebook "to be announced for  Christmas: green christmas gammon"
[09:27] <issyl0> Myrtti: Errr...
[09:27] <Myrtti> ANGRY BIRDS COOKBOOK, you silly people :-D
[09:28] <issyl0> Ohhh.
[09:28]  * issyl0 doesn't play Angry Birds.
[09:28] <bigcalm> Oh
[09:28] <Myrtti> http://www.digitoday.fi/viihde/2011/04/13/angry-birdsilta-tulee-keittokirja/20115238/66 :-D
[09:28] <willy1977> isn't Angry Birds that program off itv at lunchtime with that woman from the cruises on?
[09:28] <bigcalm> I haven't played it for so long I had forgotten the connection with the name
[09:28] <Myrtti> sorry, it's in foreign
[09:28] <bigcalm> willy1977: boosh!
[09:29] <MooDoo> willy1977: badum tish :)
[09:29] <willy1977> I thank you... I'm here all week
[09:29] <Myrtti> "try the fish"
[09:30] <MooDoo> smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast :D
[09:35]  * willy1977 loves red dwarf :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> Do you love it enough to care that Dave have commisioned a 10th series? :(
[09:35] <willy1977> no
[09:36] <willy1977> unfortunately not... it had lost it's sheen by 8... I think they should've stopped around 5/6
[09:36] <bigcalm> Completely agree
[09:38] <BigRedS> They're making another one?
[09:39] <MooDoo> yup
[09:39] <bigcalm> I want to say 'sadly so', but I really hope this one works out well. Bobby Llew seems somewhat excited
[09:39] <MooDoo> http://www.denofgeek.com/television/738816/its_official_red_dwarf_to_get_full_new_series_in_2012.html
[09:43] <willy1977> you never know... it might work... I hope so.
[09:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[09:44] <popey> hello JamesTait
[09:44] <popey> (and everyone else)
[09:44] <willy1977> morning popey
[09:44] <JamesTait> Hey popey. So what's this OggCamp thing then? :-P
[09:45] <willy1977> I'm hoping for camping to become available as I'm skint...
[09:45] <willy1977> but I'll give up the ticket if that falls through :(
[09:46] <JamesTait> I think I need to talk to Mrs Tait fairly quickly and get cheaper train tickets. :)
[09:46] <willy1977> yeah do it, I have no idea what it's about but I thought it'd be cool to rock up anyway and bimble around all lost sheep like :)
[09:47] <willy1977> well I've read what's on the site obviously :) http://oggcamp.org/
[09:49] <JamesTait> Sounds like a chaotic mess of geeks. Count me in! :-P
[09:49] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:50] <MooDoo> JamesTait: organised chaos :)
[09:50] <willy1977> JamesTait: I've not heard that collective noun for geeks in a long time ;)
[09:50] <JamesTait> (Disclaimer: I've been to both of them so far, and thoroughly enjoyed myself)
[09:51] <willy1977> ;)
[09:51] <popey> :)
[09:51] <Myrtti> I was at the first one
[09:51] <Myrtti> the second was in a silly place in a silly time
[09:51] <JamesTait> Myrtti: I think I saw you knitting at the first one? Or was that at LRL the year before?
[09:53] <Myrtti> LRL
[09:53] <Myrtti> crocheting
[09:53] <Myrtti> I still haven't finished the piece I was making IIRC
[09:54] <gord> hrm, someone posted on a keyboard review for a keyboard i want. "does not need to be line of sight for the IR receiver which is a plus" - i don't even understand how someone could come to the conclusion that it uses IR....
[09:54] <JamesTait> Ah, right. I recognised that it was something with yarn and needle(s), but I'm not that familiar with the crafts.
[09:54] <popey> gord: is there some way to reset the unity launcher so it presents the stuff a default user gets?
[09:55] <gord> popey, unity --reset and erm, there is a gsettings key, hold on let me find it
[09:55] <popey> \o/ new toy is on the delivery van!
[09:56] <gord> popey, gsettings reset com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites
[09:56] <popey> whilst logged in?
[09:57] <willy1977> I've read that does something completely different now?
[09:57] <willy1977> the gsettings bit... but then again... I know nothing :p
[09:58] <popey> that did it, thanks
[09:58] <popey> need to do them the other way round though
[09:58] <popey> gsettings then unity
[09:59] <gord> unity --reset will launch a new instance so it'll pick up the new settings then
[09:59] <willy1977> no sorry need to keep my nose out it was gsettings reset com.canonical...etc. favorite-migration that changed sorry again lesson learned.
[09:59] <gord> but it also resets the compiz config back to default
[10:03] <popey> i just did a reset and now Super+E and Super+W don't work
[10:06] <willy1977> where can I find out what compiz is/does/fits in the whole picture type thing?
[10:07] <willy1977> found the docs ta.
[10:09] <gord> popey, expo is super+s i think
[10:12] <popey> thats changed
[10:12] <popey> ah yes, there's an s on the workspace switcher
[10:22] <danfish> morning, morning
[10:22] <danfish> popey: what's the new toy?
[10:25] <popey> danfish: http://www.epiphan.com/products/frame-grabbers/vga2usb-lr/
[10:29] <danfish> popey: nice...but yikes, a tad pricy!
[10:33] <Myrtti> I need a cave
[10:35] <popey> yeah :S
[10:35] <popey> luckily I'm not paying for it
[10:35] <oimon> hi guys. anything exciting happened in the last 5 days ..been away :P
[10:35] <danfish> phew :)
[10:36] <oimon> my 11 and 13 years old nephews are into minecraft :S
[10:36] <popey> oimon: http://oggcamp.org/ :)
[10:36] <oimon> i was in farnham yesterday :P
[10:36] <popey> :)
[10:38] <oimon> what's the max capacity for oggcamp?
[10:41] <popey> hard to say
[10:41] <popey> we have some flexibility
[10:41] <popey> they have a lot of rooms, some suitable some not, and we could potentially adjust the rooms we use to make room
[10:47] <danfish> so long as there is room for beer - need moar beer :D
[10:48] <popey> :)
[10:48] <popey> plenty of pubs nearby
[10:50] <Myrtti> I wish I knew if I can attend or not
[10:50] <danfish> Jono down on the farm ;)
[10:50] <danfish> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jag7oTemldY&feature=player_embedded
[10:50] <Myrtti> I don't even know if I can attend a happening on Friday, yet alone August
[10:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:53] <popey> I am going to Farnham Maltings on friday for the beerex :D
[10:54] <brobostigon> :)
[10:55] <willy1977> morning brobostigon
[10:55] <brobostigon> good morning popey and willy1977
[10:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer is also going to beerex on Friday with popey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham_Beer_Exhibition
[10:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[10:56] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/755311 ideas?
[11:02] <czajkowski> brobostigon: usually that happens when twitter is being a bit iffy
[11:02] <czajkowski> but can take a few attempts and then is fine unless something has changed recently
[11:03] <brobostigon> czajkowski: i have tried repeatedly every day for a few weeks, it hs been there.
[11:04] <oimon> gwibber3 is out?
[11:05] <brobostigon> oimon: my gwibber verson number is 3.0.0.1
[11:05] <brobostigon> version*
[11:05]  * oimon goes to update natty box
[11:11] <Myrtti> gwibber still exists? ;-)
[11:11] <popey> :)
[11:12] <oimon> yes, although i pronounce it "hotot"
[11:15] <davmor2> morning all
[11:15] <brobostigon> good morning davmor2
[11:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: ow am ya kidda
[11:16] <czajkowski> going back to sleep
[11:16] <czajkowski> nn
[11:16] <davmor2> nn czajkowski
[11:21] <MooDoo> nn czajkowski sweet dreams
[11:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: you saying that is enough to her nightmares thats just evil man ;)
[11:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: i care :)
[11:31] <popey> bug 756426
[11:31] <czajkowski> bug 756426
[11:31] <czajkowski> popey: dynf
[11:32] <popey> hmm?
[11:32] <czajkowski> damn your nibble fingers
[11:32] <popey> ah
[11:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: are popey 's fingers like nimble only tastier then?
[11:35]  * popey cuddles bigcalm_ 
[11:35] <bigcalm_> ¬.¬
[11:35]  * bigcalm_ spanks Freenode
[11:36] <bigcalm_> Thank you popey, disconnects unnerve me
[11:36] <jpds> Hey, nice tail.
[11:36] <bigcalm> What tail? ;)
[11:38] <smittix> \o/
[11:46]  * popey cuddles aquarius 
[11:47] <aquarius> dare I ask why? :)
[11:47] <popey> doing anything on 13th/14th August?
[11:48] <aquarius> might be. Have already been bollocked by laura
[11:48] <czajkowski> not me
[11:48] <czajkowski> the other one I assume
[11:48] <Myrtti> I shall be drinking Pimms
[11:48] <aquarius> no, Laura Cowen :)
[11:48]  * MartijnVdS would go, but YAPC::EU starts on the 15th.. in Latvia.
[11:48] <aquarius> Niamh and I go away on holiday just after that weekend, and she's with me that weekend.
[11:48] <Myrtti> mmm pimms
[11:49] <aquarius> I am going to see if I can shuffle things around.
[11:49] <czajkowski> aquarius: bring her!
[11:49] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Just clone yourself.
[11:49] <AlanBell> Myrtti: we had pimms at the last one
[11:49] <aquarius> czajkowski, no :)
[11:49] <Myrtti> AlanBell: I bet you did
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> jpds: I would, but the side-effects...
[11:49]  * oimon wonders if he can get 13th or 14th off as a conference for work purposes...
[11:49] <Myrtti> aquarius: are you afraid we'd spoil her rotten?
[11:49] <czajkowski> aquarius: :( I want to meet the cool kid who has to put up with you :p
[11:49] <AlanBell> Myrtti: http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/4574060621/
[11:49] <aquarius> no. I'm afraid she'd be bored into the next galaxy, and that I couldn't stay up late and hang out with people.
[11:50] <czajkowski> ahh tis the beer :p
[11:50] <Myrtti> oh well, no tar schapps for you then...
[11:51] <Myrtti> (and yes, I know)
[11:51] <aquarius> hence why I'm trying to shuffle things around. But it does not look promising :(
[11:52] <popey> :(
[11:54] <dutchie> AlanBell: i like popey in the background of that pic
[11:54] <dutchie> looking evil in some undefinablee way
[11:56] <willy1977> Hi Tony,
[11:56] <willy1977> I.ve had a message from Joy regarding licensing. We will be able to free up 1 license when we you move live on the new mobile apps, as we won.t need 2 application servers, but unfortunately there will not be any further licenses beyond this freed up.
[11:56] <willy1977> I have attached an up to date NAV license FYI. This has the middle tier granule included as well (needed for the new version).
[11:56] <willy1977> Regards,
[11:56] <willy1977> Matthew Woodhouse
[11:56] <willy1977> Microsoft Dynamics Team Director | Technology Management
[11:56] <willy1977> damn multitasking...
[11:56] <AlanBell> fail
[11:56] <Myrtti> last year that time I was first eating at Nando's in Cambridge and then driving to Cornwall
[11:56] <Myrtti> I wish I was in that cottage in Cornwall now...
[11:56] <oimon> mmm cornwall
[11:56] <Myrtti> ho-hum.
[11:56] <oimon> spent my honeymoon in cornwall..it's that good :)
[11:57]  * willy1977 note to self don't right mouse click links...
[11:59] <dogmatic69> willy1977: still waiting for the NAV license
[11:59] <dogmatic69> :D
[11:59] <willy1977> lol you can have 'em all for me.
[12:00] <oimon> is that norton?
[12:00] <dogmatic69> sure sounds like it
[12:01] <willy1977> is what norton? nav?
[12:01] <dogmatic69> norton anti virus
[12:01] <willy1977> ah... nope
[12:01] <oimon> norton a. virus more like it
[12:01] <willy1977> lol
[12:01] <dogmatic69> lol
[12:02] <willy1977> at my place of work  we provide (amongst loads of other stuff) Microsoft Dynamics NAV consultancy, it's an ERP.
[12:02] <willy1977> formerly Navision
[12:02] <willy1977> formerly Financials
[12:03] <oimon> sounds stimulating
[12:03] <dogmatic69> oimon: sounds sarcastic
[12:04] <oimon> 8-)
[12:05] <smittix> How do you get a ubuntu.com forwarder?
[12:06] <jpds> !member | smittix
[12:06]  * smittix pats lubotu3 
[12:06] <oimon> don't you hate it when a printer just refuses to work?
[12:06] <smittix> cheers jpds
[12:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> willy1977: Dynamics is bloody expensive - at our place of work we provide (amongst loads of other stuff) OpenERP consultancy, it's a Free Software ERP ;-)
[12:06] <jpds> oimon: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers
[12:07] <oimon> jpds: they are missing the one where the cups server receives it, it says processing, and the printer fails to kick into action
[12:07] <willy1977> shhhh don't say that...even if you may be right...
[12:07] <willy1977> TheOpenSourcerer: ^^^
[12:08] <willy1977> I'm not even sure why I got involved in that little exchange...I'm a .net developer by day ;)
[12:09] <dwatkins> I try to avoid anything relating to licensing.
[12:09] <jpds> oimon: Have plenty with that, yep.
[12:09] <dwatkins> willy1977: does your IRC client not pop-up a warning when you try to paste more than about 5 lines?
[12:09] <jpds> plenty of experience*
[12:09] <directhex> openerp is sorely lacking in some areas, sadly
[12:09] <dwatkins> irssi won't let me paste a lot by accident
[12:09] <AlanBell> in what way directhex?
[12:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: And yet, it doesn't cost ~£1k per seat
[12:10] <willy1977> dwatkins: I just went  \o/... I know nothing... I'm using irssi
[12:10] <smittix> I just tried logging into the ubuntu forums with my launchpad id and it doesn't work?
[12:10] <willy1977> but ssh to home and I keep forgetting that when I right mouse click a link it fires whatever is in the clipboard and presses enter :(
[12:10] <dwatkins> willy1977: which version of irssi?
[12:11] <AlanBell> putty right click is a bad idea
[12:11] <dwatkins> willy1977: yeah, I used to have the same problem, I think the 'ask if you really want to paste' feature is new.
[12:11] <dwatkins> AlanBell: that too
[12:11] <AlanBell> stick to Linux on the desktop and you will have no problems!
[12:11] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, indeed. at least it sucks for free :)
[12:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> (12:09:53) AlanBell: in what way directhex?
[12:12] <directhex> there was a big long list
[12:12] <directhex> ISTR many problems were regarding history
[12:12] <oimon> jpds: reboot the printer..of course!
[12:12] <directhex> e.g. changing someone's hourly wage
[12:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is unlike you to be so succinct ;-)
[12:13] <jpds> oimon: Three times.
[12:13] <willy1977> dwatkins: I thought it was the latest... but I just grabbed it from apt-get so maybe not as new as I thought...
[12:13] <directhex> if you need to bump someone's pay, then you need to create a new contract & change their assigned contract type, or you lose the history of them being paid at a lower rate. no easy way to analyse that historically
[12:17] <dwatkins> willy1977: 12:17 -%- Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.15 (20100403 1617)
[12:17] <dwatkins> willy1977: I don't think it's set as default on mine, actually
[12:17]  * dwatkins goes to check before accidentally pasting a customer e-mail
[12:18] <willy1977> dwatkins: nope just found pate_detect_keycount... and a few other settings...
[12:19] <dwatkins> paste_detect_time = 5msecs
[12:19] <dwatkins> It still allows me to paste a lot, though.
[12:20] <AlanBell> directhex: sounds like a need for a beefier HR module, from an ERP perspective you would still have the history of all payments
[12:20] <willy1977> looking at paste_verify_line_count too
[12:20] <AlanBell> that would be a fairly straightforward enhancement to make I think
[12:21] <AlanBell> depending on what analysis you wanted, it could be as simple as writing a line to a journal field when the rate changes
[12:22] <dwatkins> willy1977: yeah, that's set to 5 on my client, and I have a recent enough version that this all should be there and working, so I'm puzzled as to how it's not asking me for verification when I paste (I created a channel #ubuntu-uk-test to confirm it's definitely not asking me on a channel)
[12:22] <AlanBell> or rewrite the pay rates thing so that rates are separate objects with valid from dates
[12:25] <Romeo_> Hey guys need help with ubuntu, tried installing it on my laptop and it installed but when it boots it goes into a dos window asking for my login and then password, even if i enter my user and pass it stays on the dos window
[12:26] <Romeo_> works fine using live but i have the problem when i install it tried 32 and 64bit
[12:26] <willy1977> dwatkins: I've noticed that if you set paste line count to two and pate in a two liner it still pastes the first line...
[12:27] <AlanBell> I think it would be best if I wasn't in the hosts.deny of the server I have been trying to get into
[12:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wish me luck chaps. Just booked my semi-knackered car in for servcice & MOT...
[12:27] <X3N> Romeo_: is this booting from the install disk or after having installed
[12:27] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I wish you better luck than I had
[12:27] <Romeo_> after install
[12:27] <willy1977> TheOpenSourcerer: really really good luck, everything crossed for you.
[12:28] <popey> hehe
[12:28] <willy1977> dwatkins: so essentially I can paste a whole load of stuff with it set to 5...
[12:28] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: ours is just fixed, wifey going to get it now
[12:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Booked it into the Garage in Pirbright
[12:28] <bigcalm> popey: are you going to try and get 30mb cable?
[12:28] <popey> no
[12:28] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: fyi I used ACC in farnborough
[12:29] <Romeo_> any ideas?
[12:29] <bigcalm> Why not?
[12:29] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: oh, i bought mine there
[12:29] <popey> bigcalm: because I doubt they will do it on mates rates
[12:29] <popey> Romeo_: you may be better off asking in #ubuntu
[12:29] <X3N> Romeo_: if you've just installed it might be quicker to try re-installing rather than trying to fix this
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: I wanted it to go to a "proper" Volvo garage this time as a comparison.
[12:30] <X3N> Romeo_: or in your terminal do "sudo service gdm restart"
[12:30] <popey> ahhh
[12:30] <bigcalm> popey: that's the thing, I think they will. But I don't want to call them incase they realise that our friend no longer works for VM
[12:30] <popey> heh
[12:30] <popey> ok, so you want me to call them to test that? :)
[12:30] <popey> (My friend still works there)
[12:31] <bigcalm> popey: you're a star :D
[12:31] <popey> that was a question not an offer :D
[12:31] <bigcalm> :P
[12:31] <Romeo_> tried installing a few times :/
[12:31] <popey> I'll email them
[12:31] <bigcalm> popey: I'll bring you Metroid Prime 3 : Corruption for oggcamp
[12:31] <popey> :)
[12:31] <bigcalm> Cheers mukka
[12:32] <bigcalm> Exception caught: E_HUNGER
[12:32]  * bigcalm lunches
[12:35] <popey> bigcalm: mail sent, will let you know how it goes
[12:44] <popey> bigcalm: got a reply already :)
[12:44] <popey> bigcalm: you have to phone 150 and pay 30 quid one off fee for the hardware upgrade, then its the same price each month
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> Minecrafters: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/collectibles/e7fa/?cpg=fbl_e7fa
[12:51] <popey> oooo
[12:55] <popey> i now realise why Mark Shuttleworth is in Moscow
[12:56] <popey> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/13/cosmonauts-day-in-mo.htm
[12:57] <Laney> 404!!!!!
[12:57]  * Laney spanks an 'l' on the end
[12:58] <popey> bah
[12:58] <gord> i forget mark has been in space sometimes...
[12:59] <gord> no one believes that i work for a spaceman :(
[13:00] <popey> heh
[13:00] <matti> issyl0: Yes?
[13:01] <issyl0> matti: Just saying hi.  :-)
[13:01] <matti> issyl0: Oh, OK :) *hug*
[13:02]  * Laney wiggles
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> Laney: !family :P
[13:02]  * Laney waggles?
[13:11] <oimon> anyone know if it's possible to get o2 contracts for android phones at 10 or 15 £ per month?
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> http://i.qkme.me/1r6b.jpg
[13:13] <directhex> oimon, sim on its own, or with a device?
[13:13] <oimon> my sis wants a htc desire on o2
[13:13] <oimon> tmob do contract for £15pm, but she wants o2
[13:14] <willy1977> oimon: you'd end up paying around 150 for the desire on that price contract on o2
[13:14] <oimon> :( ripoff
[13:14] <willy1977> 27.00 a month and it becomes free.
[13:14] <willy1977> GBp ^^^
[13:15] <directhex> oimon, yes, if you pay for the phone and have a 24 month contract.
[13:15] <willy1977> oh and they're 24month contracts
[13:15] <oimon> think i'm gonna suggest she changes the network..
[13:15] <directhex> oimon, HTC Desire on O2 is £149.99 up front, plus £16.50 per month (500 meg of data for that)
[13:15] <popey> oimon: get her to look at giffgaff?
[13:16] <directhex> popey, giffgaff is sim-only, so she needs £400 for the phone up front
[13:16] <popey> oh yeah
[13:16] <oimon> directhex: which site? o2 or a reseller?
[13:16] <directhex> oimon, o2.
[13:16] <directhex> i don't look at resellers
[13:17] <oimon> 50mins and 250texts...tmob is 300 mins, 300 txt for £15.32, and the phone is about £100 less
[13:17] <oimon> o2 must think people are mugs
[13:17] <popey> people are
[13:17] <directhex> um... yes, they do
[13:18] <directhex> o2 drew people in with the iphone exclusivity
[13:18] <willy1977> it's the we're the only provider that do iPhone... what do you mean orange have it mindset...
[13:18] <oimon> my mrs used to be on o2, when she cancelled the contract, they continued to charge us for 3 months until we noticed - they wouldn't pay us back either
[13:18] <willy1977> o2 is the best network for me at home :(
[13:18] <oimon> so o2 are banned in our house (along with british gas and virgin media)
[13:19] <willy1977> gritsih bas don't talk to me about that shower...
[13:19] <Laney> you should try writing angry tweets at them
[13:19] <Laney> usually gets a response these days
[13:20] <oimon> i received a computerised phone call from Ken's Daughter yesterday. it said i have a message for oimon, are you oimon: "yes" ..sorry i did not understand, goodbye
[13:20] <oimon> turned out, after googling the number, that it was thames water..not ken's daughter
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: aww
[13:21]  * willy1977 off to tweet angrily at british gas
[13:21] <directhex> oimon, my next mobile phone hinges on which network i can buy it on. if it's o2-only, and not available sim-free, then i just won't get the device i want. will need something else
[13:22] <Laney> tweeted at my expensive headphone manufacturer, got in touch with their customer service manager and a speedy replacement :-)
[13:22] <oimon> how can companies reply quickly to tweets but not emails?
[13:22] <directhex> Laney, i got some free pizza from dominos via twitter :p
[13:23] <oimon> food via http: hmmm
[13:23] <Laney> because tweets are public
[13:23] <directhex> oimon, twitter is public. when you say "o2 sucks because they ate my baby", lots of people see it
[13:23] <Laney> even better is if your blog post gets picked up by some media
[13:23] <directhex> whereas shouting down the phone, at best your neighbours hear it
[13:24] <oimon> :(
[13:24] <directhex> and email... /dev/null hears it
[13:24] <oimon> yeah
[13:25] <Laney> devnull is a very good listener
[13:25] <directhex> so i tweet when annoyed. sometimes it helps
[13:25] <Laney> never interrupts
[13:26] <directhex> badum-tish!
[13:26] <Romeo_> couple of questions, is the latest ubuntu 10.10? or 11.10? and what version is the netbook for? laptops?
[13:26] <popey> !latest
[13:26] <popey> oh, drat
[13:27] <popey> Romeo_: latest release is 10.10
[13:27] <popey> released in october last year
[13:27] <popey> next release is due in april, so 11.04
[13:28] <Romeo_> when i start ubuntu on the select screen it says generic 22 but after the updates it says 28, anyway of getting this from a latest download of ubuntu
[13:30] <directhex> Romeo_, no. they don't re-burn the images with the latest packages, as mastering the discs takes time & needs testing
[13:30] <Laney> with the exception of LTS releases, which do have point release updates
[13:30] <directhex> yes, that
[13:31] <Romeo_> cause im having problems installing ubuntu it wount load, but i load on recovery mode failsave with low graphics then update all packages its fine
[13:31] <Laney> doesn't the installer have the ability to update during installation these days?
[13:31] <directhex> Laney, won't help with drivers though
[13:31] <willy1977> it does if you have a connection.
[13:31] <Romeo_> might need to do that then
[13:32] <directhex> Romeo_, it sounds like your best bet might be to use the latest beta for 11.04
[13:32] <Laney> if the graphical installer works for you then do that, otherwise yeah — try the beta
[13:32] <Laney> but haven't you already managed to get it updated and working?
[13:32] <Romeo_> 1104 is the latest? thought it was 10.10? is 10.10 official and 11.04 beta?
[13:32] <Laney> yeah
[13:33] <Romeo_> ok thanx, is it possible to download 11.04 from somewhere and burn it to disk /usb?
[13:35] <popey> Romeo_: 11.04 isnt the latest
[13:35] <popey> I said 10.10 is the latest
[13:35] <brobostigon> cdimages.ubuntu.com and use something like unetbootin or startup disk creator.
[13:35] <popey> 11.04 isn't finished yet
[13:35] <popey> !natty
[13:35] <popey> ^^^
[13:36] <Romeo_> you guys using 10.10 or 11.04
[13:36] <brobostigon> natty here.
[13:36] <popey> I am using 11.04 and 10.04
[13:36] <Romeo_> whats 11.04 like compare to 10.10?
[13:37] <popey> different
[13:37] <brobostigon> Romeo_: that is a complex question to ask.
[13:37] <directhex> newer. which is important when you have driver woe
[13:37] <hamitron> o/
[13:37] <Romeo_> how is it?
[13:38] <popey> http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/2011/04/21 "Skynet is destined to go online a few days earlier on April 19, 2011 at 20:11." Same release date as Portal 2...
[13:38] <Romeo_> i want to try 11.04 if its a beta and crap then ill stay with 10.10 if its good and stable ill try it
[13:38] <brobostigon> Romeo_: i am using gnome3/gnome-shell here, unity is stanard innatty, so dont listen to me.
[13:38] <popey> lots of buzzwords there brobostigon
[13:38] <popey> s/buzzwords/jargon :)
[13:38] <brobostigon> Romeo_: make a live usb and or cd as i desicribed, andplay and see, no risk testing.
[13:39] <brobostigon> popey: good point,
[13:39] <Romeo_> im new to ubuntu so you saying you using gnome3/gnome-shell means nothing to me
[13:39] <brobostigon> Romeo_: so for the language,
[13:39] <brobostigon> sorry*
[13:39] <popey> Romeo_: grab a copy of the beta of 11.04, put it on a usb stick with unetbootin and boot from it. if the GUI works, then maybe 11.04 is for you
[13:39] <popey> but it's not released/finished yet
[13:39] <Romeo_> no probs we all adults
[13:39] <popey> so bugs about
[13:39] <popey> !usb
[13:40] <Romeo_> unebootin?
[13:40] <brobostigon> !unetbootin
[13:40] <brobostigon> !info unetbootin
[13:40] <popey> its detailed on that page
[13:40] <popey> maybe
[13:40] <Romeo_> i used universal usb thingy to put ubuntu on usb stick but it says boot error on my laptop, but its ok on pc
[13:41] <popey> unetbootin is a free download
[13:41] <popey> its quite simple
[13:41] <popey> point it at an ISO image and a USB stick and you're done
[13:41] <hamitron> easier than burning an ISO
[13:41] <hamitron> :)
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: you don't even have to point it at an ISO -- it'll download it for you
[13:41] <popey> not natty it wont MartijnVdS
[13:41] <brobostigon> hamitron: and it is reusable, :)
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: ah yes, good point
[13:43] <smittix> Humble Bundle Is awesome
[13:46] <popey> smittix: unless you have an intel video card
[13:47] <directhex> popey, there's one little thing i should point out in defense of that
[13:47] <popey> oh?
[13:48] <directhex> popey, they don't support intel graphics on *any* os
[13:48] <oimon> all the H.I.B. games i've tried have been fine on intel
[13:48] <popey> heh
[13:48] <directhex> Graphics: Radeon X800 or GeForce 6800 or better
[13:49] <oimon> directhex: is that the new bundle, or the requirements for running unity :P
[13:49] <directhex> oimon, trine.
[13:49] <directhex> trine has more than 10 polygons on screen at once, so it should be obvious intel can't cope
[13:50] <oimon> win 4.22, mac 6.08, linux 11.82 average prices so far..
[13:50] <ali1234> i hate when they say "x or better" - because clearly any intel graphics card is "better" than anything ati have ever made
[13:50] <directhex> i hear in 2015 intel might push the envelope to 15 polygons, with up to 3 of them lit and textured!
[13:51] <oimon> the games look a bit like old school games ..in a good way. FPS a boring
[13:52]  * oimon gets back to trying autotune out on audacity :P
[13:53] <smittix> oiman is that a plugin?
[13:53] <oimon> yes
[13:53] <smittix> link?
[13:55] <ali1234> so wait, the new humble bundle actually only has two games in it?
[13:55] <directhex> ali1234, three.
[13:55] <directhex> ali1234, plus a pre-order for a 4th. plus source and assets to build your own 54th.
[13:55] <directhex> 5th
[13:55] <ali1234> two games, an expansion pack for one of them, one that's not finished, and one that's been cancelled
[13:56] <directhex> survivor is a sequel, not an expansion pack
[13:57] <directhex> feel free to pay retail if you prefer: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/6957/
[13:57] <oimon> smittix: haven't installed it yet (have a meeting to go to at 2pm), but rading up on it, here is some initial info, http://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=50171 i had another link somewhere but can't find it atm
[13:57] <smittix> oimon: Awesome thanks
[13:57] <ali1234> directhex: that's not retail, steam is cheaper than the "$50 if bought separately" that they claim
[13:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: you back from your nap yet?
[14:01] <smittix> Jack Claw: Please note a xbox 360 controller is needed to play this game
[14:01] <smittix> bah
[14:03] <directhex> smittix, it's a prototype with source. add keyboard support!
[14:03] <directhex> also, compile for non-windows
[14:03] <directhex> ali1234, i find it weird that you're complaining about the poor value of "whatever you want to pay"
[14:04] <smittix> HEH
[14:06] <ali1234> i'm not complaining about poor value, i'm complaining about poor quality
[14:06] <ali1234> tbh i wouldn't download either of these games even if they were free
[14:07] <ali1234> also i want back the 5 minutes i spent watching the gameplay videos
[14:11] <seeker> ali1234: You should probably just go back to sleep if you don't want to risk encountering things that are not 100% perfect
[14:11] <hamitron> games?
[14:11] <hamitron> :D
[14:12] <gord> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13060548 - i for one am completely supportive of Japanese companies building our internet infrastructure. they dont' mess around
[14:12] <ali1234> can't be worse than BT
[14:13] <Daviey> gord, really?  The fact that they like to make their own standards?  Almost as bad as the US.
[14:13] <gord> nothing is worse than bt
[14:13] <gord> Daviey, i don't care, i have 2mbit, its 2011 and i have 2mbit
[14:13] <hamitron> I would save the £500 million ;/
[14:14] <Daviey> gord, heh... you need fibre 'almost to your door'.. giving at least 3.5mbit.
[14:14] <hamitron> our country is falling on its knees, I don't consider higher speed internet a priority
[14:14] <Azelphur> willy1977: yay, they mailed me a class 2 card.
[14:14] <Azelphur> I bought a class 10.
[14:14] <popey> a friend of mine made a game for pyweek
[14:14] <popey> it looks like fun
[14:14] <popey> I haven't played it yet
[14:15] <gord> i miss pyweek :(
[14:15] <popey> http://www.pyweek.org/e/TeamWasabi/
[14:15] <popey> two player painting game
[14:15] <directhex> i get 18mbit ¬_¬
[14:16] <directhex> i'd get almost double if i made bt my isp
[14:16] <willy1977> Azelphur: ?
[14:16] <Azelphur> you know the micro sd card saga with ws inspire :p
[14:16] <Azelphur> I think it was you I saw talking to? :D
[14:16] <willy1977> yeah - sorry slept since then :D
[14:16] <willy1977> well that was "nice" of them!
[14:16] <Azelphur> indeed!
[14:17] <Azelphur> gonna call them again xD
[14:17] <hamitron> directhex: who you with?
[14:17] <directhex> hamitron, be
[14:17] <ali1234> popey: now that looks like a good game...
[14:18] <BigRedS> wq
[14:18] <BigRedS> oop
[14:25] <popey> ali1234: apparently the game dynamic is a bit broken in that it's more fun and easier to spoil the other persons work than do your own
[14:26] <ali1234> i don't see why that is "broken"
[14:27] <ali1234> anyway at least it's slightly original
[14:29] <Azelphur> popey: the ubuntu-uk minecraft server runs on 512mb ram right?
[14:29] <popey> no
[14:29] <Azelphur> how much? o.O
[14:29] <dogmatic69> 2gig min ?
[14:29] <hamitron> popey: think the phrase you were looking for is "hell no!!!"
[14:29] <dogmatic69> that is what the docs say
[14:30] <Azelphur> oh :o
[14:30]  * dogmatic69 has a 256mb slice with 10.10 x64 running it though :)
[14:30] <directhex> java eats ram
[14:30]  * hamitron blames java
[14:30] <hamitron> directhex beat me to it :/
[14:30] <smittix> Is minecraft any good?
[14:30] <dogmatic69> and yet, google thought a java vm on a phone is good?
[14:30] <popey>  4011 minecraf  20   0 2761m 977m 7820 S    8 32.4 119:52.60 java
[14:30] <directhex> people call java bloated because it is. it consumes ram in vast quantities.
[14:30] <dogmatic69> smittix: o.o
[14:31] <Laney> 12510 laney     20   0 1580m 1.1g 1436 S    1 28.2 117:29.67 java
[14:31] <directhex> dogmatic69, and palm decided on javascript!
[14:31] <willy1977> smittix: minecrack...
[14:31] <popey> Mem:   3088160k total,  2912668k used,   175492k free,   259352k buffers
[14:31] <popey> Swap:  4805624k total,   258616k used,  4547008k free,  1275488k cached
[14:31] <popey> ^^ Azelphur
[14:31] <directhex> smittix, it's not so much a game as a lego box that sometimes explodes
[14:31] <Azelphur> useful unit of measurement is useful
[14:31]  * Laney has -Xm{x,s}1024M
[14:31] <dogmatic69> directhex: android would have wiped the market out if it was some compiled version of c/c++
[14:31] <popey> java -server -Xmn512M -Xms1024M -Xmx2500M -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseAdaptiveGCBoundary -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=500 -XX:-UseGCOverheadLimit -XX:SurvivorRatio=16 -Xnoclassgc -XX:UseSSE=3 -XX:ParallelGCThreads=3 -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
[14:31] <Azelphur> woa, that's a lot of options I don't use o.O
[14:31] <dogmatic69> apt-get install <androidstuff> :D
[14:31] <ali1234> dogmatic69: use android NDK then
[14:32] <smittix> How much is it?
[14:32] <dogmatic69> yes, that is root + hack to do something it should do out the box
[14:32] <directhex> dogmatic69, seen the venchmarks of dalvik vs mono? ;)
[14:32] <ali1234> whenever i use those -Xm options java just crashes
[14:32] <dogmatic69> directhex: nope? any links?
[14:33] <hamitron> more I think about it, it was good move by MS getting into bed with nokia
[14:33] <directhex> dogmatic69, http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/dalvik-vs-mono.html
[14:33] <Azelphur> popey: java -Xincgc -Xmx2G -jar craftbukkit-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar is all I use, haha
[14:33] <dogmatic69> tx
[14:33] <ali1234> hamitron: good for MS, bad for nokia
[14:33] <directhex> dogmatic69, koush is the guy behind rom manager
[14:33] <hamitron> ali1234: yeh
[14:33] <hamitron> basically leaving a slow android and iOS to beat
[14:33] <Azelphur> popey: what does all those options do? :)
[14:33] <hamitron> or attempt to
[14:33] <hamitron> :)
[14:34] <directhex> dogmatic69, note: these tests predate the dalvik JITter
[14:35] <hamitron> brb, phone :/
[14:35] <ali1234> i want to see dalvik vs mono vs native machine code benchmark pls
[14:36] <ali1234> using modern versions of each
[14:36] <directhex> oh christ on a bike, off on "EVERYONE SHOULD WRITE BINARY MANUALLY" again
[14:36] <andylockran> hey guys
[14:37] <andylockran> I'm wondering if it makes sense /is possible, to do a 2way rsync.. keeping the newest files.
[14:37] <BigRedS> andylockran: csync does that
[14:37] <directhex> unison!
[14:37] <BigRedS> but does break in all sorts of ways frequently
[14:38] <dogmatic69> ali1234: i want to see my *nix running phone able to do ./configure && make && make install with no VM's running java crap
[14:38]  * smittix goes to investigate minecraft
[14:38] <andylockran> directhex: unison the best call?
[14:38] <directhex> unison sucks. but we use it in the office
[14:38] <dogmatic69> smittix: best 15 bucks you can spend
[14:38] <andylockran> lol
[14:38] <andylockran> at least yourre honest
[14:38] <ali1234> yes, everyone should write machine code with hex editor
[14:39] <directhex> really? you can get bioshock 1 and 2 and some beer for 15 bucks
[14:39] <dogmatic69> pfsh
[14:39] <directhex> hex editor? wuss. chaos butterflies are the true test of a developer
[14:39] <dogmatic69> directhex: buy minecraft and you wont have time for beer...
[14:40] <smittix> I don't like bioshock ;)
[14:47] <hamitron> ali1234: \o/ nutter ;)
[14:47] <hamitron> I agree with the principle though
[14:49] <hamitron> google have shown how using the likes of java can be an advantage, having fast development. now they just need to start re-coding some of the things done in proper code, so it does all slow down to a crawl and get a bad name
[15:00] <directhex> hamitron, some of their worst code is their non-java code, though.
[15:00] <hamitron> directhex: probably, but I was just generalising
[15:00] <hamitron> :)
[15:00] <ali1234> can write bad code in any language
[15:01] <hamitron> need to get off the interpretated onto the compiled machine code
[15:01] <directhex> their kernel is the home of their worst mistakes
[15:01] <hamitron> especially if the world is suppose to be wanting to be more energy efficient
[15:02] <hamitron> supposed*
[15:03] <hamitron> putting aside the cost of energy worldwide, it makes sense to use less in portable devices
[15:13] <oimon> showed my wife the gnome shell live cd the other day
[15:13] <oimon> took her less than 10 seconds to decide she didn't like it
[15:14] <popey> what did she try?
[15:14] <brobostigon> oimon: how old or new was/is the cd?
[15:15] <oimon> popey:  it wasn't immediately obvious how you launch apps, since the launcher doesn't display by default
[15:15] <oimon> brobostigon: the new one, based off fedora
[15:15] <brobostigon> oimon: what is the build date?
[15:16] <oimon> date of download on my machine is 2011-04-07
[15:17] <brobostigon> oimon: that isnt quite what i was loking for,
[15:17] <oimon> brobostigon: it was the one on the gnome 3 site
[15:17] <smittix> Heh Unity - http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/84008
[15:17] <oimon> downlaoded a few days ago.
[15:17] <brobostigon> oimon: let me look it up.
[15:19] <oimon> the issue is that the launcher isn't visible by default, you have to click in the corner. as far as she's concerned, it's too many clicks and not worth the bother
[15:20] <brobostigon> oimon: or just swipe up with your mouse,and or hit superkey, for example.
[15:20] <oimon> i showed her unity, and she's going to try it when i upgrade a few months after natty gets released, but i reckon she will prefer gnome classic. average users don't want funky stuff and paradigm shifts
[15:21] <brobostigon> oimon: build date is a week ago, it should be basicllycomplete then.
[15:21] <popey> i dont think thats a valid argument oimon
[15:22] <popey> end users want a working system
[15:22] <popey> and to be able to get to their data/apps
[15:22] <oimon> popey: yes, true of course. and if it is working now, then they don't want to change for change sake
[15:22] <popey> aaaargh
[15:22] <popey> i hate that phrase
[15:22] <popey> nobody changes the desktop "for changes sake"
[15:22] <popey> they do it for perfectly valid reasons
[15:23] <bigcalm> popey: please apply that statement to the window buttons :P
[15:23] <brobostigon> i changed, because i liked the improvements, and they improved my usability of the system.
[15:23] <popey> look at unity and tell me the buttons on the right makes sense
[15:24] <oimon> worked for UNE
[15:24] <bigcalm> _ [] X is what I was refering to
[15:24] <davmor2> popey: nope not with everything top left
[15:24] <popey> bigcalm: yes, i know
[15:24] <popey> davmor2: that was my point
[15:25] <bigcalm> Ah, ok. I'll let you know when I use unity again :)
[15:25] <davmor2> popey: it's most annoying when you have to use a windows box everything is in the wrong place
[15:26] <popey> heh
[15:27] <oimon> if a user uses apps menu, quicklaunch shortcuts and the regular windows list panel, it's quite a jump for them to move to a new way of thinking, when there isn't an obvious benefit to them
[15:28] <popey> people manage by going from windows 3.1 to 95 to xp to 7
[15:28] <popey> and from windows to osx
[15:28] <hamitron> and it was all hassle and required re-training of the idiots! ;)
[15:28] <popey> frequently I hear "oh, they changed that, that sucks" then carry on using it
[15:29] <popey> my wife (or idiot as you put it) didn't need retraining much when she went xp -> debian -> ubuntu -> osx
[15:29]  * hamitron uses what is there and doesn't care
[15:30] <willy1977> try to embrace change... but I just cannot get on with unity yet... :/
[15:30] <hamitron> my gf still asks me "is the return key the funny shaped one" when i am telling her what to type
[15:30] <hamitron> :/
[15:30] <oimon> how many people were upset about new twitter and wanted to keep old twitter?
[15:30] <oimon> loads
[15:31] <popey> and then carried on regardless
[15:31] <popey> people hate change
[15:31] <popey> but when you actually push them they're quite able to cope
[15:31] <popey> they _say_ they can't, but they can
[15:31] <oimon> if there isn't a perceived benefit, i'm not surprised
[15:31] <popey> they whinge and moan, but then get on with it
[15:31] <brobostigon> some change is for the better, and good.
[15:31] <popey> then their perception needs adjustment :)
[15:31] <Myrtti> dabr ftw
[15:32] <willy1977> hummm I agree in the most part but I curse  office 2010 ribbon whenever I try and find anything...
[15:32] <oimon> which side are your buttons on?
[15:32] <willy1977> my point being that sometimes the change is flawed...
[15:32] <davmor2> oimon: What phone do you have?  What phone did you have before?  was there a perceivable difference did you manage to cope with the change?
[15:32] <dogmatic69> willy1977: i liked the ribbon thing. more space for stufff
[15:33] <oimon> davmor2: the phone wasn't forced on me. i upgraded from a dumpphone to a smartphone to gain features
[15:33] <popey> I'm thinking of moving my mum to unity when its out
[15:33] <hamitron> popey: I get your point, but still hate having to change my habbits :)
[15:33] <popey> so do I if they are good habbits
[15:34] <popey> e.g. I hate that I can't use focus follows mouse on unity
[15:34] <willy1977> dogmatic69: I just can't find anything that used to be on a the little tool bar... so I guess popey's point still remains I cope... it's negatively affected my view of office.
[15:34] <X3N> agh why does natty have /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu this is causing such a headache
[15:34] <oimon> why are users of gnome shell required to ditch the minimise button? minimise still "works", whether the purists will question what it does
[15:34] <davmor2> oimon: this isn't forced on you,  you can stick to using maverick
[15:34] <dogmatic69> dont like the new unity thing at all :/
[15:34] <dogmatic69> used it for a few months on netbook
[15:35] <davmor2> oimon: infact you could of stuck to using lucid for 3 years
[15:35]  * hamitron is still using lucid ;)
[15:35] <oimon> davmor2: and then what?
[15:35] <brobostigon> oimon: you dont, you can still have it there, it ustisnt there as standard, and is a waste.
[15:36] <oimon> brobostigon: minimise isn't a waste. the title bars on gnome shell are enormous
[15:36] <oimon> you could have 50 buttons on there
[15:36] <brobostigon> oimon: not here in natty with gnome-shell they arent, theyare alittle big as a direct from svn build, yes.
[15:37] <davmor2> oimon: keep using it,  you don't have to upgrade you do it for benefits like updated application and ermmm desktops
[15:37] <brobostigon> oimon: and why have minimise, if there isnt anything to actually minimise too. ?, good question isnt it.
[15:38] <popey> i use minimise to get things out of my way
[15:38] <oimon> let's wait till natty day and see what the reviews say
[15:38] <popey> I'd wait till a while after that :)
[15:38] <popey> day one reviews are often "WTF!"
[15:39] <oimon> ok
[15:39] <popey> but once people use it for a while, many come around
[15:39] <oimon> point taken
[15:39] <X3N> I thought natty would be more ready given the intended release date
[15:39] <brobostigon> popey: i was refferring to a traditional desktop no longer being there, nd no longer having to minimise for such a function.
[15:39] <popey> how do you get stuff out of the way then?
[15:39] <brobostigon> popey: i switch to another window.
[15:39] <czajkowski> davmor2: kinda
[15:39] <oimon> i wonder if it's possible to get rid of global menu in unity (i know you can in gnome classic)
[15:39] <czajkowski> playing with the roomba
[15:39] <czajkowski> it's a lot of fun
[15:40] <popey> no, i want to push that out of the way
[15:40] <popey> it is oimon
[15:40] <brobostigon> popey: i dont understand what you mean, sorry.
[15:40] <Myrtti> the point of old twitter vs. new twitter and how people can cope with the change is not valid tho, the usebase for twitter is quite young and the flexibility of the mind to adopt new ways of doing stuff seems to go by the years
[15:40] <popey> brobostigon: i want to minimise something for a specific reason, not because I want to "alt-tab" to something else, but I want to dismiss a window for some hours
[15:40] <popey> and come back to it later
[15:40] <oimon> popey: how would you feel if unity got rid of the minimise button?
[15:41] <Myrtti> just last week I had to deal with a crying old person in the grocery shop who was in panic because they thought couldn't use the ATM anymore, because they had added an extra button for donating one euro to charity
[15:41] <popey> i haven't tried gnome 3 so dunno how i feel about losing minimise
[15:41] <popey> hence asking
[15:41] <popey> i know i use it, dunno how much I use it
[15:41] <davmor2> popey: on gnome-shell there argument if I understand it is that is what you're other desktop is for, and on unity you just minimise to the launcher,  or super-d
[15:41] <oimon> Myrtti: a hug and a cup of tea should fix that bug :)
[15:41] <hamitron> Myrtti: isn't Ubuntu young? or am i just getting old? ;)
[15:41] <brobostigon> popey: i take the tactic, and shove it on a diferent workspace, untill i want it again, infact,
[15:42] <hamitron> oimon: and cakes
[15:42] <popey> hmmm
[15:42] <BigRedS> brobostigon: doesn't that take longer than minimising?
[15:42] <oimon> popey: there's a gconftool command you can run to hide your minimise.
[15:42] <BigRedS> I suppose there's keyboard shortcuts...
[15:42] <popey> on windows i minimise a _lot_
[15:42] <popey> ALT+Space, M
[15:42] <hamitron> and cry \o/
[15:43] <popey> maybe thats a limitation of the XP UI, dunno
[15:43] <popey> I haven't analysed it
[15:43] <popey> which is why I'm asking how people deal with not having a minimise option
[15:43] <oimon> XP, gnome2, i would use iminimise the same amount
[15:43] <popey> yeah, same here
[15:43] <brobostigon> BigRedS: not really, just alttab to it again, got it back, then go back again, and its gone, quick.
[15:43] <Myrtti> hamitron: the UX paradigm most people use is a good 20 years old
[15:43] <popey> i like minimising because it's "dismising" stuff
[15:43] <oimon> popey: i dealt with it by finding the command to "fix it" and put it back
[15:43] <popey> i like to dismiss windows
[15:44] <popey> but know its still around somewhere if i need it
[15:44] <popey> i find alt-tab behaviour on ubuntu/gnome/compiz to be odd
[15:44] <popey> i prefer the windows xp way
[15:44] <popey> if I minimise something it goes to the bottom of the stack
[15:45] <popey> alt-tab will toggle between two most recently windows/apps
[15:45] <popey> also alt-tab on xp is very fast, on ubuntu less so
[15:45] <brobostigon> in gnome-shell alt-tab categorises to eachworkspace. and then the apps on theose workspaces.
[15:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone have a recent Natty working (with unity) in VBox
[15:45] <Myrtti> I had to set Ubuntu to be as Windows 2000/XP/98 like as possible to minimize the need of re-educating my sister on how the UX works, and I'm afraid of the day I can't set the main bar on the bottom, Ubuntu button on left, and the min-max-close buttons on the right top corner
[15:45] <popey> nop
[15:45] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i have it on native hardware, not in vm
[15:46] <hamitron> good job MS are forcing people to "change" onto 7 then popey ;)
[15:46] <popey> I have resisted that so far
[15:46] <davmor2> popey: I like the double tap on an icon in the launcher in unity to show only those application windows very nice
[15:46] <popey> i dont like that at all
[15:48] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I am bringing my best mate to the beerex. Was best man at my wedding 10 years ago, and has been my "wingman" for years
[15:48] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I apologise in advance
[15:48] <popey> (for me, not him)
[15:49] <davmor2> popey: Why?  I like it due to the fact that I normally have a couple of terminal windows open at any one time and it makes it really clear which is the one with code running and which isn't :)
[15:49] <popey> open more than two
[15:49] <popey> see if it's so easy to spot
[15:49] <popey> try 8
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is he of the non-geek variety then popey ?
[15:49] <popey> yes
[15:49] <oimon> i have 20 right now
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear
[15:49] <popey> car fan
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear Oh dear
[15:49] <popey> cars / football / beer / curry
[15:49] <danfish> 'noon
[15:49] <popey> very nice chap
[15:50] <popey> recruitment guy
[15:50] <popey> :S
[15:50] <popey> dont hold that against him :)
[15:50] <danfish> popey's takin clarkson :)
[15:50] <davmor2> popey: yeap 8 is still easy
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2 out of 4 is OK then
[15:50] <popey> heh
[15:50] <hamitron> davmor2: try 30
[15:50] <popey> davmor2: what resolution screen?
[15:50] <hamitron> ;/
[15:51] <danfish> time to install chillicam - like watching paint dry but hotter ;)
[15:52] <danfish> chillicam = a joggler with a webcam attached
[15:53] <popey> :)
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: 1280x800 on a 15.6 screen
[15:54] <oimon> it's a shame when the only way to find out about new hires and departures at your palce of work is to check linkedin
[15:54] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: few more than that
[15:54] <AlanBell> Alan,Alan,Alan,Gary,Jon,Lanky,Dave is the full lineup
[15:54] <popey> AlanBell: i think he means two out of four attributes
[15:54] <AlanBell> oh yeah
[15:54] <popey> \o/
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> (15:49:54) popey: cars / football / beer / curry
[15:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> (15:50:13) TheOpenSourcerer: 2 out of 4 is OK then
[15:55] <davmor2> popey: 2 sets of 3 and 2 underneath all quite visible
[15:55] <AlanBell> geek,geek,geek,notgeek,geek,geek,notgeek
[15:55] <hamitron> cars, football and beer are ok ;/
[15:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> I would really like to try Natty but as it doesn't work in VBox I can't be arsed.
[15:55] <AlanBell> it does work in vbox
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> With unity?
[15:56] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: don't come crying to us when you find bugs after release date ;)
[15:56] <AlanBell> in the guest install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
[15:56] <AlanBell> yes, with unity and full compiz bling
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK. TY
[15:56] <AlanBell> I might have that package name slightly wrong
[15:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer boots the VM in recovery mode again.
[15:57] <AlanBell> don't attempt to use the guest additions installer thing
[15:57] <AlanBell> the right guest graphics driver is in the natty repos
[15:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - too late.
[15:57] <gord> it would sure be nice if vbox contributed code to x11 or something to get the guest additions stuff in by default, that would rock
[15:57] <AlanBell> it *is* in by default
[15:57] <davmor2> hamitron: at that point no visual indicator other than alt-tab highlighting the window would help
[15:58] <AlanBell> ok, not in X perhaps
[15:58] <BigRedS> AlanBell: is that not even doing 'apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions' ?
[15:58] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yeah, don't do that
[15:58] <AlanBell> that is a package you install on the host anyway
[15:58] <BigRedS> it is?
[15:58] <BigRedS> I thought it's description suggested it was for guests
[15:58] <AlanBell> it contains the fake CD it can inject into the guest
[15:59] <AlanBell> !info virtualbox-guest-additions
[15:59] <AlanBell> does nothing inside a guest
[15:59] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[15:59] <BigRedS> I just didn't read the second paragraph :)
[16:00] <AlanBell> !info virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
[16:00] <BigRedS> It seems logical that it'd be installed on the guest, to me
[16:00] <AlanBell> that is the one you want, and you want it installed on the guest
[16:00] <BigRedS> as in, that's where I'd expect to install the guest additions, and I thought the package just automated that
[16:00] <BigRedS> ahhhh
[16:00] <AlanBell> confusing as hell, sorry
[16:00] <BigRedS> haha, it's not your fault!
[16:00] <BigRedS> (but I'm gonna blame you anyway) :)
[16:01] <popey> #blamebell
[16:01] <davmor2> popey: still pretty clear and there are 18 here http://ubuntuone.com/p/mRu/
[16:01] <popey> that is _so_ not clear
[16:01] <popey> you wouldn't be able to tell one from another
[16:01] <popey> the fact that yours all just show a default prompt shows that
[16:01] <BigRedS> that's effectively useless
[16:02] <oimon> sweeeeet , got global menu disabled in unity ..now to find out how to show the buttons on the right in maximised mode - anyone?
[16:03] <davmor2> popey: 8 is fairly clear though it's about half the normal window size
[16:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ty AlanBell - I now seem to have a Unity desktop.
[16:03] <davmor2> beside you can still use alt-tab
[16:03] <AlanBell> full of win \o/
[16:03] <popey> as i said davmor2, alt-tab is painfully slow on ubuntu
[16:04] <popey> approx half a second between pressing alt+tab, and the window appearing
[16:04] <oimon> popey: i think it's a compiz thing
[16:04] <popey> on a box running _nothing_
[16:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> So, how do I configure the workspace switcher? I want more then 4
[16:04] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:04] <oimon> popey: after disabling compiz completely, speed returns
[16:04] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, alt+f2 - about:config
[16:04] <davmor2> popey: not here this is all intel hardware though so that might be why
[16:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Obvoius
[16:05] <popey> great
[16:05] <AlanBell> huh! about:config
[16:05] <popey> thats the same thing I get from every single damned canonical employee
[16:05] <popey> thats what irritates me more than anything
[16:05] <popey> "works fine here"
[16:05] <popey> great, magic, thanks.
[16:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope. Nothing
[16:05] <gord> popey, no - alt+tab is slow, we know about it, its not an easy fix
[16:06] <popey> not that, the "use intel" dismissive tone
[16:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> about:config doesn't return anything
[16:06] <oimon> i'm on intel..it's slow since 2008 for me
[16:06] <popey> canonical may or may not be aware, but other video cards are available.
[16:06] <gord> i would never ever reccomend anyone "use intel" ;)
[16:06] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: you need compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> ok
[16:07]  * popey wanders off in a huff :)
[16:07] <gord> i would maybe suggest people set fire to intel chips, or blend them or something
[16:07] <AlanBell> so does about:config try to run ccsm?
[16:07] <popey> it runs one of the applets in there yeah
[16:07] <gord> goes to ccsm -> unity plugin config
[16:07] <gord> you can back out to the rest of the config options
[16:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> WTF is the terminal?
[16:08] <AlanBell> ctrl+alt+T
[16:08] <oimon> according to mark s. : "Very, very few people change it [buttons on left/right], despite the ease with which it can be changed and the outcry when the left side was initially adopted in Ubuntu."
[16:08] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: you still need compizconfig-settings-manager installed for the about:config to work
[16:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> So, hang on. So far my questions have been responded too wit keyboard commands.
[16:08] <AlanBell> yeah
[16:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why do we need a GUI at all.
[16:09] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i have not given you any commands
[16:09] <popey> i said install a package
[16:09] <popey> the icon for software centre is a shopping bag
[16:09] <AlanBell> you can click on the aplications thingie and find the terminal in there somewhere
[16:09] <popey> you dont need a terminal :)
[16:09] <gord> you can use the gui if you want, i just find it easier to convey keyboard commands over a text medium such as irc
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> It wasn't in Accessories.
[16:09] <hamitron> eiiiwwww, popey: that suggests having to get ones wallet out ;)
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: I *LIKE* the terminal
[16:09] <popey> so do i
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have *lots open all the time
[16:10] <popey> i was just countering your assertion that "So far my questions have been responded too wit keyboard commands."
[16:10] <AlanBell> I find with Unity it is easier to open a terminal and start apps from there than find them in the unity menu
[16:10] <popey> in fact my answer pre-dates all these other losers
[16:10] <popey> :)
[16:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: that is not very encouraging.
[16:10] <BigRedS> AlanBell: I found that happened long ago, though with alt+f2 rather than a terminal
[16:10] <oimon> AlanBell: lol
[16:11] <BigRedS> but, yeah, apparently the natty menu is genuinely atrocious, rather than just as long-winded as menus tend to be
[16:11] <popey> isnt the idea you type what you're looking for
[16:11] <popey> not go rummaging for it
[16:11] <oimon> maybe someone can create a menu for the launcher that works in the old style
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> And why do the right click popup menus and top bar look like a really old version of gnome or fluxbox?
[16:11] <AlanBell> I have been hoping that as the GUI improves I would end up using it more
[16:12] <BigRedS> popey: win7 style? that'd be cool
[16:12] <oimon> AlanBell: i had been hoping that as i use it more, i would like it more
[16:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> ZOMG!
[16:12] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Once you have CCSM installed it shows up in system settings under the power icon (for some reason) or under applications lens, or under dash, or alt-f2 about:config as a shortcut,  does that help at all?
[16:12] <hamitron> TheOpenSourcerer: fluxbox? that is teh first reason i've heard to move to it :D
[16:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> You have to hover over the top bar to get the menu?
[16:12] <BigRedS> moreso if the win key opened the menu, but I can imagine that annoying people for no reason other than MS doing it first
[16:14] <AlanBell> best bit for me is that you have to touch pixel 0,0 top left to get the sidebar to pop out and stay out
[16:14] <hamitron> omg no AlanBell :(
[16:14] <popey> AlanBell: thats changed
[16:14] <popey> you just throw mouse to the left
[16:14] <hamitron> I use synergy and will stand no chance
[16:14] <popey> not top left
[16:14] <popey> and its configurable
[16:14] <hamitron> ah :)
[16:15] <AlanBell> ok
[16:16] <AlanBell> top left pixel wasn't too bad in theory, but when running in virtualbox you can't just fling the mouse in that direction and have it land on the right pixel
[16:16] <davmor2> AlanBell: not any more just move your cursor to the left of the screen
[16:16]  * AlanBell updates
[16:18] <popey> there's a new ccms thing called "Launcher & Menus"
[16:18] <popey> ccsm
[16:18] <popey> CCMS is a SAP thing
[16:18] <popey> which is why I have a real hard time remembering CCSM
[16:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> So I can't drag a window to the left (or right) workspace?
[16:19] <popey> i think thats right
[16:19] <popey> grid overrides that
[16:20] <popey> well, you can in expose
[16:20]  * directhex moos. moo!
[16:20] <popey> press meta+s
[16:20] <popey> to get the expose view, then you can drag stuff about
[16:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> WTF is meta?
[16:20] <popey> windows key
[16:20] <AlanBell> super
[16:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[16:20] <popey> oh, sorry, super
[16:20] <BigRedS> I thought meta was normally alt?
[16:20] <directhex> the EVIL KEY OF EVIL MONOPOLY$OFT >8\/
[16:20] <AlanBell> the mono key
[16:20] <hamitron> so why call it super? :/
[16:20] <popey> Mine has a pretty cloverleaf on it
[16:20] <BigRedS> directhex: no, the *handy* key of monopolysoft :)
[16:21] <oimon> it's the tux key innit?
[16:21] <oimon> should have kept my stash of penguin keys
[16:21] <jpds> oimon: /sbin/init.
[16:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> So I need that keypress to drag to another workspace?
[16:21] <hamitron> mine looks more like St George's flag
[16:21] <hamitron> \o/
[16:22] <popey> yes
[16:22] <popey> or you may need to fiddle with some compiz plugins
[16:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Can't see why I would want a full-height half-width terminal
[16:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> ;-)
[16:22] <popey> you might want two windows
[16:22] <popey> side by side
[16:22] <popey> "Aero Snap" as some platforms call it
[16:22] <BigRedS> terminator!
[16:22] <gord> i find dragging to the edge quite useful
[16:22] <directhex> oimon, i have a keyboard with a real tux key
[16:22] <popey> and even have adverts about it
[16:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was being sarcastic popey
[16:23] <directhex> i like aero snap :<
[16:23] <oimon> directhex: i used to have some too..forgot to keep the tux's !
[16:23] <hamitron> directhex: seen them and so want one :)
[16:23] <popey> as was I
[16:23] <oimon> cheery keyboards i seem to recall
[16:23] <oimon> cherry
[16:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why does the UI look so old fashioned?
[16:23] <BigRedS> I'd like a cheery keyboard
[16:23] <directhex> oimon, bingo
[16:23] <popey> i dont like the odd zoomy thing that aero snap has
[16:23] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: no you don't need to keypress,  you can drag the mouse to the left of the screen and then clcik on the workspace icon and then drag and drop your app where ever
[16:23] <popey> er grid
[16:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just launched LibreOffice calc and it looks like Win 3.1
[16:24] <AlanBell> I think a theme has failed to start
[16:24] <directhex> http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2004/11/010-news/tastatur_frei.png
[16:24] <popey> nah, it really does look dated
[16:24] <popey> very big buttons in libreoffice
[16:25] <hamitron> directhex: looks nasty :/
[16:25] <hamitron> I like using A and Z for racing games :D
[16:25] <popey> heheh
[16:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://imgur.com/0CMgs
[16:25] <directhex> hamitron, that's a german layout
[16:26] <directhex> hamitron, mine's a uk keyboard
[16:26] <directhex> hamitron, note: it's my spare now, i use a different main keyboard
[16:26] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: looks like gnome-settings-daemon has crapped out
[16:26] <hamitron> directhex: it is the keys down the left hand side are in the way :/
[16:26] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, why do you have two panels? o_O
[16:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno gord - didn't know I did.
[16:26] <bigcalm> directhex: I don't use SIP, so can't comment on that. But when I was usng the RCs for CM7, the wifi sleep policy wasn't set to 'never'. That caused horrible battery life.
[16:27] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, looks like a gtk2 app on a system with only gtk3 themes. or somesuch.
[16:27] <popey> its because gsd has crashed surely?
[16:27] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: ALT+F2, type gnome-settings-daemon, press enter
[16:27] <davmor2> gord: because it is in a VM
[16:27] <gord> thats the gnome-panel, you shouldn't have a gnome panel
[16:28] <directhex> bigcalm, sleep when screen is off is the default
[16:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Same.
[16:28] <bigcalm> Tell it to never sleep
[16:28] <bigcalm> Will save a lot of battery. Doesn't make sense, but works :)
[16:28] <gord> oooh okay its a screenshot of a vm with the vm's menu okay
[16:28] <gord> that makes more sense
[16:29] <bigcalm> I checked my fiance's and her brother's Wildfire/Desire, both have wifi set to never sleep by default.
[16:29] <bigcalm> In CM6, the default was to never sleep
[16:29] <davmor2> gord, TheOpenSourcerer:  You running running it in Virtual box and for some reason I think you a non default icon set
[16:29] <oimon> bigcalm: huh?
[16:29] <bigcalm> I have no idea why the policy was changed in CM7
[16:29] <bigcalm> oimon: yes?
[16:30] <oimon> is this also an option on sense or just CM builds?
[16:30] <bigcalm> oimon: all android
[16:30] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, if gsd is still running, maybe the theme just isnt' set. alt+f2 - gnome-appearance-properties - set the theme
[16:30] <davmor2> oimon: it's in settings, wireless
[16:30] <bigcalm> oimon: settings -> wifi -> menu
[16:31] <oimon> settings wireless and networks?
[16:31] <bigcalm> oimon: settings -> wireless and networks -> wifi settings -> menu -> advanced
[16:31] <oimon> ah found it, under the advanced menu
[16:31] <oimon> mine never sleeps
[16:32] <oimon> is that good then?
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> tried that gord - still looks the same. But never mind.
[16:32] <bigcalm> Matter of opinion. If you want your battery to last, then yes :)
[16:32] <bigcalm> Not sure why it's an option at all
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> How is the launcher thing supposed to pop in and out. Seems a bit erratic to me...
[16:32] <oimon> wifi uses less battery than 3g i assume
[16:32] <bigcalm> Yes
[16:33] <bigcalm> It would appear
[16:33] <popey> yeah, wifi uses way less than 3g
[16:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> (gnome-appearance-properties:2349): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_sort_real_unref_node: assertion `elt->ref_count > 0' failed
[16:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Tried to select ambience.
[16:34] <Azelphur> does Ubuntu by default stop brute force attacks on SSH?
[16:34] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts  is a pretty good resource for mouse and keyboard usage in unity
[16:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> TY davmor2
[16:35] <popey> Azelphur: ubuntu doesn't have ssh server by default
[16:35] <Azelphur> good point
[16:35] <Azelphur> I'll change my question to does openssh-server  stop bruce force attacks by default :P
[16:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur: I don't think so.
[16:35] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: by the way do you get the app launcher down the left hand side if not you might be in gnome classic
[16:35] <popey> Azelphur: no
[16:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I always install denyhost
[16:36] <oimon> i use fail2ban
[16:36] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: cool, is that zero config? :D
[16:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur: pertty much yes.
[16:36] <Azelphur> nice
[16:36] <AlanBell> Azelphur: it is, if you don't mind locking yourself out
[16:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sometimes AlanBell has to unlock himself
[16:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[16:36] <Azelphur> haha
[16:36] <popey> :)
[16:37] <popey> \o/ ssh keys
[16:37] <AlanBell> otherwise put yourself in hosts.allow before you end up in hosts.deny
[16:37] <Azelphur> it locks you out if you get the password wrong a bunch of times?
[16:37]  * davmor2 I'm with TheOpenSourcerer I use denyhost 3 attempt and you can block for a period or black list completely
[16:37] <Azelphur> yea
[16:37] <Azelphur> I never get my passwords wrong because I copy and paste from a password safe or use ssh keys, so I shouldn't ever get to 3 incorrect inputs
[16:37] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ wc -l /etc/hosts.deny
[16:37] <popey> 4606 /etc/hosts.deny
[16:38] <AlanBell> Azelphur: I never make mistakes either
[16:38] <popey> I saw you drop a chip once
[16:38] <popey> that was a mistake
[16:38] <oimon> he was feeding a pigeon
[16:38] <popey> ah
[16:38] <popey> thats okay
[16:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Bought a Toyota...
[16:38] <AlanBell> ouch
[16:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> sorry.
[16:38] <popey> zoiks
[16:39] <popey> you got rid of the volvo?
[16:39] <AlanBell> the toyota is now a small cube of metal somewhere I expect
[16:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a volvo popey
[16:39] <directhex> i am so happy i got my toyota back from the body shop
[16:39] <popey> oh i see
[16:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure if AlanBell has ever had one
[16:39] <AlanBell> he was poking fun at my toyota purchase
[16:39] <oimon> i didn't think i made mistakes until i got married...then you realise how many selfish things you can do in one day
[16:39] <popey> yes, it wasnt clear
[16:39] <popey> looked like he was saying he'd bought one
[16:39] <directhex> the courtesy car was... ungood
[16:40] <AlanBell> I have never had a volvo
[16:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pidgin adding a ":"
[16:41] <AlanBell> is there a package or something that changes the halt command so that it needs the hostname?
[16:41] <popey> haha
[16:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear.
[16:41] <AlanBell> so instead of sudo halt you have to type "sudo halt myhost"
[16:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders which machine he has just stopped
[16:41] <AlanBell> "playroom"
[16:42] <AlanBell> not a big deal
[16:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh good.
[16:42] <popey> i never type sudo halt
[16:42] <popey> ever
[16:42] <popey> i forget that the command even exists
[16:42] <oimon> AlanBell never makes mistakes...ever :P
[16:42] <AlanBell> why not?
[16:42] <popey> what purpose does it have?
[16:42] <AlanBell> same as shutdown -h now
[16:42] <popey> ah
[16:42] <popey> i usually do that
[16:42] <AlanBell> turns off the machine
[16:42] <popey> more typing
[16:43] <hamitron> Azelphur: is it safe copying and pasting passwords?
[16:43] <oimon> alias halt='echo "are you sure? you are on `hostname`" '   ...etc
[16:43] <Azelphur> hamitron: why wouldn't it be?
[16:44] <hamitron> Azelphur: they not stored in the clipboard?
[16:44] <oimon> a browser hack can reveal clipboard contents
[16:44] <davmor2> AlanBell: can you not set it as a terminal variable maybe
[16:44] <Azelphur> oimon: chrome doesn't let sites access the clipboard
[16:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Yes - follow oimon 's suggestion and brush up your bash skills.
[16:44]  * oimon used to type sync;sync;halt because of solaris pedigree
[16:44] <Azelphur> hamitron: keepass automatically stales the clipboard after 30 seconds if it has a password in it, and it mitigates keyloggers
[16:45] <danfish> hamitron: why the problem - my default root password is 'root'. No-one will ever guess :p
[16:45] <popey> pfft
[16:45]  * TheOpenSourcerer uses keypass. It seems to be pretty good. And it's on Android, Linux and Winblows
[16:45] <popey> is my password
[16:45] <popey> :)
[16:45]  * popey uses lastpass
[16:45] <hamitron> popey: not "pffft"?
[16:45] <hamitron> ;)
[16:45] <popey> if i want to be secure, yes
[16:45]  * danfish uses post-it notes
[16:45] <oimon> anyone else remember typing sync twice before halt?
[16:45] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, keepass or keepassx?
[16:45] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: the wind blows I never knew that
[16:45] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[16:46] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: keypass or keepass? XD
[16:46]  * hamitron likes pen and paper
[16:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right - I have to go and prepare supper. Pork chops in a sauce probably
[16:46] <popey> yum
[16:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: X
[16:46] <popey> ttfn
[16:46] <Azelphur> cya :)
[16:46] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, that's the Qt clone, right?
[16:46] <Azelphur> yea I use keepassx and keepassdroid :)
[16:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think so.
[16:46] <danfish> yum install keypass?
[16:47] <directhex> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/keepass2_2.15+dfsg-1.html
[16:48] <oimon> http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/syncsync.html
[16:49] <Myrtti> woo
[16:50] <Myrtti> minecraft ♥
[16:50] <directhex> i'm actually excited about 1.5
[16:50] <oimon> just bit into a pear that tastes like a potato :(
[16:51] <hamitron> directhex: why?
[16:52] <directhex> hamitron, newer lwjgl, mainly
[16:52] <danfish> oimon: if it tastes like a potato, it probably is a potato!
[16:52] <hamitron> directhex: makes me none the wiser :)
[16:53]  * oimon takes another tentative bite..yep..same hardnes, texture and earthy flavour
[16:54] <directhex> hamitron, no more "running off a cliff" bug, for example
[16:55] <danfish> oimon: mind you, pears at this time of year have been in storage for ages and probably are a bit 'mealy'
[16:55] <oimon> have a whole bagful , hopefully stewing them will fix it
[16:56] <danfish> oimon: add sugar or honey
[16:57] <willy1977> oimon just chip and fry them...
[16:57] <oimon> :)
[16:57] <oimon> why do people use wordpress? writing blog posts seems horrible
[16:58] <willy1977> writig blogs in wordpress you mean?
[16:58] <willy1977> not just writing blogs in general?
[16:58] <oimon> writing a new post in the wordpress website
[16:58] <davmor2> oimon: because it's about as bad as writing them in any other server base opensource tool
[16:58] <directhex> oimon, wordpress is great!
[16:59] <oimon> maybe i'm holding it wrong
[16:59] <willy1977> I like wordpress - but I do use a client based editor and push posts to it ;)
[17:00] <oimon> choosing preformatted text doesn't then let you continue the post in paragraph style format
[17:01] <oimon> hmmm.. worked on the 5th attempt
[17:04] <Myrtti> ahihi
[17:05] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsBon3DTwIY
[17:05] <Myrtti> :-D
[17:09] <oimon> ihihihhi
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: aww
[17:14] <davmor2> popey: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/want-to-see-minecraft-in-the-ubuntu-software-centre-let-mojang-know/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg!+Ubuntu!%29
[17:14] <Myrtti> omgubuntu :-<
[17:14] <Myrtti> TLDR, is there a link to click that doesn't end up in omgubuntu?
[17:15] <dutchie> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_in_the_default_ubuntu_and_other_linuxes_repository
[17:15] <Myrtti> ♥ thank you
[17:23]  * willy1977 will bbl housework dependent :/
[17:28] <smittix> well Trine is a pretty decent game
[17:28] <smittix> Except my mouse is a bit laggy under natty
[17:34] <Guest44825> i have a system that won't start :(     - It says 'the disk at / is not ready, press 's' (to skip)or 'm' (for manaul fix). 'S' just does nothing. What would I need to correct manually?
[17:36] <AlanBell> Guest44825: that sounds bad, what happened?
[17:36] <AlanBell> and what system was it?
[17:36] <Guest44825> I updaated and it got stuck, but said it needed rebooting - so i did, and now it sems dead..
[17:37] <Guest44825> 10.04 maverick is it?
[17:37] <AlanBell> ok
[17:37] <AlanBell> what happens when you press m?
[17:38] <Guest44825> gives me root prompt but read only - although I can boot livecd if I new what to correct...
[17:40] <AlanBell> probably need to do fsck
[17:41] <Guest44825> i have, that says its clean
[17:42] <AlanBell> I think it is a disk uuid problem
[17:42] <X3N> wow even my compiler is crashing on natty
[17:42] <AlanBell> Guest44825: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1541084&page=1
[17:43] <Guest44825> i cant run apt-get upgrade when read only to finish the update - if thats what broke it.. uuid's match from what i can tell - I'll read that
[17:43] <AlanBell> check that fstab and /dev/disk/by-uuid  die up
[17:43] <AlanBell> tie up
[18:03] <kaushal> hi
[18:03] <kaushal> 0 9,21 * * * /usr/local/bin/mirrorbuild.sh > /tmp/mirrorupdatelog 2>&1
[18:03] <kaushal> I have a issue here about the process being stopped
[18:03] <kaushal> i mean the process which gets invoked still runs till 21 hrs
[18:03] <kaushal> How do i prevent it
[18:03] <kaushal> invoked at 9
[18:08] <Myrtti> hum
[18:42] <Myrtti> "whoops" http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/13/hacker-gains-access-to-wordpress-com-servers/
[18:48] <AlanBell> that is a bit of an issue
[18:48] <AlanBell> PHP is rather spectacularly architecturally flawed sadly
[18:50] <dutchie> this is why everyone should use dutchieblog
[18:50] <dutchie> never been hacked! (probably)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I prefer to call it "building on a swamp"
[18:53] <hamitron> "probably", haha
[18:54] <stuphi> kaushal: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/run-one
[18:59] <smittix> has anyone else had problems dragging files to external storage in natty?
[19:02] <smittix> I can copy and paste the same files but dragging and dropping just doesnt work :
[19:20] <phonex01> hello guys
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> wow.. my compiz was 6GB
[19:20] <phonex01> today i saw a guy using his phone to control powerpoint slides i think he use some kind of software that linked using Bluetooth
[19:20] <phonex01> anyone tried that before ?
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: sonunds possible
[19:21] <JGJones> Yeah done it years ago
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> there's a plugin for Libreoffice/openoffice
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> and an app for some phone models
[19:21] <JGJones> Although that was on Windows
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> I've had it work on Uubntu
[19:21] <phonex01> what is the name of that library ?
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu
[19:21] <JGJones> with a Sony Ericsson Z61 phone
[19:22] <phonex01> can i use on Nokia C3 ?
[19:22] <Myrtti> even old Nokia phones had a remote for Ubuntu slides
[19:22] <phonex01> how !
[19:22] <phonex01> is that ?
[19:22] <Myrtti> now if only I'd remember the name
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothRemoteControl
[19:23] <Myrtti> ah yes, amora
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: simple wiki search
[19:23] <phonex01> hahah im read that right now
[19:23] <phonex01> i did that
[19:23] <phonex01> but it says that it support Ericsson phones ?
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: https://market.android.com/details?id=ratisbonsoft.presenter.full
[19:24] <zleap> 11.04 is looking pretty good,  (just fired up daily release from yesterday)
[19:29] <Myrtti> "you're welcome"
[19:32] <zleap> not sure if I will upgrade till i have a hard ware upgrade
[19:32] <zleap> it may go on my netbook though,  but may have to download the netbook specific version
[19:36] <zleap> hello
[19:46] <davmor2> zleap: hello
[19:47] <zleap> hi, hows you
[19:47] <davmor2> zleap: there is no netbook version any more it's an all in one
[19:47] <zleap> ok
[19:48] <zleap> i just fired up evolution and the next button was off screen until i think i got it to maximise then it sorted it self out
[19:48] <davmor2> zleap: it's been that way for a while there is an old bug for that
[19:48] <zleap> ah
[19:49] <davmor2> you can also alt-grab with the mouse and move it up to get the button too
[19:51] <zleap> ok,  will take a look
[19:52] <zleap> just checked out which version i need for a kids book on learning python, so may install python 3 at a local youth project ( I am helping to sort out computers for em)  and copy the snake wrangling for kids book 0.7.7 as that covers ver 3
[19:52] <zleap> see if one of the kids wants to learn python
[20:16] <ali1234> i just found this rant by a game "developer" after rading about the gmod thing today: http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=42663
[20:16] <ali1234> there are some really hilariously dumb things in that
[20:16] <ali1234> "he realized that he'd forgotten to re-install his BIOS update after he  wiped the machine.  He fixed that, all his crashes went away."
[20:17] <ali1234> for example this ^
[20:17] <ali1234> i didn't realise that reinstalling windows also resets your bios back to the factory version
[20:17] <zleap> it does
[20:17] <zleap> erk
[20:17] <zleap> why is windows even touching the bios
[20:17] <ali1234> it isn't, the guy is talking rubbish
[20:18] <ali1234> then he goes on to talk about how users saying "it can't possibly be my fault"
[20:19] <zleap> hmm
[20:20] <zleap> you would think a game developer would make sense on the subject eh
[20:20] <ali1234> tbh i wouldn't
[20:20] <ali1234> so many developers think they are shit hot and can do no wrong
[20:20] <zleap> that seems to apply to many topics
[20:21] <zleap> look at web design,  you get good sites, and others that are full of flash, but look great, but take aeons to load
[20:21] <ali1234> lol web designers
[20:21] <ali1234> they are some of the worst
[20:21] <ali1234> especially the ones who think they are developers when they only know html and css
[20:21] <ali1234> and sometimes how to install a CMS
[20:22] <ali1234> but not how to update it
[20:22] <ali1234> and then they wonder why they get owned 6 months later
[20:22] <zleap> lol
[20:30] <zleap> does anyone know if a game called vultures is in 10.10 or 11.04 it a grapjical front end to nethack,  it looks like a contiuation of nethack-falcons eye which was in 9.04 i think and perhaps 9.10
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> zleap: nothing matching "vulture" in natty
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> zleap: but you should play "normal" nethack, it's better :P
[20:47] <zleap> ok
[20:48] <zleap> i tried it,  need to learn all the controls etc
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> hjkl, same as vi(m)
[20:48] <zleap> ah
[20:48] <zleap> and ctrl=2 to turn on auto pickups iirc
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> I can do it blind.. I've played it for ages :)
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> I don't use autopickup, except in special situations
[20:49] <zleap> the controls are the same for nethack anyway only you can use a mouse and you get a nice graphcial game
[20:49] <zleap> hmm, is there any advantage to picking up bones, dead bodies etc
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> no, dead bodies an be cursed
[20:49] <matti> ;]
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> stuff on them*
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> I only turn on autopickup if stuff is on a trap door.. :)
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> (or teleport trap, etc.)
[20:50] <popey> bah, i hate nvidia
[20:51] <popey> trying to get nvidia settings to let me set the second screen to be anything above 640x480 is futile
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: is the second screen "bad" (I2C/DDC-wise)?
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: or does it work on its own?
[20:51] <zleap> ab
[20:51] <zleap> ah
[20:51] <popey> its not technically a display
[20:51] <popey> its a framegrabber
[20:51] <popey> which pretends to be a display
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> zleap: really, I played it for too long :)
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: ah.. stuff like that can have bad DDC infoz
[20:52] <zleap> lol
[20:52] <zleap> ok still on games
[20:52] <popey> so do i need to force it via modelines in xorg.conf?
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: but you used to be able to beat it into submission with some xorg.conf h4x0ring
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> modelines.. yes!
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> a lost art :)
[20:53] <zleap> can glest be played over a network ( I am looking for some cool games to install at local youth project as I am installing a internet cafe)
[20:53] <popey> bah
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> This is going to feel very 199
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> 1999
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> popey: how is it connected? VGA? HDMI? DVI?
[20:53] <popey> mbp displayport to vga
[20:53] <popey> works in osx of course
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> What happens if you connect it to a "normal" PC (if you have one of those)
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> and/or a "normal" graphics card ;)
[20:54] <popey> oh it works connected to the mac via displayport
[20:54] <popey> it is a working device
[20:54] <popey> its just that nvidia seems to think 640x480 is the mac
[20:54] <popey> *max
[20:54] <popey> gonna haxor the gibson
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> good luck with the modelines
[20:55] <popey> bah
[20:55] <popey> killing x kills nm
[20:55] <popey> killing ssh
[20:55] <popey> fool
[20:56]  * MartijnVdS orders some emergency tea and cheese for popey towers!
[20:57] <zleap> ohh cheese = good
[20:58] <Keniicchii> any of you good with computers
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> Keniicchii: I've done some things with them
[20:59] <zleap> me too
[20:59] <willy1977> is it plugged in?
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> have you tried turning it off and back on again?
[20:59] <willy1977> Click Start/Run then type in CMD... oh no wait... :p
[20:59] <Keniicchii> ahaa :L well the screen resolution on my computer is too small, its only 800x600 and i was wondering how to make it bigger
[21:00] <willy1977> I know nothing and that's easily proven
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> Keniicchii: you're having the same problem as popey :)
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> !private | Keniicchii
[21:03] <Keniicchii> lubotu3: how do i do that.. sorry im like reli new at this
[21:09] <Arash_> Any lady wanna chat, I am 34 years and a male.
[21:10] <Seeker`> Arash_: not that sort of chatroom
[21:10] <willy1977> what you want Arash_ baby?
[21:10] <zleap> Arash_, this is not a dating forum
[21:10] <willy1977> :p
[21:10] <Arash_> Sorry
[21:10] <Arash_> But I am not looking for any date
[21:11] <Seeker`> still not that sort of chatroom
[21:11] <willy1977> was going to say you'll not find it here ;)
[21:11] <Arash_> I just want to have chat with my opposite sex?
[21:11] <Arash_> Okay my mistake then
[21:11] <willy1977> try /join #bigandbouncy then?
[21:11] <zleap> lol
[21:12] <Seeker`> feel free to go out and find a lady to chat to
[21:12] <Seeker`> we aren't stopping you
[21:12] <willy1977> or /join #meloveyoulongtime
[21:13] <Arash_> Willy I was born in 1977 too, which month you born?
[21:14] <Arash_> Me in December 16
[21:14] <willy1977> :o
[21:14] <Seeker`> you were born in the month of december 16?
[21:14] <Seeker`> just how many decembers were there in 1977?
[21:15] <Arash_> Why ?
[21:15] <Arash_> Yes
[21:15] <willy1977> or you could try /join #thejokehasbackfiredonwilly1977andhereallyneedstonottakethepissanymore
[21:22] <popey> MartijnVdS: my natty with nvidia driver seems to ignore my modelines :(
[21:22]  * popey boots lucid
[21:22] <popey> er, maverick
[21:22] <Daviey> popey, on your mbp?
[21:22] <popey> yes
[21:22] <Daviey> popey, how come you need custom modelines?
[21:23] <HazRPG> \o/
[21:23] <popey> external vga device
[21:23] <HazRPG> howdy all
[21:23] <Daviey> popey, ah!
[21:23] <popey> http://www.epiphan.com/products/frame-grabbers/vga2usb-lr/
[21:23] <popey> that
[21:23] <Daviey> popey, you pre-empted me asking :)
[21:23] <popey> which is supposed to say "hey, I'm a 1280x800 device"
[21:23] <popey> and it does in osx
[21:23] <popey> but the linux nvidia driver seems to need more of a shove
[21:23] <Daviey> popey, is it the doggies danglies?
[21:24] <popey> not yet
[21:24] <Daviey> i want /something/ for external, just undecided waht
[21:24] <popey> it will only do 640x480
[21:24] <Daviey> pah, 1988 style.
[21:24] <popey> might have to nag their support people
[21:25]  * popey tries their live support thing
[21:25] <Seeker`> Daviey o/
[21:26] <HazRPG> epic clipboard! (even has videos!) http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/supplies/e769/?cpg=157H&head
[21:28] <Daviey> Seeker`, o/
[21:29] <Daviey> popey, I've been considering dualhead2go, which presents itself as a single screen HUGE X by Y, but splits out into two VGA's
[21:29] <zleap> hi Daviey
[21:30] <Daviey> hey zleap
[21:30] <zleap> we finally got the lighthouse running a ubuntu internet cafe :D
[21:30] <zleap> we have windows too, but only so we don't have big holes in the walls, lol
[21:33] <issyl0> zleap: o/
[21:34] <matti> issyl0: License is not that much ;]
[21:34] <issyl0> matti: For what?
[21:34] <zleap> actually they are gettting some macs,  but we are a music venue,  so they need them for a mash up project or something so it will be a mix of linux and macs
[21:34] <zleap> issyl0, hows you
[21:35] <issyl0> zleap: I'm fine - you?
[21:35] <zleap> i am good
[21:36] <zleap> just downloading parted magic to add to my utility collection
[21:37] <matti> issyl0: TextMate
[21:37] <matti> ;]
[21:37] <issyl0> matti: Ah.  It's 40 quid!
[21:37] <matti> issyl0: Unless you are a hard-core VIM nerd already ;p
[21:38] <issyl0> matti: I'm not already, but then how will I learn?  But TextMate is sooo nice.  :P
[21:38] <issyl0> (Why are we discussing Mac OS in here?  :P)
[21:38] <matti> issyl0: I know, I use it at work ;]
[21:38] <matti> issyl0: We are not, I am just talking to you ;p
[21:38] <issyl0> matti: OK, OK.
[21:39] <issyl0> matti: Oooh, TextMate at work, you lucky thing.
[21:39] <matti> issyl0: :)
[21:39] <matti> issyl0: I have Ruby Mine too, but I prefer TextMate.
[21:40] <matti> issyl0: Can you get academic license?
[21:41] <issyl0> Ooh.  There's a 15% educational discount apparently, but whether that's for individuals or, say, universities is unclear.
[21:42] <issyl0> matti: Yeah, you have to be an actual educational institution.
[21:42] <matti> Damn.
[21:42] <issyl0> Indeed.  P
[21:43] <issyl0> :P*
[21:43] <ging> i'm an educational institution
[21:44] <matti> issyl0: Give me your mail.
[21:46] <issyl0> matti: PM?
[21:47] <issyl0> matti: Mail as in?
[21:47] <matti> issyl0: Snail Mail died 20 years ago when they invented Internet ;]
[21:47] <issyl0> matti: Good good.  :-)
[21:56] <AlanBell> "this week's guest publication" correct apostrophe?
[21:59]  * popey wonders how unity is in nouveau these days
[21:59] <phonex01> hi popey
[21:59] <phonex01> good night
[22:04] <willy1977> AlanBell: I think that's right yes.  You are indication the the publication listed afterwards belongs to this week... by doing it like that.
[22:04] <willy1977> *indicating
[22:07] <issyl0> AlanBell: Yes, that's correct.  It's "the week's", so thereby implying "week" singular.  :-)
[22:07] <issyl0> s/the/this/
[22:08] <AlanBell> great, two confirmations that I got it right, both of them including an error!
[22:10] <zleap> nite all
[22:11] <issyl0> AlanBell: Gah!
[22:12] <issyl0> AlanBell: Trust me.  :-)
[22:13] <AlanBell> I do!
[22:14] <daubers> Evening
[22:14]  * daubers has just got home :(
[22:14] <willy1977> daubers not funny at all that!
[22:14] <issyl0> daubers: From where?
[22:15] <daubers> issyl0: work
[22:15] <issyl0> daubers: :-(
[22:15] <daubers> Silly custom software/hardware builds
[22:15] <gord> popey, i think it depends on your card, nouveau has... changing.. support for card generations
[22:17] <AlanBell> !info mumble
[22:17] <popey> gord: sadly multi monitor is lacking
[22:17] <HazRPG> woo mumble \o/
[22:17] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/13/ive-started-so-ill-finish/ issyl0 how does that look?
[22:18] <popey> i cant seem to get the nvidia driver to actually do what I want
[22:18] <popey> which is very frustrating
[22:18] <AlanBell> popey: how was your live support experience?
[22:18] <popey> "our device is not at fault"
[22:18] <popey> "sounds like a bug in the nvidia driver"
[22:18] <popey> which is ever so slightly less than useful
[22:18] <issyl0> AlanBell: PM?
[22:21] <HazRPG> popey: your not alone in thinking the nvidia drivers are poor lol
[22:21] <Nafallo> popey: check PM
[22:21] <HazRPG> wait till you have 2 screens to contend with...
[22:23] <popey> that is exactly the issue I am dealing with
[22:24] <popey> I have another plan though..
[22:24]  * popey ferrits about under the desk
[22:27] <AlanBell> popey: I have a mad plan too
[22:27] <popey> uhoh
[22:27] <AlanBell> I have a projector with vga in and vga out
[22:27] <Seeker`> popey: is that behaving like a small mammal made of iron?.
[22:27] <AlanBell> do you have one of those?
[22:27] <popey> i have no projector
[22:28] <popey> but i have a desktop which has a much better behaved nvidia card than my laptop
[22:28] <AlanBell> because if you do I think you could plug it all to gether and the computer would see the edid of the projector and not the framegrabber
[22:28] <popey> ooo
[22:28] <AlanBell> thus 1024x768 passthrough
[22:28] <popey> i need 1280x720 :)
[22:28] <popey> "need"
[22:28] <AlanBell> even with the projector bulb off
[22:28] <AlanBell> well it might do that too
[22:28] <popey> hmmmmm
[22:28] <popey> this might need testing
[22:29] <popey> what an utter bag of spanners
[22:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E04  Back in the Village - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/04/13/s04e04-back-in-the-village/
[22:29] <popey> :)
[22:29] <AlanBell> the only podcaster in the village
[22:29] <popey> woooah
[22:30] <popey> 30 people stopped following me on twitter
[22:30] <Seeker`> :O
[22:30] <Seeker`> what did you do popey!
[22:30] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/593766/
[22:31] <popey> i need therapy!
[22:31] <Seeker`> zomg
[22:32] <Seeker`> popey: jimmy carr was following you O.o
[22:35] <popey> _was_
[22:36]  * gord wonders what popey said to get unfollowed
[22:36]  * popey reboots into linux
[22:37] <AlanBell> is that 30 lost followers over a long period?
[22:38] <AlanBell> Quiz: 16th April 21:00 <--
[22:38] <HazRPG> AlanBell: \o/
[22:39] <HazRPG> add to gcalendar :D
[22:39] <popey> AlanBell: a few weeks i guess
[22:40] <AlanBell> well you do have rather a lot of stalkers
[22:40] <AlanBell> probably people who followed you then realised after a few weeks worth of your tweets "oh, probably not actually Elvis"
[22:41] <Nafallo> AlanBell: haha
[22:45] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:54] <directhex> popey, 30 spam accounts deleted, you mean?
[22:54] <AlanBell> like fabsh
[22:55] <AlanBell> although actually fabsh stopped following everyone on twitter
[22:55] <gordonjcp> I stopped following fabsh when he wouldn't shut up about football
[22:55] <popey> he quit twitter
[22:55] <popey> completely
[22:56] <popey> very quickly after he and I had a heated discussion about twitter vs identica ;)
[22:58] <AlanBell> the world would be a better place if everyone used identi.ca
[22:58] <AlanBell> but they don't
[23:02] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I would use it if my jabber account *just* worked with identi.ca like they said it would :/
[23:02] <Seeker`> Jabber \o/
[23:04] <HazRPG> I planning on federating my own domain to have an XMPP server on it at some point so I won't need to have a jabber account after that :P
[23:05] <Nafallo> HazRPG: ehrm. why do you want a jabber server if you're not gonna put a jabber account for yourself on it? that doesn't make sense to me...
[23:05] <AlanBell> only 45 oggcamp tickets left
[23:06] <HazRPG> Nafallo: oh, I mean I can scrap the jabber account I have, and just use my own XMPP server instead
[23:07] <HazRPG> so that people can add me via me@domain.com instead of me@jabber.org
[23:12] <popey> hmm, spotted an interesting natty bug
[23:12] <popey> open nautilus, switch to list view
[23:12] <popey> make the window a bit narrow so you get a horizontal scroll bar
[23:13] <popey> (which is the new orange one)
[23:13] <popey> put mouse over orange bar and scroll wheel
[23:13] <popey> it lets you scroll past where it should
[23:17] <Azelphur> Anyone here somewhat handy with drupal? I have a nasty case of the missing menus :(
[23:22] <popey> bug 760307
[23:22] <HazRPG> omg! http://adamatomic.com/canabalt/mega/
[23:22] <HazRPG> too addictive! WHY!?
[23:23] <HazRPG> actually take the "mega/" off if you want the normal sized version, just realised that the HD one might be too big for some screens
[23:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Ive started so Ill finish - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/13/ive-started-so-ill-finish/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ive-started-so-ill-finish