| rick_h_ | how's MUG? | 01:54 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | guess it's almost done...too late | 01:54 |
| Blazeix | rick_h_: MUG was good. No internet connection though :( | 03:44 |
| snap-l | howdy. | 04:01 |
| brousch | this sucks for half of the people using a 5 year old computer https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/741930/comments/5 | 13:06 |
| brousch | same bug for nvidia-173 legacy drivers | 13:10 |
| tjagoda | You could be like the current state of my intel | 13:14 |
| tjagoda | and just crash every 2 hours | 13:14 |
| tjagoda | would that be better? | 13:14 |
| tjagoda | =P | 13:14 |
| brousch | at least you get to use unity for 2 hours at a stretch ... | 13:15 |
| tjagoda | I like how we break, fix, break, break, fix in our release cycles | 13:16 |
| tjagoda | My formerly rock-solid Ubuntu is now unreliabel and flakey at best =( | 13:17 |
| tjagoda | reliable* | 13:17 |
| brousch | beta | 13:17 |
| tjagoda | This close to launch I am not inclined to accept that as excuse | 13:17 |
| brousch | if you want solid, don't upgrade until 3 months after release | 13:17 |
| tjagoda | There is an inherent problem in that statement | 13:18 |
| tjagoda | in that it says its okay to release things lacking in quality | 13:18 |
| tjagoda | =P | 13:18 |
| brousch | everybody does it | 13:19 |
| brousch | microsoft started it | 13:19 |
| tjagoda | ....!!!!! | 13:19 |
| * tjagoda explodes | 13:19 | |
| brousch | everyone knows you don't install MS until SP1 is out | 13:19 |
| brousch | if MS does it, that makes it OK for everyone else | 13:20 |
| tjagoda | This reasoning is flawed | 13:20 |
| tjagoda | If MS makes shit, it should not mean that everybody else should therefore make shit | 13:20 |
| tjagoda | it means they make shit and I don't want to use it | 13:20 |
| tjagoda | non-shit should be the goal! | 13:20 |
| tjagoda | =P | 13:20 |
| brousch | obviously that is impossible | 13:21 |
| tjagoda | 7.04 happened | 13:21 |
| brousch | you end up with red hat, who releases software that's 2 year out of date so it's stable | 13:21 |
| tjagoda | it is not impossible | 13:22 |
| tjagoda | 7.04 was the last ubuntu that delivered new features while still remaning solid for me =( | 13:22 |
| rick_h_ | sometimes I just love being able to view the code to figure out how the heck to do something, or how to call methods, etc | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | but dammit, when the code makes no sense, it's worse than the lack of docs ugh | 13:34 |
| tjagoda | tomorrow is kernel and release freeze day | 13:35 |
| tjagoda | They then have 7 days until they build the release image | 13:36 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Which means you'll have a more stable system soon if you file bugs. ;) | 13:36 |
| snap-l | otherwise quitcherbitchin' | 13:36 |
| tjagoda | I have been, thank you =( | 13:36 |
| snap-l | On the plus side, I have the Ubuntu One Music store again | 13:36 |
| tjagoda | Even a minor unity one where libreoffice close/min/max buttons do not appear when you launch from files versus launching from the launcher | 13:37 |
| snap-l | (under Rhythmbox. Did an uninstall of the old plugin, and an install of the new plugin) | 13:37 |
| snap-l | was version 0.1.8, now version 0.0.9 | 13:38 |
| snap-l | Thank you, screwy numbering conventions. | 13:38 |
| tjagoda | Wait | 13:38 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Are you sure the problem isn't with your video drivers? | 13:38 |
| snap-l | That's sounding an awful lot like video problems. | 13:38 |
| tjagoda | I am absolutely certain that my video drivers do not make only three buttons appear or disappear based on how I launch the program | 13:39 |
| tjagoda | It's inside libreoffice | 13:39 |
| tjagoda | happens nowhere else | 13:39 |
| tjagoda | Are there any changes in libreoffice apart from the name, btw? | 13:42 |
| tjagoda | I didn't notice much different, but I didn't look very hard | 13:43 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: You should notice more as more release come forth | 13:45 |
| snap-l | mostly it's the ability to accept patches | 13:45 |
| tjagoda | Mostly just organizational changes then? | 13:48 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Well, there's also a few patches that didn't get accepted into Open Office for one reason or another | 13:55 |
| snap-l | http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ | 13:55 |
| snap-l | Stuff like "Import of Microsoft Works documents" | 13:56 |
| snap-l | Many Wordperfect import improvements* | 13:57 |
| tjagoda | WORD PRO IMPORT FILTER! | 14:00 |
| tjagoda | WWOOOOOHOOOO! | 14:00 |
| tjagoda | LOTUS BABY! | 14:00 |
| brousch | lotus 123? | 14:00 |
| tjagoda | We still use Lotus Approach in some DB's here | 14:00 |
| tjagoda | I have like 40 licenses of the Lotus Smart Suite | 14:00 |
| brousch | if it can open lotus 123 spreadsheets i will kiss somebody | 14:00 |
| tjagoda | They do not explicity mention it | 14:02 |
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| brousch | damnit. our lotus is too old | 14:07 |
| snap-l | ugh | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | heh "dammit, we have lotus" | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | had to correct that for you :) | 14:07 |
| brousch | i'm way beyond that | 14:09 |
| brousch | lotus 123 R 4. comes on 4 floppies | 14:10 |
| brousch | damn thing still runs in win7 | 14:10 |
| brousch | sorry, 1-2-3 Release 5 for Windows | 14:11 |
| brousch | copyright 1991, 1994 | 14:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | how does the Nook compare to the Kindle? Thoughts? | 14:12 |
| brousch | nook color can easily become a real android tablet | 14:13 |
| brousch | that's +++ in my book | 14:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | http://www.woot.com/ | 14:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | is why I ask | 14:14 |
| brousch | ah | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | I say crap, but I know a couple of people that like their nooks | 14:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | why's that | 14:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ? | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | I've not been able to check with them on if they've used a kindle | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | when I tried one in the store the software was horrible, bad usability, hung up on me, had to reset it | 14:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ah | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | the dual screen thing I found distracting | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | now, they've made some software updates over time | 14:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm still leaning towards waiting on ereaders anyway, for the moment | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | so maybe it's better | 14:15 |
| brousch | i have friends who like their nook | 14:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | though, they're getting cheap enough for me to probably do it soon | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | but I find the kindle better hardware, battery life, and I already buy most of my bookis via amazon | 14:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | how's the DRMness? | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: but any that can compare nook v kindle? That's what I'm looking for | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | of the nook? it's drm-y, but it does to epub I think so that's a win if you get your books from other sources | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | and kindle doesn't :( | 14:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | of either, I suppose. I just like the idea of getting the books with as little DRM as possible, rather than "rent them until they take them back", etc | 14:17 |
| ColonelPanic001 | especially since ebooks are often not that much cheaper anyway, seems | 14:17 |
| snap-l | Any eBook reader is DRMy. | 14:17 |
| ColonelPanic001 | equally, though? | 14:18 |
| brousch | i think the drm depends more on where you buy it than on what you run it | 14:18 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 14:18 |
| brousch | where you buy the book | 14:18 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ah. noted' | 14:18 |
| brousch | or "acquire" the book | 14:18 |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: If you want the DRM books, buy a device that handles wirless and shopping on the device | 14:18 |
| snap-l | The Kobo that I bought handles it that way, and I would be hard-pressed to notice the DRM | 14:19 |
| snap-l | That said, I have two books that I bought that way. | 14:19 |
| snap-l | If you use the PC client, it's a miserable experience. | 14:19 |
| ColonelPanic001 | heh | 14:19 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Nice... so Natty is shipping with a busticated pyopenssh? | 14:40 |
| snap-l | I love too that the folks that we're working with to solve the Java "Null Pointer Exception" issue are blaming my script for sending something malformed | 14:41 |
| snap-l | Which might be true, but it's also true of someone elses' Perl program | 14:42 |
| snap-l | Which leads me to believe that it might not just be our code that's faulty. | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: wheeeee | 14:45 |
| snap-l | Yeah, isn't that the first step in debugging: blame the OS | 14:47 |
| brousch | i thought that was only if you're running windows | 14:48 |
| snap-l | (literally had a VB coder tell me that the OS was faulty because his code was crashing | 14:48 |
| wolfger | snap-l: http://www.teefury.com/ | 15:51 |
| wolfger | also, any other old school gamers ^^ | 15:51 |
| snap-l | heh | 15:52 |
| brousch | i am demoing natty next thursday at wmlug. should i use the tablet with broken nvidia drivers, the netbook with broken wifi drivers, or a virtual machine running on my mac? | 16:39 |
| snap-l | brousch: Tough call. :) | 16:40 |
| brousch | we'll see how the virtualbox vm works. if it fails unity i'll try to scrounge up a laptop with working drivers | 16:41 |
| greg-g | so sad | 16:46 |
| brousch | yeah, the worst part is i like it and am excitd about it | 16:47 |
| brousch | i might have a usb wifi dongle i could use on the netbook | 16:49 |
| wolfger | netbook with a wire? | 16:53 |
| brousch | i haven't presented at this location. there will probably be ethernet, but i can't assume it right now | 16:54 |
| brousch | crap. the last presenter had trouble with the projector in linux | 16:55 |
| brousch | sounds like i need to make a trip out there beforehand | 16:55 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, 2.5hrs down the drain debugging stupid IE css bugs with absolute positioned crap | 17:11 |
| windows_ | if anyone is looking for a job Urban Science has openings. beware... it's 99% Microsoft | 17:35 |
| windows_ | https://careers-urbanscience.icims.com/jobs/intro | 17:35 |
| snap-l | I wonder if the Circus is hiring, because right now I want to run away and join it | 17:39 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: ruh roh | 17:42 |
| snap-l | Java and I have irreconcilable differences | 17:43 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: time to lawyer up...who's going to get the laptop in the split? | 17:58 |
| _stink_ | i think that pre-nup you agreed to by clicking 'Next' is gonna be a tough o ne | 18:00 |
| rick_h_ | oooh, good cap | 18:00 |
| rick_h_ | /cap/call | 18:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I wish I could access my Safari account (via the ACM) through the Kindle for Android app | 18:11 |
| * ColonelPanic001 daydreams | 18:11 | |
| ColonelPanic001 | I guess I could do it via a browser, but online online as far as I know, etc. meh, good enough | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | ColonelPanic001: yea, if I could get safari access on the kindle I'd subscribe today | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | but then there's little desire to buy the books, just subscribe | 18:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah. | 18:15 |
| jrwren | what did java do to you? | 18:16 |
| rick_h_ | "bend over user..." | 18:17 |
| jrwren | user? | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | tron | 18:17 |
| jrwren | the virus that is the win32 installer? | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, have a strange thing going today, part monday's, part just out of it | 18:17 |
| snap-l | heh | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/13/hacker-gains-access-to-wordpress-com-servers/ | 18:31 |
| rick_h_ | so who's getting hacked next | 18:31 |
| brousch | bmark.us | 18:34 |
| rick_h_ | woo! | 18:34 |
| jrwren | lol | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | lol, jrwren what did you get called a fanboi for? | 18:59 |
| brousch | i declare ubuntu 10.04 the ubuntu developer edition. it's so easy to get it up and running and it's just like your deploy environment | 19:03 |
| jrwren | i'm watching the mix keynote. | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: so LTS == dev edition? | 19:04 |
| brousch | sounds good to me | 19:05 |
| brousch | i really miss apt-get when i work in osx | 19:05 |
| rick_h_ | #1 reason to not use osx | 19:06 |
| brousch | oh awesome, pydev is now included with aptana 3 | 19:14 |
| brousch | no need to install it seperately | 19:14 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: you guys going to Ignite tomorrow? | 19:31 |
| snap-l | I have tickets, but I'm thinking I'll pass | 19:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: You planning on going? | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we've got babysitter and all | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | so we're a bit more dedicated lol | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Ah, very cool | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Apparently. ;) | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | well, when we leave the house it takes us a bit more planning/commitment | 19:36 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: cool man, I bet jcastro will be there. carrie and i are about 50/50 at this point | 19:36 |
| rick_h_ | cool | 19:36 |
| jcastro | there's going to be like 1000 people there this time | 19:40 |
| jcastro | we should go! | 19:40 |
| snap-l | I sent JoDee some of the particulars. She might be interested in going | 19:47 |
| jcastro | greg-g: you guys should come, haven't seen carrie since ... the wedding? that can't be right. | 19:52 |
| greg-g | geez, uh, maybe! | 19:54 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: any word yet from put west? | 19:55 |
| rick_h_ | /put/out | 19:55 |
| _stink_ | .. | 19:55 |
| rick_h_ | ummm...yea | 19:55 |
| rick_h_ | so about the news | 19:55 |
| _stink_ | :P | 19:56 |
| jjesse | what news? | 19:56 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: news or no news...just curious | 19:56 |
| greg-g | news, complicated news | 19:56 |
| greg-g | uber short version: a no | 19:57 |
| jjesse | good complicated or bad complicated? or none of our business news | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | hmmm, well don't like the uber short version | 19:57 |
| greg-g | less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position? | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | did you get a name and address? Road trip! | 19:57 |
| _stink_ | well, that's good. | 19:57 |
| greg-g | haha | 19:57 |
| _stink_ | greg-g: do you like the other position? | 19:57 |
| greg-g | yeah, the best rejection I could have gotten really | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: ok, that's cool. Other position isn't janitor right? | 19:57 |
| greg-g | meh | 19:57 |
| _stink_ | heh | 19:57 |
| greg-g | haha | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | well I mean it wasn't an insulting no | 19:58 |
| greg-g | so, the other position is more dev than I want, but the guy who I was referred to is also hiring for a position that I do like, so when I chat with him, I'll work my magic | 19:58 |
| rick_h_ | "we really like you, how about you come make fries for a bit and we'll see where we can fit you in" | 19:58 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:58 |
| _stink_ | that's the sort of thing where in like 3 years they surprise you with an offer that's really nice. | 19:58 |
| jjesse | mmmmmm fries | 19:58 |
| _stink_ | or, based on that, << 3 years. | 19:58 |
| rick_h_ | more dev than you like? How is that possible? | 19:58 |
| * rick_h_ doesn't compute that bit | 19:59 | |
| rick_h_ | :P | 19:59 |
| greg-g | haha, yeah | 19:59 |
| rick_h_ | well ok, so that's still kind of cool, but not as cool | 19:59 |
| greg-g | but apparently, my skill level is higher than most of the people who have already applied for that position (my skill level being low) | 19:59 |
| greg-g | yeah | 19:59 |
| greg-g | still working my way in :) | 19:59 |
| greg-g | maybe | 19:59 |
| rick_h_ | in the door is 90% right | 19:59 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That's awesome! | 19:59 |
| snap-l | At least it isn't a "no, go away, and lose this number" | 20:00 |
| greg-g | no kidding | 20:00 |
| snap-l | I hate those | 20:00 |
| greg-g | made me feel sad and nice at the same time | 20:00 |
| rick_h_ | that's kind of funny that you've got more dev exp than the CA applying people | 20:00 |
| rick_h_ | I thought great devs were falling out of trees if you're in CA | 20:01 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 20:01 |
| brousch | wait, what did i miss? | 20:01 |
| jjesse | <greg-g> less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position? | 20:01 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: the coolest best thing ever...but too late | 20:01 |
| brousch | i disconnected for like 13 seconds | 20:01 |
| rick_h_ | yea, too bad | 20:01 |
| snap-l | It's gotta be hanging out with rick_h_ | 20:01 |
| rick_h_ | so I missed that reference | 20:02 |
| rick_h_ | probably better that way | 20:02 |
| rick_h_ | man I have the monday's today | 20:02 |
| snap-l | "We just thought you were a poor schlub, but you know the true power of VI. I must speak with the master at once!" | 20:02 |
| snap-l | "Master, it is THE ONE that was prophesised" | 20:03 |
| snap-l | "He comes to us seeking employment as a mere community manager, but he knows too much" | 20:03 |
| snap-l | "his eyes sparkle as one who knows the true path to enlightenment" | 20:04 |
| snap-l | "I have waited many years for this. It is truly a sign. We had a place for THE ONE, but it was shuffled away during the last reo-org. We shall indeed make a place for 'the one'" | 20:05 |
| brousch | "his beard bristles with boundless knowledge, each hair represents a hard-won fiber of The Truth" | 20:05 |
| snap-l | Why is it that book publishers that should know better don't have eBooks? | 20:17 |
| brousch | they want to die | 20:22 |
| brousch | interesting. vbox 4.0.5 guest additions pre-release for natty http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads | 20:23 |
| brousch | maybe this will fix unity in vbox | 20:23 |
| jjesse | yay | 20:26 |
| brousch | omg it worked | 20:47 |
| brousch | i have unity in a vbox vm | 20:48 |
| jjesse | yay | 20:50 |
| brousch | greg-g: how about github? http://jobs.github.com/positions/3dbea538-6575-11e0-8264-7c5c81f937a2 | 20:50 |
| brousch | jjesse: i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or foreal | 20:50 |
| jjesse | foreal | 20:50 |
| jjesse | i've been fighting vbox and natty for a long time | 20:50 |
| jjesse | makes hard to document when you keep having display problems | 20:51 |
| brousch | for some reason i had to mount that iso manually | 20:51 |
| jjesse | i'm thinking about spending the weekend reloading my laptop, might just go to natty | 20:52 |
| brousch | then ran 'sudo /media/cdrom1/aurorun.sh' | 20:52 |
| jjesse | aurorun? is that some harry potter command? | 20:52 |
| brousch | indeed, it is magic | 20:53 |
| jjesse | summon the aurors from azkaban | 20:53 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: damn, you beat me to it | 21:03 |
| rick_h_ | just saw that on twitter | 21:03 |
| brousch | saw what? | 21:05 |
| brousch | oh, the github thing? | 21:05 |
| rick_h_ | yea, the github community mananger opening | 21:05 |
| brousch | ur tubez r 2 slow | 21:05 |
| rick_h_ | doh! | 21:05 |
| rick_h_ | what I get for driving | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | I should keep myself parked in front of my laptop | 21:06 |
| brousch | hootsuite brings the tubes to me everywhre | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | yes, but I don't think it does the irc to greg-g | 21:07 |
| rick_h_ | that took me stopping at the coffeeshop | 21:07 |
| snap-l | That would be the one "blah blah is a githubber" message that would be woth the subscription. :) | 21:09 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | so guess we need to check out greg-g's ruby is these days | 21:10 |
| snap-l | and natty is flakey | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | we're just now stating that? | 21:11 |
| snap-l | But that's while running compiz on the host machine | 21:11 |
| snap-l | I meant in a VM | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | ah | 21:12 |
| snap-l | Bah, and gnome-settings-daemon kees crashing | 21:12 |
| brousch | it's stable so far, but my host is my mbp | 21:15 |
| brousch | shadow under the top panel is acting funny | 21:17 |
| snap-l | Wordpress.com had a major security brea, btw | 21:18 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, pasted that earlier. Concensus is that bmark.us will be next high priority target | 21:19 |
| snap-l | ;) | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | bah, I shold have brought hedaphones | 21:20 |
| snap-l | caribou noisy? | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | yea, and getting busier | 21:21 |
| rick_h_ | this is the one on 16mi though | 21:21 |
| snap-l | Ah, OK | 21:21 |
| snap-l | If you want to drop down, I can loan you some headphones | 21:21 |
| snap-l | though that'll likely defeat the purpose | 21:21 |
| rick_h_ | heh, naw all good. | 21:22 |
| rick_h_ | just whining as I'm apt to do | 21:22 |
| rick_h_ | heh, let's see if I can get kicked off the network here by trying to readable my whole install now | 21:23 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/gp66n/nokia_laying_off_up_to_6000_staff_and_all_the/ | 21:43 |
| snap-l | Ouch | 21:43 |
| snap-l | http://www.qconbeijing.com/download/Gavin%20keynote.pdf | 21:47 |
| snap-l | Apparently the new hotness is to put stuff on the JVM other than Java | 21:47 |
| rick_h_ | man, always suprises me how many people have their ringtone the thme song from american beauty | 21:48 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't think I've heard that | 21:49 |
| snap-l | I don't remember the theme | 21:52 |
| greg-g | brousch: huh, do you know when that was posted? | 21:53 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: just saw it shared on twitter today | 21:53 |
| rick_h_ | and that was from the github twitter account | 21:53 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: cool | 21:54 |
| greg-g | tbh, this is what I'm hoping to weasel my way into: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Fellowship_Program | 21:55 |
| rick_h_ | nice! | 21:56 |
| snap-l | Gah, afternoon confernce calls are the worst | 22:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | a car crash would be worse. | 22:12 |
| snap-l | I meant of the genus conferencus callus | 22:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | a conference call to discuss it later would be worse. | 22:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | >_> | 22:13 |
| * ColonelPanic001 ducks | 22:13 | |
| * waldo323_ most likely will miss CHC tonight due to name on plane flight needs to be fixed problem :( | 22:13 | |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: This WAS a conference call to continue a conference call on MOnday | 22:13 |
| waldo323_ | ick | 22:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | lolz, that's pretty annoying, you're right there | 22:14 |
| snap-l | waldo323_: Ugh | 22:14 |
| jcastro | OMG | 22:14 |
| jcastro | $2 oberons at ignite tomorrow | 22:14 |
| snap-l | I feel sluggish today. | 22:15 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: +1 | 22:15 |
| snap-l | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/e791/?cpg=157H&image | 22:16 |
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