[01:54] how's MUG? [01:54] guess it's almost done...too late [03:44] rick_h_: MUG was good. No internet connection though :( [04:01] howdy. [13:06] this sucks for half of the people using a 5 year old computer https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/741930/comments/5 [13:10] same bug for nvidia-173 legacy drivers [13:14] You could be like the current state of my intel [13:14] and just crash every 2 hours [13:14] would that be better? [13:14] =P [13:15] at least you get to use unity for 2 hours at a stretch ... [13:16] I like how we break, fix, break, break, fix in our release cycles [13:17] My formerly rock-solid Ubuntu is now unreliabel and flakey at best =( [13:17] reliable* [13:17] beta [13:17] This close to launch I am not inclined to accept that as excuse [13:17] if you want solid, don't upgrade until 3 months after release [13:18] There is an inherent problem in that statement [13:18] in that it says its okay to release things lacking in quality [13:18] =P [13:19] everybody does it [13:19] microsoft started it [13:19] ....!!!!! [13:19] * tjagoda explodes [13:19] everyone knows you don't install MS until SP1 is out [13:20] if MS does it, that makes it OK for everyone else [13:20] This reasoning is flawed [13:20] If MS makes shit, it should not mean that everybody else should therefore make shit [13:20] it means they make shit and I don't want to use it [13:20] non-shit should be the goal! [13:20] =P [13:21] obviously that is impossible [13:21] 7.04 happened [13:21] you end up with red hat, who releases software that's 2 year out of date so it's stable [13:22] it is not impossible [13:22] 7.04 was the last ubuntu that delivered new features while still remaning solid for me =( [13:34] sometimes I just love being able to view the code to figure out how the heck to do something, or how to call methods, etc [13:34] but dammit, when the code makes no sense, it's worse than the lack of docs ugh [13:35] tomorrow is kernel and release freeze day [13:36] They then have 7 days until they build the release image [13:36] tjagoda: Which means you'll have a more stable system soon if you file bugs. ;) [13:36] otherwise quitcherbitchin' [13:36] I have been, thank you =( [13:36] On the plus side, I have the Ubuntu One Music store again [13:37] Even a minor unity one where libreoffice close/min/max buttons do not appear when you launch from files versus launching from the launcher [13:37] (under Rhythmbox. Did an uninstall of the old plugin, and an install of the new plugin) [13:38] was version 0.1.8, now version 0.0.9 [13:38] Thank you, screwy numbering conventions. [13:38] Wait [13:38] tjagoda: Are you sure the problem isn't with your video drivers? [13:38] That's sounding an awful lot like video problems. [13:39] I am absolutely certain that my video drivers do not make only three buttons appear or disappear based on how I launch the program [13:39] It's inside libreoffice [13:39] happens nowhere else [13:42] Are there any changes in libreoffice apart from the name, btw? [13:43] I didn't notice much different, but I didn't look very hard [13:45] tjagoda: You should notice more as more release come forth [13:45] mostly it's the ability to accept patches [13:48] Mostly just organizational changes then? [13:55] tjagoda: Well, there's also a few patches that didn't get accepted into Open Office for one reason or another [13:55] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ [13:56] Stuff like "Import of Microsoft Works documents" [13:57] Many Wordperfect import improvements* [14:00] WORD PRO IMPORT FILTER! [14:00] WWOOOOOHOOOO! [14:00] LOTUS BABY! [14:00] lotus 123? [14:00] We still use Lotus Approach in some DB's here [14:00] I have like 40 licenses of the Lotus Smart Suite [14:00] if it can open lotus 123 spreadsheets i will kiss somebody [14:02] They do not explicity mention it === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [14:07] damnit. our lotus is too old [14:07] ugh [14:07] heh "dammit, we have lotus" [14:07] had to correct that for you :) [14:09] i'm way beyond that [14:10] lotus 123 R 4. comes on 4 floppies [14:10] damn thing still runs in win7 [14:11] sorry, 1-2-3 Release 5 for Windows [14:11] copyright 1991, 1994 [14:12] how does the Nook compare to the Kindle? Thoughts? [14:13] nook color can easily become a real android tablet [14:14] that's +++ in my book [14:14] http://www.woot.com/ [14:14] is why I ask [14:14] ah [14:14] I say crap, but I know a couple of people that like their nooks [14:14] why's that [14:14] ? [14:14] I've not been able to check with them on if they've used a kindle [14:15] when I tried one in the store the software was horrible, bad usability, hung up on me, had to reset it [14:15] ah [14:15] the dual screen thing I found distracting [14:15] now, they've made some software updates over time [14:15] I'm still leaning towards waiting on ereaders anyway, for the moment [14:15] so maybe it's better [14:15] i have friends who like their nook [14:15] though, they're getting cheap enough for me to probably do it soon [14:15] but I find the kindle better hardware, battery life, and I already buy most of my bookis via amazon [14:16] how's the DRMness? [14:16] brousch: but any that can compare nook v kindle? That's what I'm looking for [14:16] of the nook? it's drm-y, but it does to epub I think so that's a win if you get your books from other sources [14:16] and kindle doesn't :( [14:17] of either, I suppose. I just like the idea of getting the books with as little DRM as possible, rather than "rent them until they take them back", etc [14:17] especially since ebooks are often not that much cheaper anyway, seems [14:17] Any eBook reader is DRMy. [14:18] equally, though? [14:18] i think the drm depends more on where you buy it than on what you run it [14:18] brousch: ++ [14:18] where you buy the book [14:18] ah. noted' [14:18] or "acquire" the book [14:18] ColonelPanic001: If you want the DRM books, buy a device that handles wirless and shopping on the device [14:19] The Kobo that I bought handles it that way, and I would be hard-pressed to notice the DRM [14:19] That said, I have two books that I bought that way. [14:19] If you use the PC client, it's a miserable experience. [14:19] heh [14:40] rick_h_: Nice... so Natty is shipping with a busticated pyopenssh? [14:41] I love too that the folks that we're working with to solve the Java "Null Pointer Exception" issue are blaming my script for sending something malformed [14:42] Which might be true, but it's also true of someone elses' Perl program [14:42] Which leads me to believe that it might not just be our code that's faulty. [14:45] snap-l: wheeeee [14:47] Yeah, isn't that the first step in debugging: blame the OS [14:48] i thought that was only if you're running windows [14:48] (literally had a VB coder tell me that the OS was faulty because his code was crashing [15:51] snap-l: http://www.teefury.com/ [15:51] also, any other old school gamers ^^ [15:52] heh [16:39] i am demoing natty next thursday at wmlug. should i use the tablet with broken nvidia drivers, the netbook with broken wifi drivers, or a virtual machine running on my mac? [16:40] brousch: Tough call. :) [16:41] we'll see how the virtualbox vm works. if it fails unity i'll try to scrounge up a laptop with working drivers [16:46] so sad [16:47] yeah, the worst part is i like it and am excitd about it [16:49] i might have a usb wifi dongle i could use on the netbook [16:53] netbook with a wire? [16:54] i haven't presented at this location. there will probably be ethernet, but i can't assume it right now [16:55] crap. the last presenter had trouble with the projector in linux [16:55] sounds like i need to make a trip out there beforehand [17:11] ugh, 2.5hrs down the drain debugging stupid IE css bugs with absolute positioned crap [17:35] if anyone is looking for a job Urban Science has openings. beware... it's 99% Microsoft [17:35] https://careers-urbanscience.icims.com/jobs/intro [17:39] I wonder if the Circus is hiring, because right now I want to run away and join it [17:42] snap-l: ruh roh [17:43] Java and I have irreconcilable differences [17:58] snap-l: time to lawyer up...who's going to get the laptop in the split? [18:00] <_stink_> i think that pre-nup you agreed to by clicking 'Next' is gonna be a tough o ne [18:00] oooh, good cap [18:00] /cap/call [18:11] I wish I could access my Safari account (via the ACM) through the Kindle for Android app [18:11] * ColonelPanic001 daydreams [18:13] I guess I could do it via a browser, but online online as far as I know, etc. meh, good enough [18:14] ColonelPanic001: yea, if I could get safari access on the kindle I'd subscribe today [18:15] but then there's little desire to buy the books, just subscribe [18:15] yeah. [18:16] what did java do to you? [18:17] "bend over user..." [18:17] user? [18:17] tron [18:17] the virus that is the win32 installer? [18:17] sorry, have a strange thing going today, part monday's, part just out of it [18:24] heh [18:31] http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/13/hacker-gains-access-to-wordpress-com-servers/ [18:31] so who's getting hacked next [18:34] bmark.us [18:34] woo! [18:38] lol [18:59] lol, jrwren what did you get called a fanboi for? [19:03] i declare ubuntu 10.04 the ubuntu developer edition. it's so easy to get it up and running and it's just like your deploy environment [19:03] i'm watching the mix keynote. [19:04] brousch: so LTS == dev edition? [19:05] sounds good to me [19:05] i really miss apt-get when i work in osx [19:06] #1 reason to not use osx [19:14] oh awesome, pydev is now included with aptana 3 [19:14] no need to install it seperately [19:31] snap-l: you guys going to Ignite tomorrow? [19:34] I have tickets, but I'm thinking I'll pass [19:35] rick_h_: You planning on going? [19:35] yea, we've got babysitter and all [19:35] so we're a bit more dedicated lol [19:35] Ah, very cool [19:35] Apparently. ;) [19:36] well, when we leave the house it takes us a bit more planning/commitment [19:36] rick_h_: cool man, I bet jcastro will be there. carrie and i are about 50/50 at this point [19:36] cool [19:40] there's going to be like 1000 people there this time [19:40] we should go! [19:47] I sent JoDee some of the particulars. She might be interested in going [19:52] greg-g: you guys should come, haven't seen carrie since ... the wedding? that can't be right. [19:54] geez, uh, maybe! [19:55] greg-g: any word yet from put west? [19:55] /put/out [19:55] <_stink_> .. [19:55] ummm...yea [19:55] so about the news [19:56] <_stink_> :P [19:56] what news? [19:56] greg-g: news or no news...just curious [19:56] news, complicated news [19:57] uber short version: a no [19:57] good complicated or bad complicated? or none of our business news [19:57] hmmm, well don't like the uber short version [19:57] less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position? [19:57] did you get a name and address? Road trip! [19:57] <_stink_> well, that's good. [19:57] haha [19:57] <_stink_> greg-g: do you like the other position? [19:57] yeah, the best rejection I could have gotten really [19:57] greg-g: ok, that's cool. Other position isn't janitor right? [19:57] meh [19:57] <_stink_> heh [19:57] haha [19:58] well I mean it wasn't an insulting no [19:58] so, the other position is more dev than I want, but the guy who I was referred to is also hiring for a position that I do like, so when I chat with him, I'll work my magic [19:58] "we really like you, how about you come make fries for a bit and we'll see where we can fit you in" [19:58] :) [19:58] <_stink_> that's the sort of thing where in like 3 years they surprise you with an offer that's really nice. [19:58] mmmmmm fries [19:58] <_stink_> or, based on that, << 3 years. [19:58] more dev than you like? How is that possible? [19:59] * rick_h_ doesn't compute that bit [19:59] :P [19:59] haha, yeah [19:59] well ok, so that's still kind of cool, but not as cool [19:59] but apparently, my skill level is higher than most of the people who have already applied for that position (my skill level being low) [19:59] yeah [19:59] still working my way in :) [19:59] maybe [19:59] in the door is 90% right [19:59] greg-g: That's awesome! [20:00] At least it isn't a "no, go away, and lose this number" [20:00] no kidding [20:00] I hate those [20:00] made me feel sad and nice at the same time [20:00] that's kind of funny that you've got more dev exp than the CA applying people [20:01] I thought great devs were falling out of trees if you're in CA [20:01] :P [20:01] wait, what did i miss? [20:01]

less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position? [20:01] brousch: the coolest best thing ever...but too late [20:01] i disconnected for like 13 seconds [20:01] yea, too bad [20:01] It's gotta be hanging out with rick_h_ [20:02] so I missed that reference [20:02] probably better that way [20:02] man I have the monday's today [20:02] "We just thought you were a poor schlub, but you know the true power of VI. I must speak with the master at once!" [20:03] "Master, it is THE ONE that was prophesised" [20:03] "He comes to us seeking employment as a mere community manager, but he knows too much" [20:04] "his eyes sparkle as one who knows the true path to enlightenment" [20:05] "I have waited many years for this. It is truly a sign. We had a place for THE ONE, but it was shuffled away during the last reo-org. We shall indeed make a place for 'the one'" [20:05] "his beard bristles with boundless knowledge, each hair represents a hard-won fiber of The Truth" [20:17] Why is it that book publishers that should know better don't have eBooks? [20:22] they want to die [20:23] interesting. vbox 4.0.5 guest additions pre-release for natty http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads [20:23] maybe this will fix unity in vbox [20:26] yay [20:47] omg it worked [20:48] i have unity in a vbox vm [20:50] yay [20:50] greg-g: how about github? http://jobs.github.com/positions/3dbea538-6575-11e0-8264-7c5c81f937a2 [20:50] jjesse: i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or foreal [20:50] foreal [20:50] i've been fighting vbox and natty for a long time [20:51] makes hard to document when you keep having display problems [20:51] for some reason i had to mount that iso manually [20:52] i'm thinking about spending the weekend reloading my laptop, might just go to natty [20:52] then ran 'sudo /media/cdrom1/aurorun.sh' [20:52] aurorun? is that some harry potter command? [20:53] indeed, it is magic [20:53] summon the aurors from azkaban [21:03] brousch: damn, you beat me to it [21:03] just saw that on twitter [21:05] saw what? [21:05] oh, the github thing? [21:05] yea, the github community mananger opening [21:05] ur tubez r 2 slow [21:05] doh! [21:06] what I get for driving [21:06] I should keep myself parked in front of my laptop [21:06] hootsuite brings the tubes to me everywhre [21:07] yes, but I don't think it does the irc to greg-g [21:07] that took me stopping at the coffeeshop [21:09] That would be the one "blah blah is a githubber" message that would be woth the subscription. :) [21:10] lol [21:10] so guess we need to check out greg-g's ruby is these days [21:10] and natty is flakey [21:11] we're just now stating that? [21:11] But that's while running compiz on the host machine [21:11] I meant in a VM [21:12] ah [21:12] Bah, and gnome-settings-daemon kees crashing [21:15] it's stable so far, but my host is my mbp [21:17] shadow under the top panel is acting funny [21:18] Wordpress.com had a major security brea, btw [21:19] snap-l: yea, pasted that earlier. Concensus is that bmark.us will be next high priority target [21:19] ;) [21:20] bah, I shold have brought hedaphones [21:20] caribou noisy? [21:21] yea, and getting busier [21:21] this is the one on 16mi though [21:21] Ah, OK [21:21] If you want to drop down, I can loan you some headphones [21:21] though that'll likely defeat the purpose [21:22] heh, naw all good. [21:22] just whining as I'm apt to do [21:23] heh, let's see if I can get kicked off the network here by trying to readable my whole install now [21:43] http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/gp66n/nokia_laying_off_up_to_6000_staff_and_all_the/ [21:43] Ouch [21:47] http://www.qconbeijing.com/download/Gavin%20keynote.pdf [21:47] Apparently the new hotness is to put stuff on the JVM other than Java [21:48] man, always suprises me how many people have their ringtone the thme song from american beauty [21:49] I don't think I've heard that [21:52] I don't remember the theme [21:53] brousch: huh, do you know when that was posted? [21:53] greg-g: just saw it shared on twitter today [21:53] and that was from the github twitter account [21:54] rick_h_: cool [21:55] tbh, this is what I'm hoping to weasel my way into: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Fellowship_Program [21:56] nice! [22:12] Gah, afternoon confernce calls are the worst [22:12] a car crash would be worse. [22:13] I meant of the genus conferencus callus [22:13] a conference call to discuss it later would be worse. [22:13] >_> [22:13] * ColonelPanic001 ducks [22:13] * waldo323_ most likely will miss CHC tonight due to name on plane flight needs to be fixed problem :( [22:13] ColonelPanic001: This WAS a conference call to continue a conference call on MOnday [22:14] ick [22:14] lolz, that's pretty annoying, you're right there [22:14] waldo323_: Ugh [22:14] OMG [22:14] $2 oberons at ignite tomorrow [22:15] I feel sluggish today. [22:15] snap-l: +1 [22:16] http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/e791/?cpg=157H&image === PainBank_ is now known as PainBank