[01:54] <rick_h_> how's MUG?
[01:54] <rick_h_> guess it's almost done...too late
[03:44] <Blazeix> rick_h_: MUG was good. No internet connection though :(
[04:01] <snap-l> howdy.
[13:06] <brousch> this sucks for half of the people using a 5 year old computer https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/741930/comments/5
[13:10] <brousch> same bug for nvidia-173 legacy drivers
[13:14] <tjagoda> You could be like the current state of my intel
[13:14] <tjagoda> and just crash every 2 hours
[13:14] <tjagoda> would that be better?
[13:14] <tjagoda> =P
[13:15] <brousch> at least you get to use unity for 2 hours at a stretch ...
[13:16] <tjagoda> I like how we break, fix, break, break, fix in our release cycles
[13:17] <tjagoda> My formerly rock-solid Ubuntu is now unreliabel and flakey at best =(
[13:17] <tjagoda> reliable*
[13:17] <brousch> beta
[13:17] <tjagoda> This close to launch I am not inclined to accept that as excuse
[13:17] <brousch> if you want solid, don't upgrade until 3 months after release
[13:18] <tjagoda> There is an inherent problem in that statement
[13:18] <tjagoda> in that it says its okay to release things lacking in quality
[13:18] <tjagoda> =P
[13:19] <brousch> everybody does it
[13:19] <brousch> microsoft started it
[13:19] <tjagoda> ....!!!!!
[13:19]  * tjagoda explodes
[13:19] <brousch> everyone knows you don't install MS until SP1 is out
[13:20] <brousch> if MS does it, that makes it OK for everyone else
[13:20] <tjagoda> This reasoning is flawed
[13:20] <tjagoda> If MS makes shit, it should not mean that everybody else should therefore make shit
[13:20] <tjagoda> it means they make shit and I don't want to use it
[13:20] <tjagoda> non-shit should be the goal!
[13:20] <tjagoda> =P
[13:21] <brousch> obviously that is impossible
[13:21] <tjagoda> 7.04 happened
[13:21] <brousch> you end up with red hat, who releases software that's 2 year out of date so it's stable
[13:22] <tjagoda> it is not impossible
[13:22] <tjagoda> 7.04 was the last ubuntu that delivered new features while still remaning solid for me =(
[13:34] <rick_h_> sometimes I just love being able to view the code to figure out how the heck to do something, or how to call methods, etc
[13:34] <rick_h_> but dammit, when the code makes no sense, it's worse than the lack of docs ugh
[13:35] <tjagoda> tomorrow is kernel and release freeze day
[13:36] <tjagoda> They then have 7 days until they build the release image
[13:36] <snap-l> tjagoda: Which means you'll have a more stable system soon if you file bugs. ;)
[13:36] <snap-l> otherwise quitcherbitchin'
[13:36] <tjagoda> I have been, thank you =(
[13:36] <snap-l> On the plus side, I have the Ubuntu One Music store again
[13:37] <tjagoda> Even a minor unity one where libreoffice close/min/max buttons do not appear when you launch from files versus launching from the launcher
[13:37] <snap-l> (under Rhythmbox. Did an uninstall of the old plugin, and an install of the new plugin)
[13:38] <snap-l> was version 0.1.8, now version 0.0.9
[13:38] <snap-l> Thank you, screwy numbering conventions.
[13:38] <tjagoda> Wait
[13:38] <snap-l> tjagoda: Are you sure the problem isn't with your video drivers?
[13:38] <snap-l> That's sounding an awful lot like video problems.
[13:39] <tjagoda> I am absolutely certain that my video drivers do not make only three buttons appear or disappear based on how I launch the program
[13:39] <tjagoda> It's inside libreoffice
[13:39] <tjagoda> happens nowhere else
[13:42] <tjagoda> Are there any changes in libreoffice apart from the name, btw?
[13:43] <tjagoda> I didn't notice much different, but I didn't look very hard
[13:45] <snap-l> tjagoda: You should notice more as more release  come forth
[13:45] <snap-l> mostly it's the ability to accept patches
[13:48] <tjagoda> Mostly just organizational changes then?
[13:55] <snap-l> tjagoda: Well, there's also a few patches that didn't get accepted into Open Office for one reason or another
[13:55] <snap-l> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/
[13:56] <snap-l> Stuff like "Import of Microsoft Works documents"
[13:57] <snap-l> Many Wordperfect import improvements*
[14:00] <tjagoda> WORD PRO IMPORT FILTER!
[14:00] <tjagoda> WWOOOOOHOOOO!
[14:00] <tjagoda> LOTUS BABY!
[14:00] <brousch> lotus 123?
[14:00] <tjagoda> We still use Lotus Approach in some DB's here
[14:00] <tjagoda> I have like 40 licenses of the Lotus Smart Suite
[14:00] <brousch> if it can open lotus 123 spreadsheets i will kiss somebody
[14:02] <tjagoda> They do not explicity mention it
[14:07] <brousch> damnit. our lotus is too old
[14:07] <snap-l> ugh
[14:07] <rick_h_> heh "dammit, we have lotus"
[14:07] <rick_h_> had to correct that for you :)
[14:09] <brousch> i'm way beyond that
[14:10] <brousch> lotus 123 R 4. comes on 4 floppies
[14:10] <brousch> damn thing still runs in win7
[14:11] <brousch> sorry, 1-2-3 Release 5 for Windows
[14:11] <brousch> copyright 1991, 1994
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> how does the Nook compare to the Kindle? Thoughts?
[14:13] <brousch> nook color can easily become a real android tablet
[14:14] <brousch> that's +++ in my book
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.woot.com/
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> is why I ask
[14:14] <brousch> ah
[14:14] <rick_h_> I say crap, but I know a couple of people that like their nooks
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> why's that
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> ?
[14:14] <rick_h_> I've not been able to check with them on if they've used a kindle
[14:15] <rick_h_> when I tried one in the store the software was horrible, bad usability, hung up on me, had to reset it
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> ah
[14:15] <rick_h_> the dual screen thing I found distracting
[14:15] <rick_h_> now, they've made some software updates over time
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> I'm still leaning towards waiting on ereaders anyway, for the moment
[14:15] <rick_h_> so maybe it's better
[14:15] <brousch> i have friends who like their nook
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> though, they're getting cheap enough for me to probably do it soon
[14:15] <rick_h_> but I find the kindle better hardware, battery life, and I already buy most of my bookis via amazon
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> how's the DRMness?
[14:16] <rick_h_> brousch: but any that can compare nook v kindle? That's what I'm looking for
[14:16] <rick_h_> of the nook? it's drm-y, but it does to epub I think so that's a win if you get your books from other sources
[14:16] <rick_h_> and kindle doesn't :(
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> of either, I suppose. I just like the idea of getting the books with as little DRM as possible, rather than "rent them until they take them back", etc
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> especially since ebooks are often not that much cheaper anyway, seems
[14:17] <snap-l> Any eBook reader is DRMy.
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> equally, though?
[14:18] <brousch> i think the drm depends more on where you buy it than on what you run it
[14:18] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[14:18] <brousch> where you buy the book
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> ah. noted'
[14:18] <brousch> or "acquire" the book
[14:18] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: If you want the DRM books, buy a device that handles wirless and shopping on the device
[14:19] <snap-l> The Kobo that I bought handles it that way, and I would be hard-pressed to notice the DRM
[14:19] <snap-l> That said, I have two books that I bought that way.
[14:19] <snap-l> If you use the PC client, it's a miserable experience.
[14:19] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[14:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: Nice... so Natty is shipping with a busticated pyopenssh?
[14:41] <snap-l> I love too that the folks that we're working with to solve the Java "Null Pointer Exception" issue are blaming my script for sending something malformed
[14:42] <snap-l> Which might be true, but it's also true of someone elses' Perl program
[14:42] <snap-l> Which leads me to believe that it might not just be our code that's faulty.
[14:45] <rick_h_> snap-l: wheeeee
[14:47] <snap-l> Yeah, isn't that the first step in debugging: blame the OS
[14:48] <brousch> i thought that was only if you're running windows
[14:48] <snap-l> (literally had a VB coder tell me that the OS was faulty because his code was crashing
[15:51] <wolfger> snap-l: http://www.teefury.com/
[15:51] <wolfger> also, any other old school gamers ^^
[15:52] <snap-l> heh
[16:39] <brousch> i am demoing natty next thursday at wmlug. should i use the tablet with broken nvidia drivers, the netbook with broken wifi drivers, or a virtual machine running on my mac?
[16:40] <snap-l> brousch: Tough call. :)
[16:41] <brousch> we'll see how the virtualbox vm works. if it fails unity i'll try to scrounge up a laptop with working drivers
[16:46] <greg-g> so sad
[16:47] <brousch> yeah, the worst part is i like it and am excitd about it
[16:49] <brousch> i might have a usb wifi dongle i could use on the netbook
[16:53] <wolfger> netbook with a wire?
[16:54] <brousch> i haven't presented at this location. there will probably be ethernet, but i can't assume it right now
[16:55] <brousch> crap. the last presenter had trouble with the projector in linux
[16:55] <brousch> sounds like i need to make a trip out there beforehand
[17:11] <rick_h_> ugh, 2.5hrs down the drain debugging stupid IE css bugs with absolute positioned crap
[17:35] <windows_> if anyone is looking for a job Urban Science has openings. beware... it's 99% Microsoft
[17:35] <windows_> https://careers-urbanscience.icims.com/jobs/intro
[17:39] <snap-l> I wonder if the Circus is hiring, because right now I want to run away and join it
[17:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: ruh roh
[17:43] <snap-l> Java and I have irreconcilable differences
[17:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: time to lawyer up...who's going to get the laptop in the split?
[18:00] <_stink_> i think that pre-nup you agreed to by clicking 'Next' is gonna be a tough o ne
[18:00] <rick_h_> oooh, good cap
[18:00] <rick_h_> /cap/call
[18:11] <ColonelPanic001> I wish I could access my Safari account (via the ACM) through the Kindle for Android app
[18:11]  * ColonelPanic001 daydreams
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001> I guess I could do it via a browser, but online online as far as I know, etc. meh, good enough
[18:14] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: yea, if I could get safari access on the kindle I'd subscribe today
[18:15] <rick_h_> but then there's little desire to buy the books, just subscribe
[18:15] <ColonelPanic001> yeah.
[18:16] <jrwren> what did java do to you?
[18:17] <rick_h_> "bend over user..."
[18:17] <jrwren> user?
[18:17] <rick_h_> tron
[18:17] <jrwren> the virus that is the win32 installer?
[18:17] <rick_h_> sorry, have a strange thing going today, part monday's, part just out of it
[18:24] <snap-l> heh
[18:31] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/13/hacker-gains-access-to-wordpress-com-servers/
[18:31] <rick_h_> so who's getting hacked next
[18:34] <brousch> bmark.us
[18:34] <rick_h_> woo!
[18:38] <jrwren> lol
[18:59] <rick_h_> lol, jrwren what did you get called a fanboi for?
[19:03] <brousch> i declare ubuntu 10.04 the ubuntu developer edition. it's so easy to get it up and running and it's just like your deploy environment
[19:03] <jrwren> i'm watching the mix keynote.
[19:04] <rick_h_> brousch: so LTS == dev edition?
[19:05] <brousch> sounds good to me
[19:05] <brousch> i really miss apt-get when i work in osx
[19:06] <rick_h_> #1 reason to not use osx
[19:14] <brousch> oh awesome, pydev is now included with aptana 3
[19:14] <brousch> no need to install it seperately
[19:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: you guys going to Ignite tomorrow?
[19:34] <snap-l> I have tickets, but I'm thinking I'll pass
[19:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: You planning on going?
[19:35] <rick_h_> yea, we've got babysitter and all
[19:35] <rick_h_> so we're a bit more dedicated lol
[19:35] <snap-l> Ah, very cool
[19:35] <snap-l> Apparently. ;)
[19:36] <rick_h_> well, when we leave the house it takes us a bit more planning/commitment
[19:36] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool man, I bet jcastro will be there. carrie and i are about 50/50 at this point
[19:36] <rick_h_> cool
[19:40] <jcastro> there's going to be like 1000 people there this time
[19:40] <jcastro> we should go!
[19:47] <snap-l> I sent JoDee some of the particulars. She might be interested in going
[19:52] <jcastro> greg-g: you guys should come, haven't seen carrie since ... the wedding? that can't be right.
[19:54] <greg-g> geez, uh, maybe!
[19:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: any word yet from put west?
[19:55] <rick_h_> /put/out
[19:55] <_stink_> ..
[19:55] <rick_h_> ummm...yea
[19:55] <rick_h_> so about the news
[19:56] <_stink_> :P
[19:56] <jjesse> what news?
[19:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: news or no news...just curious
[19:56] <greg-g> news, complicated news
[19:57] <greg-g> uber short version: a no
[19:57] <jjesse> good complicated or bad complicated? or none of our business news
[19:57] <rick_h_> hmmm, well don't like the uber short version
[19:57] <greg-g> less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position?
[19:57] <rick_h_> did you get a name and address? Road trip!
[19:57] <_stink_> well, that's good.
[19:57] <greg-g> haha
[19:57] <_stink_> greg-g: do you like the other position?
[19:57] <greg-g> yeah, the best rejection I could have gotten really
[19:57] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok, that's cool. Other position isn't janitor right?
[19:57] <greg-g> meh
[19:57] <_stink_> heh
[19:57] <greg-g> haha
[19:58] <rick_h_> well I mean it wasn't an insulting no
[19:58] <greg-g> so, the other position is more dev than I want, but the guy who I was referred to is also hiring for a position that I do like, so when I chat with him, I'll work my magic
[19:58] <rick_h_> "we really like you, how about you come make fries for a bit and we'll see where we can fit you in"
[19:58] <greg-g> :)
[19:58] <_stink_> that's the sort of thing where in like 3 years they surprise you with an offer that's really nice.
[19:58] <jjesse> mmmmmm fries
[19:58] <_stink_> or, based on that, << 3 years.
[19:58] <rick_h_> more dev than you like? How is that possible?
[19:59]  * rick_h_ doesn't compute that bit
[19:59] <rick_h_> :P
[19:59] <greg-g> haha, yeah
[19:59] <rick_h_> well ok, so that's still kind of cool, but not as cool
[19:59] <greg-g> but apparently, my skill level is higher than most of the people who have already applied for that position (my skill level being low)
[19:59] <greg-g> yeah
[19:59] <greg-g> still working my way in :)
[19:59] <greg-g> maybe
[19:59] <rick_h_> in the door is 90% right
[19:59] <snap-l> greg-g: That's awesome!
[20:00] <snap-l> At least it isn't a "no, go away, and lose this number"
[20:00] <greg-g> no kidding
[20:00] <snap-l> I hate those
[20:00] <greg-g> made me feel sad and nice at the same time
[20:00] <rick_h_> that's kind of funny that you've got more dev exp than the CA applying people
[20:01] <rick_h_> I thought great devs were falling out of trees if you're in CA
[20:01] <rick_h_> :P
[20:01] <brousch> wait, what did i miss?
 less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position?
[20:01] <rick_h_> brousch: the coolest best thing ever...but too late
[20:01] <brousch> i disconnected for like 13 seconds
[20:01] <rick_h_> yea, too bad
[20:01] <snap-l> It's gotta be hanging out with rick_h_
[20:02] <rick_h_> so I missed that reference
[20:02] <rick_h_> probably better that way
[20:02] <rick_h_> man I have the monday's today
[20:02] <snap-l> "We just thought you were a poor schlub, but you know the true power of VI. I must speak with the master at once!"
[20:03] <snap-l> "Master, it is THE ONE that was prophesised"
[20:03] <snap-l> "He comes to us seeking employment as a mere community manager, but he knows too much"
[20:04] <snap-l> "his eyes sparkle as one who knows the true path to enlightenment"
[20:05] <snap-l> "I have waited many years for this. It is truly a sign. We had a place for THE ONE, but it was shuffled away during the last reo-org. We shall indeed make a place for 'the one'"
[20:05] <brousch> "his beard bristles with boundless knowledge, each hair represents a hard-won fiber of The Truth"
[20:17] <snap-l> Why is it that book publishers that should know better don't have eBooks?
[20:22] <brousch> they want to die
[20:23] <brousch> interesting. vbox 4.0.5 guest additions pre-release for natty http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[20:23] <brousch> maybe this will fix unity in vbox
[20:26] <jjesse> yay
[20:47] <brousch> omg it worked
[20:48] <brousch> i have unity in a vbox vm
[20:50] <jjesse> yay
[20:50] <brousch> greg-g: how about github? http://jobs.github.com/positions/3dbea538-6575-11e0-8264-7c5c81f937a2
[20:50] <brousch> jjesse: i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or foreal
[20:50] <jjesse> foreal
[20:50] <jjesse> i've been fighting vbox and natty for a long time
[20:51] <jjesse> makes hard to document when you keep having display problems
[20:51] <brousch> for some reason i had to mount that iso manually
[20:52] <jjesse> i'm thinking about spending the weekend reloading my laptop, might just go to natty
[20:52] <brousch> then ran 'sudo /media/cdrom1/aurorun.sh'
[20:52] <jjesse> aurorun?  is that some harry potter command?
[20:53] <brousch> indeed, it is magic
[20:53] <jjesse> summon the aurors from azkaban
[21:03] <rick_h_> brousch: damn, you beat me to it
[21:03] <rick_h_> just saw that on twitter
[21:05] <brousch> saw what?
[21:05] <brousch> oh, the github thing?
[21:05] <rick_h_> yea, the github community mananger opening
[21:05] <brousch> ur tubez r 2 slow
[21:05] <rick_h_> doh!
[21:06] <rick_h_> what I get for driving
[21:06] <rick_h_> I should keep myself parked in front of my laptop
[21:06] <brousch> hootsuite brings the tubes to me everywhre
[21:07] <rick_h_> yes, but I don't think it does the irc to greg-g
[21:07] <rick_h_> that took me stopping at the coffeeshop
[21:09] <snap-l> That would be the one "blah blah is a githubber" message that would be woth the subscription. :)
[21:10] <rick_h_> lol
[21:10] <rick_h_> so guess we need to check out greg-g's ruby is these days
[21:10] <snap-l> and natty is flakey
[21:11] <rick_h_> we're just now stating that?
[21:11] <snap-l> But that's while running compiz on the host machine
[21:11] <snap-l> I meant in a VM
[21:12] <rick_h_> ah
[21:12] <snap-l> Bah, and gnome-settings-daemon kees crashing
[21:15] <brousch> it's stable so far, but my host is my mbp
[21:17] <brousch> shadow under the top panel is acting funny
[21:18] <snap-l> Wordpress.com had a major security brea, btw
[21:19] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, pasted that earlier. Concensus is that bmark.us will be next high priority target
[21:19] <snap-l> ;)
[21:20] <rick_h_> bah, I shold have brought hedaphones
[21:20] <snap-l> caribou noisy?
[21:21] <rick_h_> yea, and getting busier
[21:21] <rick_h_> this is the one on 16mi though
[21:21] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[21:21] <snap-l> If you want to drop down, I can loan you some headphones
[21:21] <snap-l> though that'll likely defeat the purpose
[21:22] <rick_h_> heh, naw all good.
[21:22] <rick_h_> just whining as I'm apt to do
[21:23] <rick_h_> heh, let's see if I can get kicked off the network here by trying to readable my whole install now
[21:43] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/gp66n/nokia_laying_off_up_to_6000_staff_and_all_the/
[21:43] <snap-l> Ouch
[21:47] <snap-l> http://www.qconbeijing.com/download/Gavin%20keynote.pdf
[21:47] <snap-l> Apparently the new hotness is to put stuff on the JVM other than Java
[21:48] <rick_h_> man, always suprises me how many people have their ringtone the thme song from american beauty
[21:49] <ColonelPanic001> I don't think I've heard that
[21:52] <snap-l> I don't remember the theme
[21:53] <greg-g> brousch: huh, do you know when that was posted?
[21:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: just saw it shared on twitter today
[21:53] <rick_h_> and that was from the github twitter account
[21:54] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool
[21:55] <greg-g> tbh, this is what I'm hoping to weasel my way into: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Fellowship_Program
[21:56] <rick_h_> nice!
[22:12] <snap-l> Gah, afternoon confernce calls are the worst
[22:12] <ColonelPanic001> a car crash would be worse.
[22:13] <snap-l> I meant of the genus conferencus callus
[22:13] <ColonelPanic001> a conference call to discuss it later would be worse.
[22:13] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[22:13]  * ColonelPanic001 ducks
[22:13]  * waldo323_ most likely will miss CHC tonight due to name on plane flight needs to be fixed problem :(
[22:13] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: This WAS a conference call to continue a conference call on MOnday
[22:14] <waldo323_> ick
[22:14] <ColonelPanic001> lolz, that's pretty annoying, you're right there
[22:14] <snap-l> waldo323_: Ugh
[22:14] <jcastro> OMG
[22:14] <jcastro> $2 oberons at ignite tomorrow
[22:15] <snap-l> I feel sluggish today.
[22:15] <rick_h_> snap-l: +1
[22:16] <snap-l> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/e791/?cpg=157H&image