[00:00] <BiosElement> Bleh, PHP has it's own weird standards.
[00:00]  * dmcglone1 throws hand grenade in flame shelter
[00:00]  * dmcglone1 says that should show him just how secure PHP really is
[00:00] <dmcglone1> ;-)
[00:01]  * dmcglone1 says: it's not the language it's the user
[00:01] <Unit193> You should change your nick to BiosElemental for a war...
[00:02] <dmcglone1> how do you change your nick on the fly anyhow?
[00:02] <BiosElement> Heh, when the language has dozens of security bugs in the best f/oss software around, I blame the language. :P
[00:02] <BiosElementEvilT> I changed to bioselementeviltwin
[00:02] <BiosElement> >.>
[00:04] <dmcglone> I keep forgetting what >.> is!!!
[00:04] <Unit193> dmcglone: You also changed it in #cubecreate
[00:04] <dmcglone> man I'm getting too old for these crazy mind games ;-)
[00:05] <dmcglone> that should have happened
[00:06] <dmcglone> I got an alias so over here I don't see the change :-/
[00:06]  * Unit193 has too many open channels
[00:07] <dmcglone> well make sure you keep the porn channels open
[00:07] <dmcglone> ;-)
[00:08] <BiosElement> hah
[00:08] <Unit193> Well... #xubuntu has an X in it... does that count? ;)
[00:08] <dmcglone> nope, it's gotta have 3 x's
[00:08] <dmcglone> haha
[00:09] <Unit193> I have 3 Xubuntu channels open (support, dev and offtopic)
[00:10] <dmcglone> well I guess that'll do haha
[00:10] <dmcglone> is the picture fuzzy or broken up?
[00:10] <dmcglone> ;-)
[00:20] <TheErk> Ho to tha la.
[00:43] <dmcglone> Ho to tha la back at ya
[00:46] <Unit193> Hello TheErk
[00:48] <TheErk> Mr Unit Sir.  How are you?
[00:49] <Unit193> Sir? Fine I guess... you?
[00:54] <TheErk> I am fantastical thank you for inquiring.
[01:39] <dmcglone> I'm trying to find something to do!!!
[01:39] <dmcglone> I want to write some code but I keep procrastinating badly
[01:40] <dmcglone> dang I'm just lazy!!
[01:46] <BiosElement> Yes, yes you are dmcglone
[01:47] <dmcglone> hehehe
[01:47] <Derath-Srvr> Sup all
[01:47] <BiosElement> dmcglone: I'm not however: http://cubecreate.com/
[01:47] <dmcglone> sup Derath-Srvr
[01:47] <Unit193> Hello Derath-Srvr !!
[01:48] <Derath-Srvr> Not much, was just popping in to see if Jacob was active, since he just sent out an email...
[01:49] <dmcglone> yeah, I just sent one of my own :-/
[01:49] <BiosElement> Jacob sucks, he needs to be around here more often. Without him I don't have anyone to rant with ;)
[01:49]  * Unit193 can't wait 'til the 28th
[01:49] <Derath-Srvr> 28th?
[01:50] <Derath-Srvr> what's happening then?
[01:50] <Unit193> Xubuntu 11.04!!
[01:52] <Derath-Srvr> ah...
[01:52] <BiosElement> And Ubuntu 11.04 with Unity!!
[01:52]  * BiosElement sighs
[01:57] <Unit193> BiosElement: You do use Ubuntu?
[01:57] <BiosElement> Not usually, but since kubuntu's shot at the moment, yes.
[01:57] <dmcglone> BiosElement: ditch that unity!!!
[01:58] <BiosElement> Blah, I wish
[01:58] <BiosElement> As an ubuntu loco member, I feel it's mandatory for me to at least give it a shot
[02:01] <dmcglone> Good luck. The only shot I gave it was from my 12 guage
[02:01] <Unit193> dmcglone: Did you even use it at all?
[02:01] <dmcglone> yup 1 hour that I'll sadly never get back!!
[02:02] <dmcglone> although I feel bad for that 20" plasma with the shotgun hole in it ;-)
[02:03] <Unit193> dmcglone: What do you use/plan to use?
[02:03] <dmcglone> Unit193: after an hour of tinkering only to find out you cannot customize the desktop, I dumped it
[02:04] <dmcglone> I'm using Gnome on my desktop and both my netbooks
[02:05] <dmcglone> Gnome has it drawbacks, but nothing as bad as KDE
[02:05] <Unit193> dmcglone: So Ubuntu just -Unity +Gnome
[02:05] <BiosElement> aka Debian
[02:06] <Unit193> dmcglone: Did you try L/X?
[02:06] <gilbert> hey guys, did anyone end up reserving the room at the columbus library for april 30th?
[02:07] <dmcglone> yup Unit193
[02:07] <dmcglone> gilbert not yet just spoke to Jacob about that
[02:08] <gilbert> dmcglone: was he here?
[02:08] <dmcglone> No we e-mailed
[02:08] <gilbert> ok
[02:08] <gilbert> do you still have the link to the reservation page?
[02:08] <dmcglone> we are going to discuss it at the meeting next week
[02:08] <dmcglone> yes let me find it
[02:09] <gilbert> we should probably make the reservation asap
[02:09] <dmcglone> true, but we need to iron out some details :-/
[02:10] <gilbert> i think room first, details later
[02:11] <dmcglone> http://meeting-rooms.columbuslibrary.org/evanced/lib/roomrequest.asp?libnum=9
[02:11] <gilbert> dmcglone: thanks!
[02:11] <dmcglone> it says in the rules that someone has to be there at all times that the room is reserved
[02:12] <gilbert> hmm, does not look good for that weekend now...
[02:13] <dmcglone> it was already taken the first time we checked, we had to move the day. that was one of the things I talked about a few months ago
[02:14] <dmcglone> we tried to get it on release day IIRC but had to start thinking of an alternative
[02:15] <gilbert> release is before the 30th
[02:15] <gilbert> isn't it?
[02:15] <dmcglone> but I couldn't get any info
[02:15] <Derath-Srvr> Gilbert! Hey
[02:15] <dmcglone> I think it's the 28th
[02:15] <gilbert> Derath-Srvr: greetz :)
[02:16] <Derath-Srvr> One of the people I wanted to talk to hehe
[02:16] <dmcglone> Cheri703: had some good suggestions, but things just weren't falling through
[02:16] <gilbert> what's up?
[02:16] <Derath-Srvr> Mind if I msg?
[02:16] <gilbert> go ahead
[02:17] <gilbert> so sun may 1st is open, not sure if sun will be worse than sat tho
[02:18] <Derath-Srvr> I can be there, but it will be after 1pm before I can arrive... (teaching class until noon in Dayton)
[02:18] <dmcglone> Sunday would work for me
[02:18] <Derath-Srvr> Err on Sat that is...
[02:19] <dmcglone> but be aware if you get it for a whole lot of hours, we need to find people to be there during the hours the meeting isn't taking place :-/
[02:20] <BiosElement> I suppose I could cover and read a book for a few hours if that'd help
[02:21] <dmcglone> I could pitch in a couple hours myself
[02:22] <Derath-Srvr> If someone makes a food run, I won't mind sitting around...
[02:22] <BiosElement> Can someone make a wiki page to figure things out?
[02:22] <Derath-Srvr> Depending on whether sat or sun, sat is afternoon, sun is most of the day
[02:25] <dmcglone> well if we can get all the details covered, I wouldn't have a problem reserving the room ASAP
[02:26] <BiosElement> (As a side notw, I love the humble bundle's new url's "cdn.com/humblebundle.com/each-download-costs-us-money---please-be-responsible/"
[02:26] <Derath-Srvr> Guess I need to start nudging carl again, or is it too early for that lol
[02:26] <BiosElement> Figure out what day
[02:26] <BiosElement> As soon as that's done, reg the bloody room, we'll use it regardless I'm sure
[02:27] <dmcglone> I agree
[02:29] <Derath-Srvr> agreed
[02:29] <dmcglone> Hey!!! you know what I know of another place that we might be able to hold the meeting. it's over by the library. Hang on!!!
[02:30] <Derath-Srvr> AS long as there's free parking nearby lol
[02:34] <Derath-Srvr> gotta go... laters all
[02:34] <dmcglone> it's the Downtown technology center on Town St. I just looked it up, there is free parking, but the conference rooms aren't free. I just tried to get a price, but the site requires asking for prices
[02:35] <Unit193> Have a nice one Derath-Srvr
[02:35] <dmcglone> later Derath-Srvr
[02:35] <dmcglone> so thats out the window
[02:35] <Cheri703> gilbert: 9Pm to 11Pm?
[02:36] <dmcglone> we very well could find a sponsor :-)
[02:36] <gilbert> Cheri703: yeah, not really ideal
[02:36]  * Cheri703 didn't think the libraries were open that late
[02:37] <dmcglone> library closes at 6pm :-/
[02:37] <gilbert> Cheri703: it appears to be the case
[02:37] <gilbert> at least for dublin library
[02:37] <Cheri703> weird
[02:38] <dmcglone> I will be over at the technology center tomorrow evening I'll ask around about their conference room
[04:40] <Unit193> BiosElement: Going to change the default WP theme?
[04:40] <BiosElement> Yes
[04:53] <dmcglone> g'night all
[05:54] <SkrappJaw> any one here?
[05:56] <Unit193> SkrappJaw: Nope
[05:57]  * Cheri703 is lurking
[05:57] <SkrappJaw> word
[05:57] <SkrappJaw> Hey andy
[05:58] <Guest3824> hello
[05:59] <Skrapp_Jaw> are you on facebook Cheri?
[05:59] <Cheri703> yep
[05:59] <Cheri703> cheri703
[06:00] <Cheri703> know anyone who wants/needs to pay someone to do computery things? /me needs clients/money!
[06:00] <Skrapp_Jaw> cool. I can't friend request?
[06:00] <Skrapp_Jaw> Probably. Katie ended up with a client when she brought some cards to my last gig.
[06:01] <Cheri703> nice, does she do computer stuff too?
[06:02] <Skrapp_Jaw> Just for her digital media classes.
[06:02] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[06:03] <Skrapp_Jaw> but she has to use photoshop and one CS2 works well in wine.
[06:03]  * Cheri703 needs to go get more cards printed. it's on the list for this week
[06:03] <Skrapp_Jaw> I should have some coming soon.
[06:04] <Skrapp_Jaw> need to like the Mansfield ubuntu hour page. :P
[06:05] <Cheri703> heh
[06:05] <Cheri703> I may. I don't generally "like" stuff on fb...
[06:05] <Cheri703> I am vaguely contemplating making a fb page for my business, but it feel like selling my soul
[06:06]  * Cheri703 has a vaguely tolerate / hate relationship with fb
[06:06] <Skrapp_Jaw> lol.
[06:06] <Unit193> I just hate it...
[06:06]  * Skrapp_Jaw is also in that with androids.
[06:06] <Unit193> I have thought about using it again....
[06:06] <Skrapp_Jaw> They rock, but it'g google.
[06:06] <Skrapp_Jaw> it's*
[06:07] <Unit193> It's linux...
[06:07] <Skrapp_Jaw> It's a vanilla kernel with a java display manager right?
[06:07]  * Unit193 never used it
[06:08] <Cheri703> I heart android
[06:08] <Cheri703> better than apple!
[06:08] <Skrapp_Jaw> Also, Verizon is gonna start tracking all users who have root level access to their phones.
[06:08] <Unit193> I would love to have one
[06:09] <Cheri703> well, that's just verizon being ridiculous
[06:09] <Skrapp_Jaw> I think it's gonna be or may already be followed with some kind of anti-piracy fight propaganda.
[06:09] <Skrapp_Jaw> Like sony's
[06:09] <Skrapp_Jaw> With jail breakers.
[06:09]  * Cheri703 is firmly in the "I purchased my hardware, I can do whatever the heck I want with it, I am paying you for SERVICE, NOT anything else"
[06:10] <Cheri703> also, I heart sprint :)
[06:10]  * Skrapp_Jaw is on sprint
[06:10]  * Skrapp_Jaw also needs to get off the blackberry train.
[06:11] <Skrapp_Jaw> my curve is on the down-slope now. lol
[06:14] <Cheri703> heh, yeah, I'm definitely ready for an upgrade, unfortunately not coming anytime soon
[06:49] <Unit193> Hello pacco
[13:43]  * Derath-Srvr yawns
[15:56] <thafreak> AHHHHHHH
[15:57] <thafreak> My wife just read me an article
[15:57] <thafreak> M$ bought nokia and is phasing out meego
[15:57] <thafreak> WTF!!!!
[15:57] <Derath-Srvr> big freaking surprise there...
[15:57] <thafreak> What does that mean for KDE though...
[15:57] <Derath-Srvr> Only open-source project they can outright buy and get off the market...
[15:57] <thafreak> qt when all gpl didn't it?
[15:58] <Derath-Srvr> not to mention that they need something to improve their new phone os...
[15:58] <thafreak> nope, nokia is switching to all windows phone 7 the article said
[15:58] <thafreak> doubt they're going to use anything from qt/meego in windows phone 7 or 8 or whatever
[15:58] <Derath-Srvr> yeah, but ms is still getting the code bsae...
[15:59] <Derath-Srvr> the next win phone may be based of meego (just like OS X using freebsd)
[15:59] <thafreak> well...was qt gpl'd? It was dual licensed right?
[15:59] <thafreak> Might need to fork the codebase...:)
[16:01] <Derath-Srvr> can't remember qt's status atm...
[16:01] <Derath-Srvr> and can't check either
[16:03] <Derath-Srvr> Also, are you sure the article isn't from TheOnion or something? lol
[16:04] <Derath-Srvr> Also looks like it's not a buy-out... it's a cooperative strategy...
[16:04] <Derath-Srvr> working together much like toyota and chevy to make the geo line of cars
[16:05] <Derath-Srvr> Not to mention, who needs meegos when you can root an android?
[16:08] <Derath-Srvr> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/11/microsoft-and-nokia-team-up-to-fight-apple-and-android/
[16:23] <deejoe> Derath-Srvr: they've already bested Mozilla, apparently https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649408
[16:23] <deejoe> who will be first with native CSS3 support?!
[16:24]  * deejoe snerks
[16:58] <thafreak> Sounds like intel is picking up the slack for meego: http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel
[17:00] <thafreak> Ok, so the announcement seems to really only affect meego...
[17:03] <thafreak> So, quick poll...
[17:03] <thafreak> I'm setting up my new vm host...
[17:04] <thafreak> decided to go with KVM on this one, as my old one is xen...and I've been using kvm at work pretty successfully
[17:04]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[17:04] <thafreak> now the question is...go with debian squeeze...
[17:04] <Derath-Srvr> been using hardware kvm myself lol
[17:04] <thafreak> or natty, so that I can hopefully migrate to 12.04 eventually
[17:05] <Derath-Srvr> Hmm... so you're looking at a vm server?
[17:05] <thafreak> seems natty will have qemu 0.14...which has spice support
[17:05] <thafreak> squeeze and everyone else (lucid, maverick, etc) all only have 0.12.5
[17:06] <thafreak> So, try for the bleeding edge, or just stick with what's stable?
[17:06] <Derath-Srvr> Again, you're looking at a server that is running vms?
[17:09] <thafreak> yep
[17:09] <thafreak> I really want to be able to test spice
[17:10] <thafreak> since some of these vms will be remote desktops
[17:10] <thafreak> but, at the same time, I prefer a more stable host os...
[17:10] <Derath-Srvr> Well, since you're looking for a more stable environ... I'd probably go with deb's stable build rather than natty... but that's just me...
[17:10] <thafreak> who knows...spice may not be all that great anyway
[17:11] <Derath-Srvr> you can always get qemu 14 packages and install/build them anyways
[17:11] <thafreak> yeah...maybe it'll get backported...
[17:11] <thafreak> I could probably put it in an alt location too...
[17:12] <thafreak> it just wouldn't hook to libvirt then...but just for testing it wouldn't be bad
[17:13] <thafreak> Have I said recently that I *LOVE* the fact that you can run the debian installer over a serial port!
[17:14]  * Derath-Srvr shrugs
[17:14] <Derath-Srvr> Cool, thanksfully never have had to do that
[17:17] <thafreak> you can also run the installer over ssh...
[17:17] <thafreak> makes remote work easier
[17:17] <Oda> thafreak: do motherboards even come with serial ports anymore?
[17:17] <thafreak> they seem to have a spot to plug one in still
[17:18] <thafreak> you can buy a bracket and cable online...
[17:18] <thafreak> I had one in my basement luckily
[17:18] <thafreak> need to buy a few more though.
[17:18] <Oda> never had to use one in 6 years of messing around with PCs
[17:20] <Derath-Srvr> haven't used one since the old dos days where that was the only way to plug in a mouse...
[17:20] <Derath-Srvr> well, and keyboards were AT connectors as well lol
[17:20] <Oda> oh lawd
[17:22] <Oda> lkfa;daf ports for skype are blocked
[17:37] <thafreak> So, I usually do 1-2x ram size for swap...
[17:37] <thafreak> but what do you do when you have 16gb of ram? :)
[17:38] <Derath-Srvr> hmm....
[17:38] <Derath-Srvr> Again, depends on need... for vms I would probably go with about 4-8G...
[17:38] <Derath-Srvr> if it were a large db server, I'd probably go with 16-32g...
[19:49] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: ...what about a VM server full of DB servers? :)
[19:54] <Derath-Srvr> yuck...
[19:54] <Derath-Srvr> Unless you have a MASSIVE system, would not even attempt it...
[19:55] <Derath-Srvr> a rack full of blades clustered would work for that
[21:01]  * Unit193 hands Oda a desktop IRC client
[21:01] <Unit193> :D
[21:01] <dmcglone> :-)
[21:02] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone
[21:02] <dmcglone> Hiya Unit193
[21:08]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[21:08] <Unit193> Eh?
[21:08] <Derath-Srvr> 16:01  * Unit193 hands Oda a desktop IRC client
[21:09] <Unit193> What one are you using?
[21:09] <Derath-Srvr> irssi lol
[21:10] <Derath-Srvr> Not exactly the easiest client, but for screen support, it's great
[21:10]  * Unit193 uses it too
[21:10] <Unit193> Just my theme differs
[21:12] <Derath-Srvr> And just how do you know what theme I'm using? O.o
[21:14] <Unit193> Your paste of what I said
[21:14] <Derath-Srvr> True, I think there are a few characters that didn't translate well though...
[21:17] <dmcglone> BiosElement: wake up
[21:40] <Billy_Mays88> paultag: are you on the ball?
[21:41] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[21:41] <Derath-Srvr> Guess it would depend on which ball
[21:41] <Billy_Mays88> get on the ball!
[21:41] <Unit193> :x
[21:42] <Billy_Mays88> FOR ONLY 19.99
[21:42] <dmcglone> I hear him chuckling and cackling over his latest invention
[21:42] <dmcglone> :-/
[21:45] <Unit193> dmcglone: I think BiosElement is still sleeping...
[21:45] <dmcglone> I'm on my way over to his house to get his butt up! ;-)
[21:55] <Derath-Srvr> time to make the long trip home... laters
[22:14] <Unit193> I hate art...
[22:16] <Oda> Unit193: art is cool mayne
[22:38] <thafreak> I ate art
[22:38] <thafreak> also
[22:38] <thafreak> ice sculptures are "cool"